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(io9)   Marvel arranges a private screening of Guardians of the Galaxy for Rocket Raccoon creator Bill Mantlo, who has been suffering the effects of a brain injury since 1992   (io9.com) divider line 32
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2014-08-04 01:02:06 PM  
I really liked GotG, though I admit I was hoping to like it a little bit more. Still, very good. I was very impressed how they managed to pull off that one scene of Rocket which was actually emotional. Comes out of nowhere but totally works.
 
2014-08-04 02:29:32 PM  
Sad story.

Also, I can't think of a more "early '90s" way of getting injured than being hit with a car while rollerblading.
 
2014-08-04 02:33:10 PM  

DamnYankees: I really liked GotG, though I admit I was hoping to like it a little bit more. Still, very good. I was very impressed how they managed to pull off that one scene of Rocket which was actually emotional. Comes out of nowhere but totally works.


I had the same reaction.  I enjoyed it a lot, but it leaned too heavily on the McGuffin, and they too frequently broke up the flow of scenes with "witty banter" that just didn't always land.
 
2014-08-04 02:36:58 PM  
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2014-08-04 02:41:49 PM  
I feel shiatty I never knew what happened to him.  One of my all time favorite comics writers.  He always seemed to be able to connect you more to the characters than most could.
 
2014-08-04 02:46:37 PM  
Wonder if they'll help him out with his medical bills.
 
2014-08-04 02:49:25 PM  

illegal.tender: Wonder if they'll help him out with his medical bills.


Here's a link to an article that has some great information about that in it.
 
2014-08-04 02:58:28 PM  

shut_it_down: DamnYankees: I really liked GotG, though I admit I was hoping to like it a little bit more. Still, very good. I was very impressed how they managed to pull off that one scene of Rocket which was actually emotional. Comes out of nowhere but totally works.

I had the same reaction.  I enjoyed it a lot, but it leaned too heavily on the McGuffin, and they too frequently broke up the flow of scenes with "witty banter" that just didn't always land.


For me, it was the re-vamp of Yondu. Michael Rooker is a favorite actor of mine, and he did as best with the character as he could with the script. But turning a spiritual character, the moral center of the original Guardians, someone that communes with nature and has an empathic connection to the natural world, into a grubby mercenary scavenger... Just was really a sour note for me in an otherwise great film.

However, the yaka arrow scenes were fantastic.
 
2014-08-04 03:05:30 PM  
I hate sci-fi and and I hate comic book movies but I really enjoyed this movie.  The cheesy parts were easily overlooked imo.
 
2014-08-04 03:09:12 PM  
There were a couple of scenes that fell a little flat for me, but all in all it was an excellent film. And my wife enjoyed it, which is a win for me.
 
2014-08-04 03:16:14 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: shut_it_down: DamnYankees: I really liked GotG, though I admit I was hoping to like it a little bit more. Still, very good. I was very impressed how they managed to pull off that one scene of Rocket which was actually emotional. Comes out of nowhere but totally works.

I had the same reaction.  I enjoyed it a lot, but it leaned too heavily on the McGuffin, and they too frequently broke up the flow of scenes with "witty banter" that just didn't always land.

For me, it was the re-vamp of Yondu. Michael Rooker is a favorite actor of mine, and he did as best with the character as he could with the script. But turning a spiritual character, the moral center of the original Guardians, someone that communes with nature and has an empathic connection to the natural world, into a grubby mercenary scavenger... Just was really a sour note for me in an otherwise great film.

However, the yaka arrow scenes were fantastic.


I admit, this version of Yondu was a bit of a shock, but you just have to remember this is the MCU, not the 616. The characters fall somewhere between the 616 and Ultimate versions, and Yondu... well... He seems to leaning toward what an Ultimate Universe Yondu would have been like if we'd ever seen him.

This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker was never bitten by a radioactive spider, where mutants never evolved, where Ant Man and The Wasp were not original Avengers, and where Hank Pym apparently didn't invent Ultron. I can accept changes like this because it is specifically described as a different universe, and it leaves a few surprises in there for us long-time Marvel zombies who know the other universe(s) inside and out.
 
