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2014-08-04 07:51:51 AM  
Lohner then proceeds to argue with the officers, refusing to show them ID or hand over the shotgun insisting he hasn't committed a crime before being cited by the officer on a misdemeanor obstruction charge for refusing to show his identification

I thought the police could hold you for 24 hours to determine your identity if you refused to present proper identification during an investigation. And all police stops are investigations.
 
2014-08-04 07:51:52 AM  
Kid looks like:
mlpchan.net

/m'lady
 
2014-08-04 07:53:05 AM  

kim jong-un: Most shotguns are very precise. They fire different types of shells, and if its loaded with a slug its as accurate as any other firearm.But you would know that if you had any experience with firearms other than what you learned in videogames.


Actually in video games the slug shotgun is one of the most powerful weapon in the CoD series. One hit kills each time and you have crazy range.  If the shotgun isn't rifled then it is not as accurate as any other firearm.
 
2014-08-04 07:53:33 AM  
You know who else walked around Aurora with a gun?
 
2014-08-04 07:53:36 AM  
Desensitized != Comfortable
 
2014-08-04 07:54:02 AM  

serpent_sky: Ehhhh... that argument falls apart when you look at the photos of all the mass shooters in recent years. As a bonus, add in the average serial killer's profile, and it's almost always a white male. If you were going to place a bet on either, "white male" would always be the safest.


......I was trying to imply something like; It's not often that a white person is mistakenly shot for seeming to be threatening.  For those not white however.....
 
2014-08-04 07:54:06 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When I was growing up, there were only three reason to leave the house without a gun, and two of those were church and school.


Go on...
 
2014-08-04 07:54:07 AM  

FightDirector: Now, the reason the trigger pull is part of the takedown process on a Glock (and several other guns) is a desire to reduce weight (carrying a gun all day gets surprisingly heavy) and to reduce the number of switches and so forth sticking out of the gun (each of which represents a failure point and a thing to catch on clothing or a holster).  Plenty of other guns have takedown latches - but they all made the choice during design to accept the possibility of those failures.  Glock assumed that the owner would be competent enough to triple-check the firearm before taking it apart from regular maintenance so as to avoid an accidental discharge (and in so doing saved the weight and failure chance).


My wife's Savage Mk. 2 Rifle needs the safety off and trigger pulled to release the bolt.  I'm not a huge fan of this but it's pretty obvious the gun isn't going to fire with the bolt all the way back.  It also has the safety trigger that is harder to pull accidentally (if you pull it anything but straight back it won't fire) which is nice because it's got an adjustable pull weight and while I never felt the need to reduce it I know that there are lots of people who would just because they can.
 
2014-08-04 07:55:25 AM  

mekkab: jshine: serial_crusher: Um, I hope it wasn't loaded during the filming of this.

/ Gun is always loaded...

If a gun is *always* loaded, how do you clean or transport them? ...because generally you shouldn't do those things with a loaded gun.

You unload it and you sure as fark don't point it at anything you don't want to put a hole through.

/and the moment a gun is out of sight, assume it walked itself across the room and re-loaded.
//Fark Gun Safety 101


Now I am imagining "Toy Story" but where Andy has a collection of guns that play together whenever he is out of the room.
 
2014-08-04 07:56:16 AM  
Provocative demonstrations of behaviors invites even less mentally stable lurkers to snap. Don't ask for a beating or a shooting.
 
2014-08-04 07:58:55 AM  
Brown people show ID to vote: Perfectly reasonable, and prudent.
White teenaager show ID to tote firearm around populated areas: 1984! 2nd Amendment!! Hitler! Waaaaaaah!!
 
2014-08-04 07:59:08 AM  
In a poetically just society: Some middle-aged guy with a CC permit and accompanied by his small children decides Junior here is a clear and present danger, draws down on him, and strips him of his shotgun -- to "protect himself and those around him." Would Junior call the cops and file a complaint?
 
2014-08-04 08:02:24 AM  

fusillade762: dramboxf: TuteTibiImperes: There's no age limit on freedom of speech

Oh God, yes there is.

SCOTUS has held at least once that a public high school newspaper can be censored by the administration. If they don't like an article that might be published, then it's not published. If that's not an age-qualified limit on the First Amendment, I'd like to know what is.

//my school's paper was censored by the administration, on an article I wrote about sexual activity amongst the students based on a blind poll. My family (Dad) secured a First Amendment attorney who schooled us on just how limited student's FA rights are.

