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(The Raw Story)   Teenager in Aurora, Colorado trots around town carrying a shotgun, says he's free to do what he wants and to hell with everyone still concerned about the theater shooting; he has the Second Amendment on his side   (rawstory.com ) divider line 1161
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2014-08-04 10:59:05 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Well, yes... People are allowed to walk to the bank, even with friends.

What exactly are you arguing for here? Everyone who even thinks about going to a bank should immediately be stopped by the police?

Are you okay? Are you not getting enough oxygen or do you have any numbness in your limbs or face? If you think you might be having a stroke, call 911 immediately to prevent additional brain death.


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2014-08-04 10:59:13 AM  

Veloram: MagSeven: /show me any shotgun as accurate as a rifle.
//I guess they're all pretty accurate if you're close enough.

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I introduce to you, the AA-12


Our Weapons will be Boxy in the Future
 
2014-08-04 11:00:10 AM  
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www.wearysloth.com

Shame about Hitler.. Those moustaches are just the thing to divert attention from the acreage of jowel.
 
2014-08-04 11:00:49 AM  

sycraft: Lots of jackass awards to go around here. Kid is a grade A jackass for walking around with a big gun strapped to his back. Yes you CAN do it, but there is no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. He was looking to start trouble, and he got trouble. I have zero sympathy for him.

However the people calling 911 are also jackasses. Seriously people need to stop wetting their pants every time someone without a uniform has a gun. Yes, lots of people have guns in the US. It is what it is. Lots of them carry them too, you just don't know it. Shut up, put on your big boy pants, and stop wasting emergency services' time with this shiat. You are NOT helping prevent a crime.

Also the police are being jackasses here. They were looking for a reason to arrest the guy, though they knew they didn't have one. The "Oh he wouldn't give us his ID," it bogus as they know you needn't carry ID when you are walking around. They didn't like what he was doing so they were going to find some reason to arrest him.

Everyone involved needs to go, settle the fark down, and stop being an asshat.

I really am getting tired of the "open carry" asshats though. Just stop it retards. It doesn't make you look tough, it makes you look stupid.


A pasty teenager toting a shotgun through town is most definitely something alarming to normal people, given how many mass shootings we've seen over the past few years. And the cops have no reason to believe he's of legal age with a face like that, so asking for ID is most definitely acceptable.
 
2014-08-04 11:00:54 AM  

FightDirector: BeesNuts: FightDirector: BeesNuts: FightDirector: BeesNuts: Much better to have 13 year olds putting the muzzles of guns up to their eyes to "see if they're loaded".

If you teach them how the gun works instead of letting them come across a gun at home or a friend's house and having them muddle through it on their own, they're a lot less likely to do that.

If education is the way to fix issues with teen pregnancy rates, why is education not the way to fix issues with teen accidental shooting rates?

We all see how apolitical and sensible sex ed has turned out in this country, after all.

I never said this wouldn't be political.  I said that it needs to happen so we a) have kids stop accidentally shooting themselves and others, and b) so we raise a generation of adults that doesn't go all #firearmtrigger every damn time they see a firearm in ANY setting.

We can start with a pilot program in Philly.


Go for it.  Unless, of course, you think it's better to have kids accidentally killing people WHEN - not if - they find a gun.  Since the guns aren't going anywhere and all.


Also, I forgot to mention, as well during the last post, how artfully you dodged the question:

If education is the way to fix issues with teen pregnancy rates, why is education not the way to fix issues with teen accidental shooting rates?

Care to take another swing?


"education" isn't "Education".  Unfortunately we don't seem to have access to the former here when it comes to political topics.

Kids aren't shooting each other accidentally.  It really doesn't happen much.  What DOES happen is that mentally unstable people with access to firearms have a trigger event.

Only some 8% of homicides from 2007-2010 in Philly involved juveniles.  The data don't reveal how many perpetrators of each age bracket there were, so I suppose it's possible that all 27 over that 4 year period were killed because of a lack of education, but I doubt it.  You're chasing a problem that doesn't exist.  Whether that's because it's what the NRA says would work, or because you somehow came up with this idea on your own, I've no idea.

