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(Kansas.com)   Kansas Secretary of State doesn't think "churches" disagree with voter ID laws. Some "people" disagree   (kansas.com ) divider line 83
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2014-08-03 01:16:55 PM  
Kansas Secretary of State doesn't think "churches" disagree with voter ID laws. Some "people" disagree

/Sorry, obvious joke was obvious.

fta: Wade Moor from Wichita's Christian Faith Center said Kobach "definitely hasn't talked to any African American churches"...

Who do you think he meant when he said "churches in quotation marks"?
 
2014-08-03 01:37:08 PM  
Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.
 
2014-08-03 01:40:38 PM  

quatchi: Kansas Secretary of State doesn't think "churches" disagree with voter ID laws. Some "people" disagree

/Sorry, obvious joke was obvious.

fta: Wade Moor from Wichita's Christian Faith Center said Kobach "definitely hasn't talked to any African American churches"...

Who do you think he meant when he said "churches in quotation marks"?


He was claiming that the people who disagree with him do not represent their entire church, and therefore he would not call them "churches".
 
2014-08-03 01:46:12 PM  

ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.


it's the example of what happens to a government when the teabaggers get total control.

It's about to go totally tits-up, and the evil Federal Gubbmit the teabaggers hate so much will probably have to bail them out.
 
2014-08-03 01:58:21 PM  
Why in the flying fark does it matter what any church thinks about a voter ID law?
 
2014-08-03 01:59:48 PM  

ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.


Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?
 
2014-08-03 02:02:43 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Why in the flying fark does it matter what any church thinks about a voter ID law?


Here's a clue Einstein -- try to imagine what institution is going to speak up for the people too poor to obtain IDs.
 
2014-08-03 02:06:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?


Sunflowers? Beats me.

jake_lex: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

it's the example of what happens to a government when the teabaggers get total control.

It's about to go totally tits-up, and the evil Federal Gubbmit the teabaggers hate so much will probably have to bail them out.


Oh good. Another group of hateful people to subsidize. Yay.
 
2014-08-03 02:30:13 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?


the barbecue?
 
2014-08-03 02:34:20 PM  

SilentStrider: TuteTibiImperes: Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

the barbecue?


Better BBQ to be had in NC or TX (depending on your preference for swine or beef) and if you're really a devotee of the KC style, that's in MO anyway.
 
2014-08-03 02:44:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: SilentStrider: TuteTibiImperes: Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

the barbecue?

Better BBQ to be had in NC or TX (depending on your preference for swine or beef) and if you're really a devotee of the KC style, that's in MO anyway.


fair enough.
 
2014-08-03 03:53:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?


KU?
 
2014-08-03 03:56:59 PM  
I still keep expecting them to demand that the name of Liberal be changed immediately

/any day now, I'm sure
 
2014-08-03 04:00:59 PM  
"I don't know which churches - and I would put churches in quotation marks - because the vast majority of church leaders I've spoken to are fully in favor of our photo ID law," he said

Gee, it's almost as if you associate with people who share your beliefs!  How weird!!
 
2014-08-03 04:01:12 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: quatchi: Kansas Secretary of State doesn't think "churches" disagree with voter ID laws. Some "people" disagree

/Sorry, obvious joke was obvious.

fta: Wade Moor from Wichita's Christian Faith Center said Kobach "definitely hasn't talked to any African American churches"...

Who do you think he meant when he said "churches in quotation marks"?

He was claiming that the people who disagree with him do not represent their entire church, and therefore he would not call them "churches".


How very convenient that the churches that oppose voter ID laws are the kind that don't have an official spokesman who can speak for the entire church.
 
2014-08-03 04:01:58 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: quatchi: Kansas Secretary of State doesn't think "churches" disagree with voter ID laws. Some "people" disagree

/Sorry, obvious joke was obvious.

fta: Wade Moor from Wichita's Christian Faith Center said Kobach "definitely hasn't talked to any African American churches"...

Who do you think he meant when he said "churches in quotation marks"?

He was claiming that the people who disagree with him do not represent their entire church, and therefore he would not call them "churches".


Amazingly, he also stated that the "church leaders" (single people) he spoke with were all for it, and in that case the single person IS the "church."  I think we have a Schroedinger's Church situation brewing.
 
2014-08-03 04:11:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: SilentStrider: TuteTibiImperes: Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

the barbecue?

Better BBQ to be had in NC or TX (depending on your preference for swine or beef) and if you're really a devotee of the KC style, that's in MO anyway.


burnt ends are a kansas city bbq staple and the greatest gift the bbq gods ever bestowed on mankind. Also, OK Joes is the best KC has to offer and it is on the KC side.
 
2014-08-03 04:12:21 PM  
Kris Kobach is human garbage.
 
2014-08-03 04:14:56 PM  

rtaylor92: TuteTibiImperes: SilentStrider: TuteTibiImperes: Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

the barbecue?

