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2014-08-02 07:54:04 PM  
11 votes:
I have no problem with people who want to live how they want and even call themselves anything they want. I draw the line when they try to convince everyone that we all have to accept that they are what they want to be. This is a male human. Nothing can ever change the fact that this is a male. And he should not be allowed to enter a competition meant for females. There is more to sex and gender than just having a idea in your head about what you want to be. If he wants to dress like a female, give himself a female name and even tell his friends that he would prefer they refer to him as a female, fine. What goes on in his head and in his own home or with his friends or significant others is his business. But making a public ordeal about it in some attempt to just start calling males female just because they want us to is over the line.

I wouldn't be comfortable with this man changing at a public pool in the female dressing room, possibly in front of young female children for the simple fact he is a male and as a society we don't generally accept adult males and adolescent or preteen females in the same place. And that concept applies to this as well. Until such a day comes where we lose all ideas of sexuality, propriety and nakedness being tied together, we accept that in some areas of life, men and women are best kept temporarily separated such as bathrooms, showers, changing rooms, etc. And this does indeed apply to other areas where something is meant for females or males exclusively.

Can a male seek refuge in a domestic abuse shelter if he believes he is female?
Can a male use the military physical fitness scale for females if he believes he is male?
Can a male join a sorority if he believes he is female?
Can a male receive scholarships meant for women if he believes he is female?

This person is a male. And he should not be allowed to join any competition or organization that limits its membership to females just because he really really wants to be a female, no matter how he chooses to live his personal life.
2014-08-02 05:25:50 PM  
7 votes:
31.media.tumblr.com

\this thread will get uglier than he/she is
2014-08-02 07:39:50 PM  
6 votes:
So, now it's heroic to be a friggin weirdo?
2014-08-02 06:37:37 PM  
6 votes:
You and I have very VERY different ideas of smokin' hot,
Subby.
2014-08-02 07:44:17 PM  
5 votes:
Trangenders even face discrimination/abuse from within the GLBT group. With that being said, trying to make things better for Transsexuals through beauty pageants is silly. Beauty pageants degrade women as they are by making them into sex symbols.
2014-08-02 08:20:02 PM  
4 votes:
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2014-08-02 10:45:51 PM  
3 votes:

Theaetetus: baconbeard: Theaetetus: baconbeard: ciberido: taurusowner: What if it were a male who feels he's male competing on a team sport for women? If you were a woman in say, a woman's college basketball team, how would you feel if a few of your opposing team's players were guys and outperformed the rest of the team? Would you not say they shouldn't have been able to join a woman's basketball team in the first place given that they're not actually female? What if your daughter's school softball team got beaten by another girls softball team that happened to have a male star player? Would you not be upset that he was even able to join?

What if you weren't too much of a dumbass to google "transgender athlete" or "trans women in sports"?  Would you not then have your answer without embarrassing yourself?

Fight the good fight, brave SJW!!!

That's twice you've introduced the term in this thread, both times as a pejorative... which really makes one wonder why you're so opposed to justice.

Nice deflection. You must be a lawyer.

What deflection? You called him a "social justice warrior" in a non-complimentary way. Why do you think social justice is a bad thing?

Really, your changing the subject to point out that I'm a lawyer is the deflection, since it gives you another few posts to avoid admitting that you're opposed to justice.


I see... "Have you stopped beating your wife?" in other words.

Saying that someone who mocks "Social Justice Warriors" is opposed to justice is like saying that someone opposed to "National Socialists" is opposed to socialism. "Justice" is the last thing SJW's are interested in. "Vengeance" would be more appropriate.
2014-08-02 10:39:40 PM  
3 votes:

Theaetetus: baconbeard: ciberido: taurusowner: What if it were a male who feels he's male competing on a team sport for women? If you were a woman in say, a woman's college basketball team, how would you feel if a few of your opposing team's players were guys and outperformed the rest of the team? Would you not say they shouldn't have been able to join a woman's basketball team in the first place given that they're not actually female? What if your daughter's school softball team got beaten by another girls softball team that happened to have a male star player? Would you not be upset that he was even able to join?

What if you weren't too much of a dumbass to google "transgender athlete" or "trans women in sports"?  Would you not then have your answer without embarrassing yourself?

Fight the good fight, brave SJW!!!

That's twice you've introduced the term in this thread, both times as a pejorative... which really makes one wonder why you're so opposed to justice.


He probably isn't opposed to justice, itself, just opposed to the posturing that is a mockery of justice such as people like yourself purvey in such threads.

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2014-08-02 09:10:13 PM  
3 votes:
"Determined to be the first transgender glamour model:?

Too late:
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2014-08-02 08:42:07 PM  
3 votes:

DrPainMD: brainiac-dumdum: Pointy Tail of Satan: I don't understand how this works. If he/she is attracted to men, but acts like a woman, would the friend be gay or straight? My biological algebra is dividing by zero here

She's hetero.

Give the "chick" a blow job and tell me how hetero you feel afterwards.


Most MtF Trans people really don't want anything done with their dicks, and have as little to do with them as possible. It can often trigger a dysphoria attack.

(Why yes I know trans people, did security in a place that held couseling sessions, picked up a lot of info on the job talking to doctors and the people there. )
2014-08-02 08:34:09 PM  
3 votes:

Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.


What would them putting a picture up have to do with anything?  She's the one that decided to put herself out there,  talking about wanting to model and enter beauty pageants,  so why wouldn't her looks be up for debate?

If the people calling her ugly here were also modeling and entering such pageants then I could see some merit to it,  but they likely aren't so asking them to post pictures to be able to comment on her looks really doesn't have any point to it that I can see.
2014-08-02 08:01:17 PM  
3 votes:

Prophet of Loss: theflatline: I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.

They just want men to see and desire them as we do women. Sadly aside from a small minority, men will never seen them as such.


