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2014-08-04 07:13:29 AM
I look forward to this kid's blog and will keep a close eye for links through American Thinker and Breitbart.
 
2014-08-04 07:13:56 AM

FightDirector: Sometimes, you have to break one of the rules of gun safety (usually the "consider it always loaded", but sometimes the "never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot" - thank you Glock takedown procedure).  However, when you do so, you have to triple-check each of the other three safety rules.

To reference the "Glock" comment above - the procedure to field-strip a Glock pistol requires that you pull the trigger to release the slide&barrel assembly from the frame.  Therefore, you need to triple-check that the firearm is pointed in a safe direction, that you're aware of what is behind what it's pointed at, and that the firearm has been unloaded.  Triple-check each of those, and *then* it's safe to put your finger on that trigger.


So, educate me a little here:  Is there some innate reason why guns need to be such touchy, unstable things that will blow your hand off if you look at them wrong, or is it just that it would be freedom-destroying tyranny to try to encourage a little bit of a redesign?  We build cars that run perfectly fine for years without needing an untrained mechanic tinkering around with them constantly and accidentally blowing up the gas tank; why should guns need so much more attention?

Or is the constant cleaning and tinkering and fondling part of the attraction in the first place?
 
2014-08-04 07:15:48 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 327x283]


Just let it happen...
 
2014-08-04 07:16:33 AM

GodComplex: whitman00: zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary

So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.

I am. The police have no right to stop you unless they believe you are breaking the law. If it's not illegal to open carry then they should be able to do so unharassed. The law applies to every one, even people you don't like.


If you are under the age of 18 you are not allowed to open carry a firearm, and if the police believe that this person is under the age of 18 then they believe he is breaking the law, therefore they have the right to stop and ask for his ID.
 
2014-08-04 07:18:10 AM

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


Police officer:  "Your honor, the defendant looked like he was 16 years old."

Case closed.
 
2014-08-04 07:18:15 AM
Lots of jackass awards to go around here. Kid is a grade A jackass for walking around with a big gun strapped to his back. Yes you CAN do it, but there is no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. He was looking to start trouble, and he got trouble. I have zero sympathy for him.

However the people calling 911 are also jackasses. Seriously people need to stop wetting their pants every time someone without a uniform has a gun. Yes, lots of people have guns in the US. It is what it is. Lots of them carry them too, you just don't know it. Shut up, put on your big boy pants, and stop wasting emergency services' time with this shiat. You are NOT helping prevent a crime.

Also the police are being jackasses here. They were looking for a reason to arrest the guy, though they knew they didn't have one. The "Oh he wouldn't give us his ID," it bogus as they know you needn't carry ID when you are walking around. They didn't like what he was doing so they were going to find some reason to arrest him.

Everyone involved needs to go, settle the fark down, and stop being an asshat.

I really am getting tired of the "open carry" asshats though. Just stop it retards. It doesn't make you look tough, it makes you look stupid.
 
2014-08-04 07:18:22 AM
Am I supposed to be able to mind-read the intention of anyone open-carrying a weapon?

Someone walks into a restaurant with a shotgun or a rifle, am I to assume he poses no danger to me? If I freeze up and don't react while analyzing all what-ifs, I could be injured if I make the wrong choice and turns out it's actually a bad guy trying to rob the place.
 
2014-08-04 07:18:27 AM
If you believe that:

* a black guy walking down the street minding his own business is fair game for stop and frisk because he "might" be packing heat, but
* a white guy openly toting a shotgun in public must be left alone,

then you might be a wingnut.
 
2014-08-04 07:18:28 AM

fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.


Well carrying a more precise weapon, say, perhaps something with a matte black finish, pistol grip, and optics of some kind, tends to alarm people.
 
2014-08-04 07:20:05 AM

fusillade762: dramboxf: TuteTibiImperes: There's no age limit on freedom of speech

Oh God, yes there is.

SCOTUS has held at least once that a public high school newspaper can be censored by the administration. If they don't like an article that might be published, then it's not published. If that's not an age-qualified limit on the First Amendment, I'd like to know what is.

//my school's paper was censored by the administration, on an article I wrote about sexual activity amongst the students based on a blind poll. My family (Dad) secured a First Amendment attorney who schooled us on just how limited student's FA rights are.

