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2014-08-04 11:52:47 AM  
Who he is trying to impress:

www.summitdaily.com
 
2014-08-04 11:52:57 AM  

China White Tea: airsupport: China White Tea: airsupport: Hey there, Chubby, you're only 18, so right now, you still think your voice matters. Mommy and daddy made you feel that way, that you were special, that you were important, that you had valid opinions on things.

But this is the real world. You've gone from being 1/3 of a household to 1/500,000,000th of a population. Your opinions and preferences have gone from High Priority to Completely Irrelevant.

Life will beat this truth into you. You can fight it as long as you want, maybe clench those doughy fists into balls and cry about it, but you will lose.

You are nothing special. You are not a crusader. You are a dumb kid with a latent sense of parentally-granted importance and an idealist's rainbow goggles.

I can't wait to watch you fall.

...he shouted, futilely, into the internet.

He replied hypocritically, as though he had something important to add.

I'm pretty sure merely pointing out your hypocrisy isn't hypocritical in and of itself, but I can understand why you wish it were.


No, your hypocrisy comes from commenting on the pointlessness and futility of my post, a post you commented on while contributing nothing of your own. Also, drug references are cool!  You must be a badass.
 
2014-08-04 11:53:02 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The same thing happens every day just for carrying a camera.

"Your camera is making some pants-wetter nervous."

"That's their problem"

"YOU'RE OBSTRUCTING OUR INVESTIGATION!"


Damn cameras. Always killing people. Wait...
 
2014-08-04 11:54:07 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: cryinoutloud: How come these open carry nuts don't carry around their guns in a sleeve or case? It would make the same point, if their point is that they should be allowed to carry guns openly. And it would protect the guns too, from all those accidental things that sometimes happen to valuable possessions.

How many crimes are committed annually by people while open carrying?


I'm going to go ahead and guess... all of them?  The ones involving guns?
 
2014-08-04 11:54:12 AM  
That shotgun is not protecting him from the Hostess section at the supermarket
 
2014-08-04 11:54:31 AM  

Jorn the Younger: GodComplex: whitman00: zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary

So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.

I am. The police have no right to stop you unless they believe you are breaking the law. If it's not illegal to open carry then they should be able to do so unharassed. The law applies to every one, even people you don't like.

As the jerk looked under 18, the police did have a reasonable suspicion that he was breaking the law by carrying a firearm while underage.  Given that reasonable suspicion, the law allows them to ask for identification so they can determine if a law is being broken.

The law applies to everyone, even attention whoring dickless gun-nuts, and if you don't want to be asked to show your ID, don't walk around town waving a shotgun.  Also, don't try to buy booze, porn, cigarettes, or lottery tickets.


Actually, In CO which is NOT a stop and identify state the law requires you to identify yourself to police when asked,  which means TELL them your name and birthdate.  It does not require any produce form of ID except to prove your identify if are being cited or arrested.
 
2014-08-04 11:54:38 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: kim jong-un: fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.

Most shotguns are very precise. They fire different types of shells, and if its loaded with a slug its as accurate as any other firearm.

But you would know that if you had any experience with firearms other than what you learned in videogames.

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Two drinks!!
 
2014-08-04 11:55:12 AM  

China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.


www.slate.com

Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.
 
2014-08-04 11:55:45 AM  

Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: BeesNuts: You can walk to the bank. You can walk with a gun. You can walk into a bank WITH a gun. All that's kosher and should arouse no suspicion until the clown mask goes on and he fires a shell into the ceiling.

That's what he was implying you were saying. You're being very obtuse today Thae.

Nope, Bees, that is what I'm saying: it's legal to walk to the bank, even with a gun, and the police shouldn't be stopping people to interrogate them based on a legal activity.

For anyone that actually thinks this: you sweet innocent thing, you.
["guns not allowed in bank" sign]

That sign has nothing to do with the portion of my post you quoted. It has to do with the portion of my post you clipped, which I reproduce here:
As I said earlier, if the bank posts a sign that no firearms are allowed, then walking into the bank WITH the gun is trespassing.

Helpful tip- when quoting someone's post to disagree with them, make sure that the rest of their post doesn't actually agree with you. Then you just look like a troll.