Make sure we have the means to teach Science, Math, English, social science and sex ed, because they are all specifically important to the future academic and professional careers of ALL children.  Then we can talk about prioritizing pet-educational projects.
 
2014-08-04 11:02:37 AM  

DrBenway: spawn73: 
Nice troll.

No, he isn't.


If it looks like a duck...
 
2014-08-04 11:03:30 AM  

dookdookdook: jso2897: Calm down. No one really wants to see anything bad happen to this dumb kid

Speak for yourself.  It would've been farking hilarious if he'd blown his own face off during a news interview about his being a massive cockbagproud second amendment advocacy.


Then there's something wrong with you.  The boy may be an idiot and an asshole, but he doesn't deserve to be maimed or killed.  At most maybe a stern lecture and a few hours of community service, IF he's breaking any laws.

Why wish painful injury or death on any member of the pro-gun crowd, anyway?  Hows does that make sense?  Isn't the whole point of being anti-gun that you want to PREVENT injury and death?
 
2014-08-04 11:03:45 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: BeesNuts: Bit'O'Gristle: 911, what is your EMERGENCY?

(caller) OMG...there is some guy, walking down the street with a big scary shotgun!!  Get teh cops out here...aahhhhhh)

Ok, so what is this guy doing exactly?

Well, he's just walking down the street...but...but...BIG SCARY GUN!!

Um...ok.  Have you seen him point it at anyone? Or a car? Or anything? Has he robbed a store? Or held someone up?

Well, not that i have seen, he's just walking...but..but ...SCARY...

Uhmm....you do know that people are allowed to carry in this state right?  Unless he has broken a law, there is nothing we can do without violating his rights. So unless you have seen him do something that is against the law,  don't call the police. He has the right to carry, and we can't just stop him for no reason.  No law broken, no stop.  Would you like our officers to just pull you over for no reason? To fish for crimes on you? When you had done nothing wrong at all?  Call back when you have a real emergency.

You know how you can call 911 to report drunk driving?

/Drunk driving is against the law.  Walking down the street in this city / state with a firearm is not.  Your argument is moot.


You have never called 911, been involved in a crime, or threatened with a firearm or weapon of any sort, have you?
 
2014-08-04 11:03:50 AM  
Because Aurora never actually happened. Much like that school in Newtown, just a pair of elaborate stories made up to give a push for legislation.
 
2014-08-04 11:04:03 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Lohner then proceeds to argue with the officers, refusing to show them ID or hand over the shotgun insisting he hasn't committed a crime before being cited by the officer on a misdemeanor obstruction charge for refusing to show his identification

I thought the police could hold you for 24 hours to determine your identity if you refused to present proper identification during an investigation. And all police stops are investigations.


I'm pretty sure they can detain you to verify your identity, but if you provide them with your name, they can't charge you for failing to i.d.
 
2014-08-04 11:04:16 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: 1. the cop tells him he HAS to produce ID, even though he really doesn't. (the cop asks, doesn't demand)


That kid looks barely old enough to grow facial hair.

cryinoutloud: You could have stopped right there where he thinks that cops are liberals.


The police in Aurora, Colorado are notoriously liberal which is why they're so edgy about people carrying firearms around town. If anything, the theater shooting a couple years ago has only made them more liberal than they already were. /s

Time for me to bow out of this thread and get some work done but here's a good response to all the open carry idiots:

http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/07/06/please-open-carriers-stop -d efending-my-rights/
 
2014-08-04 11:05:01 AM  

nocturnal001: Gain inches to your penis with this one weird trick....

....walk around in public scaring people with a gun.


DRUNK!!
 
2014-08-04 11:05:03 AM  

xria: Now I am imagining "Toy Story" but where Andy has a collection of guns that play together whenever he is out of the room.


That would never have worked, because half of the "toys" would have shot each other while he was gone. Would have wrecked the story line.

