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2014-08-03 11:41:11 AM  

CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.


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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.
 
2014-08-03 11:44:45 AM  

baconbeard: Theaetetus: Sure, if in other words, we describe your "insult" as calling him a battered spouse advocate.

Saying that someone who mocks "Social Justice Warriors" is opposed to justice is like saying that someone opposed to "National Socialists" is opposed to socialism. "Justice" is the last thing SJW's are interested in. "Vengeance" would be more appropriate.

I can't imagine how vengeance would come into play there - you don't know him, do you? Accordingly, how can he be acting in a vengeful way towards you that causes you to accuse him of...
... this is the root problem - what exactly are you accusing him of? 'Cause currently, your "insult" ranks right up there with calling someone an abolitionist or a civil rights advocate or, yes, a battered spouse advocate. There's definitely groups of people who consider those insults... but why you want to voluntarily associate yourself with them, I don't know.

You're an intelligent person. Don't embarrass yourself by feigning ignorance about a classic example of a  loaded question. It has nothing to do with being a "battered spouse advocate" and you fully know it.

My use (and derision of) the term "Social Justice Warrior" has already been explained (by someone else) by means of a link. Here it is again.

In my opinion, "Social Justice Warriors", view members of the "oppressed" classes as beyond reproach, and any criticism of them (no matter how reasonable it may be) is considered a "hate crime" (or at least something "unacceptable"). I don't get a sense that "justice" is the end goal here; it seems more like vindictive retribution for past grievances.


No one gives a "shiat" about your "opinion", "dickwad".
 
2014-08-03 11:51:40 AM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.

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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.


From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do. When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back. I bet you think that they never revert back do you? How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences? Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves. Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.
 
2014-08-03 11:52:38 AM  
barely
 
2014-08-03 11:57:40 AM  

CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.

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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.

From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do. When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back. I bet you think that they never revert back do you? How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences? Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves. Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.

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Wow you are this dumb or trolling, oh well this thread has been a great way to pad my ignore list. Bye bye,
 
2014-08-03 12:00:46 PM  

Heliovdrake: CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.

[asset-9.soup.io image 400x389]

Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.

From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do. When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back. I bet you think that they never revert back do you? How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences? Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves. Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.
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Wow you are this dumb or trolling, oh well this thread has been a great way to pad my ignore list. Bye bye,


Shows what a child you are. "I can't dispute what you say so I am going to put my fingers in my ears and scream I can't hear you, I can't hear you.
 
2014-08-03 12:10:43 PM  

steerforth: baconbeard: Theaetetus: Sure, if in other words, we describe your "insult" as calling him a battered spouse advocate.

Saying that someone who mocks "Social Justice Warriors" is opposed to justice is like saying that someone opposed to "National Socialists" is opposed to socialism. "Justice" is the last thing SJW's are interested in. "Vengeance" would be more appropriate.

I can't imagine how vengeance would come into play there - you don't know him, do you? Accordingly, how can he be acting in a vengeful way towards you that causes you to accuse him of...
... this is the root problem - what exactly are you accusing him of? 'Cause currently, your "insult" ranks right up there with calling someone an abolitionist or a civil rights advocate or, yes, a battered spouse advocate. There's definitely groups of people who consider those insults... but why you want to voluntarily associate yourself with them, I don't know.

You're an intelligent person. Don't embarrass yourself by feigning ignorance about a classic example of a  loaded question. It has nothing to do with being a "battered spouse advocate" and you fully know it.

My use (and derision of) the term "Social Justice Warrior" has already been explained (by someone else) by means of a link. Here it is again.

In my opinion, "Social Justice Warriors", view members of the "oppressed" classes as beyond reproach, and any criticism of them (no matter how reasonable it may be) is considered a "hate crime" (or at least something "unacceptable"). I don't get a sense that "justice" is the end goal here; it seems more like vindictive retribution for past grievances.

No one gives a "shiat" about your "opinion", "dickwad".


Your salient and well thought out rebuttal has caused me to go off and reexamine my life in a vain attempt to determine where it all went so horribly wrong.
 
2014-08-03 12:12:27 PM  

CMYK and PMS: From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do.


Ouch. I guess I struck a nerve with you, huh, cupcake? Your argument was not intelligent by any measure of the word. You deserved to be mocked for it.

CMYK and PMS: When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back.


Well, the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers don't seem to think so. Of course, a three second google search would have told you how wrong you were.

You're not even trying.

CMYK and PMS: I bet you think that they never revert back do you?


Oh, I bet you're dripping with evidence for that claim, right? Maybe you should actually read what the research says on the matter: Namely that people who abandon SRS typically do so because of external pressures from "understanding" people like you

CMYK and PMS: How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences?


