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2014-08-03 05:14:55 AM  
3 votes:
I work weird hours, there are tons of transients and crazy people outside my building downtown. There's no mass transit that's viable from my house to work.

A co-worker used to bike in, the storage lockers were filled with roaches.

There's not much incentive to not drive.
2014-08-03 07:05:27 AM  
2 votes:

mr lawson: Surprise!
 If given a choice, most normal people don't LIKE public transit and those who use it.
/romero...live on the scene. Back to you Ted.

 And here's the REAL reason Republicans hate mass transit - those people get to use it
/yes, we've noticed you're a racist.
2014-08-03 05:12:05 AM  
2 votes:
Surprise!
 If given a choice, most normal people don't LIKE public transit and those who use it.
/romero...live on the scene. Back to you Ted.
2014-08-03 11:18:50 AM  
1 votes:

untaken_name: The Larch: If I was king of the universe, public transportation would be free.

Of course, in my fantasy world, public transportation would also be designed, funded, and run by competent people who believe that the primary purpose of public transportation is to efficiently move people from where they are to where they want to be.

If it's funded by someone, it isn't free. You're part of the problem. You think that just because one or more parties are receiving a benefit without directly funding it, that it's "free". That isn't the case.


Safe, efficient, and reliable transportation is one of the building blocks of civilization. It is part of the basic infrastructure that every sane human being understands and agrees should be provided collectively, through taxes.
2014-08-03 11:00:02 AM  
1 votes:

untaken_name: If it's funded by someone, it isn't free. You're part of the problem.


And if you don't recognize "free roads" aren't actually free (and aren't even funded by the gas tax anymore, not that the massive real estate cost they embody ever was), you're part of the problem too.
2014-08-03 10:35:13 AM  
1 votes:
Those charts, even as explained, were confusing to try and read. And one major factor that they see to have left out is the choice of incentives (if any) that the employer offered vs the location of the business (ie. if you were located near a metro stop then offering a metro pass would makes sense). Then again, if I drive to work in my own car then I can stop at the grocery store after work and get a weeks worth of groceries. Taking the bus, not so much.

/this might change IF an area was designed with multi-mode transportation in mind from the start and not shoe-horned in as an afterthought
//and most places that try to shoe-horn something in do a halfhearted piss poor job
///at least the contractors make a ton of money, which is likely the real purpose anyway
2014-08-03 07:25:49 AM  
1 votes:
 What this study shows is how awful public transportation is and what a pain it is to park in the city. They're looking at symptoms, not the real issue.
2014-08-03 07:18:32 AM  
1 votes:
a household travel survey of 4,630 people with full-time jobs in the metro Washington, D.C., area

Ironic that they studied the one metro area that was built so that the guys from Georgia and the guys from Boston would have the same commute, a place that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for an increasingly generous and steady stream of money from federal government operations.

Clearly it would only be just and efficient to move the nation's capital to Plato, Missouri.
2014-08-03 07:07:28 AM  
1 votes:

ILoveBurritos: im14u2c: Hmmm... in the market they measured, parking ordinarily costs a non-trivial amount of money, doesn't it?  I mean, if I just want to park my car anywhere in the metro DC area, I'm going to pay a pretty penny, aren't I?

If so, offering free parking is a bit like offering free money, even if it's just the perception of free money.  I can see how that, combined with the freedom of driving your own car would skew the numbers.

Plus, how many folks figure "Hey, if I want to go out for dinner / a show / whatever after work, I could just leave my car parked at work, and not worry about having to catch a train off peak or hail a cab" and use the lot at work for double-duty?

I use my work lot whenever I go downtown.


I'm glad to see that American adults have not gone retarded.

/seriously
//free benefits are awesome
///i take public transit as I got rid of my car
2014-08-03 07:05:19 AM  
1 votes:
I thought Free Parking earned you $500 if you land on it..
2014-08-03 05:41:23 AM  
1 votes:
I'd like to see the numbers on the employees that actually lived close enough to not have to drive their cars in and see what they would choose based on the scenarios given in the article.

If most live in the suburbs or further out,  and couldn't catch a bus or train even if they wanted to then those numbers in the article are going to be skewed quite a bit and become pretty meaningless.
2014-08-03 05:36:17 AM  
1 votes:
So, according to all those different charts, the hot dog I had in Atlanta when I watched the Braves play about 10 years ago... just now came out of me this past week?
2014-08-03 05:27:56 AM  
1 votes:

im14u2c: Hmmm... in the market they measured, parking ordinarily costs a non-trivial amount of money, doesn't it?  I mean, if I just want to park my car anywhere in the metro DC area, I'm going to pay a pretty penny, aren't I?

If so, offering free parking is a bit like offering free money, even if it's just the perception of free money.  I can see how that, combined with the freedom of driving your own car would skew the numbers.

Plus, how many folks figure "Hey, if I want to go out for dinner / a show / whatever after work, I could just leave my car parked at work, and not worry about having to catch a train off peak or hail a cab" and use the lot at work for double-duty?


I use my work lot whenever I go downtown.
2014-08-03 05:22:30 AM  
1 votes:
Hmmm... in the market they measured, parking ordinarily costs a non-trivial amount of money, doesn't it?  I mean, if I just want to park my car anywhere in the metro DC area, I'm going to pay a pretty penny, aren't I?

If so, offering free parking is a bit like offering free money, even if it's just the perception of free money.  I can see how that, combined with the freedom of driving your own car would skew the numbers.

Plus, how many folks figure "Hey, if I want to go out for dinner / a show / whatever after work, I could just leave my car parked at work, and not worry about having to catch a train off peak or hail a cab" and use the lot at work for double-duty?
2014-08-03 03:55:32 AM  
1 votes:
Parking may be free, but the gas still gets you. The math is still in favor of public transit, assuming these amazingly talented people can do math...

Also, I'm in Texas and we don't believe in mass transit, so ... I don't know where I'm going with this, but hey ... I still have a half a glass of wine!
 
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