2014-08-04 03:37:30 PM  

untaken_name: illegal.tender: Wonder if they'll help him out with his medical bills.

Here's a link to an article that has some great information about that in it.


Ahh, sorry, I have to admit I didn't read that far down. To answer my own question, and from TFA:

"And, unbeknownst toALL,Marvel has made incredibly generous gestures apart from this particular contract (which ONLY pertains to the rights to the character Rocket Raccoon) to assist in Bill's ongoing care & rehabilitation."

So that's cool.
 
2014-08-04 03:50:25 PM  
How I imagine he felt given his condition...

media4.s-nbcnews.com
 
2014-08-04 03:58:46 PM  
BAAAM! MURDERED YOU!
 
2014-08-04 04:12:06 PM  
just got back from see it.
Fun Movie.
 
2014-08-04 04:21:08 PM  
The movie was great when it was being its own movie and terrible when it was being a Marvel universe movie.  I don't think there was a single 'let's throw in some world-building' moment where the flow of the story wasn't broken in an annoying and unnecessary way.  But the in-story jokes were pretty awesome, I laughed for like five minutes at "STARLORD" "Finally" even though I saw it coming.

The fact that Bautista can apparently actually act was confusing and awesome, too.  Good times.

WilderKWight: where Hank Pym apparently didn't invent Ultron.


In fairness, given where they've been going with Jarvis adding a second mad scientist with a second overbearing, protective AI hooked into a second set of networked humanoid robot suits with laser beams would feel kind of... redundant, at best.  And making everything Stark's fault  again is actually pretty funny.
 
2014-08-04 04:43:03 PM  

WilderKWight: RoyFokker'sGhost: shut_it_down: DamnYankees: I really liked GotG, though I admit I was hoping to like it a little bit more. Still, very good. I was very impressed how they managed to pull off that one scene of Rocket which was actually emotional. Comes out of nowhere but totally works.

I had the same reaction.  I enjoyed it a lot, but it leaned too heavily on the McGuffin, and they too frequently broke up the flow of scenes with "witty banter" that just didn't always land.

For me, it was the re-vamp of Yondu. Michael Rooker is a favorite actor of mine, and he did as best with the character as he could with the script. But turning a spiritual character, the moral center of the original Guardians, someone that communes with nature and has an empathic connection to the natural world, into a grubby mercenary scavenger... Just was really a sour note for me in an otherwise great film.

However, the yaka arrow scenes were fantastic.

I admit, this version of Yondu was a bit of a shock, but you just have to remember this is the MCU, not the 616. The characters fall somewhere between the 616 and Ultimate versions, and Yondu... well... He seems to leaning toward what an Ultimate Universe Yondu would have been like if we'd ever seen him.

This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker was never bitten by a radioactive spider, where mutants never evolved, where Ant Man and The Wasp were not original Avengers, and where Hank Pym apparently didn't invent Ultron. I can accept changes like this because it is specifically described as a different universe, and it leaves a few surprises in there for us long-time Marvel zombies who know the other universe(s) inside and out.


This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker and mutants don't exist. That crap Sony and Fox are peddling happens in its own seperate worlds.

Cool on them to let Rocket's creator see his character realized on the big screen. Double for doing it proper enough justice that he enjoyed it.
 
2014-08-04 05:03:17 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: shut_it_down: DamnYankees: I really liked GotG, though I admit I was hoping to like it a little bit more. Still, very good. I was very impressed how they managed to pull off that one scene of Rocket which was actually emotional. Comes out of nowhere but totally works.

I had the same reaction.  I enjoyed it a lot, but it leaned too heavily on the McGuffin, and they too frequently broke up the flow of scenes with "witty banter" that just didn't always land.

For me, it was the re-vamp of Yondu. Michael Rooker is a favorite actor of mine, and he did as best with the character as he could with the script. But turning a spiritual character, the moral center of the original Guardians, someone that communes with nature and has an empathic connection to the natural world, into a grubby mercenary scavenger... Just was really a sour note for me in an otherwise great film.

