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(Orlando Sentinel)   Parents have no issue with sending their children to a school that received an "F" rating, but tell them they may have to get uniforms for their underachieving students and suddenly they give a damn   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 152
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2014-08-04 04:08:20 AM  
My wife is an elementary school teacher, so I'm really getting a kick...

The school she teaches at is low on the socio-economic scale. Plus, a lot of refugee families from faraway places. Last year, there were 11 diffferent languages spoken at the homes of the students just in her classroom; about FIFTY in the entire school.

It is rare for a student to have a 'decent' amount of school supplies on the first day. Now you want them to have uniforms? The 'School Supply Fairy' will be buying a boatload of pencils (unsharpened, but Ticonderoga - we're not animals), a hundred or so notebooks,gluesticks and Kleenex packs. And 25 of everything else.

I figure I spend a paycheck on various school supplies, visits to the Teacher Supply Store and books at the book fairs at school. And I'm at the school about 100 hours 'volunteering'.

I haven't bought copy paper or paper towels - yet.

/Looking forward to the first day of school
//I want to see the kids cry when mommy goes away.
///It's the same sound when they realize there's no candy in the van...
 
2014-08-04 04:09:07 AM  

im14u2c: gadian: TheMysticS: Don't have kids, do ya?

I do.  I'm just not going to provide a teacher's wishlist of supplies.  You can teach without fancy colored markers, multi-colored papers, 25 gigantor bottles of hand sanitizer, 25 economy sized boxes of kleenex and a million little tabs of velcro stickies all over the walls.

What's with all the hand sanitizer these days, anyway?  We never had that crap growing up.  Are they drinking it?

And Kleenex... that stuff's relatively expensive, even if you buy it in bulk, if you buy the name-brand Kleenex.  I bought the 48-pack of 125-tissue boxes, and even with the bulk discount it's about $1.70/box.  That really adds up quick!  If you buy individual boxes at the grocery store the prices are easily twice that or more per tissue.


Christ, man, how often are you jerking off? That's 6000 tissues.
 
2014-08-04 04:20:39 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals said they were caught off guard by the short notice - school starts Aug. 18 - and had already done their back-to-school shopping and couldn't afford to buy more clothes.


I think the parents have every right to be upset if the decision to require mandatory uniforms wasn't properly communicated to them on such short notice. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and simply cannot afford to buy additional clothing.

This week is tax free shopping week, they are lying if they said they shopped already.

Nope. Multiple sources say that Florida's Tax Free Weekend was from August 1-3, 2014.


Yes, I'm still awake so 'this week' means now (well about 4 hours ago it ended). However the article says they asked for an exemption last week: "Before board members could take up the contentious issue last week..."

So if they said they shopped last week and the tax free period was Aug 1 to Aug 3, they are lying.
 
2014-08-04 04:23:47 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Just make the school uniform consist of saggy jorts and oversized t-shirts with bedazzled crowns and shiat on 'em, and wah lah, all the students already have uniforms



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2014-08-04 04:26:30 AM  

FizixJunkee: TheLondonLook: Schools in California most certainly do *not* provide school supplies. It's possible that some schools do, but my child had never been given free school supplies from school ever.

Our daughter's school in Los Angeles provided all supplies.


I guess somehow you missed the part where I said that it's possible some schools do give supplies? Your child went to a California school where school supplies were given. My child has gone to 5 different schools in 3 different districts in two different cities that are 500 miles apart, and all those schools were in California.
So now we know that all children in California *are not* given school supplies.
 
2014-08-04 04:27:09 AM  

TheMysticS: I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent wouldn't do it


You're a sucker. Cupcakes aren't school supplies.
 
2014-08-04 04:36:00 AM  

robohobo: im14u2c: And Kleenex... that stuff's relatively expensive, even if you buy it in bulk, if you buy the name-brand Kleenex.  I bought the 48-pack of 125-tissue boxes, and even with the bulk discount it's about $1.70/box.  That really adds up quick!  If you buy individual boxes at the grocery store the prices are easily twice that or more per tissue.

Christ, man, how often are you jerking off? That's 6000 tissues.


*chuckle*

We have four cats, and I have allergies.  I blow my nose a lot, and clean up way too many hairballs.  In over a year we went through less than half of that bulk purchase, FWIW.  Closet space is cheap, though, so I figured why not buy bulk?