So: just put that firearm in the firearm bin, situated outside the banks?!?

No, I have a better idea. Those little bushes.

www.meyerandlundahl.com

You walk it TO the bank, then stick it in the bushes because this bank's an anomaly because it doesn't seem to have one of those firearm bins outside.

Or maybe the gun just magically disappears into thin air. Like matter does. Near banks.

 Sorry: you were saying something about "looking like a troll"?

Please. Continue. So, you're walking to the bank with the firearm. You get to the bank, and...
 
2014-08-04 11:56:02 AM  

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


While I think that people who open carry are generally douche bags, I do agree that they should not be hassled unless authorized by statute (i.e. California's now defunct unloaded open carry law allowed a limited inspection to insure that the firearm was unloaded) or there is an actual reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. If no suspicion that a crime has been committed, then I do agree that he shouldn't be hassled. In this case, the encounter should have gone something like this.

"Good evening, I see that you're open carrying. It's against the law for someone under 18 to open carry a firearm, and you do appear to be right around the age of 17. Thus, I have a reasonable articulate suspicion that you are under the age of 18. May I please see your drivers license?"

Verify age. Continue encounter as a voluntary encounter. Any blow back after that, end encounter, go ahead with his day.
 
2014-08-04 11:56:20 AM  
What a dumb dick. Nobody's trying to take your guns away. All normal people want is for mentally dangerous people to not have guns. Ohhhh...OK....I understand why you did it now.
 
2014-08-04 11:56:29 AM  

China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.


You are required to be 18 to carry a gun, this kid barely looks 15, it is completely reasonable for an officer to ask for his ID to validate his age. This was not a random stop (they only do that to black people in major cities)
 
2014-08-04 11:57:03 AM  

airsupport: No, your hypocrisy comes from commenting on the pointlessness and futility of my post, a post you commented on while contributing nothing of your own. Also, drug references are cool! You must be a badass.


You seem pretty mad about this.  Given your long-winded (if inarticulate) tirade about the unimportance of Chubby McGunslinger, I would expect you to have long since come to grips with your own insignificance.
 
2014-08-04 11:57:19 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: I actually feel bad for most cops these days.  Between the 'open carry' idiots, the 'gun rights/2nd Amendment' types and the increase of the Sovereign Citizen movement around the country, coupled with the fact that none of the groups mentioned think the law pertains to THEM, means that cop has a higher than average chance of either being wounded in the line of duty now, or not returning home at all.


Actually, the rate of cops getting wounded or killed has been steadily decreasing since the 1970s. But if they're really so worried about not returning home that they need to abuse people's civil rights, then maybe they should switch to a less dangerous profession.
 
2014-08-04 11:57:32 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's exactly the same.


Seriously, bro, this is a dead end. I admire your dedication to your derp, but if you want to go COMPLETELY off the rails, cameras are the same as guns just isn't going to cut it. Not for a gun thread. There are masters of reality detachment in here. You really have to bring your AAA game to these threads.
 
2014-08-04 11:58:10 AM  

GameSprocket: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

[www.slate.com image 590x421]

Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.


I guess, if you want to pretend that ICE and police are the exact same thing, you might have a point, somewhere, in some alternate universe where that's the case.
 
MFK
2014-08-04 11:58:23 AM  

trappedspirit: monoski: tiggis: While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.

It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

COLORADO REVISED STATUTES

C.R.S. 16-3-103 (2013)

(1) A peace officer may stop any person who he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime and may require him to give his name and address, identification if available, and an explanation of his actions. A peace officer shall not require any person who is stopped pursuant to this section to produce or divulge such person's social security number. The stopping shall not constitute an arrest.

There has to be suspicion of criminal activity.


Here's the thing that I think is getting lost here: carrying a shotgun down the street for no reason is not normal. It's odd and most assuredly anti-social behavior. We have reached the point in our civilization where it's reasonable to expect to walk down to the 7-11 and not have the need to defend yourself. The people who do carry openly in situations like this are typically on their way to shoot something or someone therefore it's reasonable for a cop to be suspicious of criminal activity - or they are just attention whoring with a lethal weapon for no reason other than to make a point - also abnormal behavior in our society.

