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(Orlando Sentinel)   Parents have no issue with sending their children to a school that received an "F" rating, but tell them they may have to get uniforms for their underachieving students and suddenly they give a damn   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 152
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2014-08-04 10:41:27 AM  

saintstryfe: 2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)


If they have that much of a hard on for organization the teacher needs to buy it in bulk then split it into kits and charge a reasonable (i.e. no more than $25) price and expect to eat the cost for at least 5 kids in the classroom.
 
2014-08-04 10:42:17 AM  

im14u2c: What's with all the hand sanitizer these days, anyway?  We never had that crap growing up.  Are they drinking it?


Our list included the brand AND quantity (in fluid ounces) of hand sanitizer to be purchased.  We bought the stuff even though our daughter has a note on file that says she's not supposed to use it and is instead supposed to use a special handwash (she has eczema, exacerbated by the handwashing the kids have to do every three and a half minutes).
 
2014-08-04 10:42:31 AM  

doglover: delsydsoftware: Is there any indication that school uniforms actually accomplish anything related to education?

They're actually quite awesome from a societal standpoint. It saves a million hours of bickering with kids and their parents over what they can and can't wear each year, too.

On the other hand, there's no real reason to have them either, except for sports teams.


I've seen schools institute uniforms in a non-uniform fashion, which leads to a lot of parent meetings, a lot of announcements, and a lot of wasted time as parents bicker with the school about what their kids can and can't wear and why OTHER kids are allowed to wear it.

The only thing school uniforms did in central Louisiana was more clearly show which kids' families have connections/any mount of money, and which kids did not.
 
2014-08-04 10:46:50 AM  

12349876: im14u2c: and clean up way too many hairballs.

I'd use cheap ass paper towels for that.  Cheaper and more effective.



Baby wipes are even better for cleaning up hairballs.
 
2014-08-04 10:49:34 AM  

FizixJunkee: 12349876: im14u2c: and clean up way too many hairballs.

I'd use cheap ass paper towels for that.  Cheaper and more effective.


Baby wipes are even better for cleaning up hairballs.


My dog cleans up things from my four cats if I'm not fast enough.

Cheap, but nasty...
 
2014-08-04 10:49:41 AM  

SouthParkCon: FizixJunkee: TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


As to the uniforms...let's see how many of these kids are coming to school in $100 Nike's or $20-30 shirts and jeans because it's what they "have" to wear. My kids go to a charter school that requires uniforms and it's a whole lot cheaper going back to school shopping. Having fashion as a distraction isn't an issue at the school my kids go to and I'm all for it and IMHO it does make a difference.


Nike Lil' Posite One gym shoes for 3.5 - 7 year olds cost $180 (which are $20 short of a set of Nike golf clubs for kids). The LeBron XI Max Low are cheaper at $135. That's insane for someone who is going to grow out of them within a year.

But yeah, in general, school uniforms wind up being cheaper in the long run if you are buying new clothes. Probably not so much if you are buying from Goodwill or resale, unless the uniform standards are such that you can buy that at Goodwill, too.
 
2014-08-04 10:54:41 AM  

snowshovel: Nike Lil' Posite One gym shoes for 3.5 - 7 year olds cost $180 (which are $20 short of a set of Nike golf clubs for kids). The LeBron XI Max Low are cheaper at $135. That's insane for someone who is going to grow out of them within a year.


What the fark?! That's wrong on so many levels. Holy shiat. Wow.
 
2014-08-04 10:57:09 AM  

im14u2c: What's with all the hand sanitizer these days, anyway?


I did a 6wk pediatric rotation in school. The first two weeks were in the nursery/NICU, and they were fine. The last four weeks were in the child hospital area and I was sick almost the entire time with various forms of runny nose/cold. I was blessed with an outbreak of hand-foot-mouth disease during my stay.

Asked the pediatrician if she was constantly sick during residency and her response was basically "Yeah, lol".
 
2014-08-04 10:57:46 AM  
You know who else liked school uniforms?

upload.wikimedia.org

Sounds like a farking nightmare. Why would you subject children to that?
 