Point is, as made up-thread, it's better when the school can buy its own generic supplies and buy in bulk than if individuals pay retail for name brands.  Heck, I didn't even get that great of a deal from ULINE.  I'm sure a school district could do much better than I did when ordering school district sized quantities.
 
2014-08-04 04:47:31 AM  

TheMysticS: gadian: I'm completely neutral to the idea of school uniforms, wear them or don't, but don't make parents provide them without at least a semester's notice.  As for lists of school supplies, I refuse to buy any that aren't specific to my kid.  The teacher can buy his/her own red pens, markers, and kleenex. The teacher might as well be leaving a tip jar on the desk.

 Yeah, I know, underpaid teacher with no support, but it is an occupational cost at this point.  I'll volunteer time, but the teacher can take his/her supply issue up to the district and the district can bring it up to the parents and voters.  I've suggested several specific administrative positions be eliminated for cost savings, but no one listens to me, sorry teach.

Don't have kids, do ya?

Seriously, if you do, and you don't buy what is asked for, another parent has to pick up the slack.
Lots of parents bought very little on the lists- sometimes not enough for their own child's work.
They always count on others to pick up their slack-these types- and they don't care. I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent wouldn't do it, or told their kid no, or cancelled at the last minute. Poor babies, embarrassed and sad.


So somebody told their child no to cupcakes for their birthday, and you took it upon yourself to purchase them? How did you even know when each and every child's birthday was, and whether or not their parents let them have cupcakes? Did you have rescue cupcakes with you every time you dropped your child off in the morning so you could save the day?
Maybe the parents said no because their child is allergic to an ingredient in store bought cupcakes, or is obese and prediabetic and shouldn't have any. Maybe the parents prefer to have cake and a nice dinner at home and don't want to waste 30 minutes of their child's learning time at school passing out and eating cupcakes. Shouldn't it be the parents choice what their child can and can't eat, and not yours?
 
2014-08-04 05:12:40 AM  

feckingmorons: I'll buy the ones that can't afford uniforms two sets if they promise to STFU.


That's really awesome of you. I can't wait to read about it in the local paper. It'd probably go national, I bet.
 
2014-08-04 05:30:14 AM  
For everyone on here talking about school supplies being provided or not provided by the schools, please allow me to contribute:

My mother teaches in Terrebonne Parish, Louisiana, at a school in a very affluent district. Every year, I get to see the supplies list for the following year, and every year it is essentially the same: pencils (pens aren't really welcome until the kids hit fifth grade), some folders, a binder, a pencil box for the various items, a basic calculator, blah blah blah. Nothing as anally-specific as 3-1/2" ring binder in blue, red, and yellow, etc.

And while the school provides a lot of stuff--copy paper, printer toner (laser printers! hallelujah!), enough Ticonderoga pencils to stuff an elephant's colon, and a great deal more--the school supply lists request parents bring in some very simple, not-at-all-ridiculous things for the classroom. Example: Parents are asked to bring two rolls of paper towels, a box of facial tissue (that's kleenex), a box of disinfecting wipes, and that's pretty much it. Apparently ,that request is fairly common throughout the parish for elementary schools, and no one has ever had a problem with it...that I've heard.

In exchange, the school provides things like, oh I don't know, books and friggin' computers. And desks. And chairs. And a bunch of teachers who give a rat's dick about their students.

Of course, this is a district where the superintendent does absolutely nothing and still makes four times what a highly-paid teacher does. And the same superintendent drives around in a brand-new SUV paid for by the school district because why the f**k not.

/Angry dome
//Will be in it for a while
 
2014-08-04 05:44:12 AM  

TheMysticS: I've had to buy cupcakes for a class of 20+ kids more than once (elementary kids) celebrating birthdays because the parent.... told their kid no,


I understand if the other parent said "Of course there will be cuppa cakes and iced creams and ponies oh my!" and then backed out you have to cover their slack in front of the kid.

But if the parent actually said "No. You're not getting a cupcake." maybe they had a reason.
 
2014-08-04 06:09:32 AM  
Most people don't really care about education. I live in a "superzip" with twenty or so soccer fields for our kids. The teachers are always fighting for supplies.

Americans care about cars, athleticism, and cars and athleticism on television. We should stop pretending we care about common outcomes in the classroom. We would then have an easier time allocating tax dollars.
 
2014-08-04 06:13:35 AM  

saintstryfe: 1) The reasonable list - school supplies, maybe a box of tissues. Otherwise, it's just a list of supplies. They're remarkably close to the generic "This is what you need for an 8th grader" lists we have. These are increasingly rare.