Very well,actually.

CMYK and PMS: Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves


Because a child develops the concept of gender identity by the age of 3.

CMYK and PMS: Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.


Wow. You called me a pedophile.

You in no way sound mentally unbalanced. No way at all.

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2014-08-03 12:13:51 PM  

Heliovdrake: Wow you are this dumb or trolling, oh well this thread has been a great way to pad my ignore list. Bye bye,


How much you want to bet he's been jerking it to trans* porn on Xtube this entire time?
 
2014-08-03 12:28:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do.

Ouch. I guess I struck a nerve with you, huh, cupcake? Your argument was not intelligent by any measure of the word. You deserved to be mocked for it.


Oh so clever

CMYK and PMS: When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back.

Well, the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers don't seem to think so. Of course, a three second google search would have told you how wrong you were.


Except that until 20 years ago they all said the opposite. The only reason they changed was due to public pressure, there was no new evidence to support the change

You're not even trying.

CMYK and PMS: I bet you think that they never revert back do you?

Oh, I bet you're dripping with evidence for that claim, right? Maybe you should actually read what the research says on the matter: Namely that people who abandon SRS typically do so because of external pressures from "understanding" people like you


No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-02-24-transgender-pe nn er_N.htm

From the article:
Cases such as Penner and Cluse raise questions about the causes of transgenderism. Paul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path.

You're not even trying

CMYK and PMS: How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences?

Very well,actually.


CMYK and PMS: Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves

Because a child develops the concept of gender identity by the age of 3.


You might try reading that article for comprehension. It doesn't say what you think.

CMYK and PMS: Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.

Wow. You called me a pedophile.


How in the name of FSM did you arrive at this?

You in no way sound mentally unbalanced. No way at all.

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I am not going to leave you with a stupid meme, what with me being an adult and all
 
2014-08-03 12:35:00 PM  
DSM IV


http://allpsych.com/disorders/sexual/genderidentity.html


Symptoms
A strong and persistent identification with the opposite gender. There is a sense of discomfort in their own gender and may feel they were 'born the wrong sex.' This has been confused with cross-dressing or Transvestic Fetishism, but all are distinct diagnoses.

Treatment
Other disorders may be present with this one, including depression, anxiety, relationship difficulties, and personality disorders, and homosexuality is present in a majority of the cases. Treatment is likely to be long-term with small gains made on underlying issues as treatment progresses.
 
2014-08-03 12:37:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: (thorough trouncing of a bigot's ramblings)


web.mit.edu

But seriously, you can't argue with the ignorant. Studies of the issues around gender identity aren't new, however it's much like people who still believe lead paint is perfectly safe, or that smoking plays no role in lung cancer or other health problems. While they can DENY it, they can't refute it. For whatever reason, they flatly refuse to accept what's been more than abundantly proven. They believe it's either "X" or "Y" and even believe that's the way all of the animal kingdom functions, that there's no genetic alternative in humans. It's like dealing with moon landing deniers.

Now, I could link to the numerous studies regarding various species of animals and how gender is assigned / created / etc, but frankly I hope that anyone curious about gender identification would have the ability to look up scientific data. Even the Wiki pages on the subject are quite accurate.
 
2014-08-03 12:41:47 PM  

unchellmatt: hardinparamedic: (thorough trouncing of a bigot's ramblings)

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But seriously, you can't argue with the ignorant. Studies of the issues around gender identity aren't new, however it's much like people who still believe lead paint is perfectly safe, or that smoking plays no role in lung cancer or other health problems. While they can DENY it, they can't refute it. For whatever reason, they flatly refuse to accept what's been more than abundantly proven. They believe it's either "X" or "Y" and even believe that's the way all of the animal kingdom functions, that there's no genetic alternative in humans. It's like dealing with moon landing deniers.

Now, I could link to the numerous studies regarding various species of animals and how gender is assigned / created / etc, but frankly I hope that anyone curious about gender identification would have the ability to look up scientific data. Even the Wiki pages on the subject are quite accurate.


Truer words have never been spoken.

PS Your owned picture was really cool, I'll bet your whole class thinks it is funny
 
2014-08-03 12:49:50 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Except that until 20 years ago they all said the opposite. The only reason they changed was due to public pressure, there was no new evidence to support the change


The classification of transgenderism/Gender Identity dysphoria as a mental disorder was never about science, but rather the use of psychiatric definitions to label and discriminate against socially "different" persons. Ironically, your claim that it is linked to homosexuality a few sentences down is also involving a group that the DSM-I and II was used to discriminate against in a non-scientific, dogmatic fashion.