See also:



Morse v. Frederick


That kid was paid $45000 by the school district according to your link so he should be just fine. Sounds like the school admitting fault to me. Hell there isn't even an NDA.
 
2014-08-04 08:02:55 AM  
Teenagers are arrogant little jackasses. That's nothing new...

What I'm wondering, is where are this kid's parents to give him a slap upside his head and tell him to put the gun away and stop being a stupid asshole?
 
2014-08-04 08:03:09 AM  

mksmith: In a poetically just society: Some middle-aged guy with a CC permit and accompanied by his small children decides Junior here is a clear and present danger, draws down on him, and strips him of his shotgun -- to "protect himself and those around him." Would Junior call the cops and file a complaint?


The list of potential unfortunate events that might result from this fool's clownish behavior is a very, very long one.
 
2014-08-04 08:04:00 AM  

keylock71: Teenagers are arrogant little jackasses. That's nothing new...

What I'm wondering, is where are this kid's parents to give him a slap upside his head and tell him to put the gun away and stop being a stupid asshole?


They failed somewhere about ten years back.
 
2014-08-04 08:04:15 AM  
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Second amendment! Second amendment! Second amendemeeeeeeeeeeent!

I guess I'd be an angry, recalcitrant nutjob too if I were eighteen years old and looked like a two hundred pound toddler...
 
2014-08-04 08:04:30 AM  
We're missing the main point here, and it is by far the saddest.

At 18 years of age this guy's dick doesn't work. At least I'm assuming since he feels the need to carry around a substitute with him out in public. He needs a doctor or a girlfriend or both.
 
2014-08-04 08:04:36 AM  

sycraft: Lots of jackass awards to go around here. Kid is a grade A jackass for walking around with a big gun strapped to his back. Yes you CAN do it, but there is no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. He was looking to start trouble, and he got trouble. I have zero sympathy for him.

However the people calling 911 are also jackasses. Seriously people need to stop wetting their pants every time someone without a uniform has a gun.


Exactly. That's why all teachers should be trained and armed at all times. Then we won't have to worry about the crazies.
 
2014-08-04 08:04:53 AM  

keylock71: Teenagers are arrogant little jackasses. That's nothing new...

What I'm wondering, is where are this kid's parents to give him a slap upside his head and tell him to put the gun away and stop being a stupid asshole?


NRA meeting.
 
2014-08-04 08:05:01 AM  
Thanks, NRA. I hope the AW misfires on his balls.

/AW! My Balls!
//balls
 
2014-08-04 08:05:19 AM  
This kid is farking stupid on a half shell, and brazen defined. Either he's trolling, or a wonky ass mass shooter who happened to tell his plans beforehand, and has a Ted Nugent style ideology about the 2nd Amendment.
 
2014-08-04 08:05:30 AM  
Douchebag looks to be about 14.  The cops have several complaints, in a town that's had a mass shooting incident.  That's enough reasonable suspicion for a ped stop and an ID check.  It's the totality of the circumstances that matters.  Could you imagine the out-RAGE had the police done nothing to this dopey plumper and he decided to blast off a few rounds?  I think the argument could be made that the cops had a duty to stop and ID him.

The open carry thing is starting to get out of hand with the farktards carrying long guns into Taco Bell and Target.  I'm a proponent of open carry, but every right comes with responsibilities.  Acting rational in public, being a polite member of society, etc.  Fatty crosses that line when you look at the big picture.  I see a person walking down the street open carrying a holstered handgun?  No worries.  Someone who looks WAY underage walking about with a shotgun, again, given the totality of the circumstances in that particular community?  Just dumb.


It's losers like this that are eventually going to make it so I have to keep my shotgun cased until I make it to the stand or the blind.  Shiet, I don't even have a case long enough for my Mosin.  When I take that to the range, I pop the bolt out and walk in with the chamber facing front so the range master can see I'm no threat to anyone, intentional or unintentional.

It's called brains.  IMHO this kid has none.
 
2014-08-04 08:07:28 AM  
I can easily imagine a scene where this guy walks into a public venue there like a super market or, for sheer idiocy, the movie theater and gets shot by some startled concealed carry gun owner trying to prevent another massacre.
 
2014-08-04 08:07:31 AM  

dookdookdook: FightDirector: Sometimes, you have to break one of the rules of gun safety (usually the "consider it always loaded", but sometimes the "never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot" - thank you Glock takedown procedure).  However, when you do so, you have to triple-check each of the other three safety rules.