2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)

3) The Supply Shop - these lists have a few things like notebooks and pencils, but honestly? Most of it is for the classroom. One local one this year requests 6 boxes of tissues per student. Personally, I can only assume the teacher stuffs her bra and is sweaty. Another demanded a large package of paper towels - the big ones you see people wheel out of Costco. My favorite was one that also wanted parents to provide rolls of colored paper for bulletin boards.


4) The Mystery List - for reasons known only to the school district and the Teachers' Cabal, the list of sixth-grade supplies for my daughter just entering middle school is not being made available until the week before school starts - by which time all the supplies will be sold out. Because nothing prepares a child for a step up in the world like being pointlessly jerked around by unaccountable authority figures.
 
2014-08-04 06:21:31 AM  

Gulper Eel: for reasons known only to the school district and the Teachers' Cabal, the list of sixth-grade supplies for my daughter just entering middle school is not being made available until the week before school starts


Simple question: Who needs a list?

Staples:
Pens
Pencils
Notebooks
Folders
Bookbag
Lunch Money

Should Have Anyway:
Paper Knife
Scissors
Compass
Calculator
Colored Pencils
Ruler
Protractor
Triangle

Specialized:
Musical Instrument
Graphing Calculator
Tool Box
Sports Gear
Dance Outfits
Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range
Block of Kitchen Knives
Etc.
 
2014-08-04 07:17:05 AM  

optikeye: Tax free weekend here was Aug 1-3 same as in FLA apparently.
It wasn't the entire week.


Aren't clothes tax-free already?

They are in NJ. Are you telling me my state missed an opportunity to tax me?
 
2014-08-04 07:21:27 AM  

doglover: Gulper Eel: for reasons known only to the school district and the Teachers' Cabal, the list of sixth-grade supplies for my daughter just entering middle school is not being made available until the week before school starts

Simple question: Who needs a list?

Staples:
Pens
Pencils
Notebooks
Folders
Bookbag
Lunch Money

Should Have Anyway:
Paper Knife
Scissors
Compass
Calculator
Colored Pencils
Ruler
Protractor
Triangle

Specialized:
Musical Instrument
Graphing Calculator
Tool Box
Sports Gear
Dance Outfits
Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range
Block of Kitchen Knives
Etc.


Paper knife? Please speak 'Merican around here. Your likely likely to put the entire northeast on lock down using the term knife while discussing things to being to school.

They're scissors dammit. And not regular old scissors, safety scissors.
 
2014-08-04 07:23:19 AM  
Conservatism is a mental disease.
 
2014-08-04 07:24:01 AM  
Never mind the school supply talk. Is there any indication that school uniforms actually accomplish anything related to education? The only argument I've heard is that they cut down on "distractions". Growing up in the 80s surrounded by parachute pants, Thriller jackets, and fluorescent Panama Jack shirts, I still managed to learn. The only time a piece of clothing was a distraction was when a guy in my 2nd grade class pissed his parachute pants, which funneled the pee straight onto a hot radiator. And honestly, that was just some short-term sizzling.
 
2014-08-04 07:30:59 AM  
I've heard of private schools asking for supplies, my niece goes to a small private school and I have gone out with my brother and sister in law to help buy supplies. Some of the stuff on the list seems a tad specialized like left handed pencils for blind albinos, some of it not so much. But what gets me is public schools doing it, you know their budgets are bad when theyare doing this crap or jsut blowing the money on upper level pay. I've heard of some public schools sticking to a strict dress code that almost seem like uniforms, but they dont make kids buy specific things from certain stores, as long as they have navy blue pants they are fine. What really sucks is pulling this stuff in poor neighborhoods, seems like trying to get blood from a stone
 
2014-08-04 07:32:46 AM  

vicioushobbit: jst3p: CSB:

When I was in sixth grade my family moved from the Tampa Bay area to Silicon Valley.

I am not an idiot by any means, but I was almost a year behind in math based on florida vs. California standards. I had to do a shiat ton of extra work to not be held back. The last thing florida needs to be worrying about is uniforms.

I had the opposite.  Moved from Chicago to central Louisiana after third grade.  It was about a year before I hit any math I didn't see, and I felt leagues ahead of the other kids in the other subjects.

But that could have just been because I read a book every now and then.  Reading wasn't stigmatized in my first school, but certainly was in LA.


