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(The Raw Story)   Teenager in Aurora, Colorado trots around town carrying a shotgun, says he's free to do what he wants and to hell with everyone still concerned about the theater shooting; he has the Second Amendment on his side   (rawstory.com) divider line 1161
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2014-08-04 06:31:57 AM  

August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?


No. You should be feeding your unicorn some New York City salsa!
 
2014-08-04 06:32:03 AM  

fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.


His fantasy was to stir people up and cause a confrontation where he was technically in the right, and it played out *exactly* as he intended.
 
2014-08-04 06:32:19 AM  

dramboxf: TuteTibiImperes: There's no age limit on freedom of speech

Oh God, yes there is.

SCOTUS has held at least once that a public high school newspaper can be censored by the administration. If they don't like an article that might be published, then it's not published. If that's not an age-qualified limit on the First Amendment, I'd like to know what is.

//my school's paper was censored by the administration, on an article I wrote about sexual activity amongst the students based on a blind poll. My family (Dad) secured a First Amendment attorney who schooled us on just how limited student's FA rights are.


That's not based on age; that's based on the fact that the school (not the kids) publishes the paper. Freedom of the press belongs to the person who owns the press, not the hirelings who write for them. College newspapers are operated under the same principle. You weren't censored; you were edited.
 
2014-08-04 06:33:15 AM  
Is he old enough to buy cigerettes?

What exactly is the penalty for under age cigerette buying?
 
2014-08-04 06:33:15 AM  

Trailltrader: What people are missing here is- this teenager is 1: obeying he law  2: has committed no crime  3: and if you persecute him you are in violation of his 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment.

If you liberals had a lick of sense you'd drop those charges before a Constitution Attorney shows up on his doorstep, files a HUGE (relatively speaking) lawsuit against the city.  The police will have to show just cause to believe he was committing a crime- and the video doesn't show that.


Nice troll.
 
2014-08-04 06:34:09 AM  

MagSeven: August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?

No. You should be feeding your unicorn some New York City salsa!


Many Southern liberals own guns or have friends who do. We're just not dicks about it.
 
2014-08-04 06:34:18 AM  

kim jong-un: fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.

Most shotguns are very precise. They fire different types of shells, and if its loaded with a slug its as accurate as any other firearm.

But you would know that if you had any experience with firearms other than what you learned in videogames.

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2014-08-04 06:35:37 AM  
zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary


So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.

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2014-08-04 06:36:06 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When I was growing up, there were only three reason to leave the house without a gun, and two of those were church and school.


The third is a trip to the post office.
 
2014-08-04 06:36:20 AM  

Czechzican: You know this kid isn't doing it to exercise his whatever ammendment right. He is just doing to to be a little snot-rag. He's doing it to get a rise out of people that are still upset about a mass shooting. Negative attention is better than no attention.


Looks like he doesn't exercise at all.

/Listen fattie, drop the gun, drop 40 pounds, and pick up a guitar if you want to get laid.
 
2014-08-04 06:37:09 AM  

serial_crusher: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 625x431]
Um, I hope it wasn't loaded during the filming of this.

/ Gun is always loaded...


That is one dumb kid. Someone get him some gun safety lessons stat before he blows his fool head off.
 
2014-08-04 06:37:11 AM  
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Gimme a case of shells and a case of them Little Debbie snack cakes,
 
2014-08-04 06:37:54 AM  
That kid would be a lot better served by a couple if hours in the gym every week than by trotting a shiatgun around. Not that he's overweight- he just has that "I never move an inch further than necessary to survive" look, aka cardiac face.
 
2014-08-04 06:38:02 AM  

August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?


SSSHHut uuup! You're not supposed to let the nutjobs know liberals have guns too. Weren't you at the meeting last week?
 
2014-08-04 06:39:17 AM  

serial_crusher: Um, I hope it wasn't loaded during the filming of this.

/ Gun is always loaded...


If a gun is *always* loaded, how do you clean or transport them? ...because generally you shouldn't do those things with a loaded gun.
 
2014-08-04 06:39:47 AM  

FightDirector: On a tangental note, does a a right that people are too afraid to exercise actually mean anything?

