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2014-08-03 08:51:24 AM  
Well, America, see how difficult it is to cease being a punk cash crop?
It is your country America, take it back.
 
2014-08-03 10:16:40 AM  
Except in politics.........
 
2014-08-03 12:53:42 PM  
they fix the cable?
 
2014-08-03 12:54:11 PM  
Golly. Remember lots of banks? Remember lots of airlines?
 
2014-08-03 01:14:42 PM  
Year of the Linux DesktopTM is here at last?
 
2014-08-03 01:22:07 PM  
The two established companies get Congress to pass a law prohibiting whatever the third company is doing different?
 
2014-08-03 01:22:12 PM  
The balls touch.
 
2014-08-03 01:25:55 PM  

brap: The balls touch.


I am going to use that on a fill-it-in-yourself card in Cards Against Humanity.  Thank you.
 
2014-08-03 01:34:38 PM  

edmo: Golly. Remember lots of banks? Remember lots of airlines?


Ever see actual new products in the supermarket?  That aren't produced by one of the existing five suppliers?
 
2014-08-03 01:52:41 PM  

edmo: Golly. Remember lots of banks? Remember lots of airlines?


Lots of banks = good.

Lots of airlines = dumb.
 
2014-08-03 02:02:51 PM  

whither_apophis: The two established companies get Congress to pass a law prohibiting whatever the third company is doing different?


Not Congress, state government.  https://www.google.com/search?q=anti-municipal+broadband+laws
 
2014-08-03 03:16:03 PM  
The Chocolate Factory?

Is that some odd term for google that I didn't know about?
 
2014-08-03 04:11:38 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Year of the Linux DesktopTM is here at last?


No, it will be the year when Win 7 becomes "a legacy product". Soon, sooner than you think....
 
2014-08-03 04:31:19 PM  
Yes....one firm tries to buy the other two.
 
2014-08-03 04:40:48 PM  

PowerSlacker: edmo: Golly. Remember lots of banks? Remember lots of airlines?

Lots of banks = good.

Lots of airlines = dumb.




Luckily, foreigners are not allowed to own airlines in the US.

/lucky for the US airlines as they would all go out of business from the competition
 
2014-08-03 04:42:00 PM  

Pharque-it: DigitalCoffee: Year of the Linux DesktopTM is here at last? No, it will be the year when Win 7 becomes "a legacy product". Soon, sooner than you think....

slash-geek.slashgeek.netdna-cdn.com
 
2014-08-03 04:42:43 PM  
it is less interesting then when a monopoly gets a competitor?
 
2014-08-03 04:53:38 PM  
Google Fiber?

*clicks*

Google Fiber.
 
2014-08-03 05:03:16 PM  

PowerSlacker: Lots of airlines = dumb.


Right .... because no competition in the airline industry will improve customer service and keep prices down.

/do you even know how competition works?
 
2014-08-03 05:13:18 PM  
Did anyone here with Uverse speeds go up? I pay for the 18meg but I am hitting 23-24 easy. I didn't ask nor pay for this tier.
 
2014-08-03 05:22:44 PM  
A 2013 study by the FCC found that 19 per cent of Americans have only one provider offering 10Mbps or faster broadband...

10mbs, I get 1% of that at best.
 
2014-08-03 05:23:30 PM  
They're laying Google fiber on my street last week and next.  One call to Time Warner telling them I'm dumping their broadband and they miraculously were able to drop my monthly bill by $50 so I don't leave.  And they say they're upping the speed.

Competition is good.
 
2014-08-03 05:37:55 PM  

NightSteel: whither_apophis: The two established companies get Congress to pass a law prohibiting whatever the third company is doing different?

Not Congress, state government.  https://www.google.com/search?q=anti-municipal+broadband+laws


Indeed, state legislators are 2 bit whooers compared to a Senator.
 
2014-08-03 05:48:50 PM  

debug: The Chocolate Factory?

Is that some odd term for google that I didn't know about?


It's the Registers snarky name for Google, yeah. Similarly so how they call an iPhone a Jesusphone.
 
2014-08-03 05:51:42 PM  
they are doing this in my city next year. they are preempting google fiber (which has approval from our city to lay in lines, our power company is public) for when they get here in 2016.

my 30/5 is going to become 50/5 free of charge for 47.50 a month. thats a really good price for internet-only here.
 
2014-08-03 05:58:13 PM  

xtech: they are doing this in my city next year. they are preempting google fiber (which has approval from our city to lay in lines, our power company is public) for when they get here in 2016.

my 30/5 is going to become 50/5 free of charge for 47.50 a month. thats a really good price for internet-only here.