And again, every leading body in the medical and psychiatric community disagrees with your position, stating that Gender Identity Dysphoria is a medical problem, not mental disorder, and should be treated as such. When you're the lone voice of disagreement, the overwhelming chance is that it is not them who is wrong, it's  you.

You're entitled to personally believe what you want. However, when you go spouting your "mouth" off in public, don't expect other people not to call you an idiot and smack you down for it.

CMYK and PMS: You might try reading that article for comprehension. It doesn't say what you think.


Yeah, it actually does. Gender identity and gender concepts begin to cement by age two to three of life, preceeded by peri-natal and post-natal factors such as brain development and physiological modeling in uterus.

Of course, I'm sure the farker  CMYK and PMS knows more about pediatric developmental psychology than the APA and the American Academy of Pediatrics. Maybe you've written textbooks.

CMYK and PMS: No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.


Scientific and professional consensus would suggest otherwise. Not the least because sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.

A gay or bisexual man engaging in crossdressing is not the same as someone who is transgendered. Sorry.

The DSM-IV-TR and DSM-V both differentiate between that in the diagnostic caveats section for Gender Identity Dysphoria: Namely that the psychiatrist making the diagnosis must eliminate distress over sexual orientation or the presence of a paraphilia as the contributing cause before making the diagnosis.

CMYK and PMS: Cases such as Penner and Cluse raise questions about the causes of transgenderism. Paul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, is a leading proponent of the notion that the cause is not biological, that transgender people have chosen this path.


Show me research that proves his position - which is contrary to the main research pursuit of the root of transgendered individuals, and I'll be happy to consider it. Otherwise, I'm sure you can find one or two people who can disagree with the consensus on everything from the 9/11 building collapse to climate change.

Appeals to authority are not meaningful when they are the opinion of one person in a non-scientific or non-professional publication.

CMYK and PMS: How in the name of FSM did you arrive at this?


Maybe you shouldn't infer your opponent likes lone children in the bathroom if you don't want to be seen in that light.

CMYK and PMS: I am not going to leave you with a stupid meme, what with me being an adult and all


No. You're going to come back and whine more about how people who know more than you on a topic won't let you spout off your bigotry unchecked, and how it's a conspiracy that leading medical bodies don't view people who are transgendered as fetish-driven perverts.
 
2014-08-03 12:53:54 PM  

CMYK and PMS: DSM IV Original edition whargarbl.


Hey, it's always nice when you can go back and cherry pick while ignoring three revisions of the DSM-IV prior to the release of the DSM-V.

I bet you can go back to the DSM-I and show me how homosexuality is a mental health disorder, too.

DSM-V Release Edition Criteria for Gender Identity Dysphoria

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing "disorder" with "dysphoria" in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology,
it also removes the connotation that the patient is "disordered."
 
2014-08-03 01:01:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: DSM IV Original edition whargarbl.

Hey, it's always nice when you can go back and cherry pick while ignoring three revisions of the DSM-IV prior to the release of the DSM-V.

I bet you can go back to the DSM-I and show me how homosexuality is a mental health disorder, too.

DSM-V Release Edition Criteria for Gender Identity Dysphoria

Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing "disorder" with "dysphoria" in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology,
it also removes the connotation that the patient is "disordered."


It is not cherry picking. It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV. Psychology changes with public perception. Do you think this is the only time in history when these things were acceptable?
 
2014-08-03 01:06:26 PM  

CMYK and PMS: It is not cherry picking. It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV. Psychology changes with public perception. Do you think this is the only time in history when these things were acceptable?


Ladies and gentlemen: Obtuse, wilful ignorance. See, textbook examples DO happen in real life.

What you say is only true if you ignore EVERYTHING about the practice and history of medicine and psychiatry/psychology. Not only that, but inject a large and unhealthy dose of revisionist history and social dogma into it.

You're wrong about everything you've posted in this thread. I know it is beyond your ability to admit it, but you are spectacularly wrong about it.

And as a bonus, you're well on your way to being another highly ignored troll on FARK. Bravo, Sir.
 
2014-08-03 01:11:48 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: Except that until 20 years ago they all said the opposite. The only reason they changed was due to public pressure, there was no new evidence to support the change

The classification of transgenderism/Gender Identity dysphoria as a mental disorder was never about science, but rather the use of psychiatric definitions to label and discriminate against socially "different" persons. Ironically, your claim that it is linked to homosexuality a few sentences down is also involving a group that the DSM-I and II was used to discriminate against in a non-scientific, dogmatic fashion.