Why is that sad? Sexual desire stems from the genetic predisposition to procreate. Species that are divided into to sexes and reproduce sexually are genetically programmed to seek out mates of the opposite sex in order to procreate. Our minds manifest this natural desire in the form of sexual attraction and love. The statistical outliers of homosexuality and transgender ideas don't change the fact that human species as a whole is still a dual gender species and undertakes sexual reproduction by combining genetic material from 1 of each sex. That is the way humans work. That is normal. That doesn't excuse violence towards humans who have mental issues that cause them not to conform to the general male/female mating relationship, but the fact remains that male/female mating relationships are natural and are the dominant form of human sexual/romantic relationships for a very real reason. There is nothing "sad" about that. That's just being a member of the human species.
2014-08-02 07:51:27 PM  
3 votes:

theflatline: I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.


They just want men to see and desire them as we do women. Sadly aside from a small minority, men will never seen them as such.
2014-08-02 07:44:27 PM  
3 votes:
It's nice to see the standard two minute trans* hate on FARK for the day.

It's even the same reliable posters. I don't like change!
2014-08-03 01:11:48 PM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: Except that until 20 years ago they all said the opposite. The only reason they changed was due to public pressure, there was no new evidence to support the change

The classification of transgenderism/Gender Identity dysphoria as a mental disorder was never about science, but rather the use of psychiatric definitions to label and discriminate against socially "different" persons. Ironically, your claim that it is linked to homosexuality a few sentences down is also involving a group that the DSM-I and II was used to discriminate against in a non-scientific, dogmatic fashion.


So we agree then Psychologist don't know what they are doing and never have

And again, every leading body in the medical and psychiatric community disagrees with your position, stating that Gender Identity Dysphoria is a medical problem, not mental disorder, and should be treated as such. When you're the lone voice of disagreement, the overwhelming chance is that it is not them who is wrong, it's  you.


What aboutPaul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore listed above?

You're entitled to personally believe what you want. However, when you go spouting your "mouth" off in public, don't expect other people not to call you an idiot and smack you down for it.

You have smacked nothing but your monkey. Please stop with the juvenile "I WON, I WON" crap, It makes you look bad

CMYK and PMS: You might try reading that article for comprehension. It doesn't say what you think.

Yeah, it actually does. Gender identity and gender concepts begin to cement by age two to three of life, preceeded by peri-natal and post-natal factors such as brain development and physiological modeling in uterus.


No it doesn't. It just says that is when they can see there is a difference. Who usually reads things to you on Sunday?

From the article:
2-3 years
At this age, young children are developing "gender identity." This means that they begin to label themselves and others as male or female. They can use words to label friends, family, and themselves as a boy or a girl.

3-4 years
Children at this age begin to use "gender typing." They like putting things in


Of course, I'm sure the farker  CMYK and PMS knows more about pediatric developmental psychology than the APA and the American Academy of Pediatrics. Maybe you've written textbooks.

Logical fallacy

CMYK and PMS: No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.

Scientific and professional consensus would suggest otherwise. Not the least because sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.


No it doesn't. See I can do it too.

A gay or bisexual man engaging in crossdressing is not the same as someone who is transgendered. Sorry.

Where did you get this from?  Who said it was?

The DSM-IV-TR and DS ...
2014-08-03 12:53:54 PM  
2 votes:

CMYK and PMS: DSM IV Original edition whargarbl.


Hey, it's always nice when you can go back and cherry pick while ignoring three revisions of the DSM-IV prior to the release of the DSM-V.

I bet you can go back to the DSM-I and show me how homosexuality is a mental health disorder, too.

DSM-V Release Edition Criteria for Gender Identity Dysphoria

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing "disorder" with "dysphoria" in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology,
it also removes the connotation that the patient is "disordered."
2014-08-03 12:12:27 PM  
2 votes:

CMYK and PMS: From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do.


Ouch. I guess I struck a nerve with you, huh, cupcake? Your argument was not intelligent by any measure of the word. You deserved to be mocked for it.

CMYK and PMS: When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back.


Well, the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers don't seem to think so. Of course, a three second google search would have told you how wrong you were.

You're not even trying.

CMYK and PMS: I bet you think that they never revert back do you?


Oh, I bet you're dripping with evidence for that claim, right? Maybe you should actually read what the research says on the matter: Namely that people who abandon SRS typically do so because of external pressures from "understanding" people like you

CMYK and PMS: How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences?


Very well,actually.

CMYK and PMS: Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves


Because a child develops the concept of gender identity by the age of 3.

CMYK and PMS: Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.


Wow. You called me a pedophile.

You in no way sound mentally unbalanced. No way at all.

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2014-08-03 11:41:11 AM  
2 votes:

CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.


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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.
2014-08-03 11:36:15 AM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: Hey, I think I was born as George Washington. Does that mean I get to run the country?

Sorry. First you're going to have to rip your teeth out by hand, and get a nice set of wooden choppers. Otherwise, we won't believe you.

Man you are old fashioned. It doesn't matter if you believe me. ITS WHAT I WANT! I get to be whatever I want. I learned that on Sesame Street.

You learned nothing from Saint Big Bird and the holy deaf chick. How dare you besmirch and blaspheme against them.

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That said, you're welcome to believe you're the re-incarnation of George Washington as long as

1) It does not cause you to self-harm, or harm others.
2) It does not cause you distress to the point of being unable to perform your activities of daily life, and interact appropriately with other human beings.

Plenty of people believe they are the reincarnation of someone historical or important. You're entitled to all the magical thinking you want.

However, until you show distinct physiological and psychological differences that are both demonstrable and reproducible- i.e. growing wooden chompers and developing a taste for sweet,sweet slave booty - and develop a distinct concept - i.e. founding fatherism is not related to genetic linage, or rather gender is not a genetic construct - we're going to keep mocking you and saying Welcome to Fark when you object.


But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.
2014-08-03 01:00:16 AM  
2 votes:

Theaetetus: baconbeard: In my opinion, "Social Justice Warriors", view members of the "oppressed" classes as beyond reproach, and any criticism of them (no matter how reasonable it may be) is considered a "hate crime" (or at least something "unacceptable"). I don't get a sense that "justice" is the end goal here; it seems more like vindictive retribution for past grievances.

So you admit it's a strawman that you're ascribing to anyone who disagrees with you, based on your opinion, rather than, say, theirs?


I "admit" nothing of the sort, but nice try.

I'm using a common (and not unpopular) definition of "Social Justice Warrior" when I use the term in a mocking and derogatory manner. We could argue semantics until the cows come home.