I get 400/400 at $45/month. The apartment complex I'm in cut a deal with a San Francisco based ISP for internet. In talking with someone from the building next to mine - they said the cox internet speeds mysteriously speeded up in the last year.

/competition = good
 
2014-08-03 06:05:30 PM  

PowerSlacker: Lots of banks = good.


Well, until they're caught colluding. Then it's really, really bad.
 
2014-08-03 06:12:11 PM  

xtech: they are doing this in my city next year. they are preempting google fiber (which has approval from our city to lay in lines, our power company is public) for when they get here in 2016.

my 30/5 is going to become 50/5 free of charge for 47.50 a month. thats a really good price for internet-only here.


Are you in Houston?
 
2014-08-03 06:24:23 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: xtech: they are doing this in my city next year. they are preempting google fiber (which has approval from our city to lay in lines, our power company is public) for when they get here in 2016.

my 30/5 is going to become 50/5 free of charge for 47.50 a month. thats a really good price for internet-only here.

Are you in Houston?


houston isnt getting fiber, sorry.
 
2014-08-03 07:35:55 PM  
This story really needs to be published alongside the ones about the palm greasing and backroom shenanigans that result in laws which prevent towns from offering their own last mile solutions...
 
2014-08-03 07:37:27 PM  

whither_apophis: NightSteel: whither_apophis: The two established companies get Congress to pass a law prohibiting whatever the third company is doing different?

Not Congress, state government.  https://www.google.com/search?q=anti-municipal+broadband+laws

Indeed, state legislators are 2 bit whooers compared to a Senator.


Did someone say whooers?
annaweezy.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-03 08:13:17 PM  
Pure coincidence. Just like the advent of Uber has nothing to do with that new taxi app being rolled out in your city.
 
2014-08-03 08:31:13 PM  
Why is that steadfast defenders of The Free Market never show up to threads like these?
 
2014-08-03 08:43:17 PM  

whither_apophis: The two established companies get Congress to pass a law prohibiting whatever the third company is doing different?


They tried. Even before Google had step foot into KC, one of them (Time Warner I think) was making noise about how unfair it was to them, how they wouldn't be able to compete, etc.
 
2014-08-03 08:59:55 PM  
Ironically or not this is also why politicians fight all attempts to have a 3rd party
 
2014-08-03 09:18:47 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Year of the Linux DesktopTM is here at last?


Silence, fool! He will hear you, and then He will come..........
 
2014-08-03 09:32:44 PM  
I switched providers a while back. I'm getting 1/4 the speed for half the money, so we can only stream four movies at the same time instead of 16.
 
2014-08-03 09:44:26 PM  

jso2897: DigitalCoffee: [stuff I said]

Silence, fool! He will hear you, and then He will come..........


So, your solution is to quote me?!?
Listen to Ben for he is wise.

:)
 
2014-08-03 09:50:12 PM  
FTA: Google did not return a request for comment on the matter.

Yes they did.  And it was "fark you, deal with it".
 
2014-08-03 09:58:33 PM  
Unless those two "competitors" are the United States' two political parties, in which case the third party gets picked over for any useful secondary ideas then is neutralized/tossed aside like a corn cob at a picnic.
 
2014-08-03 09:58:45 PM  

jso2897: DigitalCoffee: Year of the Linux DesktopTM is here at last?

Silence, fool! He will hear you, and then He will come..........


LinuxNO?
 
2014-08-03 10:14:43 PM  

steamingpile: Ironically or not this is also why politicians fight all attempts to have a 3rd party


It's the one thing the Dems and GOP have agreed on for the last fifty years.
 
2014-08-03 10:23:36 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Did anyone here with Uverse speeds go up? I pay for the 18meg but I am hitting 23-24 easy. I didn't ask nor pay for this tier.


Yes. Paying for 24, getting about 30.

Whaddaya know : I'm in Austin (althogh they are still mum about the "middle of 2014" rollout)
 
2014-08-03 10:52:31 PM  

Katerchen: drjekel_mrhyde: Did anyone here with Uverse speeds go up? I pay for the 18meg but I am hitting 23-24 easy. I didn't ask nor pay for this tier.

Yes. Paying for 24, getting about 30.

Whaddaya know : I'm in Austin (althogh they are still mum about the "middle of 2014" rollout)


I heard they were doing pair bonding. They need to just do FTTH like FOIS
 
2014-08-03 10:56:07 PM  

jaybeezey: whither_apophis: NightSteel: whither_apophis: The two established companies get Congress to pass a law prohibiting whatever the third company is doing different?

Not Congress, state government.  https://www.google.com/search?q=anti-municipal+broadband+laws

Indeed, state legislators are 2 bit whooers compared to a Senator.

