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2014-08-04 08:26:40 AM  

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2014-08-04 08:26:47 AM  

jso2897: Calm down. No one really wants to see anything bad happen to this dumb kid - indeed, that's a big reason why we would like to see him stop doing what he is doing - before he get's his dumb ass hurt.


I don't really care if he hurts himself. He's an adult and he's free to do stupid shiat if he wants. He's also free to suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't say I want it to happen, but if he shoots his foot off that's his problem and I'm not going to feel any worse about that than when I'm laughing at some idiot on Youtube who cracks his nuts riding a bike off his roof.
 
2014-08-04 08:27:04 AM  
Lumpy's back.
www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2014-08-04 08:28:43 AM  

Lorelle: Why are they always so white and pasty??


Because black people learned early on that anyone with more than a mild tan gets shot by the police.

Kid's a douchbag but I applaud him for making open carry nuts continue to look like a danger to the community.
 
2014-08-04 08:28:53 AM  

dookdookdook: Cdr.Murdock: I see a person walking down the street open carrying a holstered handgun? No worries.

...which I can only take to mean that your entire psychological experience takes place inside an hallucinated rerun of Gunsmoke.


You'll need a bit tastier chunk of bunker for me to bite your troll hook.

Nice try, though.  I give it a 4.5/10....
 
2014-08-04 08:29:07 AM  

Delay: Mentat: We hit peak wank in this thread pretty quickly.

Yep. Maybe they are just compensating or something. Anyway, that kid in TFA doesn't appear old enough to have hit puberty yet.


Hence the gun.
 
2014-08-04 08:30:19 AM  
This asshat could not be happier.  In his little mind he leveled up from Internet Tough Guy to Cable News Tough Guy.
 
2014-08-04 08:30:22 AM  

PunGent: dookdookdook: PunGent: You don't HAVE to clean your gun after you use it, and you don't HAVE to change your oil every few thousand miles...but your gun and your car will each last longer if you do those things...or pay someone else to do them.

The point is a car engine will run for months with no maintenance without any particular increased risk of failure, yet something that basically does nothing but smack a small piece of metal with another small piece of metal not only needs constant TLC to stay safe and functional, but will blow off body parts if not done with maximum care and attention.

It's an interesting question, I suppose.  I was taught to clean my guns after I fire them, so that's what I do.  I'm actually not sure how long you could go a) regularly shooting a gun, and b) not cleaning said gun.   It would depend on how touchy the weapon was...much like some cars are more reliable than others, on average.

Weapons like the AK-47 are supposed to be VERY reliable, even under horrible field conditions, w/o being cleaned, etc.


it probably depends mostly on the ammo you feed said weapon.
here's a torture test some guys did:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
 
2014-08-04 08:31:07 AM  
gotta love the dickless 'muricans with their guns.

I think it would be ironic and hilarious if because he had a shotgun, someone else feels threatened and blow his head off.  I know that personally, seeing a dumbass walking around with a firearm doesn't make anyone safe.

Maybe if he stopped eating and worked out and learn some defensive skills he wouldn't fell some afriad, but then again, it's the whole 'murican penis compensation thing, truly one of the most pathetic part of 'murica and those that are gun happy are too stupid to understand that.
 
2014-08-04 08:31:34 AM  

skozlaw: jso2897: Calm down. No one really wants to see anything bad happen to this dumb kid - indeed, that's a big reason why we would like to see him stop doing what he is doing - before he get's his dumb ass hurt.

I don't really care if he hurts himself. He's an adult and he's free to do stupid shiat if he wants. He's also free to suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't say I want it to happen, but if he shoots his foot off that's his problem and I'm not going to feel any worse about that than when I'm laughing at some idiot on Youtube who cracks his nuts riding a bike off his roof.


Yes - but that is ethically very, very different from actively wishing harm upon him. Of course you can't take any emotional responsibility for his idiocy and it's consequences.
 