See also:

[www.law.louisville.edu image 364x273]

Morse v. Frederick


See also Tinker v. DesMoines.   The Supreme Court ruled that free speech can be censored in public schools if said free speech interferes with maintaining school discipline.
 
2014-08-04 07:20:32 AM

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: WHITE.


Which is the only reason that he wasn't either detained, or some other "honest citizen" didn't "stand their ground" against him.
 
2014-08-04 07:20:37 AM

Rhaab: Christ, what an asshole.


Even lots of pro-gun folks think Open Carry assholes are assholes because they're bright enough to realize it's hurting their own cause. NOBODY is coming away with a more positive view of guns after interacting with that pasty sack of asshole-flavored walrus blubber.

As someone who is in favor of more firearms regulation, this shiat is great. If you're an asshole gun owner who's gonna turn the public towards gun regulation, by all means; parade up and down sites where shooting sprees occurred while holding a shotgun, loudly braying about how what you're doing is legal. Please; try your best to upset and terrify as many people as possible.
 
2014-08-04 07:21:40 AM
I don't need you to defend me, fat boy.
 
2014-08-04 07:22:00 AM

Czechzican: You know this kid isn't doing it to exercise his whatever ammendment right. He is just doing to to be a little snot-rag


I fail to see the difference.
 
2014-08-04 07:22:31 AM

dramboxf: TuteTibiImperes: There's no age limit on freedom of speech

Oh God, yes there is.

SCOTUS has held at least once that a public high school newspaper can be censored by the administration. If they don't like an article that might be published, then it's not published. If that's not an age-qualified limit on the First Amendment, I'd like to know what is.


While I agree with your sentiment, the example is off.  The school will censor the article, even if the school student who wrote it is over 18.
 
2014-08-04 07:22:37 AM
Seems like a perfectly reasonable way to protest. Completely legal, and it is a very important right, one the country was founded upon.

Why is this bad? If he were protesting some stupid liberal cause for no reason, actually committing crimes in the process, you guys would champion him. This is silly.
 
2014-08-04 07:23:02 AM
Farina added, "He may be within his rights and legal, within the law to carry this gun but if we're investigating it and he refuses to cooperate that may violate other municipal laws."


Investigating what? No crime was committed and he's within his rights, move along, pig.
 
2014-08-04 07:23:03 AM

dookdookdook: So, educate me a little here:  Is there some innate reason why guns need to be such touchy, unstable things that will blow your hand off if you look at them wrong, or is it just that it would be freedom-destroying tyranny to try to encourage a little bit of a redesign?  We build cars that run perfectly fine for years without needing an untrained mechanic tinkering around with them constantly and accidentally blowing up the gas tank; why should guns need so much more attention?

Or is the constant cleaning and tinkering and fondling part of the attraction in the first place?


Just wondering if you've ever owned a car, or any other mechanical device for that matter. If you have, you should be aware that all mechanical devices need maintenance. Your car is no exception, and guns are no exception. The usual purpose of disassembling a gun is to clean it and to oil it. Any time you have metal against metal, oil is a good idea. You might note your car has an oil pan for just that reason, and it needs to be periodically changed, along with its filter.

If you are seriously interested about how guns work or why they are how they are, then there are plenty of resources you can look up. If you are just spouting off without thinking, then just be aware that doesn't make your position look like a reasoned one.
 
2014-08-04 07:23:12 AM

70Ford: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
Gimme a case of shells and a case of them Little Debbie snack cakes,


Somehow these guys always look like that. Just needs a fedora to be extra douchy.
 
2014-08-04 07:23:50 AM
By the way, used to ride my bike through town to go hunting when I was in 5th grade, with a shotgun or a .22 across the handlebars. Not a single eyebrow was raised. The horrors.....
 
2014-08-04 07:25:47 AM

Gunther: Rhaab: Christ, what an asshole.

Even lots of pro-gun folks think Open Carry assholes are assholes because they're bright enough to realize it's hurting their own cause. NOBODY is coming away with a more positive view of guns after interacting with that pasty sack of asshole-flavored walrus blubber.


