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(Daily Mail)   Smoking hot 20-year-old model who previously lived as a boy sets sights on Miss World despite death threats: "I'd love to help other confused girls and boys who are scared to be themselves. Nobody should be ashamed to be who they want to be" (w/pics)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 349
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2014-08-02 08:50:19 PM  

IamAwake: Heliovdrake: Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged. It's just a question.

Umm...he's not wanting to run for a beauty contest.  If you're doing such a thing, you are 100% unequivocally giving people permission to judge your looks


See they did enter a contest, or wanted to.... and that takes guts, given how they look.. It takes a lot of guts really regardless of gender. Are the posters here, on a much smaller venue as brave and gutsy as the person in the story?

Thats the question. People here have much less on the line.

Foxxinnia:
Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

Only attractive people are allowed to think other people are ugly?


No see my above answer and posts.

Let me be a little more clear too... Im not saying you are not allowed to judge this person. You are, thats freedom.  I was only asking if you judge them, are you willing to be judged yourself, like this person was?
 
2014-08-02 08:50:32 PM  

Theaetetus: Death threats? For participating in a beauty pageant? WTF?


Must be pagent moms lol
 
2014-08-02 08:51:52 PM  
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings "toots", but not only do you still look like a guy, you look like a ugly guy in drag, who often frequents public park restrooms to get your daily dose of nut gravy across the bow. or tonsils. Not only will you never be a "supermodel" but even a average model is a stretch. How about doing gay porn, or modeling for trans gender magazine. There must be something out there like that.
 
2014-08-02 08:52:59 PM  

Heliovdrake: DrPainMD: brainiac-dumdum: Pointy Tail of Satan: I don't understand how this works. If he/she is attracted to men, but acts like a woman, would the friend be gay or straight? My biological algebra is dividing by zero here

She's hetero.

Give the "chick" a blow job and tell me how hetero you feel afterwards.

Most MtF Trans people really don't want anything done with their dicks, and have as little to do with them as possible. It can often trigger a dysphoria attack.

(Why yes I know trans people, did security in a place that held couseling sessions, picked up a lot of info on the job talking to doctors and the people there. )


That's not the issue. If brainiac-dumdum really thinks that that dude is a chick, and that his boyfriend would be hetero, brainiac-dumdum is welcome to give the dude a bj and report back on how hetero he feels.
 
2014-08-02 08:54:16 PM  

Heliovdrake: Boo_Guy: Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

What would them putting a picture up have to do with anything?  She's the one that decided to put herself out there,  talking about wanting to model and enter beauty pageants,  so why wouldn't her looks be up for debate?

If the people calling her ugly here were also modeling and entering such pageants then I could see some merit to it,  but they likely aren't so asking them to post pictures to be able to comment on her looks really doesn't have any point to it that I can see.

Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged.  It's just a question.

Its less to do about her being trans and more about seeing if people mocking a stranger on the internet are willing to risk being mocked themselves...


No it's about her wanting a place in modeling and in pageantry, places that are very demanding in terms of physical beauty.  Trans or not, she's not likely to find a place within it based on her looks.  The people calling her ugly are expressing that,  rather crudely but still.  That's why their looks don't matter and hers does,  because she wants a job based on her looks.
 
2014-08-02 08:54:40 PM  
What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.
 
2014-08-02 08:56:24 PM  

Heliovdrake: IamAwake: Heliovdrake: Because, I wanted to see how brave people are, I mean are you willing to call someone ugly on a forum, but too afriad to post a picture of yourself to be judged. It's just a question.

Umm...he's not wanting to run for a beauty contest.  If you're doing such a thing, you are 100% unequivocally giving people permission to judge your looks

See they did enter a contest, or wanted to.... and that takes guts, given how they look.. It takes a lot of guts really regardless of gender. Are the posters here, on a much smaller venue as brave and gutsy as the person in the story?

Thats the question. People here have much less on the line.

Foxxinnia: Heliovdrake: I wonder if anyone posting and saying that shes ugly, has the balls to post a picture of themselves holding up a piece of paper with todays date on it.  It is only fair.

Anyone brave enough? Just curious.

Only attractive people are allowed to think other people are ugly?

No see my above answer and posts.