So we agree then Psychologist don't know what they are doing and never have

And again, every leading body in the medical and psychiatric community disagrees with your position, stating that Gender Identity Dysphoria is a medical problem, not mental disorder, and should be treated as such. When you're the lone voice of disagreement, the overwhelming chance is that it is not them who is wrong, it's  you.


What aboutPaul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore listed above?

You're entitled to personally believe what you want. However, when you go spouting your "mouth" off in public, don't expect other people not to call you an idiot and smack you down for it.

You have smacked nothing but your monkey. Please stop with the juvenile "I WON, I WON" crap, It makes you look bad

CMYK and PMS: You might try reading that article for comprehension. It doesn't say what you think.

Yeah, it actually does. Gender identity and gender concepts begin to cement by age two to three of life, preceeded by peri-natal and post-natal factors such as brain development and physiological modeling in uterus.


No it doesn't. It just says that is when they can see there is a difference. Who usually reads things to you on Sunday?

From the article:
2-3 years
At this age, young children are developing "gender identity." This means that they begin to label themselves and others as male or female. They can use words to label friends, family, and themselves as a boy or a girl.

3-4 years
Children at this age begin to use "gender typing." They like putting things in


Of course, I'm sure the farker  CMYK and PMS knows more about pediatric developmental psychology than the APA and the American Academy of Pediatrics. Maybe you've written textbooks.

Logical fallacy

CMYK and PMS: No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.

Scientific and professional consensus would suggest otherwise. Not the least because sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.


No it doesn't. See I can do it too.

A gay or bisexual man engaging in crossdressing is not the same as someone who is transgendered. Sorry.

Where did you get this from?  Who said it was?

The DSM-IV-TR and DS ...
 
2014-08-03 01:14:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: It is not cherry picking. It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV. Psychology changes with public perception. Do you think this is the only time in history when these things were acceptable?

Ladies and gentlemen: Obtuse, wilful ignorance. See, textbook examples DO happen in real life.

What you say is only true if you ignore EVERYTHING about the practice and history of medicine and psychiatry/psychology. Not only that, but inject a large and unhealthy dose of revisionist history and social dogma into it.

You're wrong about everything you've posted in this thread. I know it is beyond your ability to admit it, but you are spectacularly wrong about it.

And as a bonus, you're well on your way to being another highly ignored troll on FARK. Bravo, Sir.


"C'mon guys help me try and defeat him, C'mon guys, please?" You can stick your fingers in your ears too. Won't hurt me.
 
2014-08-03 01:27:44 PM  

CMYK and PMS: So we agree then Psychologist don't know what they are doing and never have


No. We agree you're being intentionally obtuse and pedantic on the matter, and that you are  not a reliable source on anything psychiatric or psychological in nature in the first place.

Basically put: Your opinion means nothing. Show facts.

CMYK and PMS: What aboutPaul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore listed above?


I didn't know one person quoted in USA today (A non-scientific, non-professional, traditionally socially conservative newspaper) was a leading medical body responsible for research and policy decisions in the United States. It's almost as if you're making a meaningless appeal to authority with nothing to back up your statement.

Grasp at those straws.

CMYK and PMS: You have smacked nothing but your monkey. Please stop with the juvenile "I WON, I WON" crap, It makes you look bad


As opposed to being blatantly, unabashedly trolling? Yeah, I think I'll ignore advice from you about "looking bad", when every one of your posts on this thread have been about reinforcing social dogmas which have no basis in fact or science.

CMYK and PMS: 2-3 years
At this age, young children are developing "gender identity." This means that they begin to label themselves and others as male or female. They can use words to label friends, family, and themselves as a boy or a girl.

3-4 years
Children at this age begin to use "gender typing." They like putting things in


Hey, weren't you the guy who said he wasn't going to cherry pick and/or quote mine?

Look at what you're doing. You might want to go back and re-read those links. For comprehension.

In the diagnosis of gender identity disorder of childhood, a referral for mental health assessment is made to address cross-gender behaviors. Most such children wear clothes of the opposite sex, play with toys typically preferred by the opposite sex, and have difficulty in same-sex peer interaction. Age of onset usually is in children younger than 5 years. Psychologic testing can be useful but is not used alone to make a diagnosis for children. (Source:http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview#aw2aab6 b5 )

CMYK and PMS: Logical fallacy


And now we get to introduce you to the "Fallacist's Fallacy"

CMYK and PMS: No it doesn't. See I can do it too.


Only if you ignore evidence otherwise. :) You seem to be good at it.

CMYK and PMS: Where did you get this from?  Who said it was?