But what's the point? Because the person in question is transgender, absolutely anything s/he does or says is beyond reproach, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a hate-filled bigot. I get that.
2014-08-02 09:08:45 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-08-02 08:54:16 PM  
2 votes:

Heliovdrake: Boo_Guy: Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

What would them putting a picture up have to do with anything?  She's the one that decided to put herself out there,  talking about wanting to model and enter beauty pageants,  so why wouldn't her looks be up for debate?

If the people calling her ugly here were also modeling and entering such pageants then I could see some merit to it,  but they likely aren't so asking them to post pictures to be able to comment on her looks really doesn't have any point to it that I can see.

Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged.  It's just a question.

Its less to do about her being trans and more about seeing if people mocking a stranger on the internet are willing to risk being mocked themselves...


No it's about her wanting a place in modeling and in pageantry, places that are very demanding in terms of physical beauty.  Trans or not, she's not likely to find a place within it based on her looks.  The people calling her ugly are expressing that,  rather crudely but still.  That's why their looks don't matter and hers does,  because she wants a job based on her looks.
2014-08-02 08:43:48 PM  
2 votes:

Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.


Only attractive people are allowed to think other people are ugly?
2014-08-02 08:43:47 PM  
2 votes:

Heliovdrake: Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged. It's just a question.


Umm...he's not wanting to run for a beauty contest.  If you're doing such a thing, you are 100% unequivocally giving people permission to judge your looks.
2014-08-02 08:38:49 PM  
2 votes:

Boo_Guy: Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

What would them putting a picture up have to do with anything?  She's the one that decided to put herself out there,  talking about wanting to model and enter beauty pageants,  so why wouldn't her looks be up for debate?

If the people calling her ugly here were also modeling and entering such pageants then I could see some merit to it,  but they likely aren't so asking them to post pictures to be able to comment on her looks really doesn't have any point to it that I can see.


Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged.  It's just a question.

Its less to do about her being trans and more about seeing if people mocking a stranger on the internet are willing to risk being mocked themselves...
2014-08-02 08:26:51 PM  
2 votes:

Shaggy_C: taurusowner: Sexual desire stems from the genetic predisposition to procreate.

Nah, don't think so.  Sexual desire comes from a genetic predisposition to orgasm. Even animals masturbate and, yes, occasionally bang members of the same sex.  If it were all about procreation, I'm sure Catholics would be a lot happier, but that's not how the world works.


What is the purpose of an orgasm?
2014-08-02 08:25:04 PM  
2 votes:
I've got some bad news for you sunshine. You can chop off parts or add parts. You can inject hormones. You can dress however you like but you are a boy and will always be a boy and nothing will ever change that. Absolutely nothing.
2014-08-02 08:06:46 PM  
2 votes:
I would pound that ass so hard her poop would look like a glazed chocolate donut
2014-08-02 08:05:54 PM  
2 votes:

Nightie don't call me Wig: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=fark.com

This thread is prime example of why fark.com doesn't matter anymore.  It's a ghost town here, and the only people left are loud, small-minded bigots who must view the world through a straw.  Seriously, this place is a cesspool.

Luckily large parts of the world are becoming more and more accepting of people who are different than them, like those scary vegetarians, homosexuals, and democrats.  Jesus Christ.


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
2014-08-02 08:05:42 PM  
2 votes:

dookdookdook: Nothing makes homophobes angrier than forcing them to confront their own repressed homosexual urges.

/could land a plane on that nose, tho'


It's not a gay thing, it's a fugly thing.   And she is one.
2014-08-02 08:05:00 PM  
2 votes:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=fark.com

This thread is prime example of why fark.com doesn't matter anymore.  It's a ghost town here, and the only people left are loud, small-minded bigots who must view the world through a straw.  Seriously, this place is a cesspool.

Luckily large parts of the world are becoming more and more accepting of people who are different than them, like those scary vegetarians, homosexuals, and democrats.  Jesus Christ.
2014-08-02 07:55:48 PM  
2 votes:
I may not be gay but if I was in a bar and Bailey Jay hit on me well...

/cue Lou Reed
2014-08-02 07:49:39 PM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: It's nice to see the standard two minute trans* hate on FARK for the day.

It's even the same reliable posters. I don't like change!


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2014-08-02 07:48:01 PM  
2 votes:
Good for her, but as transgenders go, she definitely looks more like a man in drag than a woman. It wonderful to follow your dreams. Just don't delude yourself that they will ever come true.

Now, everyone is gay from Carmen:

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2014-08-02 07:45:39 PM  
2 votes:
Only way she is smoking hot is after someone kills her with fire
2014-08-02 07:40:43 PM  
2 votes:
wow subby. you have REALLY low standards if you consider a horseface hot.

gender aside, thats one ugly biatch
2014-08-02 07:23:42 PM  
2 votes:
Death threats, really? WTF is wrong with people? I mean....ewww but death threats?
2014-08-02 07:16:27 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-08-02 06:54:04 PM  
2 votes:
Good for her.

That said...

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2014-08-02 05:43:20 PM  
2 votes:
Nothing makes homophobes angrier than forcing them to confront their own repressed homosexual urges.

/could land a plane on that nose, tho'
2014-08-03 10:00:06 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.

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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.

From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do. When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back. I bet you think that they never revert back do you? How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences? Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves. Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.


Oh, so this is what an AOL subscriber looks like.

/hi, and welcome to Fark
//please refrain from posting for a year so
///just read the posts and with a bit of luck you'll learn how to avoid looking stupid
////thanks
2014-08-03 06:37:01 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: Come back when you understand the difference between Scientific research and public opinion.


Well, I salute you. I wish I could be that dedicated to trolling after being proven entirely wrong.
2014-08-03 05:31:24 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: In order for me to sleep well tonight


Brave Sir Robin ran away!

Come back when you understand the difference between scientific research and evidence-based position statements, and opinion-editorial articles in USA Today.

I'll be here. :)
2014-08-03 05:29:47 PM  
1 vote:

neenerist: In the tizzy and froth you may have missed that link points to a policy statement from 'National Association of Social Workers (NASW) National Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Issues (NCLGBTI) ' and not anything resembling medical research.


Not really. Because the position statement of the National Association of Social Workers includes cited research they base their position statement upon.