+1.  Yarp.  We do.  And what makes it worse is that so many of them are technically right.  But, just because you can exercise right does not always mean that you have to.  Besides, the whole carrying a slung rifle or shotgun over your back is farking stupid in regards to personal protection.  Sure, if you have ample time you can unsling it, but if not then it is pretty much useless strapped to your back.
 
2014-08-04 07:26:55 AM

KIA: serpent_sky: Yes, it probably would be good to put some sort of reasonable limitations on open carry laws.

Well, how about we don't call it "limitations" since that runs smack into that whole "infringed" argument.  Counter-proposal: eliminate prohibitions against concealed carry and let Americans exercise their right to carry quietly and without terrorizing a bunch of soccer moms.


Concealed carry is, in and of itself, a limitation, if you want to be technical, but it is at least a logical one, since odds are, a law-abiding citizen who is carrying a concealed weapon is unlikely to use it, and we're unlikely to ever see it or know it is there.  I see nothing wrong with that, but I am of the mind that so long as someone isn't actually doing anything that affects me, I really don't care what they are doing.

I'm far, far, FAR from a soccer mom, but if someone walked into the grocery store with a rifle, I am getting the fark out of there as quickly as possible, and I am pretty sure we just found the bottom limit for me calling the police (who I also don't trust) once I am a safe distance away from it.  Again, I've lived in NY or CT my whole life. Nobody would walk into a store with a gun in their hands or on their back unless they were intending to (a) rob the place, (b) kill someone in there, or (c) they were a total lunatic trying to scare the hell out of people - which they would.

I'm not entirely sure why we, as a culture, should be desensitized to potentially dangerous weapons as to be comfortable with people walking everywhere openly showing them. This isn't Game of Thrones; we don't all need our weapons at hand at all times.  (I am actually a fan of swords and knives; can I just put a sword on my belt and wander these towns? Have a few knives clipped on the outside of my bag?)
 
2014-08-04 07:28:35 AM

Thunderpipes: Seems like a perfectly reasonable way to protest. Completely legal, and it is a very important right, one the country was founded upon.


Right... because TERRORISMS! AND TEH ALIANS! and things...

The important question is, when it comes to heroically parading around town with loaded weapons, how much is too much?

Trick question... There is no too much!
 
2014-08-04 07:29:36 AM
Insecure fatty masks insecurities with a gun and a phony cause. A tale as old as time.
 
2014-08-04 07:30:16 AM
If you feel threatened by this semi-retarded little fatso and his shotgun, are you allowed to shoot him?
If no, why not?

/feeling a bit cranky today
 
2014-08-04 07:31:19 AM
Apple cheeked Steve Lohner seems to be the embodiment of all that is wrong with American gun culture.
Bonus: refusal to obey /arguing with authority when asked a simple question in an area known to be affected by crime. I've been assured here on Fark that this a valid reason for cops to beat/shoot/taser/strangle/bodyslam random unarmed random folks.
 
2014-08-04 07:32:18 AM

LazyMedia: MagSeven: August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?

No. You should be feeding your unicorn some New York City salsa!

Many Southern liberals own guns or have friends who do. We're just not dicks about it.


Dicks about guns, or dicks about being liberal?
 
2014-08-04 07:32:23 AM

CRtwenty: These open carry guys are doing more to support new gun restrictions than any politician ever could.

And they don't even realize it.


I'm going to don my tinfoil hat and cleave to the idea that these so-called "open carry nuts" taking long guns into public venues to exercise their 2nd amendment rights are really undercover operatives for gun-grabbing libs running false-flag operations to promote public support for the restriction of gun rights.

I mean, they can't *really* be what they say they are.  They can't *really* think that they are helping.
 
2014-08-04 07:32:41 AM

Bslim: Farina added, "He may be within his rights and legal, within the law to carry this gun but if we're investigating it and he refuses to cooperate that may violate other municipal laws."


Investigating what? No crime was committed and he's within his rights, move along, pig.


Until they investigate, it's not clear that no crime was committed... I mean, how is the cop to know the kid is 18 if the kid refuses to identify himself?
 
pla
2014-08-04 07:32:42 AM
serpent_sky : People like this are going to ensure that open carry laws are changed or severely curtailed, if they keep it up.