If you have the right to open carry, but are put off of doing it because you're afraid of public outcry and/or the potential criminal penalties you mention, does that right really mean anything in a practical sense?

Among other things, open-carry laws help protect folks who are lawfully carrying concealed, but have their shirt ride up accidentally (bend over or reach for something high). In many states, that accident - of which you may not be aware - can instantly move you from "concealed carry" to "open carry" status. I would very, VERY much like to have a law banning open carry as per "intent to attention whore", while leaving people like hunters (who do, in fact "open carry" their weapons), but I'm pretty sure that it's an impossible law to write and an even more impossible law to enforce.

/this is why we cannot have nice things


Yes, it probably would be good to put some sort of reasonable limitations on open carry laws. There is entirely a different thing between your example of the responsible person who has their shirt ride up, or a hunter, and these guys who wander the streets with large guns - intentionally drawing attention to themselves and their guns - enough so to make the news where open carry laws are the norm.

It seems to me that they are doing something wrong when they end up getting media attention for doing something that is legal. Let's see... while it's entirely legal for a single, grown man to sit on a bench at the playground all day - he's going to attract unwanted attention because it will make people uncomfortable.  Depending on his intentions, he may also go to the media and talk about his rights to creep out parents by staring at their kids while doing nothing technically wrong.  I could legally cross the street back and forth all day on the green light, but I suspect the people in the houses by that corner would be a little freaked out by the person crossing the street, back and forth, all day long and again, unwanted attention.  It's kind of the best thing I can come up with that goes along with these open carry fanatics who walk around with rifles, making sure people see them, the media is called, so on and so forth.

Also, I think part of the reason these things get national attention is just how different the laws are in every state. Any one of those guys came trotting down the street around here, and there would be just short of, if not, a SWAT team on them in minutes.  But seeing guns is not normal around here and it would absolutely panic everyone. I'd think in a state where seeing guns is normal, yet these people end up upsetting/frightening people, there has to be some sort of clause in the law that yes, they can carry, but perhaps... setting up conditions and perimeters of some sort? A gun on someone's belt in a coffee shop is really different from someone walking into the same shop with a rifle in their hands, moving it around, I guess, flaunting it? Making sure everyone is more than aware they have a large gun on them as opposed to simply exercising their right to carry a gun?  (And even I am somewhat uncomfortable with my own words here because I'm not sure how you flaunt doing something you have a legal right to do, but.... maybe it's more that these people have the intent of stirring the pot and upsetting people so they'll get this sort of attention as opposed to the person who bought a gun for personal protection and just has it on them, in compliance with the law? Though again, you can't legislate intent.)

Damn... it's just an all around hairy issue. Like I said, I see these people, more than anything, ultimately leading to the repeal or restriction of open carry laws because they're just too much trouble to deal with under the current laws.  A lot of fanatics/extremists in this country forget that laws and regulations can be changed, and their own behavior can be used against them when/if that happens.
 
2014-08-04 06:40:06 AM  

FightDirector: serpent_sky: I also can't see how open carry laws (regarding walking down city streets just holding a shotgun or what-have-you) don't somewhat contradict laws against inciting a panic or the used to cover anything we don't like "makingterroristic threats". It could just be the raised in NY, living in CT me, but I'd be pretty panicked if I headed out to the stores later and a guy was walking down Post Road with a shotgun, and I imagine most people would.

On a tangental note, does a a right that people are too afraid to exercise actually mean anything?

If you have the right to open carry, but are put off of doing it because you're afraid of public outcry and/or the potential criminal penalties you mention, does that right really mean anything in a practical sense?

Among other things, open-carry laws help protect folks who are lawfully carrying concealed, but have their shirt ride up accidentally (bend over or reach for something high).  In many states, that accident - of which you may not be aware - can instantly move you from "concealed carry" to "open carry" status.  I would very, VERY much like to have a law banning open carry as per "intent to attention whore", while leaving people like hunters (who do, in fact "open carry" their weapons), but I'm pretty sure that it's an impossible law to write and an even more impossible law to enforce.