Remind me, however, how this proves anything that frothing bigot claimed?
2014-08-03 04:27:12 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: And again, every leading body in the medical and psychiatric community disagrees with your position,


 In the tizzy and froth you may have missed that link points to a policy statement from 'National Association of Social Workers (NASW) National Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Issues (NCLGBTI) ' and not anything resembling medical research.
2014-08-03 04:25:26 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: That is not from the same article and as far as proving me wrong when will you start?

It was linked in the same post you said didn't say that. You were caught red handed replying with insults when you didn't even read the links.

Welcome to FARK.

CMYK and PMS: The head of Psychology at Johns Hopkins University is the equivalent of the heartland foundation? I'm done here the stupidity is just too deep

No. The way you're using him makes  YOU the equivalent of the Heartland Foundation. He's entitled to his  personal opinionon research, but that is just that. His personal opinion. It by no means represents the research of the entire psychiatric community, just as Johns Hopkins University is not the end all, be all on scientific research. You're making a meaningless appeal to authority, and acting as if because some random person said it with no scientific backing on the matter, it's the end all, be all of the issue.

The only person acting mind-numbingly, pants on head stupid here is you.

This past 100 posts of this thread has been one gigantic temper tantrum you've thrown trying to justify bigotry.


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2014-08-03 03:37:32 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: That is not from the same article and as far as proving me wrong when will you start?


It was linked in the same post you said didn't say that. You were caught red handed replying with insults when you didn't even read the links.

Welcome to FARK.

CMYK and PMS: The head of Psychology at Johns Hopkins University is the equivalent of the heartland foundation? I'm done here the stupidity is just too deep


No. The way you're using him makes  YOU the equivalent of the Heartland Foundation. He's entitled to his  personal opinionon research, but that is just that. His personal opinion. It by no means represents the research of the entire psychiatric community, just as Johns Hopkins University is not the end all, be all on scientific research. You're making a meaningless appeal to authority, and acting as if because some random person said it with no scientific backing on the matter, it's the end all, be all of the issue.

The only person acting mind-numbingly, pants on head stupid here is you.

This past 100 posts of this thread has been one gigantic temper tantrum you've thrown trying to justify bigotry.
2014-08-03 02:40:46 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: I stand corrected about the quote.


Good.  Now look up the Latin, and you can also stand corrected on the logical flaw in your argument.
2014-08-03 02:36:50 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: I stand behind it as did every one else until about 20 years ago.


Hey, you know what else you weren't doing 20 years ago?  Posting your ignorant opinions on the World Wide Web.  Why don't you stop using this new and radical form of communication, and go back to printing open letters in the newspaper like a good curmudgeon.
2014-08-03 02:28:26 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: Are you seriously saying that science has shown any reason for the change?


A Google Scholar search for "transgender" between 1994 (DSM IV published) and 2013 (DSM V published) yields about 30,000 results.  Get your head out of your ass.
2014-08-03 02:19:08 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: So only people you like count?


Well, now we can see you've gone completely overboard and are swimming to China.

I never made an appeal based on my personal training or education. I've backed every one of my statements up with evidence.

Yes. The Position Statements of the AMA, APA, NASW, AAP, and others are going to hold more weight than the opinion of a single person. And yes, they back their positions with evidence.

The best you've managed to come up with is a USA today article by a single person expressing his personal belief against the mainstream consensus of researchers. You're the psychiatric/sexological equivalent of the Heartland foundation dredging up some scientist who will say Climate change doesn't exist.

Only you're earning far less money, and doing it far less publicly.

CMYK and PMS: Prove I'm wrong, you haven't even been close yet


Other people seem to disagree. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to demonstrate how wrong you are, and let you demonstrate your own arrogance and personal narcissism in justifying your bigotry.

CMYK and PMS: This is not cherry picking. YOU said by age three so I showed age 3 to you. How do you even get the computer turned on?


Since you're outright ignoring my links, I'm not even going to bother.
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2014-08-03 02:11:19 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: Another Idiot heard from GO BACK AND LOOK IT WAS A PICTURE OF HARRY POTTER SAYING SOMETHING


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It's a picture of Rush sayings something, ergo "Obama is an excellent President, I wish I could vote for him again" is a Rush Limbaugh quote.   (eye roll)
2014-08-03 01:27:44 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: So we agree then Psychologist don't know what they are doing and never have


No. We agree you're being intentionally obtuse and pedantic on the matter, and that you are  not a reliable source on anything psychiatric or psychological in nature in the first place.

Basically put: Your opinion means nothing. Show facts.

CMYK and PMS: What aboutPaul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore listed above?


I didn't know one person quoted in USA today (A non-scientific, non-professional, traditionally socially conservative newspaper) was a leading medical body responsible for research and policy decisions in the United States. It's almost as if you're making a meaningless appeal to authority with nothing to back up your statement.

Grasp at those straws.

CMYK and PMS: You have smacked nothing but your monkey. Please stop with the juvenile "I WON, I WON" crap, It makes you look bad


As opposed to being blatantly, unabashedly trolling? Yeah, I think I'll ignore advice from you about "looking bad", when every one of your posts on this thread have been about reinforcing social dogmas which have no basis in fact or science.

CMYK and PMS: 2-3 years
At this age, young children are developing "gender identity." This means that they begin to label themselves and others as male or female. They can use words to label friends, family, and themselves as a boy or a girl.

3-4 years
Children at this age begin to use "gender typing." They like putting things in


Hey, weren't you the guy who said he wasn't going to cherry pick and/or quote mine?

Look at what you're doing. You might want to go back and re-read those links. For comprehension.

In the diagnosis of gender identity disorder of childhood, a referral for mental health assessment is made to address cross-gender behaviors. Most such children wear clothes of the opposite sex, play with toys typically preferred by the opposite sex, and have difficulty in same-sex peer interaction. Age of onset usually is in children younger than 5 years. Psychologic testing can be useful but is not used alone to make a diagnosis for children. (Source:http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview#aw2aab6 b5 )

CMYK and PMS: Logical fallacy


And now we get to introduce you to the "Fallacist's Fallacy"

CMYK and PMS: No it doesn't. See I can do it too.