Now you can say "oh, he's technically allowed to do this because it's legal" and you would be right, but that doesn't mean it's not completely farked up. It's not a tennis racket it's a device that can kill someone very easily.
 
2014-08-04 11:58:50 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: cryinoutloud: How come these open carry nuts don't carry around their guns in a sleeve or case? It would make the same point, if their point is that they should be allowed to carry guns openly. And it would protect the guns too, from all those accidental things that sometimes happen to valuable possessions.

How many crimes are committed annually by people while open carrying?


I don;t know about open carry, but the few states that seem to track it on any level show that ccw permit holders have a crime rate far below that of the population at large, and the most common crimes are not gun related (ie DUI or public intoxication). Wouldn't surprise me terribly if people openly carrying reflected that a bit for two reasons:

1) a lot of places you need a permit (either hunting or ccw) to openly carry
2) a person without much regard to the law is unlikely to be openly carrying for long
 
2014-08-04 11:58:56 AM  

monoski: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

You are required to be 18 to carry a gun, this kid barely looks 15, it is completely reasonable for an officer to ask for his ID to validate his age. This was not a random stop (they only do that to black people in major cities)


I looked like I was in high school up until I turned 21. At that point they asked me for my I.D. every time because I looked 19
 
2014-08-04 11:59:10 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Yet another doughy pantload compensating for losing his penis in his pubes.


I'll bet it makes you feel like a real man to say that.
 
2014-08-04 12:00:23 PM  

rwdavis: If you see somebody with a hammer it is reasonable to assume that they are going to hit a nail into some wood, if you see somebody with a screwdriver it is reasonable to assume they are trying to get drunk. If you see somebody with a shotgun, it is reasonable to assume they're going to shoot something with it and there's not too many things in the middle of a peaceful city that are legal to shoot.


Your logic is broken and your head malfunctions in thought.  You might be a nice enough person but please do not ever vote or have anything to do with the law making process.  I seriously doubt you do anyway.
 
2014-08-04 12:00:28 PM  

CRtwenty: These open carry guys are doing more to support new gun restrictions than any politician ever could.

And they don't even realize it.


Well, in California the open carry guys got open carry banned, which essentially turned the state from a "may issue" to "shall issue" state. Win-win for everyone.
 
2014-08-04 12:00:29 PM  

GameSprocket: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

[www.slate.com image 590x421]

Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg

Here is a link so you know youre wrong.
 
2014-08-04 12:00:30 PM  

monoski: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

You are required to be 18 to carry a gun, this kid barely looks 15, it is completely reasonable for an officer to ask for his ID to validate his age. This was not a random stop (they only do that to black people in major cities)


re: fully aware that all ask for I.D.s

Also aware that when I turned 21, at least half the stores tended to not ask if they knew for a fact the person was 21 and older.

Now, if a manager orders someone to never ask a particular customer for I.D. the manager may be fired.
 
2014-08-04 12:00:32 PM  

China White Tea: GameSprocket: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

[www.slate.com image 590x421]

Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.

I guess, if you want to pretend that ICE and police are the exact same thing, you might have a point, somewhere, in some alternate universe where that's the case.


Please explain the difference between an armed officer asking for your identification and an armed officer asking for your identification. This should be interesting. Oh I get it, ICE is only interested in you if you are brown.
 
2014-08-04 12:01:56 PM  

Jackpot777: Theaetetus: Jackpot777: Theaetetus: BeesNuts: You can walk to the bank. You can walk with a gun. You can walk into a bank WITH a gun. All that's kosher and should arouse no suspicion until the clown mask goes on and he fires a shell into the ceiling.

That's what he was implying you were saying. You're being very obtuse today Thae.

Nope, Bees, that is what I'm saying: it's legal to walk to the bank, even with a gun, and the police shouldn't be stopping people to interrogate them based on a legal activity.

For anyone that actually thinks this: you sweet innocent thing, you.
["guns not allowed in bank" sign]

That sign has nothing to do with the portion of my post you quoted. It has to do with the portion of my post you clipped, which I reproduce here:
As I said earlier, if the bank posts a sign that no firearms are allowed, then walking into the bank WITH the gun is trespassing.