Actually, the APA and NASW. The DSM-IV-TR and DSM-V were revised to reflect the best available scientific and professional evidence. Of course, since you seem to take that as "THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING LOLZ", that point is meaningless.
 
2014-08-03 01:29:05 PM  

CMYK and PMS: You can stick your fingers in your ears too. Won't hurt me.


Clearly. You've been doing it this entire time. I have a feeling you live that way.
 
2014-08-03 01:31:33 PM  
It seems like Fark is getting a little better about the transgendered. Only one idiot put up a still from that moronic episode of South Park, so that's some progress.
 
2014-08-03 01:39:23 PM  

CMYK and PMS: It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV.


Are you seriously arguing that because theories evolve at the leading edge of a science, all scientific conclusions are therefore invalid?  What the hell is wrong with you?

CMYK and PMS: quoting Harry Potter


That's not a Harry Potter quote, you knucklehead.
 
2014-08-03 01:41:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: So we agree then Psychologist don't know what they are doing and never have

No. We agree you're being intentionally obtuse and pedantic on the matter, and that you are  not a reliable source on anything psychiatric or psychological in nature in the first place.

Basically put: Your opinion means nothing. Show facts.


I have

CMYK and PMS: What aboutPaul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore listed above?

I didn't know one person quoted in USA today (A non-scientific, non-professional, traditionally socially conservative newspaper) was a leading medical body responsible for research and policy decisions in the United States. It's almost as if you're making a meaningless appeal to authority with nothing to back up your statement.


So only people you like count?

Grasp at those straws.

CMYK and PMS: You have smacked nothing but your monkey. Please stop with the juvenile "I WON, I WON" crap, It makes you look bad

As opposed to being blatantly, unabashedly trolling? Yeah, I think I'll ignore advice from you about "looking bad", when every one of your posts on this thread have been about reinforcing social dogmas which have no basis in fact or science.


Prove I'm wrong, you haven't even been close yet

CMYK and PMS: 2-3 years
At this age, young children are developing "gender identity." This means that they begin to label themselves and others as male or female. They can use words to label friends, family, and themselves as a boy or a girl.

3-4 years
Children at this age begin to use "gender typing." They like putting things in

Hey, weren't you the guy who said he wasn't going to cherry pick and/or quote mine?

Look at what you're doing. You might want to go back and re-read those links. For comprehension.


This is not cherry picking. YOU said by age three so I showed age 3 to you. How do you even get the computer turned on?


Actually, the APA and NASW. The DSM-IV-TR and DSM-V were revised to reflect the best available scientific and professional evidence. Of course, since you seem to take that as "THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING LOLZ", that point is meaningless.

There has been no scientific evidence for the change only public opinion.
 
2014-08-03 01:42:56 PM  

Z-clipped: CMYK and PMS: It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV.

Are you seriously arguing that because theories evolve at the leading edge of a science, all scientific conclusions are therefore invalid?  What the hell is wrong with you?

CMYK and PMS: quoting Harry Potter

That's not a Harry Potter quote, you knucklehead.


See thats the point at which he is either a total farking moron, or a troll.

Neither of which is worth my time, or really yours for that matter.
 
2014-08-03 01:43:04 PM  

Z-clipped: CMYK and PMS: It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV.

Are you seriously arguing that because theories evolve at the leading edge of a science, all scientific conclusions are therefore invalid?  What the hell is wrong with you?

CMYK and PMS: quoting Harry Potter

That's not a Harry Potter quote, you knucklehead.


Are you seriously saying that science has shown any reason for the change?

Go back and look knuckle head it was a Harry Potter meme.
 
2014-08-03 01:44:25 PM  

Heliovdrake: Z-clipped: CMYK and PMS: It is showing you that Psychology changes and there is no reason to believe that the DSM V is any more accurate then the DSM IV.

Are you seriously arguing that because theories evolve at the leading edge of a science, all scientific conclusions are therefore invalid?  What the hell is wrong with you?

CMYK and PMS: quoting Harry Potter

That's not a Harry Potter quote, you knucklehead.

See thats the point at which he is either a total farking moron, or a troll.

Neither of which is worth my time, or really yours for that matter.


Another Idiot heard from GO BACK AND LOOK  IT WAS A PICTURE OF HARRY POTTER SAYING SOMETHING
 
2014-08-03 02:11:19 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Another Idiot heard from GO BACK AND LOOK IT WAS A PICTURE OF HARRY POTTER SAYING SOMETHING


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It's a picture of Rush sayings something, ergo "Obama is an excellent President, I wish I could vote for him again" is a Rush Limbaugh quote.   (eye roll)
 
2014-08-03 02:13:35 PM  

Heliovdrake: See thats the point at which he is either a total farking moron, or a troll.