Same here...was in "honors" program in Maryland and moved to Louisiana. I was two years ahead of my classmates on pretty much everything.
 
2014-08-04 07:56:03 AM  

big pig peaches: Please speak 'Merican around here


Y'inz cahn't even spick no 'Merican n'at tah me, y'inz jag off. Don't fergeht yer gum bands n'at, neither.
 
2014-08-04 07:59:55 AM  

delsydsoftware: Is there any indication that school uniforms actually accomplish anything related to education?


They're actually quite awesome from a societal standpoint. It saves a million hours of bickering with kids and their parents over what they can and can't wear each year, too.

On the other hand, there's no real reason to have them either, except for sports teams.
 
2014-08-04 08:18:26 AM  

im14u2c: and clean up way too many hairballs.


I'd use cheap ass paper towels for that.  Cheaper and more effective.
 
2014-08-04 08:21:54 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: ReverendJasen: Making the shiats wear uniforms won't make them any smarter or improve their standardized test scores.
How about the school worry about something productive?

It helps them concentrate more in class and removes a potential element for distraction and discipline issues.


Pros of school uniforms:
1. Everyone is wearing the same thing, reduces issues with fashion, kids wearing inappropriate clothing, some kid coming in with hate-speach printed on their cloths, etc etc.
2. Gets kids used to being comfortable in smart clothing. If some poor kid isn't comfortable wearing a suit to a job interview it'll show.
3. Makes it easy for kids and parents to work out what to wear in the morning.
4. Helps locals identify which school miscreant kids go to.

Cons of school uniforms:
1. You have to buy your kids a new uniform each year as they grow out of the old one - this can be a financial hardship for poorer folks.
2. Towards the end of the year some kids will be in ill-fitting clothes due to having grown over the last few months.
3. Your kid has one less outlet through which they can express themselves as a special and unique snowflake. Boo farking hoo.

/Grew up with school uniforms.
 
2014-08-04 08:32:40 AM  
So have the uniform rule go into affect following the winter break. Problem solved and local charities can help out with uniforms for poor kids as a christmas present.

Problem solved. Now was that so farking hard or are you going to tell me they bought xmas presents already too?
 
2014-08-04 08:33:22 AM  

doglover: Gulper Eel: for reasons known only to the school district and the Teachers' Cabal, the list of sixth-grade supplies for my daughter just entering middle school is not being made available until the week before school starts

Simple question: Who needs a list?

Staples:
Pens
Pencils
Notebooks
Folders
Bookbag
Lunch Money

Should Have Anyway:
Paper Knife
Scissors
Compass
Calculator
Colored Pencils
Ruler
Protractor
Triangle

Specialized:
Musical Instrument
Graphing Calculator
Tool Box
Sports Gear
Dance Outfits
Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range
Block of Kitchen Knives
Etc.


You forgot something.

Sonic screwdriver.
 
2014-08-04 08:36:13 AM  

doglover: delsydsoftware: Is there any indication that school uniforms actually accomplish anything related to education?

They're actually quite awesome from a societal standpoint. It saves a million hours of bickering with kids and their parents over what they can and can't wear each year, too.

On the other hand, there's no real reason to have them either, except for sports teams.


Uniforms don't really fix the problem of what can and cannot be work to school. Specifically, you still get the idiots who can't understand that "two inches above the knee" (for skirt length) means just that.
 
2014-08-04 08:39:40 AM  

fusillade762: So far this time the criticism has centered on cost and the short notice.

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I'll be outraged if the school gets a kickback from the one clothes supplier that is accepted by the dress code.

/homeschool your kid and be free of school administrators
 
2014-08-04 08:40:16 AM  

maram500: Uniforms don't really fix the problem of what can and cannot be work to school.


I'd like you to stop and think about this comment for a moment. Not long, but long enough to consider what "uniform" means and how it may be at odds with the rest of your comment.

maram500: Specifically, you still get the idiots who can't understand that "two inches above the knee" (for skirt length) means just that.


For today's assignment, we're going to compare and contrast the words "what" and "how" as in "what you wear vs how you wear it".
 