2014-08-04 08:33:02 AM  

GodComplex: whitman00: zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary

So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.

I am. The police have no right to stop you unless they believe you are breaking the law. If it's not illegal to open carry then they should be able to do so unharassed. The law applies to every one, even people you don't like.



In this case it does not, however. Open carry in Colorado is limited to those 18 and over with a valid license. The boy in this question was 18 and looked it, so IMO the police were totally within their rights to ask him for his ID to prove he was 18. If he was driving a car the same thing would apply; he's performing a public act that requires government approval so he'd better have the proper documentation (in this case, his ID) on himself to prove it. Or do you think it's ok to drive around without your driver's license, because it's the same situation.
 
2014-08-04 08:33:03 AM  

fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.


Just in case this hasn't been said: A shotgun *is* a precise weapon.  Those movies showing 8 people being gunned down by spreading shot when only 15 feet away from a shotgun are just that: movies.  I shoot deer with shotguns.  At 100 yards, every single pellet hits the deer in the chest, within a 4-5" circle.

That said, I think the kid is asking for trouble.
 
2014-08-04 08:33:19 AM  

italie: 1 - Colorado has had its fair share of shootings. If you are doing this in the name of safety, cooperate with those protecting yours. The average Joe can't tell the difference between you, and some random psycho carting a gun down the street. Why traumatize an already frazzled population?


Frazzled or not: nobodycan tell another person's intentions, which is why people have pointed out this kid could easily be shot by someone else while showing off his rights - for whatever reason he is inclined to do so.

2 - You have admitted to being stopped for this TWELVE TIMES. This is briefly keeping officers off the street, officers that one day could be delayed getting to another mass shooting. Officers that handled the last one with speed and professionalism.

More than anything, considering it's an open-carry state and he's not the only person in the state, or even that town, to open carry, it's apparent the reason he is inclined to defend his right to carry has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with intimidating and frightening people and the ensuing attention.  And that is problematic. What happens when the high isn't enough? When people don't react enough, or quickly enough? Or the cops asking for ID gets boring?

Let's be honest: rights or no rights, this kid is no more exhibiting normal behavior than I would be if I walked to the corner and spent the entire day walking back and forth across the crosswalk every time the light turned green, while standing still at the corner when it turned red. Legal, but extremely strange and probably disturbing to anyone who noticed me doing it in front of their house.
 
2014-08-04 08:33:25 AM  

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


Well, I'm certainly no attorney, but they asked him to prove he was 18.  He looks like he's 15, at the most.  I'd say that's a reasonable request given that he looks too young to be doing what he's doing  WAY back in the day, I used to get carded at bars - once by the the police after I had been served (they did a spot check).  This kid is being a douche for the sake of being a douche and he knows it.  Hopefully, this will solve itself and he will trip while walking around with his constitutional right pointed at his own head.
 
2014-08-04 08:34:09 AM  
And here I thought apes with guns was the most worrying thing I've seen lately. That kid will never have consensual sex.
 
2014-08-04 08:34:20 AM  
Now take a good look at this punk. What we have here is a prime example of why you need to beat your kids.
 
2014-08-04 08:35:26 AM  
"You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole!"
 
2014-08-04 08:35:32 AM  
He looks like an 18 year old Eric Cartman. Something tells me he has never even kissed a girl.
 
2014-08-04 08:36:00 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

I bet that shiat would go out the window as soon as a black, Arab , or Latino decided to do the exact thing.


They would have the ACLU, Holder, Obama, Jesse, Al behind them instantly, as well as all the main stream media.
 
2014-08-04 08:37:28 AM  
Punchable face?
www.rawstory.com

Yep.

Regarding stop and identify in CO

And I'm not surprised this kid's being a douche. It's something only some teenage males grow out of. The idea that one needs to carry guns around people to help them feel more comfortable around them is asinine. Take your ass to a place where guns are actually necessary: Somalia, South Sudan, Nigeria. Otherwise, shut up and enjoy your clean streets, running water and 30-day return on purchases.
 
