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2014-08-03 04:11:17 AM  
Well....Duh.

Smokeless is better than Smokey.
 
2014-08-03 04:26:02 AM  
 it would only make sense to regulate it rigorously

AKA Taxing the shiat out of it.
 
2014-08-03 08:24:16 AM  
Is it just me or does the headline come off like it's suggesting non-smokers should start e-smoking?
c2.staticflickr.com
 
2014-08-03 08:29:27 AM  
I can't believe how much time I wasted smoking got damned cigarettes all these years, and am happy that I don't even think about it until I stumble across an article like this.

Got dammit, now I kind of want a smoke.
 
2014-08-03 08:51:18 AM  
Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.
 
2014-08-03 09:05:28 AM  
Well yeah almost anything has benefits over smoking.  That's like saying that a mild sunburn is preferable to swimming in lava.
 
2014-08-03 09:10:33 AM  

Egoy3k: Well yeah almost anything has benefits over smoking.  That's like saying that a mild sunburn is preferable to swimming in lava.


Mild sunburn IS preferable to swimming in lava.
 
2014-08-03 09:14:35 AM  
I think inhaling formaldehyde is contrary to the "we dont know that these cause harm" argument.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/ business/some-e-cigarettes-deliv e r-a-puff-of-carcinogens.html?referrer= &_r=0

/yeah i am lazy
 
2014-08-03 09:16:30 AM  

Nayest: Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.


It's almost like there a powerful lobby somewhere that has an interest in stopping a product that will end people's addiction to tobacco.
 
2014-08-03 09:21:19 AM  
Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.
 
2014-08-03 09:28:01 AM  
TFA: "Since we are talking about a recreational drug -- it's not essential to life, it doesn't cure any illness -- it would only make sense to regulate it rigorously until we find out whether it's good or bad," Edelman said.

They quote this guy as 'disagreeing' - and yet he's not disagreeing.  No one earlier was saying they shouldn't be regulated, just that they should be regulated like regular cigarettes.  Regular cigarettes are a recreational drug, not essential to life, not curing any illness - and there are millions of people who are already addicted to them.  The study is just saying they're less harmful than regular cigarettes for those addicts.

Alcohol can be horribly addictive, but moderate usage has health benefits.  I'd be amazed to find a modern doctor who says that smoking only 1-2 cigarettes per day is good for you.
 
2014-08-03 09:29:23 AM  

serial_crusher: Is it just me or does the headline come off like it's suggesting non-smokers should start e-smoking?
[c2.staticflickr.com image 300x199]


Just you.

"Use of e-cigarettes by people who don't smoke is very rare," McRobbie said. Furthermore, there is no evidence to support arguments that e-cigarettes are a gateway to smoking tobacco, he added.
 
2014-08-03 09:49:54 AM  

aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.


Yup.  Smoked for 20 years.  Quit on and off about 6 times but never for more than a few weeks.  Transitioned to an e-cig almost two years ago, used that for about 6 months then decided one day that I was just done.  Haven't touched either since, > one year and counting.
 
2014-08-03 09:59:31 AM  

AngryDragon: aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.

Yup.  Smoked for 20 years.  Quit on and off about 6 times but never for more than a few weeks.  Transitioned to an e-cig almost two years ago, used that for about 6 months then decided one day that I was just done.  Haven't touched either since, > one year and counting.


That's where I'm headed. I started on my e cig in late May. I've had a few cigs here and there, but I smoked 2 packs a day before the e cig.

I've already dropped a nicotine level, two more levels down and I'll probably just quit altogether.
 
2014-08-03 10:06:20 AM  
Mr Theologian is in an assisting living complex, and they have a smoke free policy. The only way to smoke is to smoke in a car. But e-cigs and vapes are allowed and I bought two e-go vape pens. He uses it regularly and he smokes less. I would be very disgusted if the government meddles with this. Damn the lobby, they can go to hell.
 
2014-08-03 10:30:46 AM  
I've been using an e-cigarette for about 3 months now. This is the longest I've gone without having a real cigarette in probably 20 years.

The health benefits are obvious and pretty immediate. My smokers cough is gone, my lung capacity is up and my high blood pressure is on the retreat.
 
2014-08-03 10:33:27 AM  

Mugato: Nayest: Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.

It's almost like there a powerful lobby somewhere that has an interest in stopping a product that will end people's addiction to tobacco.


People don't have an addiction to tobacco moran. They have an addiction to nicotine which is in e-cigs
 
2014-08-03 10:36:40 AM  

aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.


The fact that you don't know that big tobacco does own e-cig companies (Blu for one)and are not fighting them at all shows a lot about you
 
2014-08-03 10:37:18 AM  

CMYK and PMS: Mugato: Nayest: Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.