/this is why we cannot have nice things


Georgia law already does that. You can't wander around with a shotgun, unless you're hunting (and you can get a ticket for doing it without a hunting license). Thank goodness, because suburban Atlanta is Ground Zero for some of your more virulent wingnuts; they'd be stomping around Wal-Mart and Chipotle with ARs on their backs in a heartbeat if they could.
 
2014-08-04 06:41:05 AM  
DYAC thinks "shotgun" is "shiatgun." I have weirder conversations than I was aware of.
 
2014-08-04 06:42:05 AM  

whitman00: zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary

So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.


Homeboy there in the pic might be a hair safer with a gun, as it's likely he knows someone who got the business end of one.

Pasty McWobblecheeks will likely never encounter a similar situation, unless he starts shiat himself.
 
2014-08-04 06:42:24 AM  

balisane: That kid would be a lot better served by a couple if hours in the gym every week than by trotting a shiatgun around. Not that he's overweight- he just has that "I never move an inch further than necessary to survive" look, aka cardiac face.


The fark he isn't overweight. That kid's at least 30 pounds overweight; borderline obese. Man, Americans really have no idea what normal is supposed to look like any more.
 
2014-08-04 06:43:29 AM  

Mentat: We hit peak wank in this thread pretty quickly.


Drew has been corrupted by the wankery-industrial complex.

Delay: Maybe they are just compensating or something.


Careful, you're coming close to violating Malarkey's Law, or something.

charlesmartel11235: [beta.img.cbsnews.com image 640x480]


He really does have a Ted Cruz-level of punchable face.

ScaryBottles: kim jong-un: fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.

Most shotguns are very precise. They fire different types of shells, and if its loaded with a slug its as accurate as any other firearm.

But you would know that if you had any experience with firearms other than what you learned in videogames.
[www.memelets.com image 769x595]


Something something you have been banned from r/pyongyang.
 
2014-08-04 06:44:05 AM  

jshine: serial_crusher: Um, I hope it wasn't loaded during the filming of this.

/ Gun is always loaded...

If a gun is *always* loaded, how do you clean or transport them? ...because generally you shouldn't do those things with a loaded gun.


Competent firearm instructors will tell you the 4 rules of gun safety, and then point out something very important:

Sometimes, you have to break one of the rules of gun safety (usually the "consider it always loaded", but sometimes the "never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot" - thank you Glock takedown procedure).  However, when you do so, you have to triple-check each of the other three safety rules.

To reference the "Glock" comment above - the procedure to field-strip a Glock pistol requires that you pull the trigger to release the slide&barrel assembly from the frame.  Therefore, you need to triple-check that the firearm is pointed in a safe direction, that you're aware of what is behind what it's pointed at, and that the firearm has been unloaded.  Triple-check each of those, and *then* it's safe to put your finger on that trigger.
 
2014-08-04 06:47:14 AM  

jshine: serial_crusher: Um, I hope it wasn't loaded during the filming of this.

/ Gun is always loaded...

If a gun is *always* loaded, how do you clean or transport them? ...because generally you shouldn't do those things with a loaded gun.


You unload it and you sure as fark don't point it at anything you don't want to put a hole through.

/and the moment a gun is out of sight, assume it walked itself across the room and re-loaded.
//Fark Gun Safety 101
 
2014-08-04 06:49:22 AM  
These open carry guys are doing more to support new gun restrictions than any politician ever could.

And they don't even realize it.
 
2014-08-04 06:51:11 AM  
Darwin in a can and he has a shotgun to open it with. What a cocksucker.
 
2014-08-04 06:51:41 AM  
Realistically, the kid is merely showing the stupidity of the law.  Although I'm happy I don't live there with the little nutjob, he technically has broken no laws.

Of course, getting "accidentally" shot by his own weapon is the justice we are all looking for here.  Not enough to kill him, of course, but maybe taking a foot or hand off.
 
2014-08-04 06:52:22 AM  

LazyMedia: Georgia law already does that


Indeed.  However, other places do not.

serpent_sky: Damn... it's just an all around hairy issue. Like I said, I see these people, more than anything, ultimately leading to the repeal or restriction of open carry laws because they're just too much trouble to deal with under the current laws.


