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(Orlando Sentinel)   Parents have no issue with sending their children to a school that received an "F" rating, but tell them they may have to get uniforms for their underachieving students and suddenly they give a damn   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 46
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2014-08-04 12:05:50 AM  
16 votes:
FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.
2014-08-04 01:27:46 AM  
5 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.



In California, schools provide all school supplies, including pencils and paper.  Not so in Georgia, apparently (as we found out).

Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies.  It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.
2014-08-04 12:51:16 AM  
5 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.


If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.
2014-08-04 01:39:20 AM  
4 votes:
CSB:

When I was in sixth grade my family moved from the Tampa Bay area to Silicon Valley.

I am not an idiot by any means, but I was almost a year behind in math based on florida vs. California standards. I had to do a shiat ton of extra work to not be held back. The last thing florida needs to be worrying about is uniforms.
2014-08-04 02:07:26 AM  
3 votes:

jst3p: That kid you are buying supplies for, he or his classmate will one day be deciding whether or not you can still carry on a life worth living if you have XXX surgery. Let's provide funds for his education.


We're not buying supplies for kids whose parents' are poor.  We're buying consumable supplies for the school to use.  Things that the school should already have.

Cut the goddamn military budget, stop giving tax breaks to corporations intent on farking us over, and farking fund the educational system again.

Asshole Republicans want to biatch about their tax money going to schools?  Well this is what you get when that gets cut, you morons.  You now get to pay more money out of pocket directly to the school just so they can afford toilet paper so your kid can wipe his ass.
2014-08-04 01:45:38 AM  
3 votes:

jst3p: CSB:

When I was in sixth grade my family moved from the Tampa Bay area to Silicon Valley.

I am not an idiot by any means, but I was almost a year behind in math based on florida vs. California standards. I had to do a shiat ton of extra work to not be held back. The last thing florida needs to be worrying about is uniforms.


Different states, school districts, and even schools often teach things in different orders.  In my high school the social studies curriculum was 9th grade - US History, 10th - Civics and Economics, and 11th - World History.  Other districts did things in a different order, so sometimes kids transferring in would be put into classes with different grade levels to bring things back in sync.

That's one of the big reasons behind the push towards Common Core - to standardize the order in which things are taught nationwide so that comparisons between states can be made more easily, and so that students who transfer between schools, districts, and states, will have an easier time picking up where the left off.
2014-08-04 01:38:02 AM  
3 votes:

FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.


X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.
2014-08-03 11:27:00 PM  
3 votes:
I'll buy the ones that can't afford uniforms two sets if they promise to STFU.
2014-08-04 09:50:53 AM  
2 votes:
I'm totally against school uniforms. We have to wear business clothes when we're adults. School is the only time when we were allowed to express ourselves in any way, and discover who we are through that expression. YES, that is important to an adolescent.

Anyone who says it cuts down on bullying is dreaming. The preppies still cling together like the airy lint they are. The stoners still find each other. The nerds still look nerdy. The alternative types still band together. And all cliques still fire shots at each other and find reasons to have their tribal battles. It's human nature.

I'm grateful that I was able to spend my time in school being myself, instead of being put into a little box designed by the administration. Sticking me in a uniform would only have been a distraction as I found ways to get around the uniform code.

We aren't paying kids to be in school. They aren't soldiers or office workers; They're students who should be encouraged to be individuals, and they should be allowed to express their personality any non-destructive, non-abusive way they choose.

Want to cut down on bullying? Punish the bullies. Treat them like the little felons they are. Don't punish the good kids, the smart kids, the artistic kids, and all the non-bullies.

