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2014-08-01 01:32:48 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-01 01:47:48 PM  
You win this round, planet earth - BUT I'LL BE BACK!!
 
2014-08-01 02:04:21 PM  
Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.
 
2014-08-01 03:48:54 PM  

oldfarthenry: You win this round, planet earth - BUT I'LL BE BACK!!


Headline from the future:

"2 kilometer wide crater discovered in Canadian wilderness - oldfarthenry wanted for questioning"
 
2014-08-01 03:49:27 PM  
Thanks, Fartbama
 
2014-08-01 03:49:38 PM  
And mountains are pimples, right subby?

/yay for scienticians!
 
2014-08-01 03:52:18 PM  
should the T in "The" really be capitalized?
/just asking questions
 
2014-08-01 03:55:10 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.


We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.
 
2014-08-01 03:59:59 PM  

Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.


You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.
 
2014-08-01 04:03:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.


It's started.

http://www.su.se/english/research/leading-research-areas/science/swer u s-c3-first-observations-of-methane-release-from-arctic-ocean-hydrates- 1.198540

Methane concentrations over the Arctic have been spiking a lot lately.
 
2014-08-01 04:03:38 PM  

inner ted: should the T in "The" really be capitalized?
/just asking questions

i.ytimg.com


/Not to mention that the comma should really be a colon...
 
2014-08-01 04:04:44 PM  

Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.


Real estate in the Aleutian Islands is pretty cheap.
 
KIA
2014-08-01 04:05:43 PM  

Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.


Of course not! We're gonna build this really big air conditioner...
 
2014-08-01 04:09:01 PM  

DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.


I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!
 
2014-08-01 04:09:14 PM  

COMALite J: inner ted: should the T in "The" really be capitalized?
/just asking questions[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
/Not to mention that the comma should really be a colon...


thank you
i knew there was something else i was missing
 
2014-08-01 04:10:19 PM  

COMALite J: inner ted: should the T in "The" really be capitalized?
/just asking questions[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
/Not to mention that the comma should really be a colon...


And it should be "sharted" given the mess around the hole...
 
2014-08-01 04:11:17 PM  

with great power comes great insanity: Real estate in the Aleutian Islands is pretty cheap.


That's what I'm going to do. When the arctic is an ocean, the shipping traffic through there will be immense between Europe and Asia. My kids can open up casinos on the new Alaskan Riviera, Cha Ching!
 
2014-08-01 04:12:09 PM  

Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!


No I live on Earth, I just don't see me dying prematurely just because it gets a little warmer.
 
2014-08-01 04:16:44 PM  
Fill the holes with registered Republicans.
Problem solved.
 
2014-08-01 04:23:26 PM  

Pharque-it: Fill the holes with registered Republicans.
Problem solved.


ahahahaah...jokes about murdering millions of people never gets old.

/slaps knee
 
2014-08-01 04:25:51 PM  
Yep, we knew that because we read about it the first time it was greenlit
 
2014-08-01 04:28:18 PM  
img2u.info
 
2014-08-01 04:29:31 PM  

Spare Me: Pharque-it: Fill the holes with registered Republicans.
Problem solved.

ahahahaah...jokes about murdering millions of people never gets old.

/slaps knee


That's right.
 
2014-08-01 04:31:27 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Methane concentrations over the Arctic have been spiking a lot lately.


This is very very very bad. Once these positive feedback loops cross their tipping point and are set into motion we approach game-over-for-humanity levels of bad. We could reduce emissions to zero for the entire planet and it wouldn't matter anymore. It will be out of our hands completely.
 
2014-08-01 04:34:17 PM  
Gee, I wonder if this has ever happened before
[clicks maps link for satellite image of Yamal peninsula]
hmm. seems like that hole fits right in with a lot of other similar holes.
Why is this hole special?
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-01 04:36:21 PM  

SVenus: Gee, I wonder if this has ever happened before
[clicks maps link for satellite image of Yamal peninsula]
hmm. seems like that hole fits right in with a lot of other similar holes.
Why is this hole special?
[img.fark.net image 850x334]


What do you mean by similar? You have been there?
 
2014-08-01 04:46:31 PM  

Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!


Actually, most of the people alive today may very well not suffer from it at all, or very little.  Our grandchildren will, though.

thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2014-08-01 05:28:14 PM  
"...concentrations of methane in the air near the bottom of the crater, up to 50,000 times the normal level"

A "hold my beer and watch this" moment in the making when someone tosses a lit torch down the hole.
 
2014-08-01 05:44:34 PM  
Probably.
news.doddleme.com
 
2014-08-01 06:07:41 PM  

Kibbler: Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!

Actually, most of the people alive today may very well not suffer from it at all, or very little.  Our grandchildren will, though.

thatsthejoke.jpg


The calculations people like to toss around about global warming don't account for the acceleration of warming as the permafrost (and deep ocean) suddenly start releasing retarded amounts of stored methane.

Most people are alive at the time their grandchildren are alive.
 
2014-08-01 06:09:57 PM  
Sooooo... the "Clathrate Gun Hypothesis" is starting to look a bit more likely, huh?
 