Neither of which is worth my time, or really yours for that matter.


Oh, I agree.  He's far too ignorant on this topic to have a productive discussion with, (hardinparamedic's valiant efforts notwithstanding).  I just came to mock him for his general lack of cogency.  I don't personally think he's trolling.  His stupidity stretches too broadly across his posts to be intentional.

CMYK and PMS: it was a Harry Potter meme


"Reductio ad Absurdum" is not a Harry Potter quote.  It's a Latin expression that describes the mistakes you're making in your argument.  I'm sure that hardinparamedic onlyused the Harry Potter picture in the hopes that it might catch the attention of your 14-year-old intellect long enough for you to read it.  The fact that the Latin went right the fark over your head sadly confirms that he was giving you too much credit.  You should really put the keyboard down, and not post any more opinions on the internet for the next few years.

Maybe the next 20 would be a safer bet.
 
2014-08-03 02:19:08 PM  

CMYK and PMS: So only people you like count?


Well, now we can see you've gone completely overboard and are swimming to China.

I never made an appeal based on my personal training or education. I've backed every one of my statements up with evidence.

Yes. The Position Statements of the AMA, APA, NASW, AAP, and others are going to hold more weight than the opinion of a single person. And yes, they back their positions with evidence.

The best you've managed to come up with is a USA today article by a single person expressing his personal belief against the mainstream consensus of researchers. You're the psychiatric/sexological equivalent of the Heartland foundation dredging up some scientist who will say Climate change doesn't exist.

Only you're earning far less money, and doing it far less publicly.

CMYK and PMS: Prove I'm wrong, you haven't even been close yet


Other people seem to disagree. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to demonstrate how wrong you are, and let you demonstrate your own arrogance and personal narcissism in justifying your bigotry.

CMYK and PMS: This is not cherry picking. YOU said by age three so I showed age 3 to you. How do you even get the computer turned on?


Since you're outright ignoring my links, I'm not even going to bother.
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2014-08-03 02:21:41 PM  

Z-clipped: Heliovdrake: See thats the point at which he is either a total farking moron, or a troll.

Neither of which is worth my time, or really yours for that matter.

Oh, I agree.  He's far too ignorant on this topic to have a productive discussion with, (hardinparamedic's valiant efforts notwithstanding).  I just came to mock him for his general lack of cogency.  I don't personally think he's trolling.  His stupidity stretches too broadly across his posts to be intentional.

CMYK and PMS: it was a Harry Potter meme

"Reductio ad Absurdum" is not a Harry Potter quote.  It's a Latin expression that describes the mistakes you're making in your argument.  I'm sure that hardinparamedic onlyused the Harry Potter picture in the hopes that it might catch the attention of your 14-year-old intellect long enough for you to read it.  The fact that the Latin went right the fark over your head sadly confirms that he was giving you too much credit.  You should really put the keyboard down, and not post any more opinions on the internet for the next few years.

Maybe the next 20 would be a safer bet.


I stand corrected about the quote. Why is it posted on a picture of Harry Potter? as a rule I don't watch children's movies so I assumed he used it. A perfectly sound assumption and it certainly doesn't fit what I had said. As for my assertion that transgender people are mentally ill, I stand behind it as did every one else until about 20 years ago. If you want to go with the hive mind go in peace as long as you understand there is no science behind it.
 
2014-08-03 02:28:04 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: So only people you like count?

Well, now we can see you've gone completely overboard and are swimming to China.

I never made an appeal based on my personal training or education. I've backed every one of my statements up with evidence.

Yes. The Position Statements of the AMA, APA, NASW, AAP, and others are going to hold more weight than the opinion of a single person. And yes, they back their positions with evidence.

The best you've managed to come up with is a USA today article by a single person expressing his personal belief against the mainstream consensus of researchers. You're the psychiatric/sexological equivalent of the Heartland foundation dredging up some scientist who will say Climate change doesn't exist.

Only you're earning far less money, and doing it far less publicly.

CMYK and PMS: Prove I'm wrong, you haven't even been close yet

Other people seem to disagree. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to demonstrate how wrong you are, and let you demonstrate your own arrogance and personal narcissism in justifying your bigotry.

CMYK and PMS: This is not cherry picking. YOU said by age three so I showed age 3 to you. How do you even get the computer turned on?

Since you're outright ignoring my links, I'm not even going to bother.
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That is not from the same article and as far as proving me wrong when will you start? The head of Psychology at Johns Hopkins University is the equivalent of the heartland foundation? I'm done here the stupidity is just too deep
 
2014-08-03 02:28:26 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Are you seriously saying that science has shown any reason for the change?


