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(Slate)   Daily running doesn't have any real health benefits   (slate.com) divider line 74
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2014-08-01 08:14:31 PM  
That's not remotely what the article says.
 
2014-08-01 08:18:20 PM  
It does if you're being chased
 
2014-08-01 08:52:09 PM  
That's not even close to an accurate representation of the article's point.
 
2014-08-01 08:53:53 PM  
Trollerific headline, but the point is well made about "studies" that "control for variables" regarding measuring human behavior.
 
2014-08-01 09:05:27 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It does if you're being chased


Or if you are the one doing the chasing.
 
2014-08-01 09:20:56 PM  

Snarfangel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It does if you're being chased

Or if you are the one doing the chasing.


mmm fresh kill for dinner
 
2014-08-01 09:29:40 PM  
i.imgflip.com
 
2014-08-01 10:00:51 PM  
Well that's too bad, subby, because your mom has been running through my mind all night long. And I was hoping she would live long enough for me hit it one more time.
 
2014-08-01 10:03:39 PM  
Surely exercise is exercise?

Meanwhile, sure, I'll run five minutes... if I'm late and have to chase the bus.
 
2014-08-01 10:06:32 PM  
Had a talk with my orthopedic surgeon. He's not keen on running for exercise. It's very hard on the lower joints.
 
2014-08-01 10:07:01 PM  
Hey, it benefited Jim Fixx. Wait, hold on.
 
2014-08-01 10:07:40 PM  
Hmmm, through a combination of running 3x a week, 2x elliptical and eating right I lost 80lbs. I'm going to say running is a big part of my improved health.
 
2014-08-01 10:09:13 PM  
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2014-08-01 10:11:18 PM  
Even if suby's headline was remotely accurate, why would anyone give a shiat what an Economics Professor has to say about clinical variables in any subject, much less a medical/health-related subject? Economics, as currently practiced, is one of the most pathetic excuses for a science there is. It's more a bunch of hodgepodge philosophies and oversimplifications loosely justified by cherry-picked stats than a respectable, data-driven science.
 
2014-08-01 10:14:29 PM  
Looks like someone is first to die in the zombie uprising.

CARDIO
 
2014-08-01 10:19:04 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:


How the hell does he piss, or wipe for that matter there is no way his arms could reach either place, not to mention how the mounds of belly fat must be smashing his nuts into that chair how....on second thought I am probably better off not knowing
 
2014-08-01 10:19:20 PM  

Emo Jeezus: Even if suby's headline was remotely accurate, why would anyone give a shiat what an Economics Professor has to say about clinical variables in any subject, much less a medical/health-related subject? Economics, as currently practiced, is one of the most pathetic excuses for a science there is. It's more a bunch of hodgepodge philosophies and oversimplifications loosely justified by cherry-picked stats than a respectable, data-driven science.


Real economists do a lot of multiple regressions, and try to test hypotheses about things that happen to large populations, so they understand some of the issues involved in making claims. But we often don't hear about that because there are certain rich people who fund theorists to justify policies that favor them, and they have the money.
 
2014-08-01 10:20:26 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]


Running 5 minutes a day isn't going to be enough to get that guy to lose weight, and that's the point of the article.  Healthy people do LOTS of things differently from unhealthy people.
 
2014-08-01 10:22:15 PM  

Pribar: Because People in power are Stupid:

How the hell does he piss, or wipe for that matter there is no way his arms could reach either place, not to mention how the mounds of belly fat must be smashing his nuts into that chair how....on second thought I am probably better off not knowing


blogs.browardpalmbeach.com
 
2014-08-01 10:23:06 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:


The toilet is photobombing you
 
2014-08-01 10:28:53 PM  

Johnny_Canuck: Because People in power are Stupid:

The toilet is photobombing you


Ha. Never noticed his office is in the shiatter.
 
2014-08-01 10:29:08 PM  

Mentat: That's not remotely what the article says.


Does it matter? It's Slate, so it's probably as troll-tastic as the headline
 
2014-08-01 10:31:17 PM  

RRicochet: Had a talk with my orthopedic surgeon. He's not keen on running for exercise. It's very hard on the lower joints.


I'm told that, if you use proper form, it's normal/natural/healthy.

I mean, mechanically speaking, humans had to have evolved to be able to run at least a bit a day without falling to shiat.  Course these same people tell me that it's basically concrete running that's destroying our bodies, since we, again, evolved to run on something spongy like savanna/dirt/etc.