Better BBQ to be had in NC or TX (depending on your preference for swine or beef) and if you're really a devotee of the KC style, that's in MO anyway.

burnt ends are a kansas city bbq staple and the greatest gift the bbq gods ever bestowed on mankind. Also, OK Joes is the best KC has to offer and it is on the KC side.


But is it worth crossing the state line? Has the infection taken the city as well?
 
2014-08-03 04:15:03 PM  
Why would a church's political opinion matter?
 
2014-08-03 04:15:46 PM  
Calm down guys. Obama will fix this; then, dead people can go back to voting for hippies.
 
2014-08-03 04:19:46 PM  

cchris_39: Why would a church's political opinion matter?


Maybe you should ask the framers of the RFRA, DOMA, etc.

How do you maintain your membership in the Tea Party if you can't even remember their most basic tenets?  You are terrible.
 
2014-08-03 04:23:45 PM  

Alphax: TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

KU?


You can already get that from the site that posts the cleavage pics in KU shirts.
 
2014-08-03 04:24:32 PM  

Summoner101: rtaylor92: TuteTibiImperes: SilentStrider: TuteTibiImperes: Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

the barbecue?

Better BBQ to be had in NC or TX (depending on your preference for swine or beef) and if you're really a devotee of the KC style, that's in MO anyway.

burnt ends are a kansas city bbq staple and the greatest gift the bbq gods ever bestowed on mankind. Also, OK Joes is the best KC has to offer and it is on the KC side.

But is it worth crossing the state line? Has the infection taken the city as well?


The Kansas side of Kansas City isn't too bad. Its when you get into the suburbs in Johnson County is when you start to experience the derp.

Jay Nixon should just do what Brownback does and throw millions in tax incentives to OK Joes to move across the state line in Missouri.
 
2014-08-03 04:40:03 PM  
It is always amusing when these jackasses slip and say something close to what they really think.
 
2014-08-03 04:41:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?


The Mid-West farmer's daughters really make you feel alright...
 
m00
2014-08-03 04:49:32 PM  
While I think Voter ID Laws are often (not always, but often) vehicles for political racism, this is actually a completely valid and correct statement in the general sense:

"If one individual who may incidentally be a pastor of a church disagrees with me," Kobach said, "I don't think that means the, quote, church disagrees with me."

Because okay, lets give him this. It also means if one individual who may incidentally be a scientist disagrees with global warming, it doesn't mean "science" disagrees with global warming.
 
2014-08-03 04:51:51 PM  

m00: While I think Voter ID Laws are often (not always, but often) vehicles for political racism, this is actually a completely valid and correct statement in the general sense:

"If one individual who may incidentally be a pastor of a church disagrees with me," Kobach said, "I don't think that means the, quote, church disagrees with me."

Because okay, lets give him this. It also means if one individual who may incidentally be a scientist disagrees with global warming, it doesn't mean "science" disagrees with global warming.


It also means that if one individual who may incidentally be a pastor of a church agrees with him, it doesn't mean that the "church" agrees with him. Only fair conclusion from his logic, right?
 
2014-08-03 05:01:56 PM  
At least in the cases of Christian churches, doesn't Mark 12:17 kind of make it none of their business?
 
2014-08-03 05:05:32 PM  

pion: m00: While I think Voter ID Laws are often (not always, but often) vehicles for political racism, this is actually a completely valid and correct statement in the general sense:

"If one individual who may incidentally be a pastor of a church disagrees with me," Kobach said, "I don't think that means the, quote, church disagrees with me."

Because okay, lets give him this. It also means if one individual who may incidentally be a scientist disagrees with global warming, it doesn't mean "science" disagrees with global warming.

It also means that if one individual who may incidentally be a pastor of a church agrees with him, it doesn't mean that the "church" agrees with him. Only fair conclusion from his logic, right?


Agreed. The right to conscience is not necessarily delegated to the pastor.
 
2014-08-03 05:06:48 PM  

BSABSVR: Kris Kobach is human garbage.


You can't spell Kobach without Koch.
 
2014-08-03 05:08:53 PM  

serial_crusher: At least in the cases of Christian churches, doesn't Mark 12:17 kind of make it none of their business?


It depends on if you mean Christian churches, or "Christian" churches.
 
2014-08-03 05:17:53 PM  

cchris_39: Why would a church's political opinion matter?


Because it's the kind of folksy down home political opinion you can laugh at?
 
2014-08-03 05:22:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?


Maybe to get stopped driving east through the worthless state from Colorado.

/ tryin to catch me ridin dirty
// oops dropped a g
/// don't hurt me pey noonan, i'm a death squad so its OK
 
2014-08-03 05:29:12 PM  

cchris_39: Why would a church's political opinion matter?


For people who are so concerned about America's legal sovereignty being compromised by an outside force, they sure do like compromising America's legal sovereignty to an outside force.
 
2014-08-03 05:37:22 PM  

iheartscotch: Calm down guys. Obama will fix this; then, dead people can go back to voting for hippies.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-03 05:42:13 PM  

ginandbacon: TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

Sunflowers? Beats me.

jake_lex: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

it's the example of what happens to a government when the teabaggers get total control.

