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2014-08-02 03:53:27 PM
Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.
 
2014-08-02 04:06:22 PM
Prices will go down?  Ha!
 
2014-08-02 04:09:08 PM

gaslight: Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.


Agreed. One of the nicer things you can make with cheap cuts is a simple goulash. Just some onions, meat, tomatoes and bell peppers. Use lots of powdered paprika, and a bit of salt and pepper, and serve over noodles or rice. That's some good eatin'

/Just make sure to cut up the meat into tiny pieces when you start out. Otherwise it will take too long to cook and the bell peppers will get too soft.
 
2014-08-02 05:30:26 PM

Hal5423: gaslight: Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.

Agreed. One of the nicer things you can make with cheap cuts is a simple goulash. Just some onions, meat, tomatoes and bell peppers. Use lots of powdered paprika, and a bit of salt and pepper, and serve over noodles or rice. That's some good eatin'

/Just make sure to cut up the meat into tiny pieces when you start out. Otherwise it will take too long to cook and the bell peppers will get too soft.


Get one of these 'needle tenderizers'.

www.chefscatalog.com

About 20 bucks. I use it a lot for roasts and tougher cuts of meats.
Academy sports sells them in their BBQ section.
 
2014-08-02 05:32:31 PM

gaslight: Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.


Tongue is unbelievable - I made pressed tongue last winter on a dare to myself, and it was the best damn lunch meat EVAR.

And actually, you don't even really have to learn to cook.  Cheap cuts like chuck roast are pretty damned amazing just thrown in a crock pot with salt and pepper and slow cooked all day on low.  One of my favourite "Ain' nobody got time fo' dat" things for Sunday Dinner used to be to throw portions of cheap round steak in the crock pot with sliced onions and canned golden mushroom soup.  Cook on high all afternoon, serve over noodles.

Also, for cheap, try pork.  When I lived in the US, you could get pork roast on sale for $.99/lb - put that in a crock pot and pour a Malta soda over it, garlic, salt, pepper... easy peasy.  There are tons of recipes out there for marinades.

Seriously - I loves me some beef - and here where I am in the True North Strong and Free, chicken and pork are only slightly less expensive than beef, which is relatively cheap compared to when I left the US.  I can't wait until prices come back down on the stuff.
 
2014-08-02 05:32:50 PM

optikeye: Hal5423: gaslight: Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.

Agreed. One of the nicer things you can make with cheap cuts is a simple goulash. Just some onions, meat, tomatoes and bell peppers. Use lots of powdered paprika, and a bit of salt and pepper, and serve over noodles or rice. That's some good eatin'

/Just make sure to cut up the meat into tiny pieces when you start out. Otherwise it will take too long to cook and the bell peppers will get too soft.

Get one of these 'needle tenderizers'.

[www.chefscatalog.com image 285x285]

About 20 bucks. I use it a lot for roasts and tougher cuts of meats.
Academy sports sells them in their BBQ section.


Got mine from amazon.com.  Love it.
 
2014-08-02 06:20:10 PM
I just refuse to buy or eat pork or beef. The cost to feed those animals is far higher than the meat they yield. Factory farming, where most of the meat at the supermarket comes from, is an ecological disaster and a hellish life for the animals.

Chickens aren't treated much better but at least they're sustainable as a food source.
 
2014-08-02 06:51:21 PM
I was unaware beef was expensive. I don't remember it being cheaper except maybe when I was a kid, but who the hell pays attention to the price of sirloin when you're busy whining to mom about buying some cookies.
 
2014-08-02 06:54:53 PM

jaylectricity: I was unaware beef was expensive. I don't remember it being cheaper except maybe when I was a kid, but who the hell pays attention to the price of sirloin when you're busy whining to mom about buying some cookies.


Considering the price has been breaking records, it's probably been cheaper before.  Probably.
 
2014-08-02 06:55:33 PM
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2014-08-02 07:06:38 PM

brigid_fitch: I just refuse to buy or eat pork or beef. The cost to feed those animals is far higher than the meat they yield. Factory farming, where most of the meat at the supermarket comes from, is an ecological disaster and a hellish life for the animals.

Chickens aren't treated much better but at least they're sustainable as a food source.


media.treehugger.com
 
2014-08-02 07:17:02 PM
Sell Mortimer, SELL!
 
2014-08-02 07:17:52 PM
High meat prices? Sounds like a liberal hoax to me.
 
2014-08-02 07:22:26 PM
No problemo....lobster is going for $5/lb on the seaside.  Get some.
 
2014-08-02 07:26:17 PM

basemetal: Prices will go down?  Ha!