Only if you ignore evidence otherwise. :) You seem to be good at it.

CMYK and PMS: Where did you get this from?  Who said it was?


Actually, the APA and NASW. The DSM-IV-TR and DSM-V were revised to reflect the best available scientific and professional evidence. Of course, since you seem to take that as "THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING LOLZ", that point is meaningless.
2014-08-03 01:06:26 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: It is not cherry picking. It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV. Psychology changes with public perception. Do you think this is the only time in history when these things were acceptable?


Ladies and gentlemen: Obtuse, wilful ignorance. See, textbook examples DO happen in real life.

What you say is only true if you ignore EVERYTHING about the practice and history of medicine and psychiatry/psychology. Not only that, but inject a large and unhealthy dose of revisionist history and social dogma into it.

You're wrong about everything you've posted in this thread. I know it is beyond your ability to admit it, but you are spectacularly wrong about it.

And as a bonus, you're well on your way to being another highly ignored troll on FARK. Bravo, Sir.
2014-08-03 01:01:50 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: DSM IV Original edition whargarbl.

Hey, it's always nice when you can go back and cherry pick while ignoring three revisions of the DSM-IV prior to the release of the DSM-V.

I bet you can go back to the DSM-I and show me how homosexuality is a mental health disorder, too.

DSM-V Release Edition Criteria for Gender Identity Dysphoria

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing "disorder" with "dysphoria" in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology,
it also removes the connotation that the patient is "disordered."


It is not cherry picking. It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV. Psychology changes with public perception. Do you think this is the only time in history when these things were acceptable?
2014-08-03 12:49:50 PM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: Except that until 20 years ago they all said the opposite. The only reason they changed was due to public pressure, there was no new evidence to support the change


The classification of transgenderism/Gender Identity dysphoria as a mental disorder was never about science, but rather the use of psychiatric definitions to label and discriminate against socially "different" persons. Ironically, your claim that it is linked to homosexuality a few sentences down is also involving a group that the DSM-I and II was used to discriminate against in a non-scientific, dogmatic fashion.

And again, every leading body in the medical and psychiatric community disagrees with your position, stating that Gender Identity Dysphoria is a medical problem, not mental disorder, and should be treated as such. When you're the lone voice of disagreement, the overwhelming chance is that it is not them who is wrong, it's  you.

You're entitled to personally believe what you want. However, when you go spouting your "mouth" off in public, don't expect other people not to call you an idiot and smack you down for it.

CMYK and PMS: You might try reading that article for comprehension. It doesn't say what you think.


Yeah, it actually does. Gender identity and gender concepts begin to cement by age two to three of life, preceeded by peri-natal and post-natal factors such as brain development and physiological modeling in uterus.

Of course, I'm sure the farker  CMYK and PMS knows more about pediatric developmental psychology than the APA and the American Academy of Pediatrics. Maybe you've written textbooks.

CMYK and PMS: No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.


Scientific and professional consensus would suggest otherwise. Not the least because sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.

A gay or bisexual man engaging in crossdressing is not the same as someone who is transgendered. Sorry.

The DSM-IV-TR and DSM-V both differentiate between that in the diagnostic caveats section for Gender Identity Dysphoria: Namely that the psychiatrist making the diagnosis must eliminate distress over sexual orientation or the presence of a paraphilia as the contributing cause before making the diagnosis.

CMYK and PMS: Cases such as Penner and Cluse raise questions about the causes of transgenderism. Paul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path.


Show me research that proves his position - which is contrary to the main research pursuit of the root of transgendered individuals, and I'll be happy to consider it. Otherwise, I'm sure you can find one or two people who can disagree with the consensus on everything from the 9/11 building collapse to climate change.

Appeals to authority are not meaningful when they are the opinion of one person in a non-scientific or non-professional publication.

CMYK and PMS: How in the name of FSM did you arrive at this?


Maybe you shouldn't infer your opponent likes lone children in the bathroom if you don't want to be seen in that light.

CMYK and PMS: I am not going to leave you with a stupid meme, what with me being an adult and all


No. You're going to come back and whine more about how people who know more than you on a topic won't let you spout off your bigotry unchecked, and how it's a conspiracy that leading medical bodies don't view people who are transgendered as fetish-driven perverts.
2014-08-03 12:28:34 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do.

Ouch. I guess I struck a nerve with you, huh, cupcake? Your argument was not intelligent by any measure of the word. You deserved to be mocked for it.


Oh so clever

CMYK and PMS: When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back.

Well, the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers don't seem to think so. Of course, a three second google search would have told you how wrong you were.


Except that until 20 years ago they all said the opposite. The only reason they changed was due to public pressure, there was no new evidence to support the change

You're not even trying.

CMYK and PMS: I bet you think that they never revert back do you?

Oh, I bet you're dripping with evidence for that claim, right? Maybe you should actually read what the research says on the matter: Namely that people who abandon SRS typically do so because of external pressures from "understanding" people like you


No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-02-24-transgender-pe nn er_N.htm

From the article:
Cases such as Penner and Cluse raise questions about the causes of transgenderism. Paul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path.

You're not even trying

CMYK and PMS: How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences?

Very well,actually.


CMYK and PMS: Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves

Because a child develops the concept of gender identity by the age of 3.


You might try reading that article for comprehension. It doesn't say what you think.

CMYK and PMS: Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.

Wow. You called me a pedophile.


How in the name of FSM did you arrive at this?

You in no way sound mentally unbalanced. No way at all.

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I am not going to leave you with a stupid meme, what with me being an adult and all
2014-08-03 11:57:40 AM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.

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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.

From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do. When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back. I bet you think that they never revert back do you? How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences? Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves. Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.

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Wow you are this dumb or trolling, oh well this thread has been a great way to pad my ignore list. Bye bye,
2014-08-03 11:22:55 AM  
1 vote:
This thread is proof that purging one's ignore list out of forgiveness is a naive and stupid thing to do.
2014-08-03 11:18:30 AM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: For example, if you don't recognize that this is the picture of a woman:


Being transgendered or transsexual is not the same as getting off on dressing like a woman, or acting out a fetish. It's also not the same as dressing up in a costume for shock value purposes.

The only people who try to claim any of the above are, for lack of a better word, idiots.