Any "right" you can't actually act on - doesn't exist in the first place. We need more... Thousands more, Millions more, to start open carrying; not for protection but simply to make it normal again. You know what has changed between 1914 and 2014? in 1914, virtually everyone had seen and used a gun from an early age for both hunting and varmint-killing. In 2014, most people have only seen guns in movies, which adhere to Chekhov's rule: If you see a gun in the first act, it will get fired by the fourth act. Guns have gone from a tool to a prop for many (particularly urban, which I don't mean as a euphemism for "black") people; meanwhile, the other 50% of the country that lives outside the cities still uses them for hunting and varmint killing.


MagSeven : show me any shotgun as accurate as a rifle

You can effectively hunt deer with a slug out to around 50 yards. No, not as accurate as a rifle, but then, you wouldn't use a rifle for self defense, either! And, I'll let you in on a little secret - That legendary "spread" of pellets doesn't become the size of an SUV within just a few feet - More like 12-18in at 25 yards.  For comparison, you'd consider it a great day to pull off a 12in cluster at 25 yards from a carry-style (short barreled) pistol.
 
2014-08-04 07:33:29 AM

serpent_sky: Also, I think part of the reason these things get national attention is just how different the laws are in every state. Any one of those guys came trotting down the street around here, and there would be just short of, if not, a SWAT team on them in minutes.  But seeing guns is not normal around here and it would absolutely panic everyone.


I thought in some states, it was completely legal to shoot someone you felt was threatening your life and safety.  I could certainly see someone being in fear for their life and shooting baby Huey because, you know, he's walking around town pimping a farking shotgun a few days after a mass shooting.

www.quickmeme.com

/oh wait he's white nevermind
 
2014-08-04 07:34:44 AM

zamboni: TuteTibiImperes: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

He wasn't cited for carrying the gun, he was cited for refusing to provide identification, which was a valid request as by his appearance it was not clear whether or not he was old enough to be legally carrying the weapon.

He has no grounds to stand on to sue.

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary


The same should apply to Hispanic looking individuals in border states and minority voters too.  Or is that "different"?
 
2014-08-04 07:34:51 AM
Too bad self-righteousness isn't a felony, that would get a lot of loons off the street.
 
2014-08-04 07:36:21 AM

PreMortem: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

And if you had a lick of sense you would know most liberals are against stop and frisk, police checkpoints, voter ID laws, illegal searches and seizures, etc... . Conservatives have the market cornered on the desire for a police state.

It seems to me you have a lot more concern for his right to carry a shotgun than the cops demanding an ID. I wonder how you feel about stopping brown people and asking for their papers. Well, not really.


I'm quite sure that he, and all the other stalwarts who think they are defending the second amendment here, wouldn't be in the least pertrurbed if these fellows were exercising their rights out in front of their kid's school.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-04 07:37:20 AM

Close2TheEdge: Realistically, the kid is merely showing the stupidity of the law.  Although I'm happy I don't live there with the little nutjob, he technically has broken no laws.

Of course, getting "accidentally" shot by his own weapon is the justice we are all looking for here.  Not enough to kill him, of course, but maybe taking a foot or hand off.


Why do you think it would be justice for him to lose a foot or a hand? What has he actually done to deserve that? Simply acting asinine is not a reason to wish violence like that on someone. Hopefully the judge can explain a few things to him.

Banning open carry isn't going to stop mass murders by crazy people.
 
2014-08-04 07:37:31 AM

dstrick44: Apple cheeked Steve Lohner seems to be the embodiment of all that is wrong with American gun culture.
Bonus: refusal to obey /arguing with authority when asked a simple question in an area known to be affected by crime. I've been assured here on Fark that this a valid reason for cops to beat/shoot/taser/strangle/bodyslam random unarmed random folks.


Not random WHITE folks, you fool!
 
2014-08-04 07:38:02 AM

Marcus Aurelius: When I was growing up, there were only three reason to leave the house without a gun, and two of those were church and school.


You went to school?

/Kidding
 
2014-08-04 07:38:48 AM

Gunther: Even lots of pro-gun folks think Open Carry assholes are assholes because they're bright enough to realize it's hurting their own cause. NOBODY is coming away with a more positive view of guns after interacting with that pasty sack of asshole-flavored walrus blubber.