Prices are going down.  I remember the prices for a choice rib eye steak about 8 years ago when there was the big "mad cow" thing going on it was about the same as it is today.  I remember saying at that time that a lot of you farkers were going to quit buying the steak I want and the cost would go down.  I guess I underestimated the power of that steak, and the cost held steady and never went down against the dollar.*

/the price of ground meat has gone up, but this is just lately.  I don't know why.  Maybe to fark the Hamburger Helper croud
//*actually the price of that steak went down "against the dollar" with inflation
 
2014-08-02 07:27:30 PM
I do my rib-eye once a week

Rest of the time it's usually shrimp, chicken or fish.
 
2014-08-02 07:28:05 PM
"Beef prices won't even start to come down until late 2015 and pork not until at least late this year.  Your dog wants steak, but is stuck settling for chicken."

I understand Walmart is expecting some fresh monkey meat in from Liberia in the next week.  That'll go well with the distilled Toledo tap water they're going to have on sale.
 
2014-08-02 07:28:58 PM
Really? Pork is cheap - and I get lean center loin cuts. Its the chicken that's killing me. When did chicken breasts get so expensive!

Never bought much beef in the first place- though I do miss the supermarkets carrying stew beef. Wonder what happened to it.
 
2014-08-02 07:31:05 PM

codigo: I do my rib-eye once a week

Rest of the time it's usually shrimp, chicken or fish.


Shrimp has not been cheap lately.  Used to be able to grab it on sale for $5/lb.  Hard to go lower than $8/lb this summer.
 
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2014-08-02 07:31:24 PM

basemetal: Prices will go down?  Ha!


Exactly.  Prices aren't going to go down.
 
2014-08-02 07:33:23 PM

gaslight: Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.


And learn how to use a smoker. I've got 8lbs of pork shoulder going on in the morning and I'll be able to feed about 12 people heavily for $18. Currently have four pounds of boneless turkey breast on for some delicious sammich meat.
 
2014-08-02 07:33:57 PM

brigid_fitch: I just refuse to buy or eat pork or beef.


Cool, more for me.
 
2014-08-02 07:34:00 PM
So if everyone disregards the "good" parts of the meat and only buys the cheaper cuts, resulting in 90% waste meat, what do you think will happen to prices in general?
 
2014-08-02 07:35:32 PM

brigid_fitch: I just refuse to buy or eat pork or beef. The cost to feed those animals is far higher than the meat they yield. Factory farming, where most of the meat at the supermarket comes from, is an ecological disaster and a hellish life for the animals.

Chickens aren't treated much better but at least they're sustainable as a food source.


Buy grass fed beef.

It costs more, but it's "sustainable" if you care about that. In fact, its a highly efficient use of scrub/brush land that would otherwise be incapable of producing food stock.

Also, your dairy cows are given commercial feed, they are not grass fed. Hope you don't like milk or cheese.
 
2014-08-02 07:37:07 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Also, for cheap, try pork. When I lived in the US, you could get pork roast on sale for $.99/lb - put that in a crock pot and pour a Malta soda over it, garlic, salt, pepper... easy peasy. There are tons of recipes out there for marinades.


Pork went up a lot this year.  Tenderloin used to be $1.99/lb, now it's $3.99.  I haven't seen $.99 pork in nearly two years.

And even the "cheap" cuts are high now, if you can find them.  I've not seen beef tongue in the grocery in years, gotta go to a butcher for that - and that's more money.
 
2014-08-02 07:38:32 PM
It takes a cow the same amount of time as a human to gestate a fetus, and 2 years on average before the steer is big enough for slaughter.

So if every cow in the world got pregnant today, it would be 2 years 9 months before we see any steaks out of the deal.

In 1973 during the last beef crisis, Nixon made a fool of himself by saying:  "We must increase beef production 50% by next year."

  To this quip,  some rancher replied: "Yeah? What's he gonna do, let a bull get his wife pregnant?"
 
2014-08-02 07:38:33 PM

Fallout Zone: codigo: I do my rib-eye once a week

Rest of the time it's usually shrimp, chicken or fish.

Shrimp has not been cheap lately.  Used to be able to grab it on sale for $5/lb.  Hard to go lower than $8/lb this summer.


I've been getting fresh off the boat 20-30 count for around $5
 
2014-08-02 07:39:03 PM

vodka: So if everyone disregards the "good" parts of the meat and only buys the cheaper cuts, resulting in 90% waste meat, what do you think will happen to prices in general?


They'll go down.
 
2014-08-02 07:39:32 PM
be like your messiah and eat your dog
 
2014-08-02 07:40:05 PM

NFA: basemetal: Prices will go down?  Ha!

Exactly.  Prices aren't going to go down.


As someone who has been shopping for decades I would like to tell you that you are wrong. I can be cynical too but meat prices fluctuate, and sometimes that means they go down. It trends upward but the notion that they never go down is false.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-02 07:40:57 PM
12% year over year?

I'm going to take my 401(k) and buy steak with it!  It's an investment strategy that can't fail!
 
2014-08-02 07:41:23 PM

codigo: Fallout Zone: codigo: I do my rib-eye once a week

Rest of the time it's usually shrimp, chicken or fish.