Did someone say whooers?
[annaweezy.files.wordpress.com image 300x168]


No... he said whooers.
keenetrial.com
 
2014-08-03 11:05:45 PM  

valkore: Why is that steadfast defenders of The Free Market never show up to threads like these?


Because there's no need to rub it in?
 
2014-08-04 01:31:38 AM  
There are a handful of cable markets in the US (about 12, I think) that have an 'overbuilder' cable company.  I used to work for one such overbuilder, which, unsuprisingly, did a pretty good job of keeping the 'regular cable company' in check.  Prices were lower, speeds were higher, and customer service was marginally better.  Here's how it was explained to me:

(many years ago)
Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Hey Townsville, USA. We're gonna put tons of lines all over your city and provide you with this amazing thing called [telephone, cable, internet, etc.]. But, because it's SOOOO expensive, we need to you write laws stating that nobody else can use the lines or build their own... 'cause poles, and wires, and pipes are like, expensive, and stuff.

Crooked Townsville Official: Yay! Sounds good, when do I get my money?

(a few years later)
Townsville resident: This new fangled [telephone, cable, internet, etc.] thing is pretty amazing, but it's so expensive and dang if the company never fixes it when it's broken.

Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Sorry. Running our company is like, expensive and stuff, so we'll have a guy out to fix your problem in a few weeks.  Oh, and we'll pay him shiat and over-book his day, so he'll be late and extra grumpy for ya!  So be prepared to wait all day for him to track mud through your house.  Don't like it? Too bad.

(many many years and complaints later)
Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Man, making a farkton of money sucks. We need to make a farkely-farkton more. Let's outsource everything we can, hire the worst workers, raise the price every year, and generally not give a shiat about the product.

Non-crooked Townsville official: Hey Cable/Phone Doucebag. You promised some big shiat, and you didn't deliver, so we're letting another company come in and build their own network.  Suck it!

Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Like hell. Read the law, dumbass.

Non-crooked Townsville official: We did, and A) the time limit just ran out!; or B) we found a clause that allows us to breach if you fail to uphold your end... and we have good lawyers; or C) we have enough petitions to re-write that section... 'cause you suck so bad that you actually got people out to vote on this!

Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Curse you! We'll get you, and your little dog, too!

Not sure why I shared that. But, there it is.
 
2014-08-04 01:49:12 AM  
When I eat lots of fiber, I can really lay some cable too.
 
2014-08-04 01:52:56 AM  
This might explain why Cox doubled my bandwidth rate a couple of weeks ago.
 
2014-08-04 02:24:00 AM  

kyuzokai: There are a handful of cable markets in the US (about 12, I think) that have an 'overbuilder' cable company.  I used to work for one such overbuilder, which, unsuprisingly, did a pretty good job of keeping the 'regular cable company' in check.  Prices were lower, speeds were higher, and customer service was marginally better.  Here's how it was explained to me:

(many years ago)
Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Hey Townsville, USA. We're gonna put tons of lines all over your city and provide you with this amazing thing called [telephone, cable, internet, etc.]. But, because it's SOOOO expensive, we need to you write laws stating that nobody else can use the lines or build their own... 'cause poles, and wires, and pipes are like, expensive, and stuff.

Crooked Townsville Official: Yay! Sounds good, when do I get my money?

(a few years later)
Townsville resident: This new fangled [telephone, cable, internet, etc.] thing is pretty amazing, but it's so expensive and dang if the company never fixes it when it's broken.

Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Sorry. Running our company is like, expensive and stuff, so we'll have a guy out to fix your problem in a few weeks.  Oh, and we'll pay him shiat and over-book his day, so he'll be late and extra grumpy for ya!  So be prepared to wait all day for him to track mud through your house.  Don't like it? Too bad.

(many many years and complaints later)
Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Man, making a farkton of money sucks. We need to make a farkely-farkton more. Let's outsource everything we can, hire the worst workers, raise the price every year, and generally not give a shiat about the product.

Non-crooked Townsville official: Hey Cable/Phone Doucebag. You promised some big shiat, and you didn't deliver, so we're letting another company come in and build their own network.  Suck it!

Phone/Cable Company Douchebag: Like hell. Read the law, dumbass.

Non-crooked Townsville official: We did, and A) the time limit just ran out!; or B) ...


In fairness, the cable companies also offered some other things.  Like, "we'll wire up your whole town."  Google isn't offering that even now.  From FTA, they've divvied up KC into little "fibrehoods" and they're only wiring up areas which show sufficient demand, as evidenced by a deposit.   Anyone think the poorer areas of Kansas City are the places where people will cough up a $10 deposit for the right to pay $70 for GB speeds sometime in the future?  Or $300 up front for AOL speed?
 
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