2014-08-04 11:02:07 AM  

Mugato: You know who else liked school uniforms?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x325]

Sounds like a farking nightmare. Why would you subject children to that?


Yeah, it's not like public schools in the US make kids salute flags and blindly repeat oaths on a regular basis....
 
2014-08-04 11:06:31 AM  

vicioushobbit: doglover: delsydsoftware: Is there any indication that school uniforms actually accomplish anything related to education?

They're actually quite awesome from a societal standpoint. It saves a million hours of bickering with kids and their parents over what they can and can't wear each year, too.

On the other hand, there's no real reason to have them either, except for sports teams.

I've seen schools institute uniforms in a non-uniform fashion, which leads to a lot of parent meetings, a lot of announcements, and a lot of wasted time as parents bicker with the school about what their kids can and can't wear and why OTHER kids are allowed to wear it.

The only thing school uniforms did in central Louisiana was more clearly show which kids' families have connections/any mount of money, and which kids did not.


To be honest, I've heard of no difference between uniforms and no uniforms in student performance. That's not what it's about.

Uniforms are for the community to know and protect students, students to get used to suits and dress codes, and pervs to buy used at ロープin Shibuya.

Wait, that last part is supposed to be a secret. Also I think ロープ closed years ago. I only went there to see if I could get a picture of the used panty vending machine in 2004. It was on a list of crazy places to visit in Tokyo. Me and another anime geek went there as a lark.
 
2014-08-04 11:10:16 AM  

WilderKWight: They're students who should be encouraged to be individuals, and they should be allowed to express their personality any non-destructive, non-abusive way they choose.


They can express their individuality by writing an essay and publishing it in the school newspaper, making video documentary and posting it on youtube, composing music and poetry, joining a band, painting, etc. They don't need to express their individually by all rushing to the same 3 tween oriented clothing stores and spending $500 of their parent's money so they can all look exactly alike.
 
2014-08-04 11:24:11 AM  

vicioushobbit: Cheap, but nasty...


You know who else was ch....aw hell, this is too easy
 
2014-08-04 11:25:48 AM  

FizixJunkee: 12349876: im14u2c: and clean up way too many hairballs.

I'd use cheap ass paper towels for that.  Cheaper and more effective.


Baby wipes are even better for cleaning up hairballs.


We use wetted paper towels most of the time to clean up hairballs and other cat vomit, especially after it dries.

But, if you can catch the cat in the act, or at least near the act, Kleenex work plenty well for a 'fresh one.'  And, thanks to that bulk purchase, we have Kleenex boxes spread throughout the house.

Pull the Plug on Grannie: im14u2c: What's with all the hand sanitizer these days, anyway?

I did a 6wk pediatric rotation in school. The first two weeks were in the nursery/NICU, and they were fine. The last four weeks were in the child hospital area and I was sick almost the entire time with various forms of runny nose/cold. I was blessed with an outbreak of hand-foot-mouth disease during my stay.

Asked the pediatrician if she was constantly sick during residency and her response was basically "Yeah, lol".


Well, I can see how hand sanitizer would make sense for someone in your situation.  You're in contact with (or at least the proximity of) a rotating cast of ill children.

The folks I've noticed with hand sanitizer don't fall into that category.  They're more like "ZOMG you touched that doorknob.  Show me your hands! *squirt squirt squirt*"  Ok, I exaggerate a little bit, but then again, their behavior did cause me to actually notice them with the hand sanitizer.  Whatever happened to letting your kid's immune system learn how to defend itself and the child with the occasional exposure to something bad?

Knowing when to wash your hands is important and should be taught.  Carrying around a bottle of hand sanitizer everywhere and using it reflexively just seems... OCD.
 
2014-08-04 11:31:03 AM  
Didn't read the article but just wanted to say that I was always in a private school and always had uniforms.  Never had an issue with them.

/then again I have 0 fashion sense so....
//can see how it can be a burden for the families that are living paycheck to paycheck though
 
2014-08-04 11:33:20 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.


