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(Orlando Sentinel)   SeaWorld forced to become "whale truthers" in light of increased public and PETA scrutiny   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 66
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2014-08-03 05:39:42 PM  
Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.
 
2014-08-03 06:42:38 PM  

fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.


They just need The Truth.
 
2014-08-03 07:01:06 PM  
I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?
 
2014-08-03 07:02:24 PM  

EdgeRunner: I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?


Whales forged Obamas birth certificate.
 
2014-08-03 07:02:50 PM  

EdgeRunner: I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?


That's how we justify torture.
 
2014-08-03 07:05:24 PM  
www.angelo.edu
 
2014-08-03 07:06:42 PM  

Krieghund: EdgeRunner: I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?

That's how we justify torture.


The above comment doesn't reflect my view of Sea World, for the record.
 
2014-08-03 07:07:10 PM  
I went to sea world as a child in the 80's. I loved sea animals; especially penguins. Sea world is like any other Zoo; the only difference being the animals in question. Do they do fishy(har har) stuff? All companies do hinky things from time to time. It would probably help if the organization was more transparent and made the tanks larger; but, that's just speculation.
 
2014-08-03 07:09:32 PM  
Not sure what he's really like, but just going by that interview, the guy sounds like an insufferable tool.
 
2014-08-03 07:10:03 PM  

optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.


I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.
 
2014-08-03 07:14:31 PM  
OK, what part of killer whale do people not understand about the orcas?
 
2014-08-03 07:16:02 PM  

fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.


Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.

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2014-08-03 07:20:10 PM  
Killer whales should not be held in captivity for entertainment

/is that so difficult?
 
2014-08-03 07:22:38 PM  
go see  Blackfish
 
2014-08-03 07:24:20 PM  
PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.
 
2014-08-03 07:25:46 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: go see  Blackfish


This.  It streams on Netflix.
 
2014-08-03 07:28:09 PM  

LazyMedia: PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.


So as long as you disagree with a group, it's okay to ignore the facts they present?
 
2014-08-03 07:32:23 PM  
Come to Niagara Falls Marineland and see the mass animal graves instead!
 
2014-08-03 07:32:42 PM  

mikebdoss: LazyMedia: PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.

So as long as you disagree with a group, it's okay to ignore the facts they present?


Not so much disagree as discount. PETA doesn't think ANY animal, EVER, should be kept in captivity, so it's hard to pay too much attention to them to see if they're pointing out actual cruelty. ASPCA is a better source.
 
2014-08-03 07:33:24 PM  

mikebdoss: LazyMedia: PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.

So as long as you disagree with a group, it's okay to ignore the facts they present?


No,  it just makes it harder to discern what the real facts are when a group puts out too much BS.
 
2014-08-03 07:33:39 PM  
They just need to be sent back to the moon.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-03 07:39:57 PM  

Felgraf: fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.

Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.


Sea World shouldn't continue Making Money from enslaving animals.
 
2014-08-03 07:42:57 PM  

mikebdoss: LazyMedia: PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.

So as long as you disagree with a group, it's okay to ignore the facts they present?


The facts aren't being ignored. LazyMedia said they have a point. He's just pointing out that when an organization is an insatiable douche all the time, one isn't inclined to listen to them
 
2014-08-03 07:50:19 PM  

Chinchillazilla: Felgraf: fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.

Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.

Sea World shouldn't continue Making Money from enslaving animals.


None of these water animal places should be allowed at all,  are there any that treat animals properly and keep them healthy?

I'd close down Marineland if I could.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/08/15/marineland_animals_suf fe ring_former_staffers_say.html
 
2014-08-03 08:35:31 PM  
I could give them some pointers.
 
2014-08-03 08:45:11 PM  

Chinchillazilla: Felgraf: fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.

Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.

Sea World shouldn't continue Making Money from enslaving animals.


If they have negative press it could be a Bad Omen.
 
2014-08-03 09:05:13 PM  
I don't mind aquariums making money from tourist when they are in the business of rehabilitating wildlife for future release or giving then a permanent home if the animal's injury prevents them from successful release.

What I have issues with is companies like Sea World paying these whalers to supply them with new stock while said whalers are slaughtering these creatures.

Hard to believe a company like Sea World supports conservation of sea life if they pay and support those slaughtering them.
 
2014-08-03 09:25:40 PM  
I wonder how many of the morons "boycotting SeaWorld" also boycott products made in Japan... ya know, considering Japan literally slaughters thousands of marine mammals per year.

I'm betting not many.
 
2014-08-03 10:11:35 PM  

Felgraf: fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.

Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.

/Ilovethisthreadsomuch.jpg


Rites? Catholic whales?
 
2014-08-03 10:16:44 PM  

EdgeRunner: I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?