But what the hell do I know, I don't run, I'm just parroting things I read online.  I'd like to run. I've found it enjoyable, but I'm so fat I can't just now, and the last time I did, I farked myself up good (not enough warm up, no cool down, etc.).  But even with all that, running just feels...good. Natural.
 
2014-08-01 10:35:14 PM  

Emo Jeezus: Even if suby's headline was remotely accurate, why would anyone give a shiat what an Economics Professor has to say about clinical variables in any subject, much less a medical/health-related subject? Economics, as currently practiced, is one of the most pathetic excuses for a science there is. It's more a bunch of hodgepodge philosophies and oversimplifications loosely justified by cherry-picked stats than a respectable, data-driven science.


You're making me nostalgic for my undergrad days in Social Science.
 
2014-08-01 10:35:36 PM  

Emo Jeezus: Even if suby's headline was remotely accurate, why would anyone give a shiat what an Economics Professor has to say about clinical variables in any subject, much less a medical/health-related subject? Economics, as currently practiced, is one of the most pathetic excuses for a science there is. It's more a bunch of hodgepodge philosophies and oversimplifications loosely justified by cherry-picked stats than a respectable, data-driven science.


Sounds like psychology.
 
2014-08-01 10:36:18 PM  

12349876: Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]

Running 5 minutes a day isn't going to be enough to get that guy to lose weight, and that's the point of the article.  Healthy people do LOTS of things differently from unhealthy people.


But what is the point of subby?  I'm stumped.
 
2014-08-01 10:37:09 PM  
When I was a kid, I seemed to have more energy than 20 sticks of dynamite. I ran a lot. I loved running. I was fast and agile.

I also walked a lot, rode my bike, climbed trees, swam, played active games, did chores, chased grasshoppers, built forts, dug holes, slid down slides, wrestled with my big, friendly mutt of a dog and went exploring.

Any form of vigorous exercise is good for you. However, after you pass 30, repeated pounding of certain joints -- like in jogging or running long distances, can cause wear.

On TV you see these homesteaders in the Artic who live off the grid, working from sun up to sundown to survive and they're happy, fit and healthy. They think nothing of walking 10 miles to track a deer or hauling in about 500 lbs of wood in the afternoon, then building a shed or cabin.

Give them about 20 years from now, and the majority of them will have joint problems. They'll be tough as nails, but they'll have hip and knee problems, probably arthritis in the hands, wrists and elbows.

Exercise is healthy, but daily, grinding labor can do damage mainly to the bones. That encourages arthritis. It wears away the fibrous pads between the bones in the joints.

Now, ironically, hauling tons of weight daily in farm work can give them strong bones so they'll never suffer from brittle bone disease, but where the bones connect will suffer.

So moderation is needed.

How much, we don't know yet.

We have the bones from people from nearly every century since humans popped up and we have been able to judge their health by looking at the wear and tear.

I don't know if we have found the 'perfect' period in history yet. Either too much exercise (labor) or too little.
 
2014-08-01 10:50:47 PM  

keypusher: 12349876: Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]

Running 5 minutes a day isn't going to be enough to get that guy to lose weight, and that's the point of the article.  Healthy people do LOTS of things differently from unhealthy people.

But what is the point of subby?  I'm stumped.


I can't speak for subby, but I'd say that focusing on the minutiae is pretty useless when there's so many different paths to healthy living that encompass so many things.

5 minutes of running a day?  You don't need to run AT ALL to be healthy.  Exercise can be done in other ways.  Or you could run more than 35 minutes a week but not every single day.  And 5 minutes of running a day is not sufficient exercise by itself and has no reflection on all the other habits like eating and hygiene.

Thinking any one little thing is a miracle cure is not the path the healthy living.
 
2014-08-01 10:51:15 PM  
It might not make you live longer, but it helps you look like the two people in the picture.
 
2014-08-01 10:51:43 PM  

RRicochet: Had a talk with my orthopedic surgeon. He's not keen on running for exercise. It's very hard on the lower joints.


I've never been keen on running either, plus, you get all sweaty, and I dislike that.  I'm a big fan of swimming for exercise, though it does obviously require access to a lap pool. Still, it's better on the joints, plus it has the added benefit of keeping you cool the entire time while you're doing it.
 
2014-08-01 10:51:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It does if you're being chased


True.  But remember that when you find yourself in the presence of an angry tiger and a small child, you do not have to outrun the tiger.  You just have to outrun the child.
 
2014-08-01 10:52:15 PM  
I only take health advice from experts: fat chicks with Masters degrees in Gender Studies
 
2014-08-01 11:00:06 PM  
If you're running to lose weight, you're going to mess up your knees.  Try an eliptical machine or an exercise bike.
 