LemSkroob: When my aunt was goring up in Brooklyn, she around age 13, would take a rifle and her little brother (age 6) on the New York City subway, to go to and from a shooting range fairly frequently.
total number of farks given by everyone else: 0


I bet it was in a case. Did you ever ask her that? Because most sensible people would put a gun in a case if they're taking it on public transportation somewhere.

How come these open carry nuts don't carry around their guns in a sleeve or case? It would make the same point, if their point is that they should be allowed to carry guns openly. And it would protect the guns too, from all those accidental things that sometimes happen to valuable possessions.

I guess it's because their point isn't really that they just want to be allowed to open carry--their point is more that they just like to be huge dicks and try to intimidate people.
 
2014-08-04 11:05:15 AM  

mike_d85: vudukungfu: Looks like the kid from 3 1/2 men.

I'm not sure if that's a typo or a fat joke.


They had another actor come on when Sheen's sinuses prolapsed.
 
2014-08-04 11:05:30 AM  
While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.
 
2014-08-04 11:06:34 AM  

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Well, yes... People are allowed to walk to the bank, even with friends.

What exactly are you arguing for here? Everyone who even thinks about going to a bank should immediately be stopped by the police?

Are you okay? Are you not getting enough oxygen or do you have any numbness in your limbs or face? If you think you might be having a stroke, call 911 immediately to prevent additional brain death.

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The funny thing is that we're probably not too far apart on the actual issue and are talking past each other. And thanks for the laugh, I've always loved that little bit of Mr Rogers.
 
2014-08-04 11:07:36 AM  
Epic Fap Session:

People like this tub of santorum

They filled a vat with essence of Senator Rick Santorum?
 
2014-08-04 11:08:05 AM  

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


Done in one.  Pack it up and go home, folks.  From a legal POV.

However, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.  I would think that this kids parents would point out that carrying a shotgun in Aurora is probably not the best idea in the world and that people will probably over-react to it.  He has the right to do it, but he should exercise some common sense and think about how other people might react to this and maybe exercise a modicum of restraint to avoid fanning the flames over the issue of carrying openly in a town that was the site of a mass murder.
 
2014-08-04 11:08:47 AM  
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2014-08-04 11:08:50 AM  

tiggis: While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.


It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.
 
2014-08-04 11:08:55 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: 911, what is your EMERGENCY?

(caller) OMG...there is some guy, walking down the street with a big scary shotgun!!  Get teh cops out here...aahhhhhh)

Ok, so what is this guy doing exactly?

Well, he's just walking down the street...but...but...BIG SCARY GUN!!

Um...ok.  Have you seen him point it at anyone? Or a car? Or anything? Has he robbed a store? Or held someone up?

Well, not that i have seen, he's just walking...but..but ...SCARY...

Uhmm....you do know that people are allowed to carry in this state right?  Unless he has broken a law, there is nothing we can do without violating his rights. So unless you have seen him do something that is against the law,  don't call the police. He has the right to carry, and we can't just stop him for no reason.  No law broken, no stop.  Would you like our officers to just pull you over for no reason? To fish for crimes on you? When you had done nothing wrong at all?  Call back when you have a real emergency.


((11 caller) Hey, it's me again. That guy, walking down the street in Aurora with a big scary shotgun for no apparent reason?  Yeah, he just shot up the movie theater.  Could you maybe send an officer with a mop.  Thanks, bye-bye.
 
2014-08-04 11:11:13 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Open carry asshats are this generation's anti-flag-burning zealots.  They don't understand abstractions like liberty and citizenship but goddamn do they understand how to fetishize objects instead.

It's too bad that, unlike the flag-wavers, who just got steamed in the face and did no harm, these chubby losers are running interference for the next mass shooting to occur, currently on the clock.


Actually, the open carry guys would be analogous to the flag burners. The anti-flag-burners were the ones who could not distinguish between the RIGHT to do something, and the popularity of doing something. The open carry crowd is forcing the issue on 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights, like the flag burners did for the 1st. The anti-flag-burners are more closely aligned to those who say "it makes people uncomfortable, so it shouldn't be allowed or done".
 