However, the yaka arrow scenes were fantastic.


Yondu and Peter had a bit of a Dread Pirate Roberts / Wesley vibe to them.
 
2014-08-04 06:13:18 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The movie was great when it was being its own movie and terrible when it was being a Marvel universe movie


What the fark does this even mean?  I saw it Sunday, and thought it was a great movie, and didn't see anything tying it back into the overarching MCU that just jumped out and stamped its feet like a 3 year old.
 
2014-08-04 06:48:19 PM  

kroonermanblack: Jim_Callahan: The movie was great when it was being its own movie and terrible when it was being a Marvel universe movie

What the fark does this even mean?  I saw it Sunday, and thought it was a great movie, and didn't see anything tying it back into the overarching MCU that just jumped out and stamped its feet like a 3 year old.


I could see someone watching the exposition with The Collector and feeling like they were being all "HEY THAT THING FROM THE AVENGERS IS TOTALLY IMPORTANT". I didn't take it as being quite that intrusive even if it was a pretty obvious bit of "see, this movie totally matters in relation to the others".
 
2014-08-04 06:53:56 PM  

JayCab: kroonermanblack: Jim_Callahan: The movie was great when it was being its own movie and terrible when it was being a Marvel universe movie

What the fark does this even mean?  I saw it Sunday, and thought it was a great movie, and didn't see anything tying it back into the overarching MCU that just jumped out and stamped its feet like a 3 year old.

I could see someone watching the exposition with The Collector and feeling like they were being all "HEY THAT THING FROM THE AVENGERS IS TOTALLY IMPORTANT". I didn't take it as being quite that intrusive even if it was a pretty obvious bit of "see, this movie totally matters in relation to the others".


In my mind, they made up for it by having the group as a whole not give two shiats about the exposition when it was told.

Rocket: Yeah yeah, blah blah blah, spooky ancient powers. Let's talk about our reward, jackhole!
 
2014-08-04 08:03:47 PM  

CyberKultist: This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker and mutants don't exist. That crap Sony and Fox are peddling happens in its own seperate worlds.


That is the gist of what I was saying, yes.

I just choose to believe that Peter Parker DOES exist in the MCU, but he's just some kid going to Midtown High School or NYU at this point. He never got bit, never got powers, and his Uncle never died. On the positive side, he's dating (and will probably marry) Gwen, who didn't die, because Norman Osborn never became anything important in the MCU, and therefore never pitched her off a bridge. I like to think OsCorp was bought out in its early days by Stark Industries, and Norman retired to Pago-Pago where he died in a tragic fishing boat accident.

Also, Captain Stacy is totally alive in the MCU, and Kurt Conners was never born. Otto Octavius died when he was a teenager after he flipped out and tried to kill his overbearing mother, and was subsequently shot by police. Adrian Toomes did try to fly with his Vulture suit, but it was a failure (courtesy of being sabotaged by a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent) and he therefore plummeted to his death after leaping off the Empire State Building in 1998.

Max Dillon never amounted to anything and rotted away in prison, as did many of the MCU Spidey's rogues' gallery (Boomerang, Ringer, Kangaroo, Hydro-Man, The Spot, Rhino, etc.)

Mysterio never became a villain because he had a very successful career in Hollywood. Kraven died in Africa when he hunted too close to Wakanda. Morlun was dispatched by Doctor Strange's master, the Ancient One, 80 years ago. Chameleon was spotted by S.H.I.E.L.D. agents on a spy mission and killed in action.

J. Jonah Jameson went bankrupt when he bought out a print newspaper in the early 90s (The Bugle, of course) and was too rigid to update and diversify, staunchly sticking to his idea that print newspapers would make a comeback. Because of this (and the lack of Spider-Man), The Scorpion was never created and Gargan ended up dying in a bar fight in Hell's Kitchen.

The Jackal/Prof. Warren was arrested, tried, and convicted for illegal cloning experiments. He is in a white collar prison in upstate New York.

White Rabbit was never born. Neither was Frog-Man, Stilt-Man, or Man-Bull.