Better yet, if you want to cut down on bullying, you could simply remove the athletic programs from public schools and send all the dumb jock kids to special athletic schools where they can bully each other to their heart's content. That would cut down on about 3/4 of the bullying, right there... Unless we're now including insults and teasing as "bullying", in which case you CAN'T get rid of it. There will always be assholes in this world. Kids need to learn that when they're in school, because they're going to run into those same assholes in the workplace and every place else. They might as well get a chance to thicken their skin in an environment where they aren't risking their paycheck to figure out how to either cope with it, or fight back. ... Whichever is best for them.
2014-08-04 02:11:19 AM  
2 votes:

FizixJunkee: TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


In California, schools provide all school supplies, including pencils and paper.  Not so in Georgia, apparently (as we found out).

Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies.  It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.


Schools in California most certainly do *not* provide school supplies. It's possible that some schools do, but my child had never been given free school supplies from school ever.
In California, low-income families do get free uniforms if a school uniform policy is in place at the school. Some are hand-me-downs, but most must be bought with the school's money, since they are required to provide them to needy children. I've volunteered at a school that had quite a bit of low-income students, and the principal was forced to do away with things such as soap and paper towels in the bathrooms and tissues in the classroom to buy uniforms. NCLB punishes a low-performing school by taking away funding, which makes it even harder on the already struggling school, then some well-meaning but stupid person suggests a uniform policy and the school goes even more broke trying to pay for uniforms. How does that make sense?
2014-08-04 01:47:51 AM  
2 votes:

jst3p: That kid you are buying supplies for, he or his classmate will one day be deciding whether or not you can still carry on a life worth living if you have XXX surgery. Let's provide funds for his education.



I'm happy to pay property taxes (at about $500/month, far cheaper than coastal Califoria, New Jersey, etc., but nothing to snicker at) to support quality public education, but clearly what we're paying in taxes isn't enough to support schools if parents have to buy supplies that the school district should have to pay for.

Heck, it would be better if we just wrote a check at the beginning of the school year and had the school buy supplies directly: it would be more efficient, and the school could get a wholesale discount, which would make supplies cheaper, too.  The system, as is, is broken.
2014-08-04 01:36:28 AM  
2 votes:

ReverendJasen: Making the shiats wear uniforms won't make them any smarter or improve their standardized test scores.
How about the school worry about something productive?


It helps them concentrate more in class and removes a potential element for distraction and discipline issues.
2014-08-04 01:32:12 AM  
2 votes:
Making the shiats wear uniforms won't make them any smarter or improve their standardized test scores.
How about the school worry about something productive?
2014-08-04 01:22:54 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

This week is tax free shopping week, they are lying if they said they shopped already.



A lot of poor people buy at the first of the month when they still have some paycheck left, or buy when they end up with an "extra" paycheck in a given month (e.g., a calendar month that results in three paychecks rather than two).
2014-08-04 01:16:48 AM  
2 votes:

SphericalTime: optikeye: Bathia_Mapes: I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

Fecking said he would do it....get in him in touch with the school board and the parents. You should have his name...he said he would do it...MAKE IT HAPPEN.

It would be nice to see a farker do something so kind, especially something that will probably cost tens of thousands of dollars.  feckingmorons might get a positive story about Fark on the news.


We could set something up and donate. I'd kick in a few bucks. I can see the need.
2014-08-04 12:36:35 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

This week is tax free shopping week, they are lying if they said they shopped already.


Nope. Multiple sources say that Florida's Tax Free Weekend was from August 1-3, 2014.
2014-08-04 12:23:37 PM  
1 votes:

ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


But at least taxes are low!

/for the corporations
2014-08-04 11:56:27 AM  
1 votes:

ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


My kids had their usual list, plus a 'wish list' for teachers, tissue, sticky notes and the like.
My wife usually buys her own supplies, and extra for kids that don't have what they need. She'll also go out and buy books for her students to read, she teaches 6th grade English.