Let me be a little more clear too... Im not saying you are not allowed to judge this person. You are, thats freedom.  I was only asking if you judge them, are you willing to be judged yourself, like this person was?



Let's skip the judging and stipulate I'm ugly and managed to score a mate on account of my huge penis. I would submit it for judging but posting rules won't allow it.

/seriously
//I'm huge
 
2014-08-02 08:57:04 PM  
img.fark.net

img.fark.net

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-02 08:58:03 PM  

06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.


Could be XXY...What then?
 
2014-08-02 08:58:40 PM  

06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.


And hopefully not apologizing for being wholly ignorant of the actual facts regarding gender and biology!
 
2014-08-02 08:59:26 PM  
What if it were a male who feels he's male competing on a team sport for women? If you were a woman in say, a woman's college basketball team, how would you feel if a few of your opposing team's players were guys and outperformed the rest of the team? Would you not say they shouldn't have been able to join a woman's basketball team in the first place given that they're not actually female? What if your daughter's school softball team got beaten by another girls softball team that happened to have a male star player? Would you not be upset that he was even able to join?

Many jobs such as military, police, firefighters, etc have a physical fitness test as part of the hiring process or advancing in rank. If you were a male but got outscored by another male and thus he got hired and you didn't or he got a promotion and you didn't, would you be upset if the only reason he outscored you is because he got graded on the female scale while you had to stick with the male scale?
 
2014-08-02 09:00:05 PM  

theflatline: I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.


Something about wearing the uniform...
 
2014-08-02 09:00:25 PM  
She's no Bailey Jay.
 
2014-08-02 09:00:33 PM  

Shaggy_C: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

Could be XXY...What then?


Then it would stand to reason this person would not be able to compete in either male or female contests, since it is technically not a member of either.
 
2014-08-02 09:01:21 PM  

Shaggy_C: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

Could be XXY...What then?


Threesome?
 
2014-08-02 09:01:37 PM  
Double fail: subby and Daily Fail.

/Jessica why the long face?


images.boomsbeat.com
 
2014-08-02 09:03:30 PM  
162 comments, and no...img.fark.net
 
2014-08-02 09:03:43 PM  

Mugato: Death threats, really? WTF is wrong with people? I mean....ewww but death threats?


quite right
 
2014-08-02 09:04:07 PM  

Shaggy_C: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

Could be XXYYYZ..What then?


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-02 09:06:56 PM  

taurusowner: Shaggy_C: 06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.

Could be XXY...What then?

Then it would stand to reason this person would not be able to compete in either male or female contests, since it is technically not a member of either.


Or, it's a member of both!

DoctorCal: img.fark.net


Separated at birth...
 
2014-08-02 09:08:30 PM  
Remember kids, cracking jokes about a trans person's looks is totally cool.

"Die Cis Scum" however, is a heartless, vitriol filled example of reverse-transphobia, and must be attacked and silenced.
 
2014-08-02 09:08:39 PM  

Mister Peejay: theflatline:
This a transexual friend I have in Bogota, who you would never not know is a woman, and these ears are the closest I have seen her to being an AW.
/i did just ask her permission to post it.

[www.guiacereza.com image 600x800]

I can prove that she's mentally female:  She's being photographed while hugging her dog.

I have NO idea why this is such a girl thing to do.  If a girl has a dog, she has a picture of her hugging it.  Guys don't hug their dogs.


I hug my dog and I'm a straight dude. And a biker.
 
2014-08-02 09:08:43 PM  

MrHappyRotter: These kinds of competitions are (or should) basically just judging people on standards of physical as well as social feminine beauty. To me, it seems like your birth gender versus your self-perceived gender shouldn't be part of the equation. Simplified, I know, but if the standard is that the winner has beautiful curvy hips, bouncy boobs, shimmering hair, pretty makeup, and looks good in a swimsuit -- well if a man can pull it off the best, then that man should win. If a MTF can pull it off best, then that MTF should win. If a woman can pull it off the best, then that woman should win. This is not to mention, all the middle ground that people conveniently either choose to ignore, or are just plain ignorant of. There are a not insignificant number of people whose physical gender very much defies our binary male/female concept. Some people whose chromosomes don't align well with their gender, some born hermaphrodites and whose parents made a decision about gender shortly after birth, and it just gets more complicated from there.