2014-08-04 08:54:50 AM  
I always found it entertaining to scan the school supply list. Every year I have the same question. If every child who attends this school brings in exactly what the school demanding, where is the school storing the supplies?  They have an offsite warehouse?  I also inquired as to why they needed supplies that I never saw being used by my kids or their teacher. (I was in the classroom a lot volunteering my time). I was told by more than one teacher that they didn't know where the supplies went, they were required to turn the majority of it in to the admin. Note: don't send the supply list items in immediately. Wait a few months, send email to teacher and ask what supplies are running short. They will be more than happy to have someone send in tissues or hand cleaner when they start running low...like say in November.
 
2014-08-04 09:07:21 AM  

maram500: Specifically, you still get the idiots who can't understand that "two inches above the knee" (for skirt length) means just that.


Idiots?

Those girls try very hard to dress like they dress.

In Tokyo, it always makes me wonder that some girls will tuck their school skirt up in public to be fashionable, then do this weird hand on the butt move when walking up up stairs in the train station to prevent people from seeing their underwear.They could just untuck their damn skirt and let in hang down to the normal length and it'd be modest enough for a nun, but nope, they need that extra 10cm of leg showing after school some arcane social reason.

Then, after years of trying to expose more skin, they grow up and slowly become like Darth Vader with full skin coverage to avoid UV.

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2014-08-04 09:17:27 AM  
big pig peaches:

Aren't clothes tax-free already?

They are in NJ. Are you telling me my state missed an opportunity to tax me?


My state is one of the few that has sales taxes on grocery food (at up to 10% in some parts).  And on clothes. And, no, no 'holidays'.  When your cohort states are Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma and Kansas, you're probably in a bad cohort.  Property taxes are nothing like NJ, at least.

As for the school clothes, I'd say that about 95% of my clothes as a child were from garage sales and the church basement sale.  Do uniforms make it easier or harder to clothe your kid the way my broke-ass folks did?
 
2014-08-04 09:20:10 AM  
My 2nd graders A rated elementary school just implemented uniforms starting this school year.  We know about it (and personally voted against it) in April, passed the board in early june.  we know about and what they needed to be by end of june.

Now, main reason me and the wife voted against was my son is hard to fit.  he has short legs, and is all torso.

btw, he is on the free lunch program at his school, and yet we managed to get him some uniforms...

the "uniforms" they are required to wear consist of a polo shirt (no logo allowed other than school logo if desired), in one of 3 colors (white, light blue, and royal blue), and shorts/slacks in royal blue/navy blue.
 
2014-08-04 09:23:49 AM  

doglover: In Tokyo, it always makes me wonder that some girls will tuck their school skirt up in public to be fashionable, then do this weird hand on the butt move when walking up up stairs in the train station to prevent people from seeing their underwear.They could just untuck their damn skirt and let in hang down to the normal length and it'd be modest enough for a nun, but nope, they need that extra 10cm of leg showing after school some arcane social reason.


You're sort of new to the whole "mate attraction and selection" instinct, aren't you?
 
2014-08-04 09:24:39 AM  

Lawnchair: As for the school clothes, I'd say that about 95% of my clothes as a child were from garage sales and the church basement sale.  Do uniforms make it easier or harder to clothe your kid the way my broke-ass folks did?


School uniforms were, IME, typically fairly cheap. They're not exactly made to the highest quality standards as kids normally outgrow them in a year.

That said - I remember Scout fundraising sales always seemed to have massive buckets of school uniforms available for a few pennies each, again, because kids grow out of them each year - they're either going in the trash or getting sent to the Scouts/Church for sale.
 
2014-08-04 09:49:34 AM  
So many schools require uniforms for students but staff have free will. The female staff at my school have spaghetti string straps, short but appropriate skirts, many men wear shorts.
Start at the top and make every staff member including administrators wear the same uniform students have to.

Students uniform is polo or other short sleeved non t-shirt with school patch sewn in. They can also purchase a shirt from the school store. Blue or black pants or clean jeans
 
2014-08-04 09:50:53 AM  
I'm totally against school uniforms. We have to wear business clothes when we're adults. School is the only time when we were allowed to express ourselves in any way, and discover who we are through that expression. YES, that is important to an adolescent.

Anyone who says it cuts down on bullying is dreaming. The preppies still cling together like the airy lint they are. The stoners still find each other. The nerds still look nerdy. The alternative types still band together. And all cliques still fire shots at each other and find reasons to have their tribal battles. It's human nature.

I'm grateful that I was able to spend my time in school being myself, instead of being put into a little box designed by the administration. Sticking me in a uniform would only have been a distraction as I found ways to get around the uniform code.