2014-08-04 08:38:53 AM  
Excellent ploy, get the town used to you walking around as "that open carry farkwit".

Makes it much easier when he goes full Holmes.

Looks and sounds like an absolute loser, fits all the profiles
 
2014-08-04 08:39:03 AM  

serpent_sky: italie: 1 - Colorado has had its fair share of shootings. If you are doing this in the name of safety, cooperate with those protecting yours. The average Joe can't tell the difference between you, and some random psycho carting a gun down the street. Why traumatize an already frazzled population?

Frazzled or not: nobodycan tell another person's intentions, which is why people have pointed out this kid could easily be shot by someone else while showing off his rights - for whatever reason he is inclined to do so.

2 - You have admitted to being stopped for this TWELVE TIMES. This is briefly keeping officers off the street, officers that one day could be delayed getting to another mass shooting. Officers that handled the last one with speed and professionalism.

More than anything, considering it's an open-carry state and he's not the only person in the state, or even that town, to open carry, it's apparent the reason he is inclined to defend his right to carry has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with intimidating and frightening people and the ensuing attention.  And that is problematic. What happens when the high isn't enough? When people don't react enough, or quickly enough? Or the cops asking for ID gets boring?

Let's be honest: rights or no rights, this kid is no more exhibiting normal behavior than I would be if I walked to the corner and spent the entire day walking back and forth across the crosswalk every time the light turned green, while standing still at the corner when it turned red. Legal, but extremely strange and probably disturbing to anyone who noticed me doing it in front of their house.


Are you supporting my comments or arguing against them? I'm having a hard time here...
 
2014-08-04 08:41:14 AM  
Perhaps the proximity of the shootings is the reason his teenaged brain told him to do this. I would think proximity to that type of event in a young persons life combined with access to firearms could easily lead to this type of thought process.

The police did not have any right to stop him and so the request for id is harrassment. They did not stop him to check for id at all and most of is know that. The check for identification was simply a form of harrassment. He was under no obligation to provide identification unless they told him exactly why he was being asked. Did they inform him they were checking identification to determine his age in relation to possession of a firearm? Nope

They ginned up a charge when they realized he was within his rights and they had screwed up. He should sue the city
 
2014-08-04 08:41:35 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Punchable face?
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Yep.

Regarding stop and identify in CO

And I'm not surprised this kid's being a douche. It's something only some teenage males grow out of. The idea that one needs to carry guns around people to help them feel more comfortable around them is asinine. Take your ass to a place where guns are actually necessary: Somalia, South Sudan, Nigeria. Otherwise, shut up and enjoy your clean streets, running water and 30-day return on purchases.


All of which are here because a bunch of upstarts decided that owning guns, and taking on an oppressive government was important.

It is so comical, because you libs are so terrified of the law abiding gun owners, which don't really do much wrong. Yet the hordes of Obama voting thugs out on the street are perfectly okay.... the ones actually doing the crime.

So you don't like the 2nd amendment. Seems you don't like the 1st, the 4th either. What is next to go? A right is exactly that, a right. Doesn't matter if using it makes other people offended. Speech does that. Should we outlaw that, depending on what party is in power? You want people disarmed, to the IRS, liberal feds, EPA, heck even the Office of Social Security will be so much more heavily armed, they can do what they want and citizens won't even be able to backtalk.
 
2014-08-04 08:42:29 AM  

Close2TheEdge: Realistically, the kid is merely showing the stupidity of the law.  Although I'm happy I don't live there with the little nutjob, he technically has broken no laws.

Of course, getting "accidentally" shot by his own weapon is the justice we are all looking for here.  Not enough to kill him, of course, but maybe taking a foot or hand off.


It would be *really* tragic if another Open Carry protester were to shoot his bulbous ass thinking he was a Bad Guy.

\not gonna happen
\\not near brown enough
 
2014-08-04 08:42:35 AM  
Legal.
 