Agreed.  It's too late for this year.

saintstryfe: 2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)


I don't think it's just organization, but rather to avoid any student having something better than some other student.
 
2014-08-04 11:44:21 AM  

Target Builder: Yeah, it's not like public schools in the US make kids salute flags and blindly repeat oaths on a regular basis....


That's pretty farked up too. Thinking back  can't believe that we were actually made to do that.
 
2014-08-04 11:46:58 AM  

doglover: Monkeyhouse Zendo: You're sort of new to the whole "mate attraction and selection" instinct, aren't you?

So you're into middle school and high school kids? Tell us more about that Monkeyhouse Zendo.


I just happen to understand why post pubescent females would tend to show a little more leg and skin than Gramma. But hey, a day isn't complete without being accused of pedophilia by someone who goes by "doglover".
 
2014-08-04 11:56:27 AM  

ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


My kids had their usual list, plus a 'wish list' for teachers, tissue, sticky notes and the like.
My wife usually buys her own supplies, and extra for kids that don't have what they need. She'll also go out and buy books for her students to read, she teaches 6th grade English.

Schools should supply what is needed in the class, but good luck with that.
 
2014-08-04 12:05:47 PM  

FizixJunkee: robohobo: Ha. My local district, here in the wealthiest few townships in Johnson County, KS faced having to lay off it's entire arts dept. The locals were all
"lol, no, we'll just pay for that shiat ourselves, it costs nothing". The state said no. Other towns, on both sides of the state line chimed in saying it was unfair that we could do so. We took it to court. The state lost. Hard. Now the arts dept. is funded, salaries and supplies for years. Good times

Our daughter's school in Los Angeles had a very active PGA (equivalent to a PTA).  They actively solicited $1000 donations* per child per school year to cover the salaries of the science, PE, music, and arts instructors (who would otherwise have been let go in the latest round of budget cuts) plus covered the salaries of classroom aides in the kindergarten and first grade classrooms.

People gave (we did, too).  There was something like 694 students in the school; they PGA raised over $700,000.

Unfortunately, the Dekalk County school district won't let the PTAs here do that.  It's apparently "unfair."

*still heck of a lot cheaper than private school tuition


LAUSD wanted $1000, probably to cover the costs of all the stolen IPads they handed out to kids and teachers. So many were stolen that this year they decided to give all the kids laptops instead.

Cut science teachers? That was the scare tactic to get you to pay. Remember, they still have to pay off that $1 billion  school they built on a Superfund site and is uninhabitable.

Ever notice that they never cut a couple of middle managers, a few Administrative Assistants, or sports? The excuse for sports has always been "it's what keeps some kids in school". Well, the same can be said for art, drama, and music, dummkopf.

In the US we spend an average of $10,000/kid to educate every year. That's roughly $250,000/year for each classroom. Teachers sure aren't seeing that. The buildings are amortized. So where is it going? Hint: Not boxes of Ticonderogas.
 
2014-08-04 12:14:44 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I just happen to understand why post pubescent females would tend to show a little more leg and skin than Gramma.


It's not all that much different to be honest. Especially because they could just change outfits and be wearing anything in about the time it takes to type this sentence.

Thus, I don't think it has a sexual component so much as social rebellion appeal and fashion.

It's such a culture war that the true teenage fashionistas carry around suitcases with them in their spare time to change progressively during the day.
 
2014-08-04 12:19:50 PM  

Khazar-Khum: LAUSD wanted $1000, probably to cover the costs of all the stolen IPads they handed out to kids and teachers. So many were stolen that this year they decided to give all the kids laptops instead.

Cut science teachers? That was the scare tactic to get you to pay. Remember, they still have to pay off that $1 billion  school they built on a Superfund site and is uninhabitable.



LAUSD didn't ask for $1,000 per kid.  Our particular school's PGA (PTA) did.  100% of that money stayed at our particular school.  And, as far as I know, no iPads at our particular school were stolen.