We aren't paying kids to be in school. They aren't soldiers or office workers; They're students who should be encouraged to be individuals, and they should be allowed to express their personality any non-destructive, non-abusive way they choose.

Want to cut down on bullying? Punish the bullies. Treat them like the little felons they are. Don't punish the good kids, the smart kids, the artistic kids, and all the non-bullies.

Better yet, if you want to cut down on bullying, you could simply remove the athletic programs from public schools and send all the dumb jock kids to special athletic schools where they can bully each other to their heart's content. That would cut down on about 3/4 of the bullying, right there... Unless we're now including insults and teasing as "bullying", in which case you CAN'T get rid of it. There will always be assholes in this world. Kids need to learn that when they're in school, because they're going to run into those same assholes in the workplace and every place else. They might as well get a chance to thicken their skin in an environment where they aren't risking their paycheck to figure out how to either cope with it, or fight back. ... Whichever is best for them.
 
2014-08-04 10:00:17 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You're sort of new to the whole "mate attraction and selection" instinct, aren't you?


So you're into middle school and high school kids? Tell us more about that Monkeyhouse Zendo.
 
2014-08-04 10:04:31 AM  
Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals

Jesus Christ.  So who sells these uniforms?  Walmart?  That would totally make sense.
 
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2014-08-04 10:20:08 AM  

trappedspirit: Some parents at the school where 87 percent of students receive free and reduced-price meals

Jesus Christ.  So who sells these uniforms?  Walmart?  That would totally make sense.


I've seen school uniforms at Walmart, but the dress code they're talking about is more collared shirt and khakis than actual uniform. More like business casual except within certain colors.
 
2014-08-04 10:20:21 AM  

saintstryfe: SouthParkCon: As to the uniforms...let's see how many of these kids are coming to school in $100 Nike's or $20-30 shirts and jeans because it's what they "have" to wear. My kids go to a charter school that requires uniforms and it's a whole lot cheaper going back to school shopping. Having fashion as a distraction isn't an issue at the school my kids go to and I'm all for it and IMHO it does make a difference.

It's the way of the world, mate. You're judged on clothes. Look like a slob people will respond to that. Hiding kids behind the facade of a jumper or a button up shirt doesn't stop that.


Which is an argument for uniforms, not against. By having students all dress alike, you remove the stigma of poverty from the school environment so that kids focus on learning. It's not like this hasn't been proved time and again to be the case.

It's not an 8 year old's fault that his parents can't or won't pay to keep him dressed in what's currently fashionable. It's wrong to set that 8 year old up to be judged by that standard.
 
2014-08-04 10:24:29 AM  

no_tan_lines: I always found it entertaining to scan the school supply list. Every year I have the same question. If every child who attends this school brings in exactly what the school demanding, where is the school storing the supplies?  They have an offsite warehouse?  I also inquired as to why they needed supplies that I never saw being used by my kids or their teacher. (I was in the classroom a lot volunteering my time). I was told by more than one teacher that they didn't know where the supplies went, they were required to turn the majority of it in to the admin. Note: don't send the supply list items in immediately. Wait a few months, send email to teacher and ask what supplies are running short. They will be more than happy to have someone send in tissues or hand cleaner when they start running low...like say in November.


Maybe its like that KITH sketch where they have a job opening for workers but the yneed steel toe boots. So a bunch of guys go out buy steel toe boots show up to the site, they get taken out to the middle of nowhere and have their boots stolen that end up back in the shop to sell to the next group of workers.
 
2014-08-04 10:28:51 AM  

groppet: no_tan_lines: I always found it entertaining to scan the school supply list. Every year I have the same question. If every child who attends this school brings in exactly what the school demanding, where is the school storing the supplies?  They have an offsite warehouse?  I also inquired as to why they needed supplies that I never saw being used by my kids or their teacher. (I was in the classroom a lot volunteering my time). I was told by more than one teacher that they didn't know where the supplies went, they were required to turn the majority of it in to the admin. Note: don't send the supply list items in immediately. Wait a few months, send email to teacher and ask what supplies are running short. They will be more than happy to have someone send in tissues or hand cleaner when they start running low...like say in November.