To reference the "Glock" comment above - the procedure to field-strip a Glock pistol requires that you pull the trigger to release the slide&barrel assembly from the frame.  Therefore, you need to triple-check that the firearm is pointed in a safe direction, that you're aware of what is behind what it's pointed at, and that the firearm has been unloaded.  Triple-check each of those, and *then* it's safe to put your finger on that trigger.

So, educate me a little here:  Is there some innate reason why guns need to be such touchy, unstable things that will blow your hand off if you look at them wrong, or is it just that it would be freedom-destroying tyranny to try to encourage a little bit of a redesign?  We build cars that run perfectly fine for years without needing an untrained mechanic tinkering around with them constantly and accidentally blowing up the gas tank; why should guns need so much more attention?

Or is the constant cleaning and tinkering and fondling part of the attraction in the first place?


It is not that guns are naturally touchy or unstable, it has to do with how the user carries them.  If you have a hammerless revolver like I carry, it will not go off unless you pull the trigger but is always ready to go if an emergency need arises.  The guns that accidentally "go off" are semi-automatics where the user has one in the chamber and the safeties are all off so it will be ready to use at a moments notice also.  That is why I prefer to carry a revolver and use my semi-automatic for a back-up to my revolver at home (or target shooting) where I would have time to disengage the safeties and load one in the chamber.  As a rule of thumb, I never store any semi-automatic with one in the chamber and safeties off.
 
2014-08-04 08:10:14 AM  

llort dam eht: We're missing the main point here, and it is by far the saddest.

At 18 years of age this guy's dick doesn't work. At least I'm assuming since he feels the need to carry around a substitute with him out in public. He needs a doctor or a girlfriend or both.


You know - it is possible for people to have very severe and profound mental and emotionsl difficulties that have little or nothing to do with sexuality.

snowshovel: sycraft: Lots of jackass awards to go around here. Kid is a grade A jackass for walking around with a big gun strapped to his back. Yes you CAN do it, but there is no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. He was looking to start trouble, and he got trouble. I have zero sympathy for him.

However the people calling 911 are also jackasses. Seriously people need to stop wetting their pants every time someone without a uniform has a gun.

Exactly. That's why all teachers should be trained and armed at all times. Then we won't have to worry about the crazies.


God knows there are no crazy teachers. I feel safer already.
 
2014-08-04 08:10:30 AM  

mksmith: In a poetically just society: Some middle-aged guy with a CC permit and accompanied by his small children decides Junior here is a clear and present danger, draws down on him, and strips him of his shotgun -- to "protect himself and those around him." Would Junior call the cops and file a complaint?


Apparently people in a poetically just society are knee jerk retards who elevate legal activities to justification for murder. I am glad that we live in a normal society where a kid engaged in a legal activity you don't like is grounds for you to daydream about stupid scenarios where said kid gets injured or dies.
 
2014-08-04 08:11:24 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: I see a person walking down the street open carrying a holstered handgun? No worries.


...which I can only take to mean that your entire psychological experience takes place inside an hallucinated rerun of Gunsmoke.
 
2014-08-04 08:12:28 AM  
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2014-08-04 08:13:20 AM  

zamboni: You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary


Or like being brown and living in Arizona, or being black and living in NYC. If you don't want to suffer from these draconian "white people problems", you can choose to leave the gun at home.

Some liberal group should start an outreach program where they facilitate black and latino youths with transportation and large firearms so they can LEGALLY wander the streets of nice white neighborhoods. Then you can watch the NRA lobby themselves into a knot.
 
2014-08-04 08:14:33 AM  

GDubDub: I mean, they can't *really* be what they say they are. They can't *really* think that they are helping.


You have to have someone on the low end of the bell curve to have a bell curve.

I'm not scared of guns.  I grew up in rural Rhode Island.  There were always clay pigeon fragments at the beach.  My sweetie has a concealed carry permit and a revolver (fark those new-fangled semis).

But these guys need to be slapped down hard.  They are doing everything wrong that I was taught about handling guns.  I saw the snapshot of the kid with the butt of his ass-blaster on the floor pointed up at his face and I was saying "oh please oh please let Uncle Chuck make a visit."

Someone is going to die doing this, and it's going to be his own damn fault.  It's the only way these idiots are going to wake the fark up to how douchey they are.  The sooner the better.
 
2014-08-04 08:14:41 AM  

zamboni: This.