A Google Scholar search for "transgender" between 1994 (DSM IV published) and 2013 (DSM V published) yields about 30,000 results.  Get your head out of your ass.
 
2014-08-03 02:35:53 PM  
If she looked like a woman, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt.  But...subby U R Gay!  I hope you already knew????
She's definitely not hot but as cold as her poor missing hot dog.
 
2014-08-03 02:36:50 PM  

CMYK and PMS: I stand behind it as did every one else until about 20 years ago.


Hey, you know what else you weren't doing 20 years ago?  Posting your ignorant opinions on the World Wide Web.  Why don't you stop using this new and radical form of communication, and go back to printing open letters in the newspaper like a good curmudgeon.
 
2014-08-03 02:40:46 PM  

CMYK and PMS: I stand corrected about the quote.


Good.  Now look up the Latin, and you can also stand corrected on the logical flaw in your argument.
 
2014-08-03 03:37:32 PM  

CMYK and PMS: That is not from the same article and as far as proving me wrong when will you start?


It was linked in the same post you said didn't say that. You were caught red handed replying with insults when you didn't even read the links.

Welcome to FARK.

CMYK and PMS: The head of Psychology at Johns Hopkins University is the equivalent of the heartland foundation? I'm done here the stupidity is just too deep


No. The way you're using him makes  YOU the equivalent of the Heartland Foundation. He's entitled to his  personal opinionon research, but that is just that. His personal opinion. It by no means represents the research of the entire psychiatric community, just as Johns Hopkins University is not the end all, be all on scientific research. You're making a meaningless appeal to authority, and acting as if because some random person said it with no scientific backing on the matter, it's the end all, be all of the issue.

The only person acting mind-numbingly, pants on head stupid here is you.

This past 100 posts of this thread has been one gigantic temper tantrum you've thrown trying to justify bigotry.
 
2014-08-03 04:25:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: That is not from the same article and as far as proving me wrong when will you start?

It was linked in the same post you said didn't say that. You were caught red handed replying with insults when you didn't even read the links.

Welcome to FARK.

CMYK and PMS: The head of Psychology at Johns Hopkins University is the equivalent of the heartland foundation? I'm done here the stupidity is just too deep

No. The way you're using him makes  YOU the equivalent of the Heartland Foundation. He's entitled to his  personal opinionon research, but that is just that. His personal opinion. It by no means represents the research of the entire psychiatric community, just as Johns Hopkins University is not the end all, be all on scientific research. You're making a meaningless appeal to authority, and acting as if because some random person said it with no scientific backing on the matter, it's the end all, be all of the issue.

The only person acting mind-numbingly, pants on head stupid here is you.

This past 100 posts of this thread has been one gigantic temper tantrum you've thrown trying to justify bigotry.


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2014-08-03 04:27:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: And again, every leading body in the medical and psychiatric community disagrees with your position,


 In the tizzy and froth you may have missed that link points to a policy statement from 'National Association of Social Workers (NASW) National Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Issues (NCLGBTI) ' and not anything resembling medical research.
 
2014-08-03 05:25:03 PM  
In order for me to sleep well tonight I need to apologize to those I called idiots regarding The Harry Potter meme. I was the idiot there. When I first saw it i just saw words on a meme and moved on as I almost always do. They have no place in any real discussion so I ignore them. Had I read it I would have understood the phrase. I am sorry for calling you idiots over this.
 
2014-08-03 05:29:47 PM  

neenerist: In the tizzy and froth you may have missed that link points to a policy statement from 'National Association of Social Workers (NASW) National Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Issues (NCLGBTI) ' and not anything resembling medical research.


Not really. Because the position statement of the National Association of Social Workers includes cited research they base their position statement upon.

Remind me, however, how this proves anything that frothing bigot claimed?
 
2014-08-03 05:31:24 PM  

CMYK and PMS: In order for me to sleep well tonight


Brave Sir Robin ran away!

Come back when you understand the difference between scientific research and evidence-based position statements, and opinion-editorial articles in USA Today.

I'll be here. :)
 
2014-08-03 05:44:15 PM  

hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: In order for me to sleep well tonight

Brave Sir Robin ran away!

Come back when you understand the difference between scientific research and evidence-based position statements, and opinion-editorial articles in USA Today.

I'll be here. :)


Come back when you understand the difference between Scientific research and public opinion.
 
2014-08-03 06:37:01 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Come back when you understand the difference between Scientific research and public opinion.


Well, I salute you. I wish I could be that dedicated to trolling after being proven entirely wrong.
 