Shrimp has not been cheap lately.  Used to be able to grab it on sale for $5/lb.  Hard to go lower than $8/lb this summer.

I've been getting fresh off the boat 20-30 count for around $5


That doesn't count.  Most people don't live close enough to a fishing dock to do that.

And if they're $5 off the boat now, what were they three years ago?
 
2014-08-02 07:42:12 PM

gaslight: Learn how to cook.

I've learned how to make all sorts of old fashioned cuts of meat and once you've mastered the art of the slow cooker, marinades and the like, it's amazing how cheaply one can eat. Tongue, heart, tripe and all of the tough cuts are deeeeeeelicious once you know what you're doing. True, there's a bit of a learning curve.

I haven't done brain yet.


Y'know, I've never had brains.

... uh, wait ...
 
2014-08-02 07:44:19 PM

SamWaters: No problemo....lobster is going for $5/lb on the seaside.  Get some.


I've heard that there was a glut on Maine lobsters but it has yet to be reflected in the "market price" quote at my area lobster roll establishments.

As a lobster roll aficionado I have been both outraged and scandalized.
 
2014-08-02 07:44:48 PM
Bought some local beef today at a farmer's market.  Seem pretty expensive, but they say it used to roam around here.
 
2014-08-02 07:46:38 PM
beef is not for the commonFolk
 
2014-08-02 07:52:47 PM

Sum Dum Gai: 12% year over year?

I'm going to take my 401(k) and buy steak with it!  It's an investment strategy that can't fail!


I did that. Got four tons. And a special deal where I only have to keep three tons of it at my house.

/credit to Steve Martin
 
2014-08-02 07:53:27 PM
I will fork over about $1,700 for a half beef and half hog at a nearby meat locker later this month, and will be damn happy to do it despite the fact it was about $1,400 last year.

We ran out of steaks about a month ago but had company last weekend, which ended up setting me back $55 for four average ribeyes.

/$2.68 per pound for the beef
//$2.35 per pound for the hog
 
2014-08-02 07:55:27 PM

IronTom: Bought some local beef today at a farmer's market.  Seem pretty expensive, but they say it used to roam around here.


I buy all my meats locally. Prices haven't changed in years for me.
 
2014-08-02 07:59:02 PM
I got ripped off with fake Kobe beef. I should have guessed by the taste. But I knew for sure the next day when he started in the Lakers/Knicks game.
 
2014-08-02 08:05:08 PM
I buy a lot less meat now because of prices. As people have mentioned above, slow cookers rock for cheap cuts.

I live in Michigan and we have a store chain up here called Meijer. They sell frozen ground turkey for $1.99 a pound. Just let it thaw and use it for your tacos and chilis as a substitue for ground beef. It tastes so damn close to beef when you add the spices for only half the cost. I then also add some beans to it also to get a huge yeild. I'll get some pretty impressive amounts of chili by doing this. Ground turkey, lots of beans, even brown rice to cut it. It tastes great and I can make enough to last a week for lunches at work.
 
2014-08-02 08:06:06 PM
Oh god, I read that as "Beer prices" and nearly fainted.
 
2014-08-02 08:16:18 PM

reincarnation_mutation: Oh god, I read that as "Beer prices" and nearly fainted.


www.dirtybutton.com
 
2014-08-02 08:18:08 PM
People will eat mor chiken.  It's just too much more efficient to raise than livestock.

Reduced demand will moderate price, then the reduced price will increase demand, etc.  People won't starve for enough protein.
 
2014-08-02 08:18:55 PM
Can anybody recommend a good slow cooker? I'll be in the market for one soon.

/family of 4
//might as well be two since the kids are super picky
 
2014-08-02 08:24:28 PM

sotua: Can anybody recommend a good slow cooker?


toys.about.com

Slow enough?
 
2014-08-02 08:27:42 PM
All this talk of slow cookers. Unless you have one of your grandmas slow cookers, the liquid is boiling after an hour even on low.  I guess manufacturers are scared of being sued for food borne illness.
 
2014-08-02 08:34:14 PM

jst3p: NFA: basemetal: Prices will go down?  Ha!

Exactly.  Prices aren't going to go down.

As someone who has been shopping for decades I would like to tell you that you are wrong. I can be cynical too but meat prices fluctuate, and sometimes that means they go down. It trends upward but the notion that they never go down is false.

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Notice how that is an average straight line increase in price over time......

Also, as long as grain prices keep increasing, diesel prices increase, fertilizer prices increase,  vet supplies increase..........there will be prices past along.

/and the droughts that crippled most ranchers a few years ago didn't help
//and continue to cause problems with availability
 
2014-08-02 08:51:29 PM
just know how to handle various cuts of meat you can make any of them quite tasty and tender.
 
2014-08-02 08:56:44 PM
"meat is murder"

/oblig
 
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