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(Telegraph)   "A report by the British Chamber of Commerce shows young people are so unprepared for the demands of work that they have even asked their bosses where to take naps"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 48
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2014-08-03 09:27:35 AM  
Christ. These kids don't know that you can catch a few minutes power nap on the shiatter?
 
2014-08-03 09:48:20 AM  
One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

That wasn't your pal.  That was Julius Caesar.  You were not friends with Julius Caesar.
 
2014-08-03 09:50:12 AM  

Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.


I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.
 
2014-08-03 09:55:35 AM  

syrynxx: Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.


Who has time for class when there's sports and Greek life?
 
2014-08-03 10:35:17 AM  
You don't ask. You just do.
 
2014-08-03 10:56:31 AM  
Nanny State all growed up.
 
2014-08-03 11:04:08 AM  
It's too hard to explain to someone a policy to someone one time.
 
2014-08-03 11:05:42 AM  

naughtyrev: Christ. These kids don't know that you can catch a few minutes power nap on the shiatter?


If you want to get out of work you can either take naps or you can take craps.  It sounds to me like you're a both at once kind of guy.
 
2014-08-03 11:14:27 AM  

syrynxx: Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.


Classics.

Or as they were called then, Media Studies.

/with a minor in International Relations
 
2014-08-03 11:16:25 AM  

syrynxx: Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.


proctology?
 
2014-08-03 11:17:16 AM  

doofusss: syrynxx: Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.

proctology?


That was more of an extra-curricular activity.
 
2014-08-03 11:35:21 AM  
Man, I worked in a bullpen, sleeping at the desk was NOT an option until after the boss went home.

My biggest problem was being used to a vacation every month...a problem I finally solved with retirement.

Gotta run, have a tee-time to catch...
 
2014-08-03 11:36:00 AM  
which would be a lot funnier if it were a weekday...
 
2014-08-03 11:36:35 AM  

Shaggy_C: naughtyrev: Christ. These kids don't know that you can catch a few minutes power nap on the shiatter?

If you want to get out of work you can either take naps or you can take craps.  It sounds to me like you're a both at once kind of guy.


That's the kind of productivity I bring to my work.
 
2014-08-03 12:07:53 PM  
This is what happens when we let our impressionable college students study in Barcelona and learn the forbidden secrets of the siesta.
 
2014-08-03 12:12:05 PM  
If your work gets done I don't mind if you sneak off to a quiet place for a short power nap, but when you're at your desk, head back, drooling and snoring louder than Brian Blessed rolling coal in a Concorde...
 
2014-08-03 12:18:25 PM  
First thing about the Nap Club: you don't talk about the Nap Club.
 
2014-08-03 12:19:21 PM  
Yes, I'm sure someone asked their new boss where to take a nap. There is no way that is a giant lie.
 
2014-08-03 12:24:11 PM  

Xythero: Yes, I'm sure someone asked their new boss where to take a nap. There is no way that is a giant lie.


I know it's just another anecdote, but given that I've heard that question asked more than once during my working life, no, I don't believe that it's a "giant lie."
 
2014-08-03 12:29:16 PM  
Maybe the real question is why workplaces insist that an exhausted employee remain at their desk and do impaired work all day rather than nipping off for a 20-minute catnap and coming back refreshed.
 
2014-08-03 12:32:38 PM  
It's always fun to see one generation piling on the next, after they themselves took so much shiat previously.  I mean, I'm a member of Generation X, the "Slacker Generation", that was never going to get out of their parents' basement.  Before that were the Baby Boomers, who were hippies who just wanted to get hepped up on goofballs and listen to the rock roll music.

I remember once asking my dad, who was in WWII and thus part of the "Greatest Generation", about this, and the notion that since my generation had not had the experience of having to deal with a war (well, the first Persian Gulf War in my case, but I knew there was no way in hell I was getting drafted), we were lacking something previous generations had had.  His response was "Ah, I don't think a lot of people in my generation learned shiat from that war.  Or they forgot what they'd learned pretty damn quick."
 
2014-08-03 12:41:15 PM  

Xythero: Yes, I'm sure someone asked their new boss where to take a nap. There is no way that is a giant lie.


I know I never asked. Instead I simply drove the family camper van the couple of miles to work every day for years. When everyone rolled out to lunch I walked out to my van, ate my packed lunch and stretched out for a nap with the alarm clock set. Presto, problem solved!