It's almost like there a powerful lobby somewhere that has an interest in stopping a product that will end people's addiction to tobacco.

People don't have an addiction to tobacco moran. They have an addiction to nicotine which is in e-cigs


Wow. Not even going to bother.
 
2014-08-03 10:43:55 AM  
I view people vaping e-cigs in the same way I view people wearing Google Glass.

However, If it helps you actually quit, that's great. Quit. If it's just a thing you now do to replace cigarettes permanently, then you're still an addict and I have diminished respect for your level of willpower. Grow a pair and actually  quit entirely if you really mean it. If you're dragging out this e-cig thing past a few months, you're not "stepping down gradually"... You're just addicted to something new.
 
2014-08-03 10:46:00 AM  

brap: I can't believe how much time I wasted smoking got damned cigarettes all these years, and am happy that I don't even think about it until I stumble across an article like this.

Got dammit, now I kind of want a smoke.


Go jerk off. It will take your mind off the the cigarettes. Unless you always had a cigarette after jerking off, in which case you should probably just go for a jog or something.
 
2014-08-03 10:50:08 AM  

The Man With Crazy Super Animal Powers: I view people vaping e-cigs in the same way I view people wearing Google Glass.

However, If it helps you actually quit, that's great. Quit. If it's just a thing you now do to replace cigarettes permanently, then you're still an addict and I have diminished respect for your level of willpower. Grow a pair and actually  quit entirely if you really mean it. If you're dragging out this e-cig thing past a few months, you're not "stepping down gradually"... You're just addicted to something new.


How would you know? Sounds like you have no direct experience and are just talking out of your ass. I mean, that's fine, and all, but smugness in ignorance isn't really an attractive character trait.
 
2014-08-03 11:17:20 AM  
 
2014-08-03 11:39:49 AM  

Mugato: CMYK and PMS: Mugato: Nayest: Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.

It's almost like there a powerful lobby somewhere that has an interest in stopping a product that will end people's addiction to tobacco.

People don't have an addiction to tobacco moran. They have an addiction to nicotine which is in e-cigs

Wow. Not even going to bother.


I'll give you 10 points for not posting a stupid meme which is what most kids with nothing to say do.
 
2014-08-03 12:02:44 PM  

CMYK and PMS: aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.

The fact that you don't know that big tobacco does own e-cig companies (Blu for one)and are not fighting them at all shows a lot about you


We get it.You hate e-cigs.

Blu is hardly on the radar with e-cigs. The vast majority of e-cigs are created by small operations, even made inside the stores. They are "mom and pop" operations.

Big tobacco isn't controlling what is happening. Anyone who looked at this without  a zealous bias would know that.
 
2014-08-03 12:20:30 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Mugato: Nayest: Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.

It's almost like there a powerful lobby somewhere that has an interest in stopping a product that will end people's addiction to tobacco.

People don't have an addiction to tobacco moran. They have an addiction to nicotine which is in e-cigs


Please describe the negative effects of it for us, if you don't mind, and why nicotine use is bad for you.
 
2014-08-03 12:51:22 PM  

RadicalMiddle: CMYK and PMS: aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.

The fact that you don't know that big tobacco does own e-cig companies (Blu for one)and are not fighting them at all shows a lot about you

We get it.You hate e-cigs.

Blu is hardly on the radar with e-cigs. The vast majority of e-cigs are created by small operations, even made inside the stores. They are "mom and pop" operations.

Big tobacco isn't controlling what is happening. Anyone who looked at this without  a zealous bias would know that.


Nope don't hate them at all, I get that you hate big business and don't want to face the facts.

/Smoked for over 40 years
//quit cold turkey 1 1/2 years ago
 
2014-08-03 12:56:03 PM  

Alphakronik: CMYK and PMS: Mugato: Nayest: Much retardation in the opposition of e-cigs.

It's almost like there a powerful lobby somewhere that has an interest in stopping a product that will end people's addiction to tobacco.

People don't have an addiction to tobacco moran. They have an addiction to nicotine which is in e-cigs

Please describe the negative effects of it for us, if you don't mind, and why nicotine use is bad for you.


I can't believe I have found the one person in the world who doesn't know nicotine is harmful

http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/NN/B/B/Z/D/

.
 
2014-08-03 01:33:52 PM  

serial_crusher: Is it just me or does the headline come off like it's suggesting non-smokers should start e-smoking?
[c2.staticflickr.com image 300x199]


Had to give big tobacco time to get their production line ready.
 
2014-08-03 01:42:34 PM  
i.imgur.com

Regulations, taxes, etc mean very little to me anymore.