Ironically, most "crossdressers" are actually straight males (well, Straight as in less than or equal to on the Kinsey Scale). One of the more common fetishes, actually.

Even though you're not one of the people in power, you still sound pretty dumb repeating a point that has been addressed with you over numerous threads on the topic.
2014-08-03 11:14:33 AM  
1 vote:

CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: Hey, I think I was born as George Washington. Does that mean I get to run the country?

Sorry. First you're going to have to rip your teeth out by hand, and get a nice set of wooden choppers. Otherwise, we won't believe you.

Man you are old fashioned. It doesn't matter if you believe me. ITS WHAT I WANT! I get to be whatever I want. I learned that on Sesame Street.


You learned nothing from Saint Big Bird and the holy deaf chick. How dare you besmirch and blaspheme against them.

i.imgur.com

That said, you're welcome to believe you're the re-incarnation of George Washington as long as

1) It does not cause you to self-harm, or harm others.
2) It does not cause you distress to the point of being unable to perform your activities of daily life, and interact appropriately with other human beings.

Plenty of people believe they are the reincarnation of someone historical or important. You're entitled to all the magical thinking you want.

However, until you show distinct physiological and psychological differences that are both demonstrable and reproducible- i.e. growing wooden chompers and developing a taste for sweet,sweet slave booty - and develop a distinct concept - i.e. founding fatherism is not related to genetic linage, or rather gender is not a genetic construct - we're going to keep mocking you and saying Welcome to Fark when you object.
2014-08-03 06:32:20 AM  
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baconbeard: Because the person in question is transgender, absolutely anything s/he does or says is beyond reproach, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a hate-filled bigot. I get that.


No, you're a "hate filled bigot" because you're arguing from a position of wilful ignorance. Not because the other person is "beyond reproach" for being transgender.

But hey, whatever makes you feel superior at the end of the day.
2014-08-03 12:56:24 AM  
1 vote:

Theaetetus: That's twice you've introduced the term in this thread, both times as a pejorative... which really makes one wonder why you're so opposed to justice.


"Social justice" is neither social, nor just. This is especially true of social justice types concerned to transgender issues.

Seriously -- when your cri de coeur is a wish for the deaths of 99.7+% of the human race, that is an solid indication you are very much  not on the side of justice.

/Google "die cis scum"
//You'll see what I mean.
2014-08-02 11:15:38 PM  
1 vote:

Theaetetus: Sure, if in other words, we describe your "insult" as calling him a battered spouse advocate.

Saying that someone who mocks "Social Justice Warriors" is opposed to justice is like saying that someone opposed to "National Socialists" is opposed to socialism. "Justice" is the last thing SJW's are interested in. "Vengeance" would be more appropriate.

I can't imagine how vengeance would come into play there - you don't know him, do you? Accordingly, how can he be acting in a vengeful way towards you that causes you to accuse him of...
... this is the root problem - what exactly are you accusing him of? 'Cause currently, your "insult" ranks right up there with calling someone an abolitionist or a civil rights advocate or, yes, a battered spouse advocate. There's definitely groups of people who consider those insults... but why you want to voluntarily associate yourself with them, I don't know.


You're an intelligent person. Don't embarrass yourself by feigning ignorance about a classic example of a  loaded question. It has nothing to do with being a "battered spouse advocate" and you fully know it.

My use (and derision of) the term "Social Justice Warrior" has already been explained (by someone else) by means of a link. Here it is again.

In my opinion, "Social Justice Warriors", view members of the "oppressed" classes as beyond reproach, and any criticism of them (no matter how reasonable it may be) is considered a "hate crime" (or at least something "unacceptable"). I don't get a sense that "justice" is the end goal here; it seems more like vindictive retribution for past grievances.
2014-08-02 11:00:36 PM  
1 vote:

MSBFDffpm: 162 comments, and no...[img.fark.net image 685x385]


Because it was better when it was...

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2014-08-02 10:52:48 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah, I was all set to be open minded and come in here and be all, I don't care if it used to be a boy, it's a girl now and it's hot.

But it ain't.  Whatever it is, it ain't hot.

Sorry.
2014-08-02 10:46:13 PM  
1 vote:
The real HERO tag sits off to the side, sobbing.

Fu*k you for abusing that word, subby.
2014-08-02 10:36:00 PM  
1 vote:

insertsnarkyusername: Obvious transformer is obvious.


What an obvious transformer may look like:
upload.wikimedia.org
www.comicbookmovie.com
"Don't mind me... I'm just a 20 foot tall boombox that plays ten foot wide cassettes."
2014-08-02 10:34:44 PM  
1 vote:

MrHappyRotter: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

And hopefully not apologizing for being wholly ignorant of the actual facts regarding gender and biology!


Keep telling yourself that mutilating yourself will make you look like the person you think you should be. Straighten your nose, teeth, remove moles, have surgery to make yourself thinner, but splice and dice and stuffing your chest to make yourself look unrecognizable to your mother is a horse of a different color. Why not go all out and go dolphin?

38.media.tumblr.com
2014-08-02 10:34:00 PM  
1 vote:

taurusowner: I have no problem with people who want to live how they want and even call themselves anything they want. I draw the line when they try to convince everyone that we all have to accept that they are what they want to be.



i.imgur.com
2014-08-02 09:47:10 PM  
1 vote:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Interestingly enough, there is a real issue with the trans community in medical procedures. Asking for sex is tricky, and some folks get REALLY upset when you don't refer to them by their preferred pronoun. But, I don't have much sympathy in that very narrow condition, because medical necessity trumps personal gender identification.


And, on the other hand, there are insurance companies that refuse to pay for prostate cancer procedures for male-to-female transgender folks, because if there's an F on their paperwork for gender, then that trumps biology and medical necessity.
2014-08-02 09:38:19 PM  
1 vote:

06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.


So you call women with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome dudes as well then?
2014-08-02 09:29:27 PM  
1 vote:
Because it's not like "beauty pageant contestant" automatically tells everyone that you're a terrible human being with severe body image issues to boot, or anything.