To be honest, and part of this requires you to be honest with yourself, if you're able to, but so much of the female "beauty" you see these days is fake. There's the makeup, wigs, padded bras, push-up ass pants, high heels, breast implants, cosmetic surgery, liposuction, duct tape, hair spray, spray on tanning, lip injections, botox ... the list goes on. I'm sorry, but you know some of the biological female contestants have all of that going on, and quite frankly, they've made as many or more modifications to their bodies in the name of adhering to feminine convention than the average male to female transgender person.


But that does nothing to negate the fact there are entrance requirements to even participate. Competitors in the male Olympic shot put are graded on how far they can throw the shot. But that doesn't mean anyone and everyone who can throw one can compete. There is still a gender requirement to compete in the male event in addition to other standards before one can even get on the field.

The methods used to judge a winner and the methods used to select who can compete at all vary in pretty much every sport you can think of. 21 year old college baseball players can't join Little League. Females cannot join the NBA. 19 year old woman cannot compete in beauty pageants meant for young girls. Men cannot compete in the WNBA. These are all requirements to even join that must be met long before the contest begins and the actual judging takes place.

Beauty pageants that are meant for females are exactly that. For females. If that's not you, you shouldn't be able to join.
 
2014-08-02 09:08:45 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-02 09:10:13 PM  
"Determined to be the first transgender glamour model:?

Too late:
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-02 09:10:53 PM  
If by smoking hot you mean very clearly transformer, then sure.
More power to her/him, however. Fark the haters.
 
2014-08-02 09:11:00 PM  
Now lets be fair. He's better looking that most of the women that have been on Fark. I know thats not saying much but still...
 
2014-08-02 09:14:37 PM  

baconbeard: This is like the antithesis of a crappy Aerosmith song.

/you know, as opposed to a "good" Aerosmith song.



Aerosmith hasn't had a good song since the late seventies.
 
2014-08-02 09:15:26 PM  

doctor wu: If by smoking hot you mean very clearly transformer, then sure.
More power to her/him, however. Fark the haters.


FTFM
 
2014-08-02 09:21:05 PM  

taurusowner: I have no problem with people who want to live how they want and even call themselves anything they want. I draw the line when they try to convince everyone that we all have to accept that they are what they want to be. This is a male human. Nothing can ever change the fact that this is a male. And he should not be allowed to enter a competition meant for females. There is more to sex and gender than just having a idea in your head about what you want to be. If he wants to dress like a female, give himself a female name and even tell his friends that he would prefer they refer to him as a female, fine. What goes on in his head and in his own home or with his friends or significant others is his business. But making a public ordeal about it in some attempt to just start calling males female just because they want us to is over the line.

I wouldn't be comfortable with this man changing at a public pool in the female dressing room, possibly in front of young female children for the simple fact he is a male and as a society we don't generally accept adult males and adolescent or preteen females in the same place. And that concept applies to this as well. Until such a day comes where we lose all ideas of sexuality, propriety and nakedness being tied together, we accept that in some areas of life, men and women are best kept temporarily separated such as bathrooms, showers, changing rooms, etc. And this does indeed apply to other areas where something is meant for females or males exclusively.

Can a male seek refuge in a domestic abuse shelter if he believes he is female?
Can a male use the military physical fitness scale for females if he believes he is male?
Can a male join a sorority if he believes he is female?
Can a male receive scholarships meant for women if he believes he is female?

This person is a male. And he should not be allowed to join any competition or organization that limits its membership to females just because he really really wants to be a female, ...


Interestingly enough, there is a real issue with the trans community in medical procedures. Asking for sex is tricky, and some folks get REALLY upset when you don't refer to them by their preferred pronoun. But, I don't have much sympathy in that very narrow condition, because medical necessity trumps personal gender identification.

/No matter how much surgery and physical alterations a male undergoes to look female, (s)he will have a 0% risk of ovarian cancer
 
2014-08-02 09:21:49 PM  
Bailey Jay

/that is all
 
2014-08-02 09:23:54 PM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-08-02 09:27:16 PM  
farm5.staticflickr.com

Sure, I blew a transformer.
 
2014-08-02 09:29:04 PM  
LOL nice filter.  Should say blew a tr@nny.  Whatever.
 