Other than my RBA/RDAs and mods, you would have to tax the individual components to tax my usage. And good luck adding a tobacco tax to food flavoring and additives like PG. Or wire. Or batteries.

I would like to see ecigs remain largely unregulated and untaxed l, because I think it would be a net improvement in public health to get as many smokers making the switch as possible, and the ease of availability, wide selection of equipment, and large price differential between smoking and vaping make the switch more attractive for current smokers. Regulate and tax, and that all goes away, making the switch less attractive for current smokers, increasing the long term public health costs of smoking.

But regulate away. Tax away. I will be laughing at you as I vape my home mixed juice on my hand wrapped coils and hand made wicks that I didn't pay a dime of taxes on.
 
2014-08-03 01:54:41 PM  

RadicalMiddle: CMYK and PMS: aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.

The fact that you don't know that big tobacco does own e-cig companies (Blu for one)and are not fighting them at all shows a lot about you

We get it.You hate e-cigs.

Blu is hardly on the radar with e-cigs. The vast majority of e-cigs are created by small operations, even made inside the stores. They are "mom and pop" operations.

Big tobacco isn't controlling what is happening. Anyone who looked at this without  a zealous bias would know that.


Blu is available at HEB, Valero corner stores, Walgreen's, Walmart, Murphy's, dollar general,Exxon stations, etc.

Doing a search for availability near me I get around 100+ locations.

How are they not on the radar?
 
2014-08-03 02:09:17 PM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 850x1138]

Regulations, taxes, etc mean very little to me anymore.

Other than my RBA/RDAs and mods, you would have to tax the individual components to tax my usage. And good luck adding a tobacco tax to food flavoring and additives like PG. Or wire. Or batteries.


Nice job documenting your manufacture of unlicensed drug paraphernalia. And tax evasion.

/only kidding
//I hope
 
2014-08-03 03:01:36 PM  
You mean not inhaling hot ash is better for you than inhaling hot ash? Get out of town!
 
2014-08-03 03:08:14 PM  

The Man With Crazy Super Animal Powers: I view people vaping e-cigs in the same way I view people wearing Google Glass.

However, If it helps you actually quit, that's great. Quit. If it's just a thing you now do to replace cigarettes permanently, then you're still an addict and I have diminished respect for your level of willpower. Grow a pair and actually  quit entirely if you really mean it. If you're dragging out this e-cig thing past a few months, you're not "stepping down gradually"... You're just addicted to something new.



Who cares if they are addicted? Most people are addicted to something (TV, sports, sex, etc..). They are no longer stinking up the place and giving cancer to people near by.I'm a nonsmoker who has mostly objected to smoking because it stinks and is harmful to people who choose not to smoke, not because I want to control people. Go ahead and kill yourself, but don't stink up my stuff or take me with. E-sigs fit that bill.
 
2014-08-03 03:17:02 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: RadicalMiddle: CMYK and PMS: aimtastic: Glad I used e-cigs to quit before the tobacco indust- I mean "doctors," get them outlawed.

The fact that tobacco companies are fighting them tooth and nail instead of making their own e-cigs under their own existing extremely popular brands tells me how good e-cigs are at helping people quit altogether.

The fact that you don't know that big tobacco does own e-cig companies (Blu for one)and are not fighting them at all shows a lot about you

We get it.You hate e-cigs.

Blu is hardly on the radar with e-cigs. The vast majority of e-cigs are created by small operations, even made inside the stores. They are "mom and pop" operations.

Big tobacco isn't controlling what is happening. Anyone who looked at this without  a zealous bias would know that.

Blu is available at HEB, Valero corner stores, Walgreen's, Walmart, Murphy's, dollar general,Exxon stations, etc.

Doing a search for availability near me I get around 100+ locations.

How are they not on the radar?


Look man.  Those are the ones that BT and BP wantpeople using.  They hate the ones like Elegy and myself use.  They want to stop the spread of advanced vaporizers before people all realize that stuff like Blu, 21st Century, Vuse, Mark 10, etc, are all shiat and don't provide the satisfaction that allows a cigarette smoker to become a former cigarette smoker. Go into any vapor shop: you won't find that kind of garbage because the cig-alikes SUCK.  But pre-filled cartridges is how BT sees themselves not losing their ass in the long run.

Also, I love cold turkey, I can't quit it.
 
2014-08-03 07:38:27 PM  

The Man With Crazy Super Animal Powers: I view people vaping e-cigs in the same way I view people wearing Google Glass.


As people you can openly judge and still feel good about yourself?
 