Whales aren't responsible for 9/11, but they did bomb Japan to end WWII, and first astronauts from the Mexican Space Agency to make it to the moon.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I wonder how many of the morons "boycotting SeaWorld" also boycott products made in Japan... ya know, considering Japan literally slaughters thousands of marine mammals per year.

I'm betting not many.


That's a false equivalency.  Japan is a nation of about 120 million people, and yes, the government supports legal whaling, but that's like boycotting the U.S. entire U.S. because you don't like guns.  It assumes that everyone in Japan supports whaling.

On the other hand, Seaworld is an organization that keeps whales captive, so if you think that keeping whales captive is wrong, then boycotting Seaworld makes perfect sense.  Boycotting the companies running the ships in the Japanese whaling fleet would be a better comparison, or even boycotting companies based on whether Japanese politicians in favor of whaling hold stock would be a more reasonable counter option.

So, by all means, if you boycott Seaworld, boycott Japanese fishing fleets, but boycotting Toyota doesn't make much sense (unless there is a connection between Toyota and the fishing fleets).
 
2014-08-03 10:18:35 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I wonder how many of the morons "boycotting SeaWorld" also boycott products made in Japan... ya know, considering Japan literally slaughters thousands of marine mammals per year.

I'm betting not many.


And how are those two things related, exactly?

A Sea World boycott is against an organization that has built its reputation on shows with captive animals. It is an action directed to stand against a specific group of people doing a specifically objectionable thing.

A boycott on all things Japanese is against an entire culture where a small fraction of people are whaling. That would be like boycotting Made in the USA products because you don't like Sea World.
 
2014-08-03 10:20:55 PM  
For Farks sake ... go or don't go ... like Sea World or not ... I LOVE Sea World, if I lived closer I would have a season pass. I don't agree the animals are enslaved or mis-treated. Sea World does a better job of taking care of their animals than most of the zoos I've visited. I don't understand the witch hunt going on?
 
2014-08-03 10:22:53 PM  

FizixJunkee: E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: go see  Blackfish

This.  It streams on Netflix.


That was my favorite new show of the season. James Spader is terrific in it; NBC has a good thing going right now.
 
2014-08-03 10:28:38 PM  

HoratioGates: EdgeRunner: I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?

Whales aren't responsible for 9/11, but they did bomb Japan to end WWII, and first astronauts from the Mexican Space Agency to make it to the moon.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I wonder how many of the morons "boycotting SeaWorld" also boycott products made in Japan... ya know, considering Japan literally slaughters thousands of marine mammals per year.

I'm betting not many.

That's a false equivalency.  Japan is a nation of about 120 million people, and yes, the government supports legal whaling, but that's like boycotting the U.S. entire U.S. because you don't like guns.  It assumes that everyone in Japan supports whaling.

On the other hand, Seaworld is an organization that keeps whales captive, so if you think that keeping whales captive is wrong, then boycotting Seaworld makes perfect sense.  Boycotting the companies running the ships in the Japanese whaling fleet would be a better comparison, or even boycotting companies based on whether Japanese politicians in favor of whaling hold stock would be a more reasonable counter option.

So, by all means, if you boycott Seaworld, boycott Japanese fishing fleets, but boycotting Toyota doesn't make much sense (unless there is a connection between Toyota and the fishing fleets).


You're absolutely right, I concede the point.
 
2014-08-03 10:34:18 PM  

neeky_neeky_foxth: For Farks sake ... go or don't go ... like Sea World or not ... I LOVE Sea World, if I lived closer I would have a season pass. I don't agree the animals are enslaved or mis-treated. Sea World does a better job of taking care of their animals than most of the zoos I've visited. I don't understand the witch hunt going on?


It's mostly because of a popular documentary called Blackfish, an expose of orcas in captivity. It's worth a watch if only to understand what people are talking about. However, like all such documentaries, it should be taken with a truckload of salt.  The filmmakers have strong incentive to exaggerate, misrepresent, and outright lie in service to their cause, knowing that very, very few people will bother to think critically about or further investigate what they are watching.
 
2014-08-03 11:01:36 PM  

Weatherkiss: They just need to be sent back to the moon.

[i.imgur.com image 600x375]


Leaving satisfied.
 
2014-08-03 11:04:58 PM  

mikebdoss: LazyMedia: PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.

So as long as you disagree with a group, it's okay to ignore the facts they present?


The facts they present are probably incredibly selective and cooked to hell. In the real world, the credibility of the messenger is a big farking deal, especially int eh advocacy world. You generally don't have a whole lot of money, you don't generally have much or any political power, all you have is the ability to mobilize people though moral force. And the first and most basic key to that is that people have to believe you when you say something.

And that's the rub: In the case of PETA, they don't just lack credibility. They lack credibility reliably enough that it's predictive- if PETA says something, you can rely on the opposite to be true.