Yeah, it makes you a role model, that's the ticket.  Not protesting too much at all, there.
2014-08-02 09:11:00 PM  
1 vote:
Now lets be fair. He's better looking that most of the women that have been on Fark. I know thats not saying much but still...
2014-08-02 09:04:07 PM  
1 vote:

Shaggy_C: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

Could be XXYYYZ..What then?


img.fark.net
2014-08-02 09:01:37 PM  
1 vote:
Double fail: subby and Daily Fail.

/Jessica why the long face?


images.boomsbeat.com
2014-08-02 09:00:33 PM  
1 vote:

Shaggy_C: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

Could be XXY...What then?


Then it would stand to reason this person would not be able to compete in either male or female contests, since it is technically not a member of either.
2014-08-02 08:59:26 PM  
1 vote:
What if it were a male who feels he's male competing on a team sport for women? If you were a woman in say, a woman's college basketball team, how would you feel if a few of your opposing team's players were guys and outperformed the rest of the team? Would you not say they shouldn't have been able to join a woman's basketball team in the first place given that they're not actually female? What if your daughter's school softball team got beaten by another girls softball team that happened to have a male star player? Would you not be upset that he was even able to join?

Many jobs such as military, police, firefighters, etc have a physical fitness test as part of the hiring process or advancing in rank. If you were a male but got outscored by another male and thus he got hired and you didn't or he got a promotion and you didn't, would you be upset if the only reason he outscored you is because he got graded on the female scale while you had to stick with the male scale?
2014-08-02 08:58:40 PM  
1 vote:

06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.


And hopefully not apologizing for being wholly ignorant of the actual facts regarding gender and biology!
2014-08-02 08:54:40 PM  
1 vote:
What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.
2014-08-02 08:50:19 PM  
1 vote:

IamAwake: Heliovdrake: Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged. It's just a question.

Umm...he's not wanting to run for a beauty contest.  If you're doing such a thing, you are 100% unequivocally giving people permission to judge your looks


See they did enter a contest, or wanted to.... and that takes guts, given how they look.. It takes a lot of guts really regardless of gender. Are the posters here, on a much smaller venue as brave and gutsy as the person in the story?

Thats the question. People here have much less on the line.

Foxxinnia:
Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

Only attractive people are allowed to think other people are ugly?


No see my above answer and posts.

Let me be a little more clear too... Im not saying you are not allowed to judge this person. You are, thats freedom.  I was only asking if you judge them, are you willing to be judged yourself, like this person was?
2014-08-02 08:45:25 PM  
1 vote:
These kinds of competitions are (or should) basically just judging people on standards of physical as well as social feminine beauty. To me, it seems like your birth gender versus your self-perceived gender shouldn't be part of the equation. Simplified, I know, but if the standard is that the winner has beautiful curvy hips, bouncy boobs, shimmering hair, pretty makeup, and looks good in a swimsuit -- well if a man can pull it off the best, then that man should win. If a MTF can pull it off best, then that MTF should win. If a woman can pull it off the best, then that woman should win. This is not to mention, all the middle ground that people conveniently either choose to ignore, or are just plain ignorant of. There are a not insignificant number of people whose physical gender very much defies our binary male/female concept. Some people whose chromosomes don't align well with their gender, some born hermaphrodites and whose parents made a decision about gender shortly after birth, and it just gets more complicated from there.

To be honest, and part of this requires you to be honest with yourself, if you're able to, but so much of the female "beauty" you see these days is fake. There's the makeup, wigs, padded bras, push-up ass pants, high heels, breast implants, cosmetic surgery, liposuction, duct tape, hair spray, spray on tanning, lip injections, botox ... the list goes on. I'm sorry, but you know some of the biological female contestants have all of that going on, and quite frankly, they've made as many or more modifications to their bodies in the name of adhering to feminine convention than the average male to female transgender person.
2014-08-02 08:44:17 PM  
1 vote:
I think she is pretty.
2014-08-02 08:43:35 PM  
1 vote:
oh
god
who
the
hell
cares?
2014-08-02 08:42:02 PM  
1 vote:

Heliovdrake: Boo_Guy: Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

What would them putting a picture up have to do with anything?  She's the one that decided to put herself out there,  talking about wanting to model and enter beauty pageants,  so why wouldn't her looks be up for debate?

If the people calling her ugly here were also modeling and entering such pageants then I could see some merit to it,  but they likely aren't so asking them to post pictures to be able to comment on her looks really doesn't have any point to it that I can see.

Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged.  It's just a question.

Its less to do about her being trans and more about seeing if people mocking a stranger on the internet are willing to risk being mocked themselves...


You're not smart enough to get it, are you? This isn't some random trans person minding their own business. This is someone who needs to be defined by their "beauty".
2014-08-02 08:29:48 PM  
1 vote:

DrPainMD: Kindly point out any post here with hate in it.


Well, you can easily Control-F "DrPainMD", although I think that's less "hate", and more total ignorance and intentional trolling.

What are you this week? Masters in IT by watching a british comedy guy, or Fake Doctor guy, by the way?
2014-08-02 08:26:43 PM  
1 vote:
I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.
2014-08-02 08:23:12 PM  
1 vote:

dopekitty74: Prophet of Loss: theflatline: I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.

They just want men to see and desire them as we do women. Sadly aside from a small minority, men will never seen them as such.

Strangely enough though, straight men are the most frequent consumers of transformer porn.


Is that the same kind of straight as the men who go looking for sexy time in male washrooms like Mr. Larry "Wide Stance" Craig?

I think their spots on the kinsey scale might be a little different than other straight men that don't like traps or playing footsies in the bathroom.
2014-08-02 08:16:23 PM  
1 vote:

jehovahs witness protection: So, now it's heroic to be a friggin weirdo?


It's always been heroic Honey
btw, bless your heart
2014-08-02 08:08:40 PM  
1 vote:

Nightie don't call me Wig: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=fark.com

This thread is prime example of why fark.com doesn't matter anymore.  It's a ghost town here, and the only people left are loud, small-minded bigots who must view the world through a straw.  Seriously, this place is a cesspool.

Luckily large parts of the world are becoming more and more accepting of people who are different than them, like those scary vegetarians, homosexuals, and democrats.  Jesus Christ.


OK, who let Tumblr in?

dopekitty74: Prophet of Loss: theflatline: I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.