Maybe its like that KITH sketch where they have a job opening for workers but the yneed steel toe boots. So a bunch of guys go out buy steel toe boots show up to the site, they get taken out to the middle of nowhere and have their boots stolen that end up back in the shop to sell to the next group of workers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWvk4eoMH4

oppps forgot to add the link
 
2014-08-04 10:29:52 AM  

saintstryfe: 2) The Hyper-Specific - "The student must have 3 1/2" round-ring 3-ring binders binders in red, yellow and blue with inserts" Problem: I've worked in office supplies for 10 years. We have never sold red blue and yellow 1/2 binders. 1/2" binders are business tools, they come in black and white. (the easy fix: A white one with colored paper inserts.). The reason for the insanity? The teachers are so obsessed with putting the student into a single organizational method that they color code and specify brands on everything. My favorite was one list this year that demanded 3 subject Mead plastic-front, plastic ringed notebooks. I've never seen them except on Amazon. I know this woulda killed me, I never liked that level of organization. Another one they love throwing: Demanding only Ticonderoga pre-sharpened pencils (that cost 6.50 a box of 20, compared to my store's 10 back unsharpened pencils, for a dollar.)



That is our daughter's list this year.  The color and material make-up (e.g., cardboard versus plastic cover in the case of pocketed folders) of every item is specified, and in many cases the brand of the item is specified (e.g., Fiskar scissors).
 
2014-08-04 10:30:42 AM  
To the people complaining about supply lists for school...you know you don't HAVE to buy that stuff, right?  Like, your kid will not get kicked out of class for not having exactly what is on that list.  If you don't want to buy tissues for the class, don't buy tissues for the class.  We buy what we know our kids will definitely need, and then wait on the ridiculous stuff, or the stuff that is obviously not for our kid to use, to see if it's absolutely necessary.  If not, we don't buy it.  Most teachers have started adding sh*t for themselves on those lists, as it's hard for them to get them from the school if it isn't deemed a necessary expense, and they don't want to spend their own money on it.
 
2014-08-04 10:30:43 AM  

ReverendJasen: Making the shiats wear uniforms won't make them any smarter or improve their standardized test scores.
How about the school worry about something productive?


Trendy, designer-label clothes (or more precisely the lack thereof) was often a source of bullying and social anxiety back when I was in grade school, and I can't imagine the problem has gotten any better since then.
 
2014-08-04 10:31:39 AM  
I'm not a parent, but if I had kids in school I'd welcome the uniforms. Don't have to tell surely preteen that, no, you can't wear juicy across the ass sweatpants to school, etc.
 
2014-08-04 10:38:05 AM  

robohobo: Ha. My local district, here in the wealthiest few townships in Johnson County, KS faced having to lay off it's entire arts dept. The locals were all
"lol, no, we'll just pay for that shiat ourselves, it costs nothing". The state said no. Other towns, on both sides of the state line chimed in saying it was unfair that we could do so. We took it to court. The state lost. Hard. Now the arts dept. is funded, salaries and supplies for years. Good times


Our daughter's school in Los Angeles had a very active PGA (equivalent to a PTA).  They actively solicited $1000 donations* per child per school year to cover the salaries of the science, PE, music, and arts instructors (who would otherwise have been let go in the latest round of budget cuts) plus covered the salaries of classroom aides in the kindergarten and first grade classrooms.

People gave (we did, too).  There was something like 694 students in the school; they PGA raised over $700,000.

Unfortunately, the Dekalk County school district won't let the PTAs here do that.  It's apparently "unfair."

*still heck of a lot cheaper than private school tuition
 
2014-08-04 10:39:50 AM  

FizixJunkee: jst3p: That kid you are buying supplies for, he or his classmate will one day be deciding whether or not you can still carry on a life worth living if you have XXX surgery. Let's provide funds for his education.


I'm happy to pay property taxes (at about $500/month, far cheaper than coastal Califoria, New Jersey, etc., but nothing to snicker at) to support quality public education, but clearly what we're paying in taxes isn't enough to support schools if parents have to buy supplies that the school district should have to pay for.

Heck, it would be better if we just wrote a check at the beginning of the school year and had the school buy supplies directly: it would be more efficient, and the school could get a wholesale discount, which would make supplies cheaper, too.  The system, as is, is broken.


I don't know....seems you can't get much more efficient than having the parents pay for the miscellaneous items needed to educate their own children.  It's not like they need to get quotes and put in a PO request that gets routed for approval before hitting a purchasing department for generation of a PO which then gets faxed to a supplier giving a promise to pay based on net 30 terms.  They just buy some pens and some Kleenex to cover their kid's fair share.  The more crotch-fruit, the more they pay.  Seems more equitable than the property tax method alone.
 
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