Helpful tip- when quoting someone's post to disagree with them, make sure that the rest of their post doesn't actually agree with you. Then you just look like a troll.

So: just put that firearm in the firearm bin, situated outside the banks?!?

No, I have a better idea. Those little bushes.

[www.meyerandlundahl.com image 600x448]

You walk it TO the bank, then stick it in the bushes because this bank's an anomaly because it doesn't seem to have one of those firearm bins outside.

Or maybe the gun just magically disappears into thin air. Like matter does. Near banks.

 Sorry: you were saying something about "looking like a troll"?


I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve here, Jackpot. I agreed with you. You responded to a post of mine in which I explicitly said the exact same thing you're saying. And yet you're still frothing at the mouth.

I'm going to go talk to other people now. You're weird.
 
2014-08-04 12:03:16 PM  

JPINFV: CRtwenty: These open carry guys are doing more to support new gun restrictions than any politician ever could.

And they don't even realize it.

Well, in California the open carry guys got open carry banned, which essentially turned the state from a "may issue" to "shall issue" state. Win-win for everyone.


I was going to comment that this kid was doing his position more harm than good, but I'm glad you actually have an example.

God, what a bunch of pantloads.
 
2014-08-04 12:03:41 PM  
Looks more like a picked on, bitter, tubby POS on his way to shoot up a high school than someone flaunting an open carry right.  If police didn't stop and question him, they'd be derelict in their duty to prevent picked on, bitter, tubby POSs from shooting up schools.  Of course a responsible gun owner is responsible until the very second they take out their first cheerleader, so gotta let him kill someone before you ask him any questions at all.
 
2014-08-04 12:03:53 PM  

Brainsick: LemSkroob: Mrs.Sharpier: LemSkroob: When my aunt was goring up in Brooklyn, she around age 13, would take a rifle and her little brother (age 6) on the New York City subway, to go to and from a shooting range fairly frequently.

total number of farks given by everyone else: 0

I doubt that

and you would be wrong. This was in the late 50s

Tell me, did she have it in a case, or wrapped in some way? Or was she carrying it Annie Oakley style on a shoulder sling with a belt full of rounds draped fetchingly across her hips?


LemSkroob: It was in a sleeve, but a gun sleeve is still very obvious. Have a pair of unaccompanied minors in brooklyn with a gun sleeve and it would be national news today


There you go, then.
 
2014-08-04 12:05:39 PM  

Theaetetus: Actually, the rate of cops getting wounded or killed has been steadily decreasing since the 1970s. But if they're really so worried about not returning home that they need to abuse people's civil rights, then maybe they should switch to a less dangerous profession.


Umm, what civil right does one have to walk down the street armed?  And don't give me the 2nd Amendment, since nowhere does it state that you have the right to carry a weapon on your person at all times.

GameSprocket: Please explain the difference between an armed officer asking for your identification and an armed officer asking for your identification. This should be interesting. Oh I get it, ICE is only interested in you if you are brown.


So, you're argument is that a LEO should never have the right to question you, even if it's to verify that you might be of the proper age to do what this dipshiat kid did?  He can SAY he's 18, but unless the officers could verify that information, he's in the wrong.  But I'm sure in your world, all LEO's are considered suspect, even if they are just doing their job.
 
2014-08-04 12:05:52 PM  

I alone am best: GameSprocket: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

[www.slate.com image 590x421]

Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg

Here is a link so you know youre wrong.


OK, I actually didn't think you could just do that. I will do something unusual of Fark and just concede the point.
 
2014-08-04 12:06:03 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: rwdavis: If you see somebody with a hammer it is reasonable to assume that they are going to hit a nail into some wood, if you see somebody with a screwdriver it is reasonable to assume they are trying to get drunk. If you see somebody with a shotgun, it is reasonable to assume they're going to shoot something with it and there's not too many things in the middle of a peaceful city that are legal to shoot.

So police officers are just there to shoot people and we should all citizen's arrest them before the carnage starts?
Or do you mean, the police officer carry's one, just in case he needs it?


Do police officers regularly wander around with their shotguns?  Normally they're carried in a locked rack inside the vehicle unless there's trouble.
 