They just want men to see and desire them as we do women. Sadly aside from a small minority, men will never seen them as such.

Strangely enough though, straight men are the most frequent consumers of transformer porn.


Springer/Arcee is pretty hot yo.
2014-08-02 08:07:59 PM  
1 vote:
I'm a bit shocked that this hasn't been posted yet :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_Bxqp2tQU
(was on prime time TV, but might be slightly NSFW)
2014-08-02 08:06:13 PM  
1 vote:

taurusowner: Sexual desire stems from the genetic predisposition to procreate.


Nah, don't think so.  Sexual desire comes from a genetic predisposition to orgasm. Even animals masturbate and, yes, occasionally bang members of the same sex.  If it were all about procreation, I'm sure Catholics would be a lot happier, but that's not how the world works.
2014-08-02 08:05:56 PM  
1 vote:
It's great that people are more less free to identify with whichever gender they want, but why change the entire way you look to conform to what society deems attractive? Seems counterintuitive to the feminist movement. Be happy with who you are and want to be, but don't let that standard be set by magazines, movies and other media.
2014-08-02 08:04:44 PM  
1 vote:
Wrote a song about it...goes somethin' like this:

upload.wikimedia.org
2014-08-02 08:03:51 PM  
1 vote:

DrPainMD: Dude's a dude, no matter what he thinks or wants. Miss World is for chicks.


There's always the pageant for post-op transformers: Miss Mypenis.

/*ducks*
2014-08-02 08:03:08 PM  
1 vote:
2014-08-02 08:02:14 PM  
1 vote:

Boo_Guy: skinink: Trangenders even face discrimination/abuse from within the GLBT group. With that being said, trying to make things better for Transsexuals through beauty pageants is silly. Beauty pageants degrade women as they are by making them into sex symbols.

And who are you to decide whether it's degrading or not? They either choose to enter or they don't.

Maybe some women LIKE being sex symbols.


No no. A SJW has spoken. Zhe know's what's best for everyone.
2014-08-02 07:59:52 PM  
1 vote:
Gaaaah! That dude is ugly even for a dude.
2014-08-02 07:57:17 PM  
1 vote:
Wow.  A lot of people are unfamilar with the FARK meme where if you see "smoking hot" in the headline, the person is the exact opposite.

Wait until you guys find out that the answer to all multiple choice questions is C!
2014-08-02 07:56:55 PM  
1 vote:

baconbeard: This is like the antithesis of a crappy Aerosmith song.

/you know, as opposed to a "good" Aerosmith song.


"Don't wanna close my eyes
Don't wanna fall asleep
Cause you're not a misses, baby
And I don't want to feel your thiiing."
2014-08-02 07:56:29 PM  
1 vote:

Pointy Tail of Satan: I don't understand how this works. If he/she is attracted to men, but acts like a woman, would the friend be gay or straight? My biological algebra is dividing by zero here


She's hetero.
2014-08-02 07:56:15 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: It's nice to see the standard two minute trans* hate on FARK for the day.

It's even the same reliable posters. I don't like change!


Kindly point out any post here with hate in it.
2014-08-02 07:55:55 PM  
1 vote:
You are not a female, stop plying dress up and get back to reality. No fake females we want real poontang not surgical pockets. The true gelt only.
2014-08-02 07:54:17 PM  
1 vote:

Pointy Tail of Satan: I don't understand how this works. If he/she is attracted to men, but acts like a woman, would the friend be gay or straight? My biological algebra is dividing by zero here


The friend would be gay. The dude's a dude.
2014-08-02 07:52:49 PM  
1 vote:

skinink: Trangenders even face discrimination/abuse from within the GLBT group. With that being said, trying to make things better for Transsexuals through beauty pageants is silly. Beauty pageants degrade women as they are by making them into sex symbols.


That dude has nothing to worry about. He'll never be a sex symbol.
2014-08-02 07:52:38 PM  
1 vote:
There's a LOT of people in here who are unfamiliar with the "smokin' hot" Fark tradition.
2014-08-02 07:50:35 PM  
1 vote:
Dude's a dude, no matter what he thinks or wants. Miss World is for chicks.
2014-08-02 07:50:03 PM  
1 vote:
Not even by Daily Mail standards Sub-douche.
2014-08-02 07:49:21 PM  
1 vote:

baconbeard: hardinparamedic: It's nice to see the standard two minute trans* hate on FARK for the day.

It's even the same reliable posters. I don't like change!

Why do you even come here?


Because someone's wrong on the internet?

Either that or boredom. Welcometofark.jpeg
2014-08-02 07:48:57 PM  
1 vote:
I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.
2014-08-02 07:47:54 PM  
1 vote:

Livingroom: You and I have very VERY different ideas of smokin' hot,
Subby.


Welcometofark.jpg
2014-08-02 07:47:45 PM  
1 vote:
Subby, please report to your eye doctor immediately to verify that you HAVE eyes.

Butterface doesn't even being to describe that thing. I've seen some beautiful TSes. That's not one of them.
2014-08-02 07:46:46 PM  
1 vote:

CruJones: Ian Zeiring would chainsaw that


Horsenado: Rise of the Horsening
2014-08-02 07:46:42 PM  
1 vote:
That's a man.
2014-08-02 07:46:22 PM  
1 vote:
Nope.  Still looks like a boy.
2014-08-02 07:42:02 PM  
1 vote:
Here's British pretty again.
2014-08-02 07:41:39 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe she's a before model.
2014-08-02 07:41:07 PM  
1 vote:
You know who else set their sights on something subby?

upload.wikimedia.org
2014-08-02 07:33:29 PM  
1 vote:
I'm really happy that she's confident and secure and finally become what she always knew she was. But beauty queen? Bless her heart...
2014-08-02 07:10:17 PM  
1 vote:
s2.quickmeme.com
2014-08-02 06:55:21 PM  
1 vote:
Good luck to her. And hopefully she's happy now.
2014-08-02 06:52:23 PM  
1 vote:
Model?  She has the weatherbeaten face of a Hooters waitress.
2014-08-02 05:40:05 PM  
1 vote:
imageshack.com
2014-08-02 05:26:21 PM  
1 vote:
Good for her. Him? However

www.blinkydog.com
 
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