Now that I own the business I turn out the lights in my office and crash on the couch. No one here is under 50, so there are no dumb commens about the boss taking a nap, and everyone knows not to knock when the door is closed.
 
2014-08-03 12:54:32 PM  
I've seen these people, George and Poppy.
 
2014-08-03 01:11:40 PM  
www.quickonlinetips.com
 
2014-08-03 02:56:51 PM  
Where do they think they are, Southern Europe?
 
2014-08-03 03:10:45 PM  
When I was young, I once lived four minutes from where I worked -- got the job then rented the apartment.  I had an hour lunch.  Days when I was exhausted, I would go home and sleep for 45 minutes, then head back to work refreshed.

One day I farked up setting my alarm, and ended up sleeping for well over 90 minutes.  I had a sinking feeling as I tried to sneak back into work ... and my boss said when he saw me "ah, there you are, we were wondering where you were, please do this".  God, I felt like I dodged a bullet.
 
2014-08-03 04:54:52 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Maybe the real question is why workplaces insist that an exhausted employee remain at their desk and do impaired work all day rather than nipping off for a 20-minute catnap and coming back refreshed feeling like absolute crap.


I can't stand napping during the day. I wake up feeling like I have a freshly-installed hangover.
 
2014-08-03 05:22:06 PM  

phamwaa: poot_rootbeer: Maybe the real question is why workplaces insist that an exhausted employee remain at their desk and do impaired work all day rather than nipping off for a 20-minute catnap and coming back refreshed feeling like absolute crap.

I can't stand napping during the day. I wake up feeling like I have a freshly-installed hangover.


Don't stand then. Lie down somewhere :)
 
2014-08-03 05:42:11 PM  
The only rediculousness I've seen from recent grads is an obsession with "professional development opportunities" and wanting to "shadow" senior level staff.

I assume college career advisors grill that into them.

Besides that, they're excellent workers.
 
2014-08-03 06:02:03 PM  

doofusss: syrynxx: Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.

proctology?


You're thinking of Caligula.

Alexander the Great would have majored in... I dunno... communications?
 
2014-08-03 06:02:29 PM  

Shaggy_C: naughtyrev: Christ. These kids don't know that you can catch a few minutes power nap on the shiatter?

If you want to get out of work you can either take naps or you can take craps.  It sounds to me like you're a both at once kind of guy.


It's a testament to how efficiency-minded he is.
 
2014-08-03 06:04:51 PM  
This just in...in a country with millions of people graduating and starting jobs, at least one person somewhere asked for a chance to take a nap.

This anecdote changes everything.
 
2014-08-03 06:40:23 PM  

elvisaintdead: Nanny State all growed up.


I have horror stories about young employees going back 30 years.
Nothing new here. There are plenty of responsible kids out there.
Same as it ever was
 
2014-08-03 07:17:18 PM  
edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com
 
2014-08-03 07:49:16 PM  

phamwaa: I can't stand napping during the day. I wake up feeling like I have a freshly-installed hangover.


You're probably not getting enough high-quality sleep during the night, then, so that when you do day nap you drop immediately into REM sleep, which leads to grogginess when disrupted.
 
2014-08-03 07:58:58 PM  
Well, with the decline of the unions, they surely can not ask their shop steward. Most of them probably haven't even heard of one.
 
2014-08-03 08:21:38 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: doofusss: syrynxx: Relatively Obscure: One of my pals memorably cried on realising that Alexander the Great had conquered half of Asia Minor at 24, her age, while she was still at uni.

I wonder what Alexander the Great would've majored in at college.

proctology?

You're thinking of Caligula.

Alexander the Great would have majored in... I dunno... communications?


As his tutor  was Aristotle, just about everything.
 
2014-08-03 08:53:26 PM  
Well I guess you used to be able to take naps in your "offices", but now that everybody's relegated to "open concept" workspaces which are supposed to something-something synergies but are basically loud-ass galleys that are only advantageous in that they're way cheaper... it's a relevant question.

Boomers appalled that new hires don't fall out of they mamma's hoohaas in a full business suit!  Film at 11!  It may even cost them money to train... *clutches pearls*
 
2014-08-03 09:59:40 PM  

phamwaa: poot_rootbeer: Maybe the real question is why workplaces insist that an exhausted employee remain at their desk and do impaired work all day rather than nipping off for a 20-minute catnap and coming back refreshed feeling like absolute crap.