Yup, it's largely a matter of intent.  "Intent to walk around with a firearm in a safe, controlled, and nonthreatening** manner" should be legal, while "intent to attention whore with a gun" should not.   However, it's next to impossible to actually enforce or write legislation based on intent.  One can DO it...but it tends to simply become a de facto prohibition on even the legal facet of the activity.

A similar example is the ban of torrent programs on college campuses (utorrent, etc).  There's absolutely free, legal, torrent downloads out there (Microsoft released Mechwarrior 4:Mercs and all the expansions as a torrent a few years ago, for example), but because there's no way to tell the intent behind having that program installed on your computer, the whole thing ends up getting banned.


**I'm aware there are some people who consider being able to see a gun whatsoever as "threatening".  I remember having somebody in my apartment who saw a completely disassembled pistol on a table in an unocccupied side room and wanted to know if it was "going to suddenly go off".  Those people are stupid, and should be ignored.
 
2014-08-04 06:55:02 AM  

ghare: August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?

SSSHHut uuup! You're not supposed to let the nutjobs know liberals have guns too. Weren't you at the meeting last week?


My bad.
 
2014-08-04 06:55:04 AM  

LazyMedia: balisane: That kid would be a lot better served by a couple if hours in the gym every week than by trotting a shiatgun around. Not that he's overweight- he just has that "I never move an inch further than necessary to survive" look, aka cardiac face.

The fark he isn't overweight. That kid's at least 30 pounds overweight; borderline obese. Man, Americans really have no idea what normal is supposed to look like any more.


I basically don't make assumptions about someone's body composition until they've swanned around me in something form-fitting. Nevertheless, I stand by my assessment of his "gonna have congestive heart failure in 20 years" pre-edema face.
 
2014-08-04 06:55:58 AM  
Behold a future spittle flecked arsehole. Bet his hero is Ted Nugent.
 
2014-08-04 06:55:59 AM  
Guntard heroes are the classiest...

Have we hit peak gunpocalypse yet?
 
2014-08-04 06:56:22 AM  
Needing to show ID when buying alcohol if you look under 21? Fine.
Needing to show ID when buying cigarettes if you look under 18? Fine.
Needing to show ID when buying R-rated movie tickets if you look under 17? A-OK.
Needing to show ID when voting if you...well, I don't know what? Patriotically combatting voter fraud.

Needing to show ID when carrying a shotgun if you look under 18? HITLER!
 
KIA
2014-08-04 06:57:16 AM  

serpent_sky: Yes, it probably would be good to put some sort of reasonable limitations on open carry laws.


Well, how about we don't call it "limitations" since that runs smack into that whole "infringed" argument.  Counter-proposal: eliminate prohibitions against concealed carry and let Americans exercise their right to carry quietly and without terrorizing a bunch of soccer moms.
 
2014-08-04 06:57:57 AM  

FightDirector: **I'm aware there are some people who consider being able to see a gun whatsoever as "threatening". I remember having somebody in my apartment who saw a completely disassembled pistol on a table in an unocccupied side room and wanted to know if it was "going to suddenly go off". Those people are stupid, and should be ignored.


Transformers is real to them, damnit?
 
2014-08-04 06:58:10 AM  
Could they have got the kid on "brandishing"? Not sure if that delightfully vague charge is an option in Colorado....
 
2014-08-04 06:59:37 AM  
When asked to provide ID proving his age, Lohner refused to do so, while videotaping the encounter (seen below) on his phone.

Oh he's one of those assholes.
 
2014-08-04 07:01:53 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Could they have got the kid on "brandishing"? Not sure if that delightfully vague charge is an option in Colorado....


The easiest way to do it would be a disorderly conduct charge. The gun is merely tangential to the fact that the defendant was trying to cause a public disturbance and incite civil unrest. While his carrying a gun was not in and of itself unlawful, his behavior in attempting cause a disturbance was. Same deal as you have a right to free speech, but if cops find you screaming in an apartment complex late at night, they're gonna haul your ass to jail.
 
2014-08-04 07:03:35 AM  

Yaw String: Insert token masturbation reference here.


I'm just waiting for the firearm-to-penis size correlation drinking game to begin.
 
2014-08-04 07:04:05 AM  

whitman00: zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary

So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.