2014-08-04 11:12:01 AM  

CallMeGomer: A blanket statement like yours is just as bad. "As accurate as any other firearm." Gauge, choke, barrel length, type of firearm you are going up against. My Bullpup can hit sh*t past 20 feet.


We could just say, "Firearms are designed for specific distances/uses and accuracy depends a great deal on the users ability".
 
2014-08-04 11:12:12 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Well, yes... People are allowed to walk to the bank, even with friends.

What exactly are you arguing for here? Everyone who even thinks about going to a bank should immediately be stopped by the police?

Are you okay? Are you not getting enough oxygen or do you have any numbness in your limbs or face? If you think you might be having a stroke, call 911 immediately to prevent additional brain death.

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The funny thing is that we're probably not too far apart on the actual issue and are talking past each other. And thanks for the laugh, I've always loved that little bit of Mr Rogers.


Most likely. Personally, I think that the 2nd amendment does guarantee an individual right to keep and bear arms, and the police shouldn't hassle people for doing something that is completely legal and constitutionally protected, any more than they should hassle someone for "lookin' suspicious"... but I also think that both these open carry idiots and anyone else who carries a gun around, concealed or otherwise, are dangerous nutbags who should be referred for psychological counseling.

And the best part of that Rogers clip is the "ha ha ha, fark you; no, I'm serious, fark you" second bird. :)
 
2014-08-04 11:12:16 AM  
Don't you just know that when this guy raises his hand, everybody else in class groans and rolls their eyes?
 
2014-08-04 11:13:07 AM  
I love how the Fascist righties always back the cops unless the headline has "gun" in it. Suddenly they become anti-authoritarians that are terribly concerned with our civil rights.
 
2014-08-04 11:14:02 AM  

monoski: tiggis: While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.

It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police if you have been legally detained or arrested.


It is legal to refuse to show your ID to the police if you have not been detained.

/mind you, the police are not the ones to argue to about that legality, since their grasp of the law is questionable, at best
 
2014-08-04 11:15:40 AM  

Bonzo_1116: These douchenozzles would do their cause much better service by inviting a friend who never held a gun to the range. Parading around visibly armed while claiming it's so he could defend himself and others from some vaporous "enemy" smacks of dumbass comic book heroics.

Was he walking around some dodgy neighborhood escorting fair maidens home from a kegger?


1) I really doubt this dude has many "friends" in real life. I'm sure he has many deep relationships on facebook.
2) Taking someone to a range and explaining how everything works is a little too much like work which I suspect he avoids like the plague.
3) It doesn't get him attention from his facebook friends who will praise his stupidity and pointless confrontation.
 
2014-08-04 11:15:46 AM  

Strolpol: And the cops have no reason to believe he's of legal age with a face like that, so asking for ID is most definitely acceptable.


Uh... legal age to what?  AFAICT from a bit of cursory Googling, there are neither federal nor Colorado state laws restricting the possession of a long gun to those over the age of 18.

http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-or-possess-firearms- in -colorado/

http://smartgunlaws.org/federal-law-on-minimum-age-to-purchase-posse ss /
 
2014-08-04 11:15:50 AM  

xria: Now I am imagining "Toy Story" but where Andy has a collection of guns that play together whenever he is out of the room.


That, or "Ida Know"/ "Not Me"/ "Nobody" gremlins from Family Circus.
 
2014-08-04 11:16:45 AM  
Trolls are funny in these kind of threads:

"So what it's legal"
"Yeah, we know.. he's still a twat"
"But it's legal nngg!"
"Uuh, yeah.. Anyway, look at the stupid fat virgin haha"
"fhhhssssgggg 2nd Amendment!"
"Dude, we know .. Check it out, he's even called Loner! hahaha"
"PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!"

/and scene
 
2014-08-04 11:17:12 AM  

pendy575: . He was under no obligation to provide identification unless they told him exactly why he was being asked


LOL wut?


Try that next time a cop asks for your ID, just, really be specific and tell them you DEMAND to know why they want to see your identification; that should go over well. Here in Seattle, looking at a cop for too long is an arrestable offense, let alone taking a picture of one, so I won't be trying that anytime soon...
 