2014-08-04 12:07:42 PM  

Jackpot777: In a completely unrelated note, most gun deaths are suicides.


Reminds me of this:

Zombie Survival Strategies

Zombie | Strategy
Slow + Dumb | Walk past them / baseball bat
Slow + Smart | Stay mobile / baseball bat
Fast + Dumb | Hole up in a secure location with food and a sniper rifle
Fast + Smart | Sort shotguns by barrel flavor
 
2014-08-04 12:07:45 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: GameSprocket: Please explain the difference between an armed officer asking for your identification and an armed officer asking for your identification. This should be interesting. Oh I get it, ICE is only interested in you if you are brown.

So, you're argument is that a LEO should never have the right to question you, even if it's to verify that you might be of the proper age to do what this dipshiat kid did? He can SAY he's 18, but unless the officers could verify that information, he's in the wrong. But I'm sure in your world, all LEO's are considered suspect, even if they are just doing their job.


No, I was claiming that there are a lot of times when people are required to produce papers for the authorities. Turns out that in the example I picked, you can just tell them to fark off.
 
2014-08-04 12:08:11 PM  

skozlaw: Lenny_da_Hog: It's exactly the same.

Seriously, bro, this is a dead end. I admire your dedication to your derp, but if you want to go COMPLETELY off the rails, cameras are the same as guns just isn't going to cut it. Not for a gun thread. There are masters of reality detachment in here. You really have to bring your AAA game to these threads.


Why play the detachment game like you do? You're the one who can't quite get those associative synapses to fire, to understand that your unreasonable fear of legal activities doesn't equate to reasonable suspicion.
 
2014-08-04 12:08:25 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: cryinoutloud: How come these open carry nuts don't carry around their guns in a sleeve or case? It would make the same point, if their point is that they should be allowed to carry guns openly. And it would protect the guns too, from all those accidental things that sometimes happen to valuable possessions.

How many crimes are committed annually by people while open carrying?


isn't any armed robbery in an open carry state committed while open carrying?
 
2014-08-04 12:09:33 PM  

GameSprocket: China White Tea: GameSprocket: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

[www.slate.com image 590x421]

Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.

I guess, if you want to pretend that ICE and police are the exact same thing, you might have a point, somewhere, in some alternate universe where that's the case.

Please explain the difference between an armed officer asking for your identification and an armed officer asking for your identification. This should be interesting. Oh I get it, ICE is only interested in you if you are brown.


Well for starters, their effective legal authority to demand ID is limited in scope to border crossings.  They can ask in other areas, and you can refuse (as demonstrated in the video someone else posted), and they can gnash their teeth, but they don't really have any enforcement authority.
 
2014-08-04 12:09:35 PM  

GameSprocket: No, I was claiming that there are a lot of times when people are required to produce papers for the authorities. Turns out that in the example I picked, you can just tell them to fark off.


Ok, that's understandable.  But in this kid's case, the officers were trying to verify that he was of legal age, and he refused to produce ID.  In his case, he was completely wrong, which was why he was cited with a misdemeanor.
 
2014-08-04 12:10:01 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Umm, what civil right does one have to walk down the street armed?  And don't give me the 2nd Amendment, since nowhere does it state that you have the right to carry a weapon on your person at all times.


the shall not be infringed part isn't floating yer boat?
 
2014-08-04 12:11:48 PM  

born_yesterday: JPINFV: CRtwenty: These open carry guys are doing more to support new gun restrictions than any politician ever could.

And they don't even realize it.

Well, in California the open carry guys got open carry banned, which essentially turned the state from a "may issue" to "shall issue" state. Win-win for everyone.

I was going to comment that this kid was doing his position more harm than good, but I'm glad you actually have an example.

God, what a bunch of pantloads.


Open carry ban:  http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/02/california-outlaws-open-carry-of-unlo a ded-handguns/

Article on the CCW challenge: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/03/california-concealed-weapo n /

To be fair, CA was trying really hard to have its cake and eat it too by arguing that CCW can be heavily restricted (and practically banned in urban areas) because, hey, you can open carry... while doing as much to discourage open carry as possible. Now that said, unloaded open carry is pants on head stupid anyways.
 