Venom never happened because there was never any "Secret Wars", and no stupid meteor fell to Earth and latched on to anyone (the movie/TV origin is so damned lame, by the way).

The Shocker made a fortune in the ladies' self-pleasure accessories business. He currently has a mansion right down the road from Tony Stark's old place. Strangely enough, he's the only one who actually used the same "code name" as his 616 counterpart with any success.
 
2014-08-04 08:05:11 PM  

WilderKWight: Max Dillon never amounted to anything and rotted away in prison, as did many of the MCU Spidey's rogues' gallery (Boomerang, Ringer, Kangaroo, Hydro-Man, The Spot, Rhino, etc.)


I should clarify that they never became super-villains, and instead rotted in prison under their actual names, after committing mundane crimes.
 
2014-08-04 09:38:03 PM  

WilderKWight: I just choose to believe that...


I ask again, why does it matter?

The stories, as presented so far, have nothing to do with them. Making up this long rambling 'and here's how the alternate timeline plays out' fantasy is....kinda boring. As adults, we know the characters are owned by different companies who will not allow cross pollination.

And...that's sufficient. We don't need reasons why character X is living Y because he hasn't been presented to exist or not exist in the movie. And won't ever be. So they could simply be following the normal, regular, marvel universe in completely separate tracks which will never interlock but play out the same as regular.  And that's just exactly as likely as your story.  Sure, we'll never see a crossover, but that doesn't disprove anything.
 
2014-08-04 10:45:08 PM  

WilderKWight: CyberKultist: This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker and mutants don't exist. That crap Sony and Fox are peddling happens in its own seperate worlds.

That is the gist of what I was saying, yes.

I just choose to believe that Peter Parker DOES exist in the MCU, but he's just some kid going to Midtown High School or NYU at this point. He never got bit, never got powers, and his Uncle never died. On the positive side, he's dating (and will probably marry) Gwen, who didn't die, because Norman Osborn never became anything important in the MCU, and therefore never pitched her off a bridge. I like to think OsCorp was bought out in its early days by Stark Industries, and Norman retired to Pago-Pago where he died in a tragic fishing boat accident.

Also, Captain Stacy is totally alive in the MCU, and Kurt Conners was never born. Otto Octavius died when he was a teenager after he flipped out and tried to kill his overbearing mother, and was subsequently shot by police. Adrian Toomes did try to fly with his Vulture suit, but it was a failure (courtesy of being sabotaged by a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent) and he therefore plummeted to his death after leaping off the Empire State Building in 1998.

Max Dillon never amounted to anything and rotted away in prison, as did many of the MCU Spidey's rogues' gallery (Boomerang, Ringer, Kangaroo, Hydro-Man, The Spot, Rhino, etc.)

Mysterio never became a villain because he had a very successful career in Hollywood. Kraven died in Africa when he hunted too close to Wakanda. Morlun was dispatched by Doctor Strange's master, the Ancient One, 80 years ago. Chameleon was spotted by S.H.I.E.L.D. agents on a spy mission and killed in action.

J. Jonah Jameson went bankrupt when he bought out a print newspaper in the early 90s (The Bugle, of course) and was too rigid to update and diversify, staunchly sticking to his idea that print newspapers would make a comeback. Because of this (and the lack of Spider-Man), The Scorpion was never created and Gargan ended up dying in a bar fight in Hell's Kitchen.

The Jackal/Prof. Warren was arrested, tried, and convicted for illegal cloning experiments. He is in a white collar prison in upstate New York.

White Rabbit was never born. Neither was Frog-Man, Stilt-Man, or Man-Bull.

Venom never happened because there was never any "Secret Wars", and no stupid meteor fell to Earth and latched on to anyone (the movie/TV origin is so damned lame, by the way).

The Shocker made a fortune in the ladies' self-pleasure accessories business. He currently has a mansion right down the road from Tony Stark's old place. Strangely enough, he's the only one who actually used the same "code name" as his 616 counterpart with any success.