And if you have no problem with the government stopping you from doing something that is completely legal...go ahead and stop him from doing something that's completely legal... just because it's something that you don't happen to support.


No. I do not support people acting like narcissistic aholes.

At some point some other Rambo-in-waiting is going to see this puke, and think he's a threat and start to open fire. What will happen is what usually happens. Neither of the gun toters will be injured but the bystanding family of 4 just out for an ice cream stroll will end up dead.
 
2014-08-04 08:16:58 AM  

jso2897: keylock71: Teenagers are arrogant little jackasses. That's nothing new...

What I'm wondering, is where are this kid's parents to give him a slap upside his head and tell him to put the gun away and stop being a stupid asshole?

They failed somewhere about ten years back.


No shiat... I can't imagine letting an 18 year old kid wonder around the neighborhood with a shot gun, especially if they were living under my roof. No farking way.

What are the parents thinking letting him do this? Yeah, he's legally an adult, but he's obviously a naive child without the mental maturity and commonsense needed to own a firearm.

If I had tried pulling this shiat when I was 18, I would have got the, "Oh, you're a man now, are you? Well, time to get a job and a place of your own to live and you can do what you want. We'll give you until Saturday to move out." speech. : )
 
2014-08-04 08:17:22 AM  
I am glad everyone in this thread is OK with stopping people and asking for ID based on their appearance. Just to make sure they are not breaking the law.

This should help us to clear up our immigration problem a little faster.
 
2014-08-04 08:17:58 AM  

I alone am best: mksmith: In a poetically just society: Some middle-aged guy with a CC permit and accompanied by his small children decides Junior here is a clear and present danger, draws down on him, and strips him of his shotgun -- to "protect himself and those around him." Would Junior call the cops and file a complaint?

Apparently people in a poetically just society are knee jerk retards who elevate legal activities to justification for murder. I am glad that we live in a normal society where a kid engaged in a legal activity you don't like is grounds for you to daydream about stupid scenarios where said kid gets injured or dies.


Calm down. No one really wants to see anything bad happen to this dumb kid - indeed, that's a big reason why we would like to see him stop doing what he is doing - before he get's his dumb ass hurt.
Look: I have every legal and ethical right to go outside, pry a brick out of the garden walk, and bash my own head in with it.
Does that mean I should do it?
I thought Fark was a smart place. When did we start condoning stupidity just because it is "rightful"?
 
2014-08-04 08:18:17 AM  

austin_millbarge: the bystanding family of 4 just out for an ice cream stroll will end up dead


Not if they each had their own gun!
 
2014-08-04 08:18:41 AM  

heavymetal: it will not go off unless you pull the trigger but is always ready to go if an emergency need arises.


Just curious, has the need ever actually arisen?

Like, have you ever been walking down the aisle at walmart with your shootin' iron on your hip and suddenly a race riot broke out in Housewares or a gay rapist jumped at you from behind the paper towels and you found you suddenly needed to distribute a few Freedom Holes at a split second's notice?
 
2014-08-04 08:18:52 AM  
With a story like that I'm surprised I haven't seen CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc talking about how scary he is while Fox talks about puppies.

But since google is not pulling up anything except opinion sites about it, I'm a little leery about the accuracy of the story at the moment.
 
2014-08-04 08:19:20 AM  

MagSeven: kim jong-un: fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.

Most shotguns are very precise. They fire different types of shells, and if its loaded with a slug its as accurate as any other firearm.

But you would know that if you had any experience with firearms other than what you learned in videogames.

Huh?
/show me any shotgun as accurate as a rifle.
//I guess they're all pretty accurate if you're close enough.


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2014-08-04 08:19:52 AM  

Jurodan: I can easily imagine a scene where this guy walks into a public venue there like a super market or, for sheer idiocy, the movie theater and gets shot by some startled concealed carry gun owner trying to prevent another massacre.


I have wondered about this scenario.  Is Colorado a "stand your ground" state?  I can imagine this kid getting shot and no one going to jail for i... ah I couldn't finish, if he got shot of course someone would go to jail.  He isn't blah, after all.
 
2014-08-04 08:19:53 AM  
I know it has been mentioned but I want to reiterate how lucky this cocksucker is to be white.

he'd have been shot dead and this would be a non story.
 
2014-08-04 08:20:51 AM  

feckingmorons: Well it is legal isn't it?

Sounds like a legislative concern if you don't like it.