As someone who is in favor of more firearms regulation, this shiat is great. If you're an asshole gun owner who's gonna turn the public towards gun regulation, by all means; parade up and down sites where shooting sprees occurred while holding a shotgun, loudly braying about how what you're doing is legal. Please; try your best to upset and terrify as many people as possible.


Exactly my point; these people are not making people comfortable with firearms; they're not say, setting up a public display that shows people how guns work, how to safely handle them, so on and so forth. A true activist would do something like that; they'd be interested in educating people about the right to bear arms, educating people as to the proper way to carry, store, clean, and handle a gun. Instead, these specific flavors of wingnuts wander the streets yelling "MAH RIGHTS!" while appearing menacing and frightening to the average person because they're not actually interested in defending their rights, nor are they interested in educating anyone about firearms. They want to look like badasses and scream about guns.

I also can't help but find an 18-year-old who is terribly concerned about his Constitutional right to bear arms a wee bit disingenuous. Try to remember being 18.... what did you care about more than really, dating, partying, going off on your own (college, whatever) and developing your identity?  I can't help but think this kid is a bit touched, and really wouldn't be surprised if he ended up shooting some people sooner than later - either by accident (MAH RIGHTS, again) or because he's just one of those special ones we end up with from time to time.  And if my impression of him is incorrect, well, he only has himself to blame for that, no?
 
2014-08-04 07:38:52 AM

pla: We need more... Thousands more, Millions more, to start open carrying; not for protection but simply to make it normal again.


You're nostalgic for a time that never existed.
 
2014-08-04 07:39:06 AM

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


I bet that shiat would go out the window as soon as a black, Arab , or Latino decided to do the exact thing.
 
2014-08-04 07:40:18 AM

sycraft: Just wondering if you've ever owned a car, or any other mechanical device for that matter. If you have, you should be aware that all mechanical devices need maintenance. Your car is no exception, and guns are no exception. The usual purpose of disassembling a gun is to clean it and to oil it. Any time you have metal against metal, oil is a good idea. You might note your car has an oil pan for just that reason, and it needs to be periodically changed, along with its filter.


An oil change happens a few times a year, and carries next to zero risk of serious bodily injury if you have even the remotest idea what you're doing.  OTOH guns are infinitely less complicated mechanically and on a whole have much less raw death potential than a car, yet they still need to be constantly cleaned and adjusted, and will absolutely fark your shiat up if you commit one tiny brain fart.
 
2014-08-04 07:40:52 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: LazyMedia: MagSeven: August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?

No. You should be feeding your unicorn some New York City salsa!

Many Southern liberals own guns or have friends who do. We're just not dicks about it.

Dicks about guns, or dicks about being liberal?


Both.

When I carry, people don't know I am carrying.  I am not scared of the government or guns, but I am wary around those who get "big man syndrome" like Mr. Fat Cheeks in this article.  I question their view of what guns are "for" and feel that they are the type that use guns to settle a dispute they are on the losing end of, and stuff like that.
 
2014-08-04 07:41:12 AM

dookdookdook: FightDirector: Sometimes, you have to break one of the rules of gun safety (usually the "consider it always loaded", but sometimes the "never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot" - thank you Glock takedown procedure).  However, when you do so, you have to triple-check each of the other three safety rules.

To reference the "Glock" comment above - the procedure to field-strip a Glock pistol requires that you pull the trigger to release the slide&barrel assembly from the frame.  Therefore, you need to triple-check that the firearm is pointed in a safe direction, that you're aware of what is behind what it's pointed at, and that the firearm has been unloaded.  Triple-check each of those, and *then* it's safe to put your finger on that trigger.

So, educate me a little here:  Is there some innate reason why guns need to be such touchy, unstable things that will blow your hand off if you look at them wrong, or is it just that it would be freedom-destroying tyranny to try to encourage a little bit of a redesign?  We build cars that run perfectly fine for years without needing an untrained mechanic tinkering around with them constantly and accidentally blowing up the gas tank; why should guns need so much more attention?

Or is the constant cleaning and tinkering and fondling part of the attraction in the first place?


You don't HAVE to clean your gun after you use it, and you don't HAVE to change your oil every few thousand miles...but your gun and your car will each last longer if you do those things...or pay someone else to do them.