Rostin: neeky_neeky_foxth: For Farks sake ... go or don't go ... like Sea World or not ... I LOVE Sea World, if I lived closer I would have a season pass. I don't agree the animals are enslaved or mis-treated. Sea World does a better job of taking care of their animals than most of the zoos I've visited. I don't understand the witch hunt going on?

It's mostly because of a popular documentary called Blackfish, an expose of orcas in captivity. It's worth a watch if only to understand what people are talking about. However, like all such documentaries, it should be taken with a truckload of salt.  The filmmakers have strong incentive to exaggerate, misrepresent, and outright lie in service to their cause, knowing that very, very few people will bother to think critically about or further investigate what they are watching.


That's the key- documentaries like that are made by people with strong agendas. They are not objective presentations of fact, made from an objective prospective. They are made when somebody, rightly or wrongly, gets worked up about how evil something is and wants to expose it to the world. Exaggeration, misrepresentation, and lies are tools of the trade. Sometimes they're intentional. Usually they're not, it's just because the maker is so blinded by the righteousness of their own cause that they can't step back and actually take a critical look at the shiat they're spewing.
 
2014-08-03 11:08:19 PM  

Weatherkiss: They just need to be sent back to the moon.

[i.imgur.com image 600x375]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0UvktZTAkc
 
2014-08-03 11:21:47 PM  
archive.sapsustainabilityreport.com

"We've investigated ourselves, and found ourselves to be
completely above board and cleared of any wrongdoing."

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"We know that feel, bro."
 
2014-08-03 11:24:34 PM  

EdgeRunner: I don't get it. How does blaming whales for 9/11 help anything?


Because Gitmo, Obama, Crimea, and reasons and stuff. We all know who was responsible for 9/11:

1.bp.blogspot.com

www.myconfinedspace.com
 
2014-08-03 11:45:54 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Killer whales should not be held in captivity for entertainment

/is that so difficult?


It's largely because of three or four famous, captive whales that millions of people give a damn about the species, but I get your point.
 
2014-08-03 11:49:00 PM  

Truther: I could give them some pointers.


That's generous of you, but they work with marine animals, not dogs.
 
2014-08-04 12:03:10 AM  
Remember, freeing Killer Whales doesn't always end well.
 
2014-08-04 12:06:13 AM  
I wonder if the Terry Prather comments are losing Steam?


/Vimes
 
2014-08-04 12:44:45 AM  

farkyourface: Felgraf: fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.

Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.

/Ilovethisthreadsomuch.jpg

Rites? Catholic whales?


After the third comment in a similar vein, I looked it up. Turns out Equal Rites is a book by Terry Pratchett, and the Sea World guy's name is Terry Prather. Yet another twist on the absolutely hilarious "RIP <so and so>" Fark meme.

/Why yes, I do despise that meme.
//What's that? "Welcome to Fark"? Thank you!
 
2014-08-04 12:47:44 AM  

optikeye: Chinchillazilla: Felgraf: fusillade762: optikeye: fusillade762: Terry Prather

Looks to be interesting times for SeaWorld.

They just need The Truth.

I'm not sure they want that. If so then they should probably hire more security guards. Guards to keep the documentary filmmakers out.

Well, there are some who feel whales should have, if not Equal Rites, at least some semblance of them.

Sea World shouldn't continue Making Money from enslaving animals.

If they have negative press it could be a Bad Omen.


I'm sure all the usual Lords and Ladies will be there, regardless.
 
2014-08-04 01:42:06 AM  

Pawprint: Yet another twist on the absolutely hilarious "RIP <so and so>" Fark meme.

/Why yes, I do despise that meme.


I don't think it's that so much.

When I first opened the article, due to size of the tab, "Terry Prat" was the tab name.  When  flicked to the tab I still thought it said "Terry Pratchett".

Then my brain fully engaged and properly interpreted what I read.

/I too, loathe that meme
//But this is not that
 
2014-08-04 03:08:41 AM  

Boo_Guy: mikebdoss: LazyMedia: PETA probably has a point about sea mammal captivity, but they have so little credibility that it's hard to listen to them. They'll be going from here to protest at a lobster restaurant.

So as long as you disagree with a group, it's okay to ignore the facts they present?

No,  it just makes it harder to discern what the real facts are when a group puts out too much BS.


Watch out!  There's a wolf after the sheep!
 
2014-08-04 03:11:07 AM  

Weatherkiss: They just need to be sent back to the moon.

[i.imgur.com image 600x375]


Great.  They go back to the Moon and get hunted by the Amazon Women there.
 
2014-08-04 06:29:13 AM  

cptjeff: That's the key- documentaries like that are made by people with strong agendas. They are not objective presentations of fact, made from an objective prospective


So you're saying that everything in that documentary was somehow staged?
 
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