Schools should supply what is needed in the class, but good luck with that.
2014-08-04 10:29:52 AM  
1 votes:

saintstryfe: 2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)



That is our daughter's list this year.  The color and material make-up (e.g., cardboard versus plastic cover in the case of pocketed folders) of every item is specified, and in many cases the brand of the item is specified (e.g., Fiskar scissors).
2014-08-04 08:54:50 AM  
1 votes:
I always found it entertaining to scan the school supply list. Every year I have the same question. If every child who attends this school brings in exactly what the school demanding, where is the school storing the supplies?  They have an offsite warehouse?  I also inquired as to why they needed supplies that I never saw being used by my kids or their teacher. (I was in the classroom a lot volunteering my time). I was told by more than one teacher that they didn't know where the supplies went, they were required to turn the majority of it in to the admin. Note: don't send the supply list items in immediately. Wait a few months, send email to teacher and ask what supplies are running short. They will be more than happy to have someone send in tissues or hand cleaner when they start running low...like say in November.
2014-08-04 08:32:40 AM  
1 votes:
So have the uniform rule go into affect following the winter break. Problem solved and local charities can help out with uniforms for poor kids as a christmas present.

Problem solved. Now was that so farking hard or are you going to tell me they bought xmas presents already too?
2014-08-04 07:24:01 AM  
1 votes:
Never mind the school supply talk. Is there any indication that school uniforms actually accomplish anything related to education? The only argument I've heard is that they cut down on "distractions". Growing up in the 80s surrounded by parachute pants, Thriller jackets, and fluorescent Panama Jack shirts, I still managed to learn. The only time a piece of clothing was a distraction was when a guy in my 2nd grade class pissed his parachute pants, which funneled the pee straight onto a hot radiator. And honestly, that was just some short-term sizzling.
2014-08-04 06:13:35 AM  
1 votes:

saintstryfe: 1) The reasonable list - school supplies, maybe a box of tissues. Otherwise, it's just a list of supplies. They're remarkably close to the generic "This is what you need for an 8th grader" lists we have. These are increasingly rare.

2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)

3) The Supply Shop - these lists have a few things like notebooks and pencils, but honestly? Most of it is for the classroom. One local one this year requests 6 boxes of tissues per student. Personally, I can only assume the teacher stuffs her bra and is sweaty. Another demanded a large package of paper towels - the big ones you see people wheel out of Costco. My favorite was one that also wanted parents to provide rolls of colored paper for bulletin boards.


4) The Mystery List - for reasons known only to the school district and the Teachers' Cabal, the list of sixth-grade supplies for my daughter just entering middle school is not being made available until the week before school starts - by which time all the supplies will be sold out. Because nothing prepares a child for a step up in the world like being pointlessly jerked around by unaccountable authority figures.
2014-08-04 05:30:14 AM  
1 votes:
For everyone on here talking about school supplies being provided or not provided by the schools, please allow me to contribute:

My mother teaches in Terrebonne Parish, Louisiana, at a school in a very affluent district. Every year, I get to see the supplies list for the following year, and every year it is essentially the same: pencils (pens aren't really welcome until the kids hit fifth grade), some folders, a binder, a pencil box for the various items, a basic calculator, blah blah blah. Nothing as anally-specific as 3-1/2" ring binder in blue, red, and yellow, etc.

And while the school provides a lot of stuff--copy paper, printer toner (laser printers! hallelujah!), enough Ticonderoga pencils to stuff an elephant's colon, and a great deal more--the school supply lists request parents bring in some very simple, not-at-all-ridiculous things for the classroom. Example: Parents are asked to bring two rolls of paper towels, a box of facial tissue (that's kleenex), a box of disinfecting wipes, and that's pretty much it. Apparently ,that request is fairly common throughout the parish for elementary schools, and no one has ever had a problem with it...that I've heard.

In exchange, the school provides things like, oh I don't know, books and friggin' computers. And desks. And chairs. And a bunch of teachers who give a rat's dick about their students.

Of course, this is a district where the superintendent does absolutely nothing and still makes four times what a highly-paid teacher does. And the same superintendent drives around in a brand-new SUV paid for by the school district because why the f**k not.

/Angry dome
//Will be in it for a while
2014-08-04 04:47:31 AM  
1 votes:

TheMysticS: gadian: I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.

Don't have kids, do ya?