And the school REALLY did nearly lose its science, art, and PE teachers.   It wasn't a scare tactic.  Fortunately, the parents in our area were relatively well-to-do and could afford the thousand bucks per kid requested to keep those "unessential" teachers.
 
2014-08-04 12:23:37 PM  

ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


But at least taxes are low!

/for the corporations
 
2014-08-04 12:34:38 PM  
A dress code is one thing, like banning offensive or revealing clothes. But uniforms for school is just dumb. It's just another step to turning them into indoctrinated little drones. A regular dress code is plenty good enough to let children maintain some individuality while enforcing some professionalism.
 
2014-08-04 12:49:24 PM  

FizixJunkee: TuteTibiImperes: If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


In California, schools provide all school supplies, including pencils and paper.  Not so in Georgia, apparently (as we found out).

Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies.  It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.


I don't buy the classroom supplies. I just send a note that explains that the district should provide those supplies.
 
2014-08-04 01:36:38 PM  
My wife was a teacher at a school that the principal, Mrs. Hunt, oversaw. She says that if anyone can turn an "F" school into an "A" school Mrs. Hunt is the one to do it.
 
2014-08-04 02:09:59 PM  

WilderKWight: I'm totally against school uniforms. We have to wear business clothes when we're adults. School is the only time when we were allowed to express ourselves in any way, and discover who we are through that expression. YES, that is important to an adolescent.


If you need to wear designer clothes to express yourself, chances are you never had a creative bone in your body and you're just lazy.

With a school uniform, we actually had to develop personalities and work to express ourselves. I remember more of my uniformed high school schoolmates that I was acquaintances with than un-uniformed university mates who I hung around with all the time simply because they had unique personalities that distinguished themselves from the rest.

They played a jazz encore when everyone at the school concert chanted "WE WANT MORE (JOEL!)" when the teachers got angry at the interruption, they created insanely amazing art pieces for their end of year projects, they told the best jokes and got into the craziest hijinks, they cheered when I stood up against the bully fresh off the boat from England trying to assert himself into the social order of the school whom eventually transferred away.

All wore uniforms and all I remember because they developed their own unique personalities. They had to because they didn't have the easy mode of letting their clothes do the talking. It may seem counter-intuitive, but the ones who rely on their clothes to 'express' themselves ironically end up looking just like everybody else and becoming as utterly forgettable as last years fashion.
 
2014-08-04 02:13:49 PM  

Mugato: You know who else liked school uniforms?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x325]

Sounds like a farking nightmare. Why would you subject children to that?


Oh go suck an egg. Someone us prefer to develop our personalities, rather than taking the easy way out of wearing this years fashions.
 
2014-08-04 02:16:22 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

This week is tax free shopping week, they are lying if they said they shopped already.

Nope. Multiple sources say that Florida's Tax Free Weekend was from August 1-3, 2014.


Yes, Tax Free Weekend was this past weekend 8/1-8/3

Uniforms are a sucky idea...and worse so for poor parents...who do not have the money for buying and maintaining uniforms
 
2014-08-04 02:23:28 PM  

gadian: I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.


Schools can pay for supplies by firing their excess administration

I work for a college, and guaranteed that every taxpayer funded school in the nation can immediately fire half of their administration...it is not needed
 
2014-08-04 02:27:24 PM  

OBBN: My wife was a teacher at a school that the principal, Mrs. Hunt, oversaw. She says that if anyone can turn an "F" school into an "A" school Mrs. Hunt is the one to do it.


School grades are a total joke.

Schools that go from an F to an A do so with a lot of C and H and E and A and T. Kids end up studying for one test at end of year instead of learning anything
 
2014-08-04 02:56:45 PM  
Ok can someone help me find Mead 3x5 ruled index cards? Every store just has oxford or their own brand.
Amazon has them at $4 each. I'm not paying $4 to get 100 index cards since I need 4 packs.  What is so special about Mead? I think I may just bring in Oxford at the start of school.
 