2014-08-04 12:11:49 PM  

patrick767: DrBenway: spawn73:
Nice troll.

No, he isn't.

If it looks like a duck...


Yeah, but he isn't a nice one.

And speaking of trolling, if the kid really wanted to do it right, he should have busted out the camo gear.

As far as their line of their inquiry went in dealing with him, the cops were pretty cool (for cops). Based on where the kid's shtick was going, I thought for a moment we were heading towards a P. Barnes moment, but no. Pity, that -- I could use the laughs.
 
2014-08-04 12:12:39 PM  

Headso: the shall not be infringed part isn't floating yer boat?


It doesn't give a person the civil right of being armed at all times.  If it did, then states wouldn't have the freedom to make laws determining if you can or can't legally.

But you go right on believing otherwise.
 
2014-08-04 12:12:46 PM  

Headso: AurizenDarkstar: Umm, what civil right does one have to walk down the street armed?  And don't give me the 2nd Amendment, since nowhere does it state that you have the right to carry a weapon on your person at all times.

the shall not be infringed part isn't floating yer boat?


How about the whole "regulated militia" part?  How come that part always seems to get lopped off?
 
2014-08-04 12:12:48 PM  

gadian: Looks more like a picked on, bitter, tubby POS on his way to shoot up a high school than someone flaunting an open carry right.  If police didn't stop and question him, they'd be derelict in their duty to prevent picked on, bitter, tubby POSs from shooting up schools.  Of course a responsible gun owner is responsible until the very second they take out their first cheerleader, so gotta let him kill someone before you ask him any questions at all.


So they talk to him out of their idle curiosity, and he gave a reasonable response. They still wanted to "investigate" after that reasonable response, and then they wanted to punish him after that reasonable response for not submitting to further investigation.
 
2014-08-04 12:12:49 PM  

GameSprocket: I alone am best: GameSprocket: China White Tea: monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.

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Internal immigration checkpoints would like to argue with you as soon as they are done checking your papers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg

Here is a link so you know youre wrong.

OK, I actually didn't think you could just do that. I will do something unusual of Fark and just concede the point.


90% of the people in this thread didnt know you could do that so I will let you slide. You can do the same thing to the police unless you are detained or arrested. The issue in this case is the kid looks young so if he did go to court the judge will be the deciding factor on whether or not the police acted in a reasonable manner.

Once you are detained or arrested a request for your ID is no longer a request and is considered a lawful command. Not complying with lawful command can carry repercussions.
 
2014-08-04 12:13:00 PM  

GameSprocket: No, I was claiming that there are a lot of times when people are required to produce papers for the authorities. Turns out that in the example I picked, you can just tell them to fark off.


That's the thing:  Most of the situations where people are told they're "required" to produce papers for the authorities, you can just tell them to fark off.  There really aren't a lot of times when you can be REQUIRED to produce papers for the authorities.  What there are, are a lot of times when they can claim you're required to produce papers.
 
2014-08-04 12:13:01 PM  
Jesus farking Christ, America.
 
2014-08-04 12:13:35 PM  

room at the top: Nutsac_Jim: cryinoutloud: How come these open carry nuts don't carry around their guns in a sleeve or case? It would make the same point, if their point is that they should be allowed to carry guns openly. And it would protect the guns too, from all those accidental things that sometimes happen to valuable possessions.

How many crimes are committed annually by people while open carrying?

isn't any armed robbery in an open carry state committed while open carrying?


No. Armed robbery is breaking the law. Open carry is the legal carrying of a weapon in public, which precludes use in illegal activities by its very nature.
 
2014-08-04 12:14:15 PM  

tarkus1980: He has the right to do this, yes, but if your primary motivation for doing something is "I have a right to do this," you're probably an asshole.


Fartbongo, is that you bro?
 
2014-08-04 12:14:23 PM  
zamboni Simple Simon: TuteTibiImperes: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

He wasn't cited for carrying the gun, he was cited for refusing to provide identification, which was a valid request as by his appearance it was not clear whether or not he was old enough to be legally carrying the weapon.

He has no grounds to stand on to sue.

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary
 
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