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2014-08-01 05:04:05 PM  
If you think a group of people literally should be exterminated, chances are you're the first one who should be exterminated.
 
2014-08-01 05:08:17 PM  
What a putz.
 
2014-08-01 05:24:41 PM  
 
2014-08-01 05:39:15 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: and he's already been fired, and rightly so.


Why fire that asshole when one of the MKs says the same damn thing?
 
2014-08-01 05:41:27 PM  
And if it is one thing the Jews know something about, it is genocide!

/you can take that either way...
 
2014-08-01 05:42:23 PM  
Wait - I've lost track again.  Are the Jewish Israelis the innocent victims of crazed violent terrorist states, or are they blood-thirsty, land-grabbing baby-killers today?  If someone could shoot me a copy of the schedule, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.
 
2014-08-01 05:42:53 PM  
There's 1.8 million people in Gaza.
 
2014-08-01 05:43:18 PM  

real_headhoncho: And if it is one thing the Jews know something about, it is genocide!

/you can take that either way...


At least someone paid attention in history class
 
2014-08-01 05:45:04 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Wait - I've lost track again.  Are the Jewish Israelis the innocent victims of crazed violent terrorist states, or are they blood-thirsty, land-grabbing baby-killers today?  If someone could shoot me a copy of the schedule, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.


I think it flips more frequently than Obama flipping between being an empty suit panderer and a megalomaniacal tyrant. You'd best just go with the flow.
 
2014-08-01 05:46:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There's 1.8 million people in Gaza.


Not if Yochanan Gordon or  Ayelet Shaked get their way.
 
2014-08-01 05:46:24 PM  
And in the death
As the last few corpses lay rotting on the slimy thoroughfare
The shutters lifted an inch in temperance building, high on Poacher's Hill
And red mutant eyes gazed down on Hunger City
No more big wheels
Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes
Coveting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers
Like packs of dogs assaulting the glass fronts of Love-Me Avenue
Ripping and rewrapping mink and shiny silver fox, now legwarmers
Family badge of sapphire and cracked emerald
Any day now, the year of the Diamond Dogs
"This ain't rock and roll! This is genocide!
 
2014-08-01 05:52:39 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: and he's already been fired, and rightly so.


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2014-08-01 05:57:47 PM  
Lots of final solutions coming out of Israel nowadays.
 
2014-08-01 06:03:21 PM  

real_headhoncho: And if it is one thing the Jews know something about, it is genocide!

/you can take that either way...


Never forget.
 
2014-08-01 06:03:25 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: and he's already been fired, and rightly so.


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2014-08-01 06:03:54 PM  

Captain Steroid: Grand_Moff_Joseph: and he's already been fired, and rightly so.

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Oh, jeez, sorry! Wrong picture. :-(

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There. Much better. ^_^
 
2014-08-01 06:05:06 PM  

Captain Steroid: Captain Steroid: Grand_Moff_Joseph: and he's already been fired, and rightly so.

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Oh, jeez, sorry! Wrong picture. :-(

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There. Much better. ^_^


that's the character with the grumpy cat cutie mark, right?
 
2014-08-01 06:28:09 PM  
 
2014-08-01 06:38:13 PM  
First rule of genocide: You never call it genocide.
 
2014-08-01 06:44:58 PM  

TheOmni: First rule of genocide: You never call it genocide.

Thinning the herd?
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2014-08-01 06:46:19 PM  

fusillade762: Benevolent Misanthrope: Wait - I've lost track again.  Are the Jewish Israelis the innocent victims of crazed violent terrorist states, or are they blood-thirsty, land-grabbing baby-killers today?  If someone could shoot me a copy of the schedule, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.

This is an interesting read:

One of the talking points used to that end is the claim that there is "no partner for peace" on the Palestinian side because the leadership was divided. So when Hamas and the Palestinian Authority agreed to end their division in recent months, Netanyahu's government freaked out and demanded Western governments boycott the new united Palestinian leadership. When, to Netanyahu's bitter disappointment, the U.S. insisted on dealing with the new Palestinian government anyway, Israel seems to have opted for a direct confrontation with Hamas to break up the unity government.


Funny, that's how it looks to me too.

Must just be a coincidence.
 
2014-08-01 06:48:39 PM  

fusillade762: Benevolent Misanthrope: Wait - I've lost track again.  Are the Jewish Israelis the innocent victims of crazed violent terrorist states, or are they blood-thirsty, land-grabbing baby-killers today?  If someone could shoot me a copy of the schedule, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.