2014-08-03 06:43:28 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Come back when you understand the difference between Scientific research and public opinion.


Wait, I just have to revisit the absurdity of this post. Mocking you for obvious trolling isn't enough.

CMYK and PMS: No the chief reason they go back is because they decide that they are homosexual instead.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-02-24-transgender-pe nn er_N.htm


This is the only citation you've provided in the last 80 posts, and you didn't even quote the article correctly - you just cherry picked a single statement in it. I've provided evidence-based statements and information from multiple, high impact sources and by health policy makers in the United States - including the body classifying mental disorders, backed by cited scientific, psychological, and sociological research.

So please. Just admit at this point you're trolling.
 
2014-08-03 06:58:42 PM  
Sheesh. An entire thread of trans debate and no RuPaul for being a trans pioneer and all around great guy and talented gal? No Courtney Act pics posted for being so gorgeous that she puts practically all straight women to shame (and didn't win Drag Race, btw, but is so pretty) I can see that it's all straight men in here, and perhaps a few that a aferd of the different.

/Glad Bianca Del Rio won it, funnay as hell
 
2014-08-03 08:42:03 PM  

baconbeard: steerforth: baconbeard: Theaetetus: Sure, if in other words, we describe your "insult" as calling him a battered spouse advocate.

Saying that someone who mocks "Social Justice Warriors" is opposed to justice is like saying that someone opposed to "National Socialists" is opposed to socialism. "Justice" is the last thing SJW's are interested in. "Vengeance" would be more appropriate.

I can't imagine how vengeance would come into play there - you don't know him, do you? Accordingly, how can he be acting in a vengeful way towards you that causes you to accuse him of...
... this is the root problem - what exactly are you accusing him of? 'Cause currently, your "insult" ranks right up there with calling someone an abolitionist or a civil rights advocate or, yes, a battered spouse advocate. There's definitely groups of people who consider those insults... but why you want to voluntarily associate yourself with them, I don't know.

You're an intelligent person. Don't embarrass yourself by feigning ignorance about a classic example of a  loaded question. It has nothing to do with being a "battered spouse advocate" and you fully know it.

My use (and derision of) the term "Social Justice Warrior" has already been explained (by someone else) by means of a link. Here it is again.

In my opinion, "Social Justice Warriors", view members of the "oppressed" classes as beyond reproach, and any criticism of them (no matter how reasonable it may be) is considered a "hate crime" (or at least something "unacceptable"). I don't get a sense that "justice" is the end goal here; it seems more like vindictive retribution for past grievances.

No one gives a "shiat" about your "opinion", "dickwad".

Your salient and well thought out rebuttal has caused me to go off and reexamine my life in a vain attempt to determine where it all went so horribly wrong.


Here, FTFY: Your "salient" and well thought out "rebuttal" has caused me to go off and reexamine my "life" in a vain attempt to determine where it all went so horribly "wrong".
 
2014-08-03 10:00:06 PM  

CMYK and PMS: hardinparamedic: CMYK and PMS: But I demand that everyone call me George Washington and that treat me exactly like they treated him. I can get the tooth operation later. Are you biased against pre-op George Washingtons or something? I bet you are a fundamentalist Christian.

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Since subtlety is not your thing, I'll come right out and just bluntly say it: You're not being edgy, ground-breaking, or intelligent by making an absurd comparison with no basis in fact. You're demonstrating you're either a wilful idiot, or a troll.

When you can demonstrate distinct biological and physiological differences, come talk to me.

Until then, you're acting like a moron.

Welcome to Fark.

From someone who thinks quoting Harry Potter is an intelligent thing to do. When you can prove that transsexuals aren't mentally ill come back. I bet you think that they never revert back do you? How does that fit in with your  distinct biological and physiological differences? Tell me how a child of 5 or 6 "Knows they are the wrong gender" when they barley can go to the bathroom by themselves. Morans like you think it is just really cool when they do.


Oh, so this is what an AOL subscriber looks like.

/hi, and welcome to Fark
//please refrain from posting for a year so
///just read the posts and with a bit of luck you'll learn how to avoid looking stupid
////thanks
 
2014-08-04 12:12:31 AM  

specialkae: No Courtney Act pics posted for being so gorgeous that she puts practically all straight women to shame



Dude, I posted six gorgeous trans girls in a row (in a row!!??) a little ways up, and neenerist pretty much won the internet with Charlie Somik-Chan, who is one of the prettiest girls I've ever seen, trans or not.

In fact, I'm posting some more pis of her right now:

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I'm sorry, but she beats the hell out of Courtney Act.
 
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