Clearer?
 
2014-08-04 07:43:06 AM

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


Now replace "carrying a gun" with "voting while brown" and oh what a difference.
 
2014-08-04 07:43:20 AM

fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.


If I have the long barrel and a decent choke on mine, it is pretty damn precise.
If I have the rifled barrel for shooting slugs it's pretty damn precise too

I wouldn't want to count on my precision if I had it set up for skeet shooting but at that point I'm firing 7.5 or 8 shot and the range isn't great anyway.

/Savage 320
//yes the other skeet guys give me a hard time
 
2014-08-04 07:44:40 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.

I bet that shiat would go out the window as soon as a black, Arab , or Latino decided to do the exact thing.


It was ok in this situation to shoot and kill a 13 year old walking down the street with a pellet gun
 
2014-08-04 07:45:22 AM

Avery614: /oh wait he's white nevermind


Ehhhh... that argument falls apart when you look at the photos of all the mass shooters in recent years. As a bonus, add in the average serial killer's profile, and it's almost always a white male. If you were going to place a bet on either, "white male" would always be the safest.
 
2014-08-04 07:46:51 AM

Avery614: I thought in some states, it was completely legal to shoot someone you felt was threatening your life and safety


That's actually true in most states.  Many people consider that unacceptable.  It's also worth nothing that the alternative is "you can't shoot until they've started shooting at you".  That should also be unacceptable, for obvious reasons.

dookdookdook: So, educate me a little here: Is there some innate reason why guns need to be such touchy, unstable things that will blow your hand off if you look at them wrong, or is it just that it would be freedom-destroying tyranny to try to encourage a little bit of a redesign? We build cars that run perfectly fine for years without needing an untrained mechanic tinkering around with them constantly and accidentally blowing up the gas tank; why should guns need so much more attention?


I'll take the question as legitimate, rather than responding to the (troll) tone.

Modern firearms are actually made to be fairly difficult to set off.  That is, they're next to impossible to set off if you do anything but pull the trigger.  Drop them, hammer them, put it on a chain and drag it behind a truck, hand it to the Mythbusters...whatever.  Unless you actually pull the trigger, the odds of a properly-maintained firearm manufactured in the last 30 years "just going off", is so low as to be indistinguishable from zero.

The flip side to that is, when you need to pull the trigger, gun manufacturers and gun owners want there to be as little *stuff* interfering with that process as possible.  Each *thing* between your decision to pull the trigger and the time the gun goes "bang" is a potential failure step, and if you're in a position where you actually do need to pull the trigger, a failure is a life-threatening thing.

So, essentially, gun manufacturers assume that the person holding the weapon is rational and competent enough to not put their booger hook on the bang switch without good cause.  If you put it there, and pull, then the gun not go bang.  Almost every "accidental shooting" ever is the result of somebody ignoring that fact, be it soldier, cop, or private citizen.  The failure is the person, not the machine.

Now, the reason the trigger pull is part of the takedown process on a Glock (and several other guns) is a desire to reduce weight (carrying a gun all day gets surprisingly heavy) and to reduce the number of switches and so forth sticking out of the gun (each of which represents a failure point and a thing to catch on clothing or a holster).  Plenty of other guns have takedown latches - but they all made the choice during design to accept the possibility of those failures.  Glock assumed that the owner would be competent enough to triple-check the firearm before taking it apart from regular maintenance so as to avoid an accidental discharge (and in so doing saved the weight and failure chance).
 
2014-08-04 07:47:21 AM

PunGent: You don't HAVE to clean your gun after you use it, and you don't HAVE to change your oil every few thousand miles...but your gun and your car will each last longer if you do those things...or pay someone else to do them.


The point is a car engine will run for months with no maintenance without any particular increased risk of failure, yet something that basically does nothing but smack a small piece of metal with another small piece of metal not only needs constant TLC to stay safe and functional, but will blow off body parts if not done with maximum care and attention.
 
2014-08-04 07:50:48 AM

Rattlehead: Kid needs to find a girlfriend.


In his mind, that's exactly what he's doing with this. And, for certain values of "girlfriend," the attention he's gotten for this may actually be enough for him to pull it off.

Let's all tip our fedoras in respect to a game well played.
 
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