This is an interesting read:

One of the talking points used to that end is the claim that there is "no partner for peace" on the Palestinian side because the leadership was divided. So when Hamas and the Palestinian Authority agreed to end their division in recent months, Netanyahu's government freaked out and demanded Western governments boycott the new united Palestinian leadership. When, to Netanyahu's bitter disappointment, the U.S. insisted on dealing with the new Palestinian government anyway, Israel seems to have opted for a direct confrontation with Hamas to break up the unity government.


If true, I am wholly unsurprised. The Likud are pushing for more bloodshed in this conflict just like Hamas is.
 
2014-08-01 06:59:36 PM  
Anyone else remember that episode of The Shield where Vic and the cops decided to end a gang way by locking the two leaders of the gang in a shipping container and telling them to settle their differences one way or the other?

I'm starting to think that would be a very nice idea to resolve this conflict.  Take Netanyahu and the entire Knesset, lock them in a room with an equal number of Hamas leaders, a map, and a pen.  Tell them they can come out for food, water, and fresh air as soon as they've got the borders and a peace treaty written up.

Repeat as necessary.
 
2014-08-01 07:11:57 PM  
Get Hamas out of real power. Marginalize Likud as a minority party. It's sick to see blame thrown around so blindly when both sides have done horrible things. Palestine deserves statehood. It should be negotiated between the Palestinian Authority and a non-Likud Israeli delegation. As much as Palestine deserves to exist, Israel deserves to defend itself. Nothing will get better while the prevailing powers prefer fighting to talking.
 
2014-08-01 07:15:57 PM  
Palestinian Islamic Jihad probably shouldn't be part of negotiations either.
 
2014-08-01 07:25:18 PM  
New reason! Natural gas deposits off the coast of Gaza:

IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis
 
2014-08-01 07:47:49 PM  
Israel has hardcore rightwing retards just like America.

Therefore we must make a troll thread acting like every single person in Israel agrees with them
 
2014-08-01 07:49:15 PM  

RobertBruce: Get Hamas out of real power. Marginalize Likud as a minority party. It's sick to see blame thrown around so blindly when both sides have done horrible things. Palestine deserves statehood. It should be negotiated between the Palestinian Authority and a non-Likud Israeli delegation. As much as Palestine deserves to exist, Israel deserves to defend itself. Nothing will get better while the prevailing powers prefer fighting to talking.


That seems like a reasonable path to success, especially given your second comment about keeping the Islamic fundamentalists out of the picture as well. Unfortunately, getting them out of power is a tough nut to crack.
 
2014-08-01 07:50:25 PM  

fusillade762: New reason! Natural gas deposits off the coast of Gaza:

IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis


Now that's what I call muddying the waters.

All the sentient beings in this region already have enough motivation for continued animosity without bringing energy resources into it.

/+1, would bite again
 
2014-08-01 08:00:17 PM  
That is simply stunning. I'm really just flummoxed for a response. Oh wait, I've got one: "You're an arsehole and should be beaten in the streets by the Palestinian population of Gaza with wooden paddles until your skin is a uniform color of purple."
 
2014-08-01 08:02:36 PM  

Serious Black: RobertBruce: Get Hamas out of real power. Marginalize Likud as a minority party. It's sick to see blame thrown around so blindly when both sides have done horrible things. Palestine deserves statehood. It should be negotiated between the Palestinian Authority and a non-Likud Israeli delegation. As much as Palestine deserves to exist, Israel deserves to defend itself. Nothing will get better while the prevailing powers prefer fighting to talking.

That seems like a reasonable path to success, especially given your second comment about keeping the Islamic fundamentalists out of the picture as well. Unfortunately, getting them out of power is a tough nut to crack.


The Gazans will not accept any political leadership that does not allow them to save face.  Saving face over there is almost as important as saving face is anywhere else in the world.  The Gazan politicians have been returning with their dicks in their hands, and their constituents become excited when their politicians have only their dicks to look at.  So excited that they shoot off rockets and claw at the ground.  The Israeli government will allow them to save face, because when you have your enemy on the ropes, and the ref is yelling "HIT HIM AGAIN!  BELOW THE BELT THIS TIME!", you hit him again, and you hit him below the belt this time.