2014-08-04 11:17:42 AM  

monoski: It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.


...really, you think "Papers please" is the law of the land?  That would be adorable if it weren't so sad, but you are, in fact, objectively wrong.
 
2014-08-04 11:18:14 AM  

FightDirector: Theaetetus: Hey, now, I asked the question honestly. Unlike you, I do perceive a person with a gun in a hip holster going about their business the same as someone with a rifle slung over their shoulder: potentially dangerous nutbag, and a good time for me to leave.

Difficulty: plainclothes cop.  At least around Cincinnati, we've got a ton of them, and they all wear their badges on neck-holders under their shirts, which they can pull out of they need to.  Which means, in effect, that you've got guys walking around in khakis and polo shirts, with a hip holster with a Sig, Glock, or M&P in there who are exactly the people whom people profess to want to have guns available.

How do you tell them from the civilians by sight?


Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Well, yes... People are allowed to walk to the bank, even with friends.

What exactly are you arguing for here? Everyone who even thinks about going to a bank should immediately be stopped by the police?

Are you okay? Are you not getting enough oxygen or do you have any numbness in your limbs or face? If you think you might be having a stroke, call 911 immediately to prevent additional brain death.

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You can walk to the bank.  You can walk with a gun.  You can walk into a bank WITH a gun.  All that's kosher and should arouse no suspicion until the clown mask goes on and he fires a shell into the ceiling.

That's what he was implying you were saying.  You're being very obtuse today Thae.
 
2014-08-04 11:18:54 AM  
Seems to me that if the gun rights advocates really want to get people on their side, they'll stop pulling dumbass stunts like this. Seeing some moron marching down the street brandishing a shotgun is not going to convince anyone who is against guns to change their viewpoint. If anything, this idiot and idiots like him who do stupid crap like carry AK-47's into fast food joints are going to get MORE people to jump to the ban-guns side of the fence.
 
2014-08-04 11:20:56 AM  

ShadowkahnCRX: Seems to me that if the gun rights advocates really want to get people on their side, they'll stop pulling dumbass stunts like this. Seeing some moron marching down the street brandishing a shotgun is not going to convince anyone who is against guns to change their viewpoint. If anything, this idiot and idiots like him who do stupid crap like carry AK-47's into fast food joints are going to get MORE people to jump to the ban-guns side of the fence.


I don't know what you're talking about. It's obviously an isolated incident like all the other times things like this have happened.

Also, nobody's defending him, but 2nd amendment and legal and liberals and pants-shiatting so therefore reasons.
 
2014-08-04 11:21:27 AM  

tiggis: While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.


I would like to see you all defending a local weird dude who likes to sit in the park and look at kids all day the same way you're defending this guy.  Mind you, local weird dude does nothing but sit there, on public land that his taxes even fund, but man does he freak out the parents and locals.

Half of the people defending this "rights crusader" would want this "creepy pervert" strung up by his nuts, even if he never so much as spoke a word to anyone and just sat there, as is his right to do. Because there's no "park rights" movement.
 
2014-08-04 11:22:05 AM  

ciberido: dookdookdook: jso2897: Calm down. No one really wants to see anything bad happen to this dumb kid

Speak for yourself.  It would've been farking hilarious if he'd blown his own face off during a news interview about his being a massive cockbagproud second amendment advocacy.

Then there's something wrong with you.  The boy may be an idiot and an asshole, but he doesn't deserve to be maimed or killed.  At most maybe a stern lecture and a few hours of community service, IF he's breaking any laws.

Why wish painful injury or death on any member of the pro-gun crowd, anyway?  Hows does that make sense?  Isn't the whole point of being anti-gun that you want to PREVENT injury and death?


For most of the Fark anti-gun brigade it's about stopping people from doing something they don't like or scares them.  Fear prevents them from thinking about the method critically.  So this guy getting charged with a crime he didn't commit or being grievously wounded or maimed is something to hope or cheer for.
 
2014-08-04 11:22:28 AM  

monoski: tiggis: While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.

It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.