The Disorderly charge here is Colorado's law for brandishing a weapon, and may even have him for Menacing with a firearm. That and it is illegal in Aurora to fire a firearm outside of a designated range or in the duties of a law enforcement officer. So well done kid, at the least you have a class 2 misdemeanor and threatening that you going to break even more laws in a fantasy that you will save the day is more likely to get a psych evaluation than a medal.
 
2014-08-04 08:21:02 AM  

jso2897: Calm down. No one really wants to see anything bad happen to this dumb kid


Speak for yourself.  It would've been farking hilarious if he'd blown his own face off during a news interview about his being a massive cockbagproud second amendment advocacy.
 
2014-08-04 08:21:32 AM  

I alone am best: I am glad everyone in this thread is OK with stopping people and asking for ID based on their appearance. Just to make sure they are not breaking the law.

This should help us to clear up our immigration problem a little faster.


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2014-08-04 08:21:46 AM  
"Should..."

That's the concept these barrel-strokers struggle with.
 
2014-08-04 08:21:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

He wasn't cited for carrying the gun, he was cited for refusing to provide identification, which was a valid request as by his appearance it was not clear whether or not he was old enough to be legally carrying the weapon.

He has no grounds to stand on to sue.


It's been deemed valid by the same people making it.  Hardly a check and balance there.
 
2014-08-04 08:22:34 AM  

I alone am best: Apparently people in a poetically just society are knee jerk retards who elevate legal activities to justification for murder. I am glad that we live in a normal society where a kid engaged in a legal activity you don't like is grounds for you to daydream about stupid scenarios where said kid gets injured or dies.


People have justified death for less than brandishing a firearm in public, which is something most people would feel somewhat threatened by because it's not normal behavior.  Again, legal, sure. But normal? Not unless you're on hunting grounds or at the range.  Going to the mall or McDonald's with a rifle could very easily be seen as threatening to rob the place - and certainly would in many places.

Also: this kid wasn't part of a rally or a group or anything. Just a lone weirdo walking down the street with a long gun. You really, really can't see how people would find that disturbing or even a threat to their safety?

I'm not saying he did anything illegal, or that the way the law is written, he wasn't within his rights. But lots of legal activity is misinterpreted and can lead to injury or death. I'd say carrying a firearm randomly, for no real reason, in public like that is very easily misinterpreted in a way that could easily send someone else over the edge - either a random loon, OR someone who genuinely saw him as a threat and was also armed. An armed society is not necessarily a polite one, and fear will override manners almost every time.
 
2014-08-04 08:23:42 AM  

I alone am best: I am glad everyone in this thread is OK with stopping people and asking for ID based on their appearance. Just to make sure they are not breaking the law.

This should help us to clear up our immigration problem a little faster.


You're right. If anybody sees any illegal aliens open-carrying, they should grab them and deport them right away. We already have enough attention-whoring assholes in this country.
 
2014-08-04 08:23:44 AM  

dookdookdook: PunGent: You don't HAVE to clean your gun after you use it, and you don't HAVE to change your oil every few thousand miles...but your gun and your car will each last longer if you do those things...or pay someone else to do them.

The point is a car engine will run for months with no maintenance without any particular increased risk of failure, yet something that basically does nothing but smack a small piece of metal with another small piece of metal not only needs constant TLC to stay safe and functional, but will blow off body parts if not done with maximum care and attention.


It's an interesting question, I suppose.  I was taught to clean my guns after I fire them, so that's what I do.  I'm actually not sure how long you could go a) regularly shooting a gun, and b) not cleaning said gun.   It would depend on how touchy the weapon was...much like some cars are more reliable than others, on average.

Weapons like the AK-47 are supposed to be VERY reliable, even under horrible field conditions, w/o being cleaned, etc.
 
2014-08-04 08:24:55 AM  

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


You know what ~is~ a crime? Inciting a riot, interfering with a police investigation,  and disturbing the peace.

If the kid is going to play his little game, at least he can show some ID when asked. Why?

1 - Colorado has had its fair share of shootings. If you are doing this in the name of safety, cooperate with those protecting yours. The average Joe can't tell the difference between you, and some random psycho carting a gun down the street. Why traumatize an already frazzled population?

2 - You have admitted to being stopped for this TWELVE TIMES. This is briefly keeping officers off the street, officers that one day could be delayed getting to another mass shooting. Officers that handled the last one with speed and professionalism.


I'm all for carry laws. What I'm not for is being a dick, which this kid clearly is.


//Sorry officer,didn't mean to yell "Gun" in the theater. Just practicing my freedom of speech.
 
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