Seriously, if you do, and you don't buy what is asked for, another parent has to pick up the slack.
Lots of parents bought very little on the lists- sometimes not enough for their own child's work.
They always count on others to pick up their slack-these types- and they don't care. I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent wouldn't do it, or told their kid no, or cancelled at the last minute. Poor babies, embarrassed and sad.


So somebody told their child no to cupcakes for their birthday, and you took it upon yourself to purchase them? How did you even know when each and every child's birthday was, and whether or not their parents let them have cupcakes? Did you have rescue cupcakes with you every time you dropped your child off in the morning so you could save the day?
Maybe the parents said no because their child is allergic to an ingredient in store bought cupcakes, or is obese and prediabetic and shouldn't have any. Maybe the parents prefer to have cake and a nice dinner at home and don't want to waste 30 minutes of their child's learning time at school passing out and eating cupcakes. Shouldn't it be the parents choice what their child can and can't eat, and not yours?
2014-08-04 04:36:00 AM  
1 votes:

robohobo: im14u2c: And Kleenex... that stuff's relatively expensive, even if you buy it in bulk, if you buy the name-brand Kleenex.  I bought the 48-pack of 125-tissue boxes, and even with the bulk discount it's about $1.70/box.  That really adds up quick!  If you buy individual boxes at the grocery store the prices are easily twice that or more per tissue.

Christ, man, how often are you jerking off? That's 6000 tissues.


*chuckle*

We have four cats, and I have allergies.  I blow my nose a lot, and clean up way too many hairballs.  In over a year we went through less than half of that bulk purchase, FWIW.  Closet space is cheap, though, so I figured why not buy bulk?

Point is, as made up-thread, it's better when the school can buy its own generic supplies and buy in bulk than if individuals pay retail for name brands.  Heck, I didn't even get that great of a deal from ULINE.  I'm sure a school district could do much better than I did when ordering school district sized quantities.
2014-08-04 04:26:30 AM  
1 votes:

FizixJunkee: TheLondonLook: Schools in California most certainly do *not* provide school supplies. It's possible that some schools do, but my child had never been given free school supplies from school ever.

Our daughter's school in Los Angeles provided all supplies.


I guess somehow you missed the part where I said that it's possible some schools do give supplies? Your child went to a California school where school supplies were given. My child has gone to 5 different schools in 3 different districts in two different cities that are 500 miles apart, and all those schools were in California.
So now we know that all children in California *are not* given school supplies.
2014-08-04 04:08:20 AM  
1 votes:
My wife is an elementary school teacher, so I'm really getting a kick...

The school she teaches at is low on the socio-economic scale. Plus, a lot of refugee families from faraway places. Last year, there were 11 diffferent languages spoken at the homes of the students just in her classroom; about FIFTY in the entire school.

It is rare for a student to have a 'decent' amount of school supplies on the first day. Now you want them to have uniforms? The 'School Supply Fairy' will be buying a boatload of pencils (unsharpened, but Ticonderoga - we're not animals), a hundred or so notebooks,gluesticks and Kleenex packs. And 25 of everything else.

I figure I spend a paycheck on various school supplies, visits to the Teacher Supply Store and books at the book fairs at school. And I'm at the school about 100 hours 'volunteering'.

I haven't bought copy paper or paper towels - yet.

/Looking forward to the first day of school
//I want to see the kids cry when mommy goes away.
///It's the same sound when they realize there's no candy in the van...
2014-08-04 04:07:07 AM  
1 votes:

gadian: TheMysticS: Don't have kids, do ya?

I do.  I'm just not going to provide a teacher's wishlist of supplies.  You can teach without fancy colored markers, multi-colored papers, 25 gigantor bottles of hand sanitizer, 25 economy sized boxes of kleenex and a million little tabs of velcro stickies all over the walls.


What's with all the hand sanitizer these days, anyway?  We never had that crap growing up.  Are they drinking it?