2014-08-04 03:19:33 PM  

ReverendJasen: FizixJunkee: Here in Atlanta, the mandatory school supply list includes red pens for the teacher to use for grading, Kleenex brand tissues (yes, they specified the brand), paper towels, Purell hand sanitizer, and other classroom supplies. It's one thing for us parents to have to buy notebooks and crayons; it's another thing altogether to have to buy supplies that the school system should be providing.

X1000
We just had to send in red pens for teacher, erasers and sharpies for the farking black(white)board, etc.  Give it a couple years, they'll be adding furnace filters and mop heads to the farking list.


Cool Story Bro:

A nearby town put its school budget up for a vote in early June.  They were going to give the teachers *yet another* raise, while (apparently, according to a friend and coworker who is also on the town council) the rest of the town's employees haven't seen a raise in a while.  And the roads are crumbling.  And property taxes went up.  Again.  Anyway, the town voted it down.  Twice (they tried passing the budget again just a few weeks ago, IIRC).  I've heard nothing about parents having to buy the school its supplies, but I guess that's next.  I mean, I'm all for making sure our schools are well-funded, but not to the exclusion of all else.

Like I said...cool story bro.
 
2014-08-04 03:21:13 PM  

Misconduc: Know who else liked all the kids to dress the same?

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Second Cool Story Bro:

My son lives with his mum (he's visiting for the summer), and he's in a new school district...where they have a dress code.  My father made a comment about how when he was a kid in Germany, they ALSO had a dress code, because Hitler.

...

I should get back to work. :P
 
2014-08-04 03:24:24 PM  

Gulper Eel: 4) The Mystery List - for reasons known only to the school district and the Teachers' Cabal, the list of sixth-grade supplies for my daughter just entering middle school is not being made available until the week before school starts - by which time all the supplies will be sold out. Because nothing prepares a child for a step up in the world like being pointlessly jerked around by unaccountable authority figures.


Preparation for joining the military.  We trademarked the phrase, "Hurry Up And Wait."
 
2014-08-04 03:25:01 PM  
I'm just posting in this thread by myself, now.  Aren't I?

:-/
 
2014-08-04 03:43:25 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

If the school requires uniforms it should be required to provide uniforms for free or at  reduced cost for students on the free or reduced cost lunch program.


Why?
 
2014-08-04 03:51:34 PM  

ReverendJasen: Making the shiats wear uniforms won't make them any smarter or improve their standardized test scores.
How about the school worry about something productive?


When Rhonda Hunt, principal of   Heights Elementary, one of five in the district to receive an F this year, was transferred this summer from A-rated Lost Lake Elementary in, one of her first moves was to ask the School Board for a dress-code waiver to allow for uniforms "to help build a new school culture."

District officials said Hunt - who had experience with uniforms at Lost Lake Elementary - needs to do a better job of communicating the plan to parents before considering the request.


Gee, I dunno.  I think I'll go with the person that has experience at creating an atmosphere (or at least running said atmosphere) of excellence this one time instead of kneejerk reacting to something I'm not overly familiar with such as successful public school administration.   What do you think?  Should we let proven experience take a shot at repeating itself or your scientifically tested idea?
 
2014-08-04 04:10:15 PM  
If these parents would actually organize and refuse to buy or allow their kid to wear a uniform, uniforms would cease to be an issue.

The school can't send every kid home for not wearing one, they'd lose all their funding for that day.  If even 50% of the class showed up without one, the rule would be gone in a heartbeat.

And it should be gone.  Kids need to learn to think for themselves, uniforms are not ever even remotely conducive to that.
 
2014-08-04 04:17:30 PM  

xanadian: I'm just posting in this thread by myself, now.  Aren't I?

:-/


It's only a problem when you start trolling yourself.
 
2014-08-04 05:06:06 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

This week is tax free shopping week, they are lying if they said they shopped already.

Nope. Multiple sources say that Florida's Tax Free Weekend was from August 1-3, 2014.