2014-08-01 11:03:08 PM  

12349876: Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]

Running 5 minutes a day isn't going to be enough to get that guy to lose weight, and that's the point of the article.  Healthy people do LOTS of things differently from unhealthy people.


No! No, no, not 5! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 5. Who works out in 5 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.
7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby.
 
2014-08-01 11:05:05 PM  

baconbeard: I only take health advice from experts: fat chicks with Masters degrees in Gender Studies


Well, you know she's tried everything. Even if none of it worked.
 
2014-08-01 11:15:19 PM  

Fano: 12349876: Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]

Running 5 minutes a day isn't going to be enough to get that guy to lose weight, and that's the point of the article.  Healthy people do LOTS of things differently from unhealthy people.

No! No, no, not 5! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 5. Who works out in 5 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.
7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby.


I'll have what he's having...
 
2014-08-01 11:15:41 PM  
It doesn't have any real health detriments either, unless you weigh 850 lbs and try to run a marathon your first day, so I'm not going to stop.
 
2014-08-01 11:15:53 PM  
i hate running.  it sucks.  i'll run to play a sport or escape a sharknado, but just to run, fark that noise.  to each their own.
 
2014-08-01 11:23:53 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]


That ergonomic keyboard is really going to help him reduce muscle strain!
 
2014-08-02 12:12:32 AM  

squidloe: Hmmm, through a combination of running 3x a week, 2x elliptical and eating right I lost 80lbs. I'm going to say running is a big part of my improved health.


Ok, I'll bite. Running probably has very little to do with your weight loss unless you were doing extreme amounts of it. Assuming fairly normal intensity you're probably burning about 150 calories per mile. So if you're running 3 miles, that's about 450 calories, as much as a Mcdonalds double cheeseburger.

Much more likely your weight loss (congratulations BTW) is attributable to your improved diet. It's fairly easy to eat a little less/healthier each day and that makes a huge difference. Exercise might make you feel good but it's the diet that's really going to make the pounds drop off.
 
2014-08-02 12:18:08 AM  
Running makes me feel good, that's enough.
 
2014-08-02 12:25:14 AM  
wax_on: ... Running probably has very little to do with your weight loss unless you were doing extreme amounts of it. Assuming fairly normal intensity you're probably burning about 150 calories per mile. So if you're running 3 miles, that's about 450 calories, as much as a Mcdonalds double cheeseburger.

Much more likely your weight loss (congratulations BTW) is attributable to your improved diet.


Well, that and the fact that you are now three miles away from your fridge.
 
2014-08-02 12:28:14 AM  
I guess if you're healthy you were just exposed to random luck and events beyond your control, just like I was taught in sociology class about the amount of money any given person has.
 
2014-08-02 12:35:06 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: If you're running to lose weight


You've got to run a hell of a long way.

Dieting is the only thing that will really lose weight.
 
2014-08-02 12:50:57 AM  
Sex. lots and lots of vigorous sex ..
 
2014-08-02 12:56:37 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Sex. lots and lots of vigorous sex ..


Where do I sign up?
I'm supposed to be farking my wife right now so we can have baby #5. But I'm at the store getting chocolate so she can relax. It's not going to help except because she thinks it will. Damned adrenal dysfunction.
 
2014-08-02 12:58:31 AM  

wax_on: squidloe: Hmmm, through a combination of running 3x a week, 2x elliptical and eating right I lost 80lbs. I'm going to say running is a big part of my improved health.

Ok, I'll bite. Running probably has very little to do with your weight loss unless you were doing extreme amounts of it. Assuming fairly normal intensity you're probably burning about 150 calories per mile. So if you're running 3 miles, that's about 450 calories, as much as a Mcdonalds double cheeseburger.

Much more likely your weight loss (congratulations BTW) is attributable to your improved diet. It's fairly easy to eat a little less/healthier each day and that makes a huge difference. Exercise might make you feel good but it's the diet that's really going to make the pounds drop off.


I thought it was more like 100 cal per mile, not 150. 6 mph isn't a crazy pace, but 900 calories an hour requires a lot of intensity.

Otoh if I am wrong then you are still wrong: an hour's exercise would be contributing nearly 50% of his daily energy burn.
 
2014-08-02 01:10:43 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [i.imgflip.com image 490x366]


Creezus, even his moobs have moobs.
 
2014-08-02 01:26:12 AM  
I wasn't planning on going for a run today
but those cops came out of nowhere!
 
2014-08-02 01:34:55 AM  
I have yet to meet a obese person confined to a wheel chair.

Just say un
 
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