And Kleenex... that stuff's relatively expensive, even if you buy it in bulk, if you buy the name-brand Kleenex.  I bought the 48-pack of 125-tissue boxes, and even with the bulk discount it's about $1.70/box.  That really adds up quick!  If you buy individual boxes at the grocery store the prices are easily twice that or more per tissue.
2014-08-04 03:20:30 AM  
1 votes:

TheMysticS: Don't have kids, do ya?


I do.  I'm just not going to provide a teacher's wishlist of supplies.  You can teach without fancy colored markers, multi-colored papers, 25 gigantor bottles of hand sanitizer, 25 economy sized boxes of kleenex and a million little tabs of velcro stickies all over the walls. If the teacher feels they need those to teach, they can purchase them.  I'll pay higher property taxes to purchase those things with, but I won't give personal handouts to teachers.
2014-08-04 03:11:12 AM  
1 votes:

gadian: I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.


Don't have kids, do ya?

Seriously, if you do, and you don't buy what is asked for, another parent has to pick up the slack.
Lots of parents bought very little on the lists- sometimes not enough for their own child's work.
They always count on others to pick up their slack-these types- and they don't care. I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent wouldn't do it, or told their kid no, or cancelled at the last minute. Poor babies, embarrassed and sad.
2014-08-04 03:05:39 AM  
1 votes:

TheMysticS: FizixJunkee: TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


In California, schools provide all school supplies, including pencils and paper.  Not so in Georgia, apparently (as we found out).

Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies.  It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

Welcome to almost every school district in America.


Ha. My local district, here in the wealthiest few townships in Johnson County, KS faced having to lay off it's entire arts dept. The locals were all
"lol, no, we'll just pay for that shiat ourselves, it costs nothing". The state said no. Other towns, on both sides of the state line chimed in saying it was unfair that we could do so. We took it to court. The state lost. Hard. Now the arts dept. is funded, salaries and supplies for years. Good times.
2014-08-04 03:02:58 AM  
1 votes:

TheLondonLook: FizixJunkee: TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


In California, schools provide all school supplies, including pencils and paper.  Not so in Georgia, apparently (as we found out).

Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies.  It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

Schools in California most certainly do *not* provide school supplies. It's possible that some schools do, but my child had never been given free school supplies from school ever.


I don't know how it is now in Michigan, but when I was still in school, the law there (state law) was that the school had to provide basic supplies such as paper and pencils and such as required by the course work.  There was a "within reason" threshold though.  I couldn't just go grab a ream of paper and a box of pencils whenever I liked.  Also, it only required providing the most basic resources required by the coursework.

If you needed folders or binders to hold your homework, additional pens, or other supplies beyond the basics, you were on your own.  IIRC, basic art supplies (tape, markers, poster board, etc.) were provided for the occasional activity that needed them.  But if you were in some extracurricular that needed them, then the school wasn't required to provide it.

In our particular district, we often oscillated between pay-to-play and school-funded extracurriculars (including band and choir) that depended on whether the most recent millage increase got approved.  Our district was always on the edge between the two.  They also played all sorts of crazy games with the length of the school day, class periods and lunch periods based on whether the millage passed.  In a good year everything was funded, we had 55 minute classes with 5 minutes passing time and a 35 minute lunch, giving a 6 1/2 hour day.  In a bad year, it was pay-to-play, 47 minute classes with 4 minutes passing-time, and a 28 minute lunch, giving a 5 1/2 hour day.  Or something like that.  That was over half a lifetime ago, so my memory is maybe a bit fuzzy.

Looking back, we had it fairly easy compared to the stories I hear these days.  Good grief.

Fund the dang schools!
2014-08-04 02:56:56 AM  
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ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


hehehe. I work selling office supplies.

It's an absolute nightmare filling these lists. I break them down into 3 types

1) The reasonable list - school supplies, maybe a box of tissues. Otherwise, it's just a list of supplies. They're remarkably close to the generic "This is what you need for an 8th grader" lists we have. These are increasingly rare.