Yes, Tax Free Weekend was this past weekend 8/1-8/3

Uniforms are a sucky idea...and worse so for poor parents...who do not have the money for buying and maintaining uniforms


Yeah, the same parents that can't afford $6 shirts and $20 slacks that can somehow afford branded clothes from the cool shops? Can't swing $10 for a school shirt, but $120 kicks are ok?
 
2014-08-04 05:09:22 PM  

Khazar-Khum: FloridaFarkTag: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

This week is tax free shopping week, they are lying if they said they shopped already.

Nope. Multiple sources say that Florida's Tax Free Weekend was from August 1-3, 2014.

Yes, Tax Free Weekend was this past weekend 8/1-8/3

Uniforms are a sucky idea...and worse so for poor parents...who do not have the money for buying and maintaining uniforms

Yeah, the same parents that can't afford $6 shirts and $20 slacks that can somehow afford branded clothes from the cool shops? Can't swing $10 for a school shirt, but $120 kicks are ok?


Kids wear clothing outside of school. The friends of mine who attended Catholic school and wore uniforms couldn't get out of them fast enough when they got home.
 
2014-08-04 05:12:45 PM  

FizixJunkee: Khazar-Khum: LAUSD wanted $1000, probably to cover the costs of all the stolen IPads they handed out to kids and teachers. So many were stolen that this year they decided to give all the kids laptops instead.

Cut science teachers? That was the scare tactic to get you to pay. Remember, they still have to pay off that $1 billion  school they built on a Superfund site and is uninhabitable.


LAUSD didn't ask for $1,000 per kid.  Our particular school's PGA (PTA) did.  100% of that money stayed at our particular school.  And, as far as I know, no iPads at our particular school were stolen.

And the school REALLY did nearly lose its science, art, and PE teachers.   It wasn't a scare tactic.  Fortunately, the parents in our area were relatively well-to-do and could afford the thousand bucks per kid requested to keep those "unessential" teachers.


So what does the property tax in your area cover? Remember, over 60% of the state budget must go to schools.

And it IS a scare tactic. They didn't suggest cutting middle admins or their assistants, now, did they? Nope. Just teachers, plus things affluent families are 'supposed' to care about, like the arts and science.

If no Ipads were stolen at your school, congrats. That's the only one in LA that can say that.
 
2014-08-04 05:23:09 PM  

TheLondonLook: TheMysticS: gadian: I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.

Don't have kids, do ya?

Seriously, if you do, and you don't buy what is asked for, another parent has to pick up the slack.
Lots of parents bought very little on the lists- sometimes not enough for their own child's work.
They always count on others to pick up their slack-these types- and they don't care. I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent wouldn't do it, or told their kid no, or cancelled at the last minute. Poor babies, embarrassed and sad.

So somebody told their child no to cupcakes for their birthday, and you took it upon yourself to purchase them? How did you even know when each and every child's birthday was, and whether or not their parents let them have cupcakes? Did you have rescue cupcakes with you every time you dropped your child off in the morning so you could save the day?
Maybe the parents said no because their child is allergic to an ingredient in store bought cupcakes, or is obese and prediabetic and shouldn't have any. Maybe the parents prefer to have cake and a nice dinner at home and don't want to waste 30 minutes of their child's learning time at school passing out and eating cupcakes. Shouldn't it be the parents choice what their child can and can't eat, and not yours?


What crawled up your ass?

I'm talking about parents who tell us they are going to show up with cupcakes, and then do not.
So I run down to the store, buy a flat and come back.
These were kindergarten kids, and I was the 'room mom' responsible for calling up all the parents and co-ordinating things. Also, I helped out in the classroom with parties and such. We had a party at the end of the year for kids with summer birthdays, or vacation/ holiday time born kids.

And it was not always cake. Sometimes, it was applesauce and Graham crackers. Just depended on what the folks would like to do. That was my job. Calling around.
And if the answer was no, it was no.
Not a problem.

So, that's how I knew, dumbass. Five minutes of critical thinking could have led you to similar conclusions.