So Hamas will finally collapse, just as the PLO did before them, and Abu Mazen before that.  After the PLO defeat, the head of the PLO (Yassir!) came to power.  The terrorist Abu Mazen replaced him, just as Hamas replaced Abu Mazen when Abu Mazen became Abbas.

Hamas will be defeated.  The leader of Hamas will become Israel's chosen representative in Gaza.

And something much worse than Hamas will replace Hamas.

So it is written.
 
2014-08-01 08:03:34 PM  

fusillade762: This is an interesting read:

One of the talking points used to that end is the claim that there is "no partner for peace" on the Palestinian side because the leadership was divided. So when Hamas and the Palestinian Authority agreed to end their division in recent months, Netanyahu's government freaked out and demanded Western governments boycott the new united Palestinian leadership. When, to Netanyahu's bitter disappointment, the U.S. insisted on dealing with the new Palestinian government anyway, Israel seems to have opted for a direct confrontation with Hamas to break up the unity government.


And this is pretty much it. And to anyone who wanted Hamas out of power because they were terrorists, guess what? They were already unpopular as hell in Gaza before this started because they're horrible at running a government. But, now that Israel has killed about a thousand people in Gaza, Hamas is gaining popularity because they're at least fighting back. So again, Bebe gets what he wanted: an excuse to kill Palestinians.

/lather, rinse, repeat
 
2014-08-01 08:18:47 PM  

Irving Maimway: They were already unpopular as hell in Gaza before this started because they're horrible at running a government


Gaza has been under more or less a continuous blockade (aka "a siege") since 2007.  In that environment, there is not such a thing as "government" as we know it.  It's not like they can float a bond issue for their sewer system that will be bombed by Israeli warplanes the Tuesday after next week.

Just an observation.
 
2014-08-01 08:25:58 PM  
B-b-b-b-b-b-but Hamas wants all of Israel gone so we must disregard all morals and become the monster to fight the monster.
 
2014-08-01 08:27:24 PM  
I'm sure they would have wanted to genocide the Nazis, too, if they could have. It's always a great idea to genocide those who want to genocide you. You'd want to beat them to the punch.
 
2014-08-01 08:30:13 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: I'm sure they would have wanted to genocide the Nazis, too, if they could have. It's always a great idea to genocide those who want to genocide you. You'd want to beat them to the punch.


Except we don't generalize all Germans as Nazis.

Hamas =/= Palestine

One's a political party. One's a geographic region.
 
2014-08-01 08:33:02 PM  

WizardofToast: Except we don't generalize all Germans as Nazis


That's a wild and reckless over generalization.  A Nazi has to rock a black Hugo Boss suit.

/everybody knows that
 
2014-08-01 08:39:35 PM  

WizardofToast: Noam Chimpsky: I'm sure they would have wanted to genocide the Nazis, too, if they could have. It's always a great idea to genocide those who want to genocide you. You'd want to beat them to the punch.

Except we don't generalize all Germans as Nazis.

Hamas =/= Palestine

One's a political party. One's a geographic region.


You pretty much gotta sink or swim with the political party that represents you. When the Nazis were running Germany, we didn't spend a lot of energy trying to pinpoint the party members. We would have lost the war if we did that.
 
2014-08-01 08:41:10 PM  
As I said in another thread, most Israelis are awesome people, but the nationalists there are scary as hell. Just look for any op-eds or other pieces from them regarding the asylum seekers from Africa in the country. There's videos of their protests against granting more asylum out there as well. The n-word flies around very freely.
 
2014-08-01 08:41:19 PM  
Dialog from a very under-rated film, Fail-Safe:Brigadier General Warren A. Black: You're justifying murder.Prof. Groeteschele: Yes, to keep from being murdered.Brigadier General Warren A. Black: In the name of what? To preserve what? Even if we do survive, what are we? Better than what we say they are? What gives us the right to live, then? What makes us worth surviving, Groeteschele? That we are ruthless enough to strike first?Prof. Groeteschele: Yes! Those who can survive are the only ones worth surviving.Brigadier General Warren A. Black: Fighting for your life isn't the same as murder.Prof. Groeteschele: Where do you draw the line once you know what the enemy is? How long would the Nazis have kept it up, General, if every Jew they came after had met them with a gun in his hand? But I learned from them, General Black. Oh, I learned.Brigadier General Warren A. Black: You learned too well, Professor. You learned so well that now there's no difference between you and what you want to kill.
 