I wonder if Ultimate was in some way a dry run for how to build a new universe for the jump to film. Sure, it was its own project and they had fun with it, but I bet you a year of TF that Quesada or someone was consciously taking notes of what aspects of 616 were absolutely vital and which they could play with in the eventual movies. By wildly overshooting bounds of what fanboys or new readers would accept in the Ultimate Universe, they even make the movie universe look more realistic to those all important critics, the fanboys (ie, us) who have seen a bad version of this done once before (twice if you're a 2099 nut like me).

/those clever bastards
//you, I like the cut of your jib
 
2014-08-05 03:22:26 AM  

WilderKWight: CyberKultist: This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker and mutants don't exist. That crap Sony and Fox are peddling happens in its own seperate worlds.

That is the gist of what I was saying, yes.

I just choose to believe that Peter Parker DOES exist in the MCU, but he's just some kid going to Midtown High School or NYU at this point. He never got bit, never got powers, and his Uncle never died. On the positive side, he's dating (and will probably marry) Gwen, who didn't die, because Norman Osborn never became anything important in the MCU, and therefore never pitched her off a bridge. I like to think OsCorp was bought out in its early days by Stark Industries, and Norman retired to Pago-Pago where he died in a tragic fishing boat accident.

Also, Captain Stacy is totally alive in the MCU, and Kurt Conners was never born. Otto Octavius died when he was a teenager after he flipped out and tried to kill his overbearing mother, and was subsequently shot by police. Adrian Toomes did try to fly with his Vulture suit, but it was a failure (courtesy of being sabotaged by a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent) and he therefore plummeted to his death after leaping off the Empire State Building in 1998.

Max Dillon never amounted to anything and rotted away in prison, as did many of the MCU Spidey's rogues' gallery (Boomerang, Ringer, Kangaroo, Hydro-Man, The Spot, Rhino, etc.)

Mysterio never became a villain because he had a very successful career in Hollywood. Kraven died in Africa when he hunted too close to Wakanda. Morlun was dispatched by Doctor Strange's master, the Ancient One, 80 years ago. Chameleon was spotted by S.H.I.E.L.D. agents on a spy mission and killed in action.

J. Jonah Jameson went bankrupt when he bought out a print newspaper in the early 90s (The Bugle, of course) and was too rigid to update and diversify, staunchly sticking to his idea that print newspapers would make a comeback. Because of this (and the lack of Spider-Man), The Scorpion was never created and G ...


What about Razorback?
www.popcrunch.com

Or US 1?
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or Doctor Bong?

i.annihil.us
 
2014-08-05 04:54:42 AM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey:

What about... Doctor Bong?

He's a Howard the Duck villain. He could show up at any point.
 
2014-08-05 05:21:53 AM  
Did they try to show him Return Of The Guardians three times before they got it right, for the full cinema experience?
 
2014-08-05 05:47:21 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: or Doctor Bong?

img.fark.net

He's a wanted criminal in 48 states, but can still practice medicine in 22 of those.

/heh
 
2014-08-05 10:47:37 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: What about Razorback?

Or US 1?

or Doctor Bong?


Razorback -- Currently playing linebacker for the Miami Dolphins.

US 1 -- Got AIDS. Died in a truck stop motel with the remaining members of Team America.

Doctor Bong -- I think Quaiwolf covered that one nicely.
 
2014-08-05 10:48:13 AM  
(That's Team America, aka The Thunderiders.)
 
2014-08-05 05:27:09 PM  

WilderKWight: CyberKultist: This is a Marvel Universe where Peter Parker and mutants don't exist. That crap Sony and Fox are peddling happens in its own seperate worlds.

That is the gist of what I was saying, yes.

I just choose to believe that Peter Parker DOES exist in the MCU, but he's just some kid going to Midtown High School or NYU at this point. He never got bit, never got powers, and his Uncle never died. On the positive side, he's dating (and will probably marry) Gwen, who didn't die, because Norman Osborn never became anything important in the MCU, and therefore never pitched her off a bridge. I like to think OsCorp was bought out in its early days by Stark Industries, and Norman retired to Pago-Pago where he died in a tragic fishing boat accident. [...]


I like your thinking. Newsletter, subscription, etc.
 
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