And don't talk to me about food allergy kids. First- if it's life threatening, I would be informed. I've been making peanut, soy, dairy& wheat free stuff for my friend's child for 10+years.
And he's not the only child with serious allergies I've known.

I guess you got this image of me playing 'bestest mommy evar!' bringing unhealthy foods to a bunch of little kids, praising my wonderful self for saving the day!
Sorry, that's wrong.

/ glad to note your concern for my community. very concerned.
// oh, and fark you
 
2014-08-04 05:25:05 PM  

xanadian: I'm just posting in this thread by myself, now.  Aren't I?

:-/


ME SEES YOU
 
2014-08-04 05:40:03 PM  

Khazar-Khum: Yeah, the same parents that can't afford $6 shirts and $20 slacks that can somehow afford branded clothes from the cool shops? Can't swing $10 for a school shirt, but $120 kicks are ok?


There's always hand-me-downs, garage sales, and thrift stores.
 
2014-08-04 05:53:16 PM  
I simply refuse to believe that a school district failed to communicate or communicated in a less-than-optimal manner with parents.

Because school admins are usually such a model of efficiency.
 
2014-08-04 05:54:22 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: xanadian: I'm just posting in this thread by myself, now.  Aren't I?

:-/

It's only a problem when you start trolling yourself.


....

OH SHI....
 
2014-08-04 05:58:22 PM  

TheMysticS: TheLondonLook: TheMysticS: gadian: I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.

Don't have kids, do ya?

Seriously, if you do, and you don't buy what is asked for, another parent has to pick up the slack.
Lots of parents bought very little on the lists- sometimes not enough for their own child's work.
They always count on others to pick up their slack-these types- and they don't care. I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent wouldn't do it, or told their kid no, or cancelled at the last minute. Poor babies, embarrassed and sad.

So somebody told their child no to cupcakes for their birthday, and you took it upon yourself to purchase them? How did you even know when each and every child's birthday was, and whether or not their parents let them have cupcakes? Did you have rescue cupcakes with you every time you dropped your child off in the morning so you could save the day?
Maybe the parents said no because their child is allergic to an ingredient in store bought cupcakes, or is obese and prediabetic and shouldn't have any. Maybe the parents prefer to have cake and a nice dinner at home and don't want to waste 30 minutes of their child's learning time at school passing out and eating cupcakes. Shouldn't it be the parents choice what their child can and can't eat, and not yours?

What crawled up your ass?

I'm talking about parents who tell us they are going to show up with cupcakes, and then do not.
So I run down to the store, buy a flat and come back.
These were kindergarten kids, and I was the 'room mom' responsible for calling up all the parents and co-ordinating things. Also, I helped out in the classroom with parties and such. We had a party at the end of the year for kids with summer birthdays, or vacation/ holiday time born kids.

And it was not always cake. Sometimes, it was applesauce and Graham crackers. Just depended on what the folks would like to do. That was my job. Calling around.
And if the answer was no, it was no.
Not a problem.

So, that's how I knew, dumbass. Five minutes of critical thinking could have led you to similar conclusions.


And don't talk to me about food allergy kids. First- if it's life threatening, I would be informed. I've been making peanut, soy, dairy& wheat free stuff for my friend's child for 10+years.
And he's not the only child with serious allergies I've known.

I guess you got this image of me playing 'bestest mommy evar!' bringing unhealthy foods to a bunch of little kids, praising my wonderful self for saving the day!
Sorry, that's wrong.

/ glad to note your concern for my community. very concerned.
// oh, and fark you


Mmhmm, sure. Your insult-filled, unnecessarily defensive and classless reply shows exactly how correct I was in my assumptions of you. Pretty sure you just told on yourself. Lol.
 
2014-08-04 07:40:58 PM  

leonel: Mugato: You know who else liked school uniforms?

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Sounds like a farking nightmare. Why would you subject children to that?

Oh go suck an egg. Someone us prefer to develop our personalities, rather than taking the easy way out of wearing this years fashions.


Well English is obviously your second language but that aside, making kids dress up in uniforms is farked up.
 
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