I am. The police have no right to stop you unless they believe you are breaking the law. If it's not illegal to open carry then they should be able to do so unharassed. The law applies to every one, even people you don't like.
 
2014-08-04 07:04:26 AM  

August11: As a gun-owning liberal, should I even be in this thread?


Yeah, we can be here... it's just impossible for us to post anything and expect any traction from it. Being the most sensible of the gun-owning segment of the USA, our rational thought doesn't have any opportunity to take hold before the weirdos chime in. Just have a look at Weeners by Trailltrader and the Boobies made by Dramboxf a dozen or so after it.

Now, I'm pretty sure based on his profile that Trailltrader is a troll. I mean, he's weighing in on the discussion before there is any discussion taking place, and he doesn't even have the details correct. On the other hand, that's pretty much exactly how the NRA works: they don't understand the 2nd Amendment, and they love to argue and debate things that don't need to be argued and debated.

Dramboxf, on the other hand, apparently just invents narratives to prove unimportant points. Really... his dad hired a "first amendment attorney" to discuss why the student newspaper wouldn't publish his opinion poll about sex. *big farking roll-eyes.*  Riiiiight. His girlfriend in Canada was super-supportive of it too. ANyhow, that type of story is great because on the 0.00001% chance that it is actually true, it shows how he was raised to believe that normal expectations of people living in society were to be interpreted as affronts to god-given rights.
 
2014-08-04 07:06:14 AM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-08-04 07:06:33 AM  
Lorelle:  Why are they always so white and pasty??

Because some basements are not equipped with sun lamps and tanning beds.
 
2014-08-04 07:07:13 AM  

Lorelle: Yaw String: Insert token masturbation reference here.

Nut-Rubbing Anuses


Yes, you've made it clear what you're obsessed with, but what does that have to do with the article?
 
2014-08-04 07:10:32 AM  

GodComplex: whitman00: zamboni:

You must show me your papers before you are allowed to use your Constitutional rights... just like voting, speaking, writing, congregating etc.

Scary

So, if the MS13 street gang came to your street and were open carrying, you are on record that the police have no right to ask them anything unless.  Good to know.

I am. The police have no right to stop you unless they believe you are breaking the law. If it's not illegal to open carry then they should be able to do so unharassed. The law applies to every one, even people you don't like.


As the jerk looked under 18, the police did have a reasonable suspicion that he was breaking the law by carrying a firearm while underage.  Given that reasonable suspicion, the law allows them to ask for identification so they can determine if a law is being broken.

The law applies to everyone, even attention whoring dickless gun-nuts, and if you don't want to be asked to show your ID, don't walk around town waving a shotgun.  Also, don't try to buy booze, porn, cigarettes, or lottery tickets.
 
2014-08-04 07:11:14 AM  

serial_crusher: ok, this reporter needs to learn how to pronounce the word "records" in this context.


+1.

I had to listen to it twice just to make sure my ears were not deceiving me!
 
2014-08-04 07:11:36 AM  
He has the right to do this, yes, but if your primary motivation for doing something is "I have a right to do this," you're probably an asshole.
 
2014-08-04 07:11:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When I was growing up, there were only three reason to leave the house without a gun, and two of those were church and school.


And the third one was 'going to a movie theater'?

/ *Among* the reasons for leaving the house without a gun, we count...
 
2014-08-04 07:12:22 AM  
I'm sorry to bother you, but is that an optical sight on a shotgun? It's hard to tell on a handheld screen.
 
2014-08-04 07:13:13 AM  

fusillade762: "For the defense of myself and those around me."

Sure, because a shotgun is such a precise weapon and could never hit a bystander by accident. And that's in the astronomically remote chance this idiot's fantasy played out.


It appears that he has a reflex sight mounted on the shotgun, so of course he is not going to hit anyone but his target!

/sarcasm
 
2014-08-04 07:13:25 AM  
These douchenozzles would do their cause much better service by inviting a friend who never held a gun to the range. Parading around visibly armed while claiming it's so he could defend himself and others from some vaporous "enemy" smacks of dumbass comic book heroics.

Was he walking around some dodgy neighborhood escorting fair maidens home from a kegger?
 
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