2014-08-04 08:42:45 AM  

abhorrent1: When asked to provide ID proving his age, Lohner refused to do so, while videotaping the encounter (seen below) on his phone.

Oh he's one of those assholes.


A soon-to-be Sovereign Citizen?
 
2014-08-04 08:43:29 AM  

italie: Are you supporting my comments or arguing against them? I'm having a hard time here...


My point is the kid is an idiot, could easily get shot by someone else, and should not be doing what he's doing because clearly, he is frightening and intimidating people (hence, multiple calls to get the police out there when he's wandering with his gun), as opposed to merely expressing his right to bear arms and being harassed for doing so. I'm fairly certain we agree on all of this?
 
2014-08-04 08:44:44 AM  
Simply pass a law that states police have the right to inspect firearms at any point and for any reason if they are being carried openly

Problem solved
 
2014-08-04 08:49:13 AM  

pendy575: Simply pass a law that states police have the right to inspect firearms at any point and for any reason if they are being carried openly

Problem solved


4th amendment.
 
2014-08-04 08:49:54 AM  
Did all the trolls wake up at the same time or something? It's unique to see a cluster of poorly spelled, ill-informed opinions suddenly pop up in a green thread that had already hit the main page.

I should have figured this was too civil and sane for a gun thread.
 
2014-08-04 08:50:03 AM  
An agitated teenager with a gun.

This sure will end well.
 
2014-08-04 08:52:36 AM  
Somebody should just accidentally run this arrogant tactifat douchbag over with a prius.


/gun owner.
 
2014-08-04 08:52:38 AM  
Waving a lethal weapon around is SURE to make people feel COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE.

Yup.

Really really.

Yes, it is still legal to be a f*cking dick.
 
2014-08-04 08:53:00 AM  

Katolu: abhorrent1: When asked to provide ID proving his age, Lohner refused to do so, while videotaping the encounter (seen below) on his phone.

Oh he's one of those assholes.

A soon-to-be Sovereign Citizen?


I'm sure those words have come out of his mouth more than a few times already. He's probably one of those guys that also has a problem showing his receipt as he leaves a store and write letters to the consumerist about it.

I get it. You have rights. There's exercising your rights, and there's being a dick. This guy is just being a dick.
 
2014-08-04 08:53:09 AM  

serpent_sky: My point is the kid is an idiot, could easily get shot by someone else, and should not be doing what he's doing because clearly, he is frightening and intimidating people (hence, multiple calls to get the police out there when he's wandering with his gun), as opposed to merely expressing his right to bear arms and being harassed for doing so. I'm fairly certain we agree on all of this?


I noticed that one of the local restaraunts had posted a "no firearms" notice on their door as well as one of the local movie theaters which is, I think, a great response. If these idiots want to walk into a business I'm patronizing like a high plains drifter then I'll take my business elsewhere.
 
2014-08-04 08:53:51 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Lohner then proceeds to argue with the officers, refusing to show them ID or hand over the shotgun insisting he hasn't committed a crime before being cited by the officer on a misdemeanor obstruction charge for refusing to show his identification

I thought the police could hold you for 24 hours to determine your identity if you refused to present proper identification during an investigation. And all police stops are investigations.


They can, your prints will tell them who you are.
 
2014-08-04 08:56:52 AM  
Oh thank god some fat teenager in Aurora is attention whoring for his own safety, and those around him. That dude needs to touch some boobies and STFU.
 
2014-08-04 08:57:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When I was growing up, there were only three reason to leave the house without a gun, and two of those were church and school.


Pity you didn't live in a civilized place where you didn't have to live in fear of your life.
 
2014-08-04 08:57:46 AM  

zamboni: TuteTibiImperes: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

He wasn't cited for carrying the gun, he was cited for refusing to provide identification, which was a valid request as by his appearance it was not clear whether or not he was old enough to be legally carrying the weapon.