2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)

3) The Supply Shop - these lists have a few things like notebooks and pencils, but honestly? Most of it is for the classroom. One local one this year requests 6 boxes of tissues per student. Personally, I can only assume the teacher stuffs her bra and is sweaty. Another demanded a large package of paper towels - the big ones you see people wheel out of Costco. My favorite was one that also wanted parents to provide rolls of colored paper for bulletin boards.
2014-08-04 02:53:45 AM  
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FizixJunkee: TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


In California, schools provide all school supplies, including pencils and paper.  Not so in Georgia, apparently (as we found out).

Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies.  It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.


Welcome to almost every school district in America.
2014-08-04 02:53:34 AM  
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I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.
2014-08-04 02:31:30 AM  
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TheLondonLook: Schools in California most certainly do *not* provide school supplies. It's possible that some schools do, but my child had never been given free school supplies from school ever.


Our daughter's school in Los Angeles provided all supplies.
2014-08-04 01:47:54 AM  
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Know who else liked all the kids to dress the same?

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www.democratic-republicans.us
2014-08-04 01:46:05 AM  
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jst3p: CSB:

When I was in sixth grade my family moved from the Tampa Bay area to Silicon Valley.

I am not an idiot by any means, but I was almost a year behind in math based on florida vs. California standards. I had to do a shiat ton of extra work to not be held back. The last thing florida needs to be worrying about is uniforms.


I had the opposite.  Moved from Chicago to central Louisiana after third grade.  It was about a year before I hit any math I didn't see, and I felt leagues ahead of the other kids in the other subjects.

But that could have just been because I read a book every now and then.  Reading wasn't stigmatized in my first school, but certainly was in LA.
2014-08-04 01:44:07 AM  
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Never been a big fan of school uniforms. Private schools can do as they like, but I never really liked it for public schools.
2014-08-04 01:42:23 AM  
1 votes:

ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


That kid you are buying supplies for, he or his classmate will one day be deciding whether or not you can still carry on a life worth living if you have XXX surgery. Let's provide funds for his education.
2014-08-04 01:31:09 AM  
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Just make the school uniform consist of saggy jorts and oversized t-shirts with bedazzled crowns and shiat on 'em, and wah lah, all the students already have uniforms
2014-08-04 01:24:11 AM  
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sethen320: SphericalTime: optikeye: Bathia_Mapes: I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

Fecking said he would do it....get in him in touch with the school board and the parents. You should have his name...he said he would do it...MAKE IT HAPPEN.

It would be nice to see a farker do something so kind, especially something that will probably cost tens of thousands of dollars.  feckingmorons might get a positive story about Fark on the news.

We could set something up and donate. I'd kick in a few bucks. I can see the need.


Sounds like an idea for a kickstarter
2014-08-04 01:23:11 AM  
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sethen320: SphericalTime: optikeye: Bathia_Mapes: I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

Fecking said he would do it....get in him in touch with the school board and the parents. You should have his name...he said he would do it...MAKE IT HAPPEN.

It would be nice to see a farker do something so kind, especially something that will probably cost tens of thousands of dollars.  feckingmorons might get a positive story about Fark on the news.

We could set something up and donate. I'd kick in a few bucks. I can see the need.


I'm in.  I bet the parents will continue to biatch about something, anything at all, instead of facing the simple fact that their kids are failing in school and they aren't any farking help because they don't care.  In other words, they fail as parents.  However, I'd love to be proven wrong.
2014-08-04 12:56:26 AM  
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optikeye: Bathia_Mapes: I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

Fecking said he would do it....get in him in touch with the school board and the parents. You should have his name...he said he would do it...MAKE IT HAPPEN.


It would be nice to see a farker do something so kind, especially something that will probably cost tens of thousands of dollars.  feckingmorons might get a positive story about Fark on the news.
2014-08-03 11:44:44 PM  
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Perhaps there is a relationship between their attitudes and the poorly performing students?

/nah
 
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