COLORADO REVISED STATUTES

C.R.S. 16-3-103 (2013)

(1) A peace officer may stop any person who he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime and may require him to give his name and address, identification if available, and an explanation of his actions. A peace officer shall not require any person who is stopped pursuant to this section to produce or divulge such person's social security number. The stopping shall not constitute an arrest.

There has to be suspicion of criminal activity.
 
2014-08-04 11:22:31 AM  

FightDirector: Theaetetus: Hey, now, I asked the question honestly. Unlike you, I do perceive a person with a gun in a hip holster going about their business the same as someone with a rifle slung over their shoulder: potentially dangerous nutbag, and a good time for me to leave.

Difficulty: plainclothes cop.  At least around Cincinnati, we've got a ton of them, and they all wear their badges on neck-holders under their shirts, which they can pull out of they need to.  Which means, in effect, that you've got guys walking around in khakis and polo shirts, with a hip holster with a Sig, Glock, or M&P in there who are exactly the people whom people profess to want to have guns available.

How do you tell them from the civilians by sight?


How do you tell a civilian from a civilian?
 
2014-08-04 11:22:54 AM  

Bathysphere: Have you seen the kid? Tipping intensifies.


Five bucks says he posts on a Red Pill forum. Because, let's face it, he's not carrying the gun because he wants to impress women. He knows THAT ship has sailed.
 
2014-08-04 11:25:44 AM  
Attention whores don't get to decide what kind of attention they get.
 
2014-08-04 11:27:00 AM  
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2014-08-04 11:27:56 AM  
One day he might grow up
 
2014-08-04 11:30:42 AM  

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


Except that you're wrong. The supreme court "held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during police investigations did not violate the    if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court _o f_Nevada

If the cops suspected he might not be 18, which is a completely reasonable assumption, then not showing them ID is obstruction, hence the citation.

Of course your "huge lawsuit against the city" fantasy probably has some merit too I bet. How about you post a link to a legal precedent?
 
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2014-08-04 11:31:23 AM  

bobothemagnificent: However, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.


I keep hearing this, but what's the point of having a right that when you excersize it people say "well just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" as if rights weren't meant to be exercised.

If people don't like a law, or a constitutional right... then they should fight to get it repealed. Not create two arbitrary categories of rights -- those you should, and should not exercise, based on the whim of each person and what they like and don't like.
 
2014-08-04 11:32:16 AM  
The same thing happens every day just for carrying a camera.

"Your camera is making some pants-wetter nervous."

"That's their problem"

"YOU'RE OBSTRUCTING OUR INVESTIGATION!"
 
2014-08-04 11:32:20 AM  
All the people saying Second Amendment ...so he's carrying this in case the Gubmint tries to take him down, he's part of a well-regulated militia, so he's carrying a shotgun? A shotgun, in case the powers-that-be want to take his rosy-cheeked corpulent ass down and he can fight back...?

www.libertyroundtable.com

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2014-08-04 11:32:31 AM  
I wonder exactly how much bullying this kid went through in High School...
 
2014-08-04 11:33:30 AM  

trappedspirit: monoski: tiggis: While I would not openly carry a shotgun around town, the kid has a right to do it if he wants.
I do not even know why this is a story.

Headline should be:    Teenager follows law, police liberals unhappy about it.

It is not legal to refuse to show your ID to the police.

COLORADO REVISED STATUTES

C.R.S. 16-3-103 (2013)

(1) A peace officer may stop any person who he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime and may require him to give his name and address, identification if available, and an explanation of his actions. A peace officer shall not require any person who is stopped pursuant to this section to produce or divulge such person's social security number. The stopping shall not constitute an arrest.

There has to be suspicion of criminal activity.


Some people have a lot to learn about police, apparently.

This shiat isn't simple, and to think that an 18 year old has a better grasp of his rights than the police who stopped him is patently ridiculous.

The duration of the stop, number of police present, whether they activated their lights and sirens, whether they draw their weapons... the police are in control of the legality of the stop.  It's important to understand your rights, yes, but it's equally important to understand the limits of our rights as have been codified into law over the last 250 years or so.
 
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