2014-08-03 09:02:55 PM  
I'd be willing to concede that e-cigs are healthier than tobacco cigs if we knew exactly what was in those "proprietary" e-cig mixtures. It would be both ironic and amusing (for a non-user anyway) to learn that e-cigs' delicious licorice flavoring comes from rat feces and asbestos.

/yummy, yummy rat feces
 
2014-08-03 11:26:36 PM  

The Man With Crazy Super Animal Powers: However, If it helps you actually quit, that's great. Quit. If it's just a thing you now do to replace cigarettes permanently, then you're still an addict and I have diminished respect for your level of willpower. Grow a pair and actually quit entirely if you really mean it. If you're dragging out this e-cig thing past a few months, you're not "stepping down gradually"... You're just addicted to something new.


As much as I'm sure we all value your "respect", isn't harm reduction worth anything in your small, black and white world, oh powerful one?
 
2014-08-03 11:34:14 PM  

CMYK and PMS: I can't believe I have found the one person in the world who doesn't know nicotine is harmful

http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/NN/B/B/Z/D/


Title: The Health Consequences of Smoking

Try again.
 
2014-08-03 11:35:10 PM  

Elegy: Other than my RBA/RDAs and mods


Ok, WTF is that thing, and where do I buy one?
 
2014-08-04 11:55:03 AM  

zenferret: Ok, WTF is that thing, and where do I buy one?


CS-Wolverine clone, $18 direct from China. You can get it from FastTech. It's ok - huge clouds of really airy vapor.

You also might like the 5-post TOBH V-2 clone for $12 if you want a multi-coil RDA. Actually, any TOBH is a good pick, not just this one.

These are 28+ mm attys, so you're going to want to put them on a 26650 mod like the Hades clone or a Big Nasty or they're going to look really silly. Running 6 coils at .6 ohm on a 26650 is also much safer than on an 18650 - I would never do something like this on an 18650.

Here's the Wolverine on my Hades, next to an 18650 for scale:
i.imgur.com

If you've never ordered from FastTech, be aware that shipping usually takes between 3-9 weeks. Don't order batteries from them either - batteries have to go ground, not air, and will pretty much guarantee your items take 8+ weeks to arrive. And finding batteries that fit the Hades is a bit of a biatch. Read the reviews and FastTech forums.

But waiting is totally worth it - FastTech is a frigging wonderland of ecig components, clones or otherwise. Most of the brick-and-mortar vape stores I've been in are just reselling FastTech inventory at 3x markup. I don't mind waiting a month for my toys, if it means I can buy 3-4 times as many toys for the same price....
 
2014-08-04 01:42:29 PM  
Some of the anti e-cig articles (and I use the term article loosely) are just...

*sigh*

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/25/ecigs-poison-risk

Disclaimer: I'm a non-smoker.

Where are these people buying pure nicotine at high levels? Every e-cig I've seen has been watered down and pre-mixed for the consumer. (Granted I still wouldn't drink a vial of it).

And the angry woman commenting that e-cigs are dangerous because her husband sweats and throws up everytime he vapes. Lady, get him to a hospital!
 
2014-08-04 02:23:13 PM  

AgentKGB: Some of the anti e-cig articles (and I use the term article loosely) are just...

*sigh*

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/25/ecigs-poison-risk

Disclaimer: I'm a non-smoker.

Where are these people buying pure nicotine at high levels? Every e-cig I've seen has been watered down and pre-mixed for the consumer. (Granted I still wouldn't drink a vial of it).

And the angry woman commenting that e-cigs are dangerous because her husband sweats and throws up everytime he vapes. Lady, get him to a hospital!


This article puts those CDC poison control calls in perspective. Around 1,300 reports in 2013 of eliquid ingestion up 300%. Most articles dedicated to scaremongering don't go further. But by way of contrast, analgesics were the cause of 322,000 calls. Even energy drinks had 3 times the calls of eliquid with 3,000+ calls.

As for where to get high strength or pure nicotine, you can order such from any pharmaceutical company as long as you are over the age of 18. Or you can order from numerous ecig shops that will cut the pure stuff down a bit and resell it. Typical strengths are 100 mg/ml and 50 mg/ml (the strongest juice typically sold as "vape ready" is 24mg/ml).

I order 50 mg/ml and cut it down to 5 mg/ml or less at home, then mix in my own flavoring. That's down from a pack a day of smokes 10 months ago. I started vaping at 12 mg/ml and have gradually weaned my way down to my current level - the New Years resolution was 0 by the end of the year and it looks like I'm going to make it.
 
2014-08-04 04:39:44 PM  

Elegy: (the strongest juice typically sold as "vape ready" is 24mg/ml).


Started vaping a week ago. Got the 24mg. 2 packs a day for 30 years. Shiat works! Been 9 days haven't wanted a cig.
 
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