He has no grounds to stand on to sue.

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary


Or buying alcohol. It is against my rights to make me prove I am old enough!
 
2014-08-04 08:57:54 AM  

pla: serpent_sky : People like this are going to ensure that open carry laws are changed or severely curtailed, if they keep it up.

Any "right" you can't actually act on - doesn't exist in the first place. We need more... Thousands more, Millions more, to start open carrying; not for protection but simply to make it normal again. You know what has changed between 1914 and 2014? in 1914, virtually everyone had seen and used a gun from an early age for both hunting and varmint-killing. In 2014, most people have only seen guns in movies, which adhere to Chekhov's rule: If you see a gun in the first act, it will get fired by the fourth act. Guns have gone from a tool to a prop for many (particularly urban, which I don't mean as a euphemism for "black") people; meanwhile, the other 50% of the country that lives outside the cities still uses them for hunting and varmint killing.



What in the right hell is wrong with you? This is not Mad Max. If you think guns should be carried around and whipped out like smartphones, you have a serious problem. People like *you* are the very reason I'm gonna grab my family and duck the hell out of the Waffle House on Sunday morning when you trip in with your shotgun for eggs and a short stack. Why? Because the above quote tells me you think the only solution to any argument is gunfire or the threat of gunfire.

And hunting season is restricted within every city limits, so you're not gonna bag a deer in Pennys.

I'm gonna get my family the hell away from unstable muthafarkers like yourself. I'm gonna vote against politicians who pander to such whackadoodle behavior. I'm gonna throw your ass out of my place of business if you behave like that, and I will tell the business owner that lets you in packing like that I'm leaving and never coming back *because* he lets people like you in.

Every last stick of which is perfectly legal for *me* to do.

\hope a troll, but too pessimistic to believe so
 
2014-08-04 08:58:07 AM  
Really? HIs last name is Lohner? So he's a Lohner with a gun?

(See, 'cause 'Lohner' sounds like 'loner'.)

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-04 08:58:16 AM  

scarbachi: Oh thank god some fat teenager in Aurora is attention whoring for his own safety, and those around him. That dude needs to touch some boobies and STFU.


If he wants to touch boobies, all he needs to do is take a shower.
 
2014-08-04 08:58:24 AM  
The 4th amendment states fairly clearly that it related to militia

So treat people like they should be training for militia with regards to gun ownership

Inspect their weapons. Make sure they are trained in their proper use
 
2014-08-04 08:58:28 AM  
You liberals sound exactly like the old school boys when the Civil Rights marches were going on, you know that, right?
 
2014-08-04 08:59:50 AM  

abhorrent1: Katolu: abhorrent1: When asked to provide ID proving his age, Lohner refused to do so, while videotaping the encounter (seen below) on his phone.

Oh he's one of those assholes.

A soon-to-be Sovereign Citizen?

I'm sure those words have come out of his mouth more than a few times already. He's probably one of those guys that also has a problem showing his receipt as he leaves a store and write letters to the consumerist about it.

I get it. You have rights. There's exercising your rights, and there's being a dick. This guy is just being a dick.


Sorry, but I cracked up at the consumerist jab. Thanks for making my Monday.
 
2014-08-04 08:59:59 AM  

pendy575: The 4th amendment states fairly clearly that it related to militia

So treat people like they should be training for militia with regards to gun ownership

Inspect their weapons. Make sure they are trained in their proper use


This a joke post?

Hope so.
 
2014-08-04 09:00:24 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Really? HIs last name is Lohner? So he's a Lohner with a gun?

(See, 'cause 'Lohner' sounds like 'loner'.)

[img.fark.net image 615x345]


So a cop stops him, and he refuses to give any information , so the cop radios in th HQ, says: "I have the strangest loner right now."
 
2014-08-04 09:00:25 AM  
Hilter loved gun control.
 
2014-08-04 09:01:54 AM  
What's his Fark handle?
 
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