It's about to go totally tits-up, and the evil Federal Gubbmit the teabaggers hate so much will probably have to bail them out.

Oh good. Another group of hateful people to subsidize. Yay.


Well what do you think coming from a racist who who convinced another dumb racist AZ politician to unleash SB1070 and gave the okay for other ones to do the same in other states. He is affiliated with as group call FAIR who hired him to write these laws. From what I have read, I would say they are one step below or not equal to the KKK. Through this he has become the secret darling of ultra conservative right wing. Right now I think he is starting to cash in his chips to because he is up for reelection.
 
2014-08-03 05:51:20 PM  
It's hilarious that Kansas elected a full-blown Teabagger in Brownback as governor. With a full-on Teabagger state government Kansas has now had their taxes cut and spending slashed as well as no Medicaid expansion. They are now drowning in debt and are at or near the bottom of the pack in job creation.  Just goes to show you that being a Teabag nutjob is good for getting elected but terrible for governing.
 
2014-08-03 05:53:32 PM  
I am moving out of Kansas in eight days.
Can.  Not.  Wait.
 
2014-08-03 05:58:56 PM  

steverockson: It's hilarious that Kansas elected a full-blown Teabagger in Brownback as governor. With a full-on Teabagger state government Kansas has now had their taxes cut and spending slashed as well as no Medicaid expansion. They are now drowning in debt and are at or near the bottom of the pack in job creation.  Just goes to show you that being a Teabag nutjob is good for getting elected but terrible for governing.


But it's Obama and Boehner fault. They seek to punish true conservatives.
 
2014-08-03 05:59:39 PM  

whooter: I am moving out of Kansas in eight days.
Can.  Not.  Wait.


Congratulations
 
2014-08-03 06:01:23 PM  
Churches are people, my friend.
 
2014-08-03 06:03:35 PM  

Mantour: steverockson: It's hilarious that Kansas elected a full-blown Teabagger in Brownback as governor. With a full-on Teabagger state government Kansas has now had their taxes cut and spending slashed as well as no Medicaid expansion. They are now drowning in debt and are at or near the bottom of the pack in job creation.  Just goes to show you that being a Teabag nutjob is good for getting elected but terrible for governing.

But it's Obama and

Boehner Harry Reid's fault. They seek to punish true conservatives.

FTFY
 
2014-08-03 06:09:52 PM  

jake_lex: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

it's the example of what happens to a government when the teabaggers get total control.

It's about to go totally tits-up, and the evil Federal Gubbmit the teabaggers hate so much will probably have to bail them out.


People's faith is usually tested just when they need it most.  Why should we force them to stop believing in their Teabagger-Christian philosophy just because it failed totally and completely.  Aid from the federal government will just test their righteous and glorious faith.  The more it hurts, the more you know God really cares.
 
2014-08-03 06:10:18 PM  

ginandbacon: TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: Kansas. Added to my list of do-not-go-there states.

Was there a compelling reason to go there beforehand?

Sunflowers? Beats me.


Ditchweed.
 
2014-08-03 06:11:50 PM  
1. Get elected -> Slash government
2. Beat MS in backwardness
3. Get Federal bailouts
4. Profit from other taxpayers money
5. Repeat in other states.....
 
2014-08-03 06:20:01 PM  

Pharque-it: 1. Get elected -> Slash government
2. Beat MS in backwardness
3. Get Federal bailouts
4. Profit from other taxpayers money
5. Repeat in other states.....


Except now the voters are turning on Brownback and he has extremely low approval ratings. May not be re-elected.
 
2014-08-03 06:20:14 PM  

steverockson: Mantour: steverockson: It's hilarious that Kansas elected a full-blown Teabagger in Brownback as governor. With a full-on Teabagger state government Kansas has now had their taxes cut and spending slashed as well as no Medicaid expansion. They are now drowning in debt and are at or near the bottom of the pack in job creation.  Just goes to show you that being a Teabag nutjob is good for getting elected but terrible for governing.

But it's Obama and Boehner Harry Reid's fault. They seek to punish true conservatives.

FTFY


So they blame Reid? I must study it out some more...
 
2014-08-03 06:23:05 PM  

steverockson: Pharque-it: 1. Get elected -> Slash government
2. Beat MS in backwardness
3. Get Federal bailouts
4. Profit from other taxpayers money
5. Repeat in other states.....

Except now the voters are turning on Brownback and he has extremely low approval ratings. May not be re-elected.


That's why I added the 5th point...
 
2014-08-03 06:23:29 PM  

cchris_39: Why would a church's political opinion matter?


In many areas (especially in poor minority communities) churches serve more than a spiritual role, they're the de facto source of community organization as well.

Given that, it makes sense that those who are being oppressed by voter ID laws would go to their church to make their voices heard.  The minister takes a role in speaking for those who don't know how or where to make their voices heard by government on their own.
 
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