I can't stand napping during the day. I wake up feeling like I have a freshly-installed hangover.




If you limit your naps to only 15 mins, you never drop deeply into REM, so you wake more refreshed.
 
2014-08-03 10:03:39 PM  

nijika: Well I guess you used to be able to take naps in your "offices", but now that everybody's relegated to "open concept" workspaces which are supposed to something-something synergies but are basically loud-ass galleys that are only advantageous in that they're way cheaper... it's a relevant question.

Boomers appalled that new hires don't fall out of they mamma's hoohaas in a full business suit!  Film at 11!  It may even cost them money to train... *clutches pearls*


Yep. I keep seeing "entry level" positions that require five years of experience. The only thing that's really entry level is the pay.
 
2014-08-04 12:28:41 AM  
CSB:

"Today's graduates particularly suffer from this. A report by the British Chamber of Commerce shows young people are so unprepared for the demands of work that they have even asked bosses where to take naps. I was never this bad when landing my first job, but I've written previously about the difficulty of accepting that the workplace isn't like school - you won't get an A* for doing your job. "

CSB: Back in the day, when I was a lad, and the internet was populated entirely by Scandinavian bikini models and millionaire powerboat racers, I did "work experience"* in the UK. That EXACT story was trotted out to us by some businessman who came in to give a talk about the do's and don'ts of behavior while on work experience. Apparently this has been an issue for a long time. Or maybe they're still talking about the same lazy oaf from all those years ago. Either way, it doesn't really set "today's" graduates apart from their predecessors.

*You take a couple of weeks out of school (IIRC at Easter break) when you're 14 or 15 and work somewhere, either at a placement you organize yourself through family and friends or at a shiat placement the school arranges for you if you're too lazy to work something out for yourself. Afterward you have to write reports about it and with a little luck it would be relevant to your university applications.
 
2014-08-04 02:12:39 AM  

dangelder: It's too hard to explain to someone a policy to someone one time.


I have drunk a lot. So let's get that out of the way. But what the hell are you trying to say?
Are you drunker than I am?
 
2014-08-04 02:25:00 AM  
Why not?

If your staff have an hour for lunch, and they want to take a nap in their own time so they are more productive on your time, what, exactly, is the problem?  Throw some lazy boys behind some bookshelves in the corner, hey presto.  Pretty cheap price for a perk that would probably raise morale, and make your employees think more kindly of you so they work harder (the google strategy).

Only seems like it would be a problem for the kind of jerk boss who thinks if you're not miserable you're not working hard enough, and expects people to work through lunch and stay late for free.
 
2014-08-04 09:46:21 AM  
Paid to poop!

If I feel really shiatty I'll take a 45 minute nap in the car. No boss on-site, so lots of my colleagues just sleep in thir cubes. But I'm open plan in a converted closet with 4 other guys.
 
2014-08-04 10:41:36 AM  

Xythero: Yes, I'm sure someone asked their new boss where to take a nap. There is no way that is a giant lie.


You obviously are new to the Fark business tab. Well over half the posters here would. I was told yesterday that if you start a business expecting to make a profit you are a sociopath.
 
2014-08-04 10:44:42 AM  

brantgoose: Well, with the decline of the unions, they surely can not ask their shop steward. Most of them probably haven't even heard of one.


I think the steward is the one who brings soup.
 
2014-08-04 11:30:39 AM  

thornhill: The only rediculousness I've seen from recent grads is an obsession with "professional development opportunities" and wanting to "shadow" senior level staff.

I assume college career advisors grill that into them.

Besides that, they're excellent workers.


 I'm going through the same thing right now with a group of interns. I had to lay out for them the reality of what those two things meant here ( Fortune 140 corp ):

"professional development opportunities"  :

Talking about college about college sports, Ohio State in particular. Never, ever badmouth The™

 "shadow" senior level staff. "

Talking about college sports at all company sponsored events.

 This sums up how you advance, that's it. Competency, education or intelligence outside of the above mentioned does not play a large role in moving up the ladder.

/ my work is done..
 
2014-08-04 03:47:23 PM  

Jormungandr: dangelder: It's too hard to explain to someone a policy to someone one time.

I have drunk a lot. So let's get that out of the way. But what the hell are you trying to say?
Are you drunker than I am?


Not anymore.
 
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