2014-08-01 08:45:40 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Wait - I've lost track again.  Are the Jewish Israelis the innocent victims of crazed violent terrorist states, or are they blood-thirsty, land-grabbing baby-killers today?  If someone could shoot me a copy of the schedule, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.


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Seriously, it's like this conflict is too complex for binary categorization. How are news channels supposed to survive if they can't reduce thousands of years of conflict into an easily digestible sound bite for the masses? WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CABLE NEWS CHANNELS?!
 
2014-08-01 08:47:16 PM  
Most jews responded to the attempted genocide of WW2 by saying 'This must never happen again'

A few responded by saying 'It must never be Jews who this happens to again'
 
2014-08-01 08:48:42 PM  
Please don't Godwin this thread.
 
2014-08-01 08:49:10 PM  
In Vietnam, America did their best to avoid killing civilians. But when the Viet Cong began hiding amongst the civilians in South Vietnam, it became "necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."

In Iraq and Afghanistan, America did their best to avoid killing civilians. But when al-Qaeda and Mahdi Army insurgents began hiding among the civilians in their respective countries, "collateral damage" was unavoidable in the efforts to dislodge the terrorists and keep the neighborhoods safe.

In both cases, America, as the stronger, superior military force, was rightly vilified for their scorched-earth policy.

In Gaza, Israel is doing their best to avoid killing civilians (or so they claim). But Hamas is hiding among the civilian population, in it and under it, and Israel claims this forces them to kill civilians in order to root out Hamas strong points.

Shouldn't the stronger, superior military force be vilified for their policy in this case as well, regardless of the weaker force's intentions or assaults on the stronger force? America was not let off the hook in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan, even when our soldiers were dying at the hands of insurgents and terrorists.
 
2014-08-01 08:52:08 PM  
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2014-08-01 08:53:41 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Benevolent Misanthrope: Wait - I've lost track again.  Are the Jewish Israelis the innocent victims of crazed violent terrorist states, or are they blood-thirsty, land-grabbing baby-killers today?  If someone could shoot me a copy of the schedule, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.

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Seriously, it's like this conflict is too complex for binary categorization. How are news channels supposed to survive if they can't reduce thousands of years of conflict into an easily digestible sound bite for the masses? WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CABLE NEWS CHANNELS?!


I was thinking for purposes of Fark threads.
 
2014-08-01 08:54:35 PM  
The whole region is farked. Time to pull all funding and get out of Dodge.
 
2014-08-01 09:04:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Shouldn't the stronger, superior military force be vilified for their policy in this case as well, regardless of the weaker force's intentions or assaults on the stronger force? America was not let off the hook in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan, even when our soldiers were dying at the hands of insurgents and terrorists.


I don't think there are too many sane people who hold casualties from Afghanistan against the US, except for a few cases of wrong targets being chosen. I don't think there are too many serious people making fancy graphics depicting every single civilian casualty in Afghanistan and implying that those deaths are America's fault.

And with Iraq or Vietnam (more so with Iraq), the main contention was that those wars should never have happened in the first place, which is somewhat different than criticizing the tactics chosen in prosecuting those wars. Even with Vietnam, which definitely did have some serious question marks when it came to the management of the war, I don't think anybody seriously throw about terms like "genocide" when criticizing it.
 
2014-08-01 09:08:51 PM  
Hey, were's that farker that likes to post this garbage:

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 in all the middle east threads?

Go on, speak up farker. I'd love to hear all about it.
 
2014-08-01 09:11:04 PM  

Biological Ali: Even with Vietnam, which definitely did have some serious question marks when it came to the management of the war, I don't think anybody seriously throw about terms like "genocide" when criticizing it.


Yeah, it was more the stupidity and meaninglessness of it that we think about today.

Also, albeit different rationale and purposes were behind the conflicts, with Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan, "we" (speaking as an American) could always pack up and go home since the foes in each had limited means to actually attack us on our soil (and in the case of Vietnam, no desire to do so whatsoever, just get the f*ck off our land). Not condoning what Israel (or Hamas) are doing right now at all when I say this, but psychologically, it is a much different kind of entanglement compared to anything America has been involved with in some time when the fighting is taking place on and over the same land. I can see how a lot of people can get wrapped up in the hyperbole and propaganda of war, and if not outright support, certainly willfully ignore atrocities happening all around them.
 
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