2014-08-02 09:29:27 PM  
Because it's not like "beauty pageant contestant" automatically tells everyone that you're a terrible human being with severe body image issues to boot, or anything.

Yeah, it makes you a role model, that's the ticket.  Not protesting too much at all, there.
 
gja
2014-08-02 09:32:58 PM  
OIC, British hot. Bleh. What a hard face. Yeeesh, try frigging smiling, ffs.
 
2014-08-02 09:33:30 PM  

FriarReb98: \this thread will get uglier than he/she is


Subby needs a refresher on what a hot woman looks like, he looks feminine for a man but that's about it, hell he's barely passable and that would take multiple drinks to fool someone.
 
2014-08-02 09:38:19 PM  

06Wahoo: What're this guy's chromosomes?  Oh, still XY?  Then still a dude.

/Not apologizing for telling the truth.


So you call women with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome dudes as well then?
 
2014-08-02 09:39:47 PM  

doctor wu: baconbeard: This is like the antithesis of a crappy Aerosmith song.

/you know, as opposed to a "good" Aerosmith song.


Aerosmith hasn't had a good song since the late seventies.


Aerosmith hasn't had a good song.

/more overrated than Bon Jovi.
 
gja
2014-08-02 09:43:05 PM  

baconbeard: doctor wu: baconbeard: This is like the antithesis of a crappy Aerosmith song.

/you know, as opposed to a "good" Aerosmith song.


Aerosmith hasn't had a good song since the late seventies.

Aerosmith hasn't had a good song.

/more overrated than Bon Jovi.


HEATHEN!!!! Burn the heretic!!!!!
 
2014-08-02 09:46:23 PM  
You limeys shor do like your chicks with dicks.
i440.photobucket.com
Preverts.
 
2014-08-02 09:47:10 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Interestingly enough, there is a real issue with the trans community in medical procedures. Asking for sex is tricky, and some folks get REALLY upset when you don't refer to them by their preferred pronoun. But, I don't have much sympathy in that very narrow condition, because medical necessity trumps personal gender identification.


And, on the other hand, there are insurance companies that refuse to pay for prostate cancer procedures for male-to-female transgender folks, because if there's an F on their paperwork for gender, then that trumps biology and medical necessity.
 
2014-08-02 09:47:15 PM  

gja: baconbeard: doctor wu: baconbeard: This is like the antithesis of a crappy Aerosmith song.

/you know, as opposed to a "good" Aerosmith song.


Aerosmith hasn't had a good song since the late seventies.

Aerosmith hasn't had a good song.

/more overrated than Bon Jovi.

HEATHEN!!!! Burn the heretic!!!!!


My apologies "Done With Mirrors" was sublime.

/snicker
 
2014-08-02 09:48:47 PM  
thenypost.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-02 09:48:52 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: "confused"?


Just a lil bi curious, is all.


/bike curious
 
2014-08-02 09:49:29 PM  

loonatic112358: Theaetetus: Death threats? For participating in a beauty pageant? WTF?

Someone get angry when their penis responds in a way that confuses them


0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2014-08-02 09:50:39 PM  

Theaetetus: And, on the other hand, there are insurance companies that refuse to pay for prostate cancer procedures for male-to-female transgender folks, because if there's an F on their paperwork for gender, then that trumps biology and medical necessity.


Are you suggesting that insurance companies are dickheads? I'm going to need to see some serious citations for a claim that wild.

I just woke up from a coma after trying to drive here from Mayberry, so you'll have to forgive my naivete.
 
2014-08-02 09:56:27 PM  
Well, he is hot, but he ain't no Vicky RIchter.  That dude is awesome!
 
2014-08-02 09:56:32 PM  

dopekitty74: dopekitty74: Prophet of Loss: theflatline: I have no problems with transgendered people, and even have a cousin who is transexual.

However, when they dress like whores in their day to day lives and call attention to themselves and then complain that people pay undue attention to them, then they can fark off.

They just want men to see and desire them as we do women. Sadly aside from a small minority, men will never seen them as such.

Strangely enough though, straight men are the most frequent consumers of transformer porn.

Transformer ? New filter?


oi52.tinypic.com
 
2014-08-02 10:02:56 PM  
Hotter than the thing in the article.

web.mit.edu
 
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