2014-08-01 06:14:32 PM  

SVenus: Gee, I wonder if this has ever happened before
[clicks maps link for satellite image of Yamal peninsula]
hmm. seems like that hole fits right in with a lot of other similar holes.
Why is this hole special?
[img.fark.net image 850x334]


Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the peninsula of Yamal?
 
2014-08-01 06:16:38 PM  
I've always thought Siberian holes were mysterious, but that's just me.
 
2014-08-01 06:22:13 PM  

DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!

No I live on Earth, I just don't see me dying prematurely just because it gets a little warmer.

Hahah yeah, that's the problem is it will be warmer. Not that sea levels will introduce new coastlines not seen in over 150,000 years. Or that weather patterns will make it impossible to use the central US as a bread basket anymore. Or the water wars that will occur up and down the western US coast. It will be that it's warmer.
 
2014-08-01 06:36:14 PM  

AgentPothead: DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!

No I live on Earth, I just don't see me dying prematurely just because it gets a little warmer.
Hahah yeah, that's the problem is it will be warmer. Not that sea levels will introduce new coastlines not seen in over 150,000 years. Or that weather patterns will make it impossible to use the central US as a bread basket anymore. Or the water wars that will occur up and down the western US coast. It will be that it's warmer.


I didn't respond to his post because he's obviously a troll. Nobody who can use a computer could be that stupid or he would have died by forgetting to breathe or something. In fact, I defy him to come back and argue that he actually is that stupid.
 
2014-08-01 06:47:34 PM  

SVenus: Gee, I wonder if this has ever happened before
[clicks maps link for satellite image of Yamal peninsula]
hmm. seems like that hole fits right in with a lot of other similar holes.
Why is this hole special?
[img.fark.net image 850x334]


The water filled ones look a lot like kettle lakes. Basically a chunk of ice that gets run over by a glacier and is punched into the substrate. Ice melts, holes remain. They are very common.

New hole is formed in an entirely different manner.

Remember: not all holes are the same. It's really a sort of life lesson.
 
2014-08-01 07:29:15 PM  
I just assumed the Silver Surfer showed up...
 
2014-08-01 07:54:40 PM  

mutterfark: Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the peninsula of Yamal?


give yourself 100 internet points. kudos.
 
2014-08-01 07:55:43 PM  

Surool: AgentPothead: DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!

No I live on Earth, I just don't see me dying prematurely just because it gets a little warmer.
Hahah yeah, that's the problem is it will be warmer. Not that sea levels will introduce new coastlines not seen in over 150,000 years. Or that weather patterns will make it impossible to use the central US as a bread basket anymore. Or the water wars that will occur up and down the western US coast. It will be that it's warmer.

I didn't respond to his post because he's obviously a troll. Nobody who can use a computer could be that stupid or he would have died by forgetting to breathe or something. In fact, I defy him to come back and argue that he actually is that stupid.


Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.
 
2014-08-01 11:03:09 PM  

DubtodaIll: Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.


I knew you could do it!
 
2014-08-01 11:09:40 PM  

Surool: DubtodaIll: Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.

I knew you could do it!


Ok so please what is your reasonable position on it? Simple that we're farked and you're just going to roll over and take it?
 
2014-08-01 11:32:48 PM  
 
2014-08-01 11:36:05 PM  

Dinodork: Remember: not all holes are the same. It's really a sort of life lesson.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-01 11:49:16 PM  

DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.

I knew you could do it!

Ok so please what is your reasonable position on it? Simple that we're farked and you're just going to roll over and take it?


There really isn't anything we can do that can stop the damage the methane will cause. It isn't human created, we can't fix it, and we can't stop it from being released from the permafrost and deep ocean.
 
2014-08-01 11:57:45 PM  

Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.

I knew you could do it!

Ok so please what is your reasonable position on it? Simple that we're farked and you're just going to roll over and take it?

There really isn't anything we can do that can stop the damage the methane will cause. It isn't human created, we can't fix it, and we can't stop it from being released from the permafrost and deep ocean.


And you believe this spells the end of humanity?
 
2014-08-02 12:58:38 AM  

DubtodaIll: Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.


See, the problem with this is the "hard times ahead" have been predicted for a few decades now with ample opportunity to make them not so "hard", while a  very entrenched and entirely self-interested minority have made it their lives' endeavors to do just the opposite in the name of temporal gain. Moving forward as times get "harder" this circumstance is highly unlikely to change for the better, and in all likelihood likely to change for the  worse as that formerly entrenched and self-interested minority will realize the money is in profiting off the mess they created.

No thanks to people who refuse to see a problem, and/or leave it to future generations to clean up their own messes. Because obviously, a pound of cure is always better than an ounce of prevention.

To say this is an act of hubris or anthropocentrism is the very height of fallacy and foolishness. Of course it's anthropocentric, because this isn't about the Earth or the sum survival of life on it -- it's about the species' -- or perhaps more appropriate,  civilization's -- survival. Nobody disputes the Earth will be here regardless what humans do in the foreseeable future, and life on Earth isn't going anywhere. If life can survive the P-T event, nothing humans can do will stop it. Likewise, humans survived the Toba event, and probably stands a damned good chance of surviving whatever global warming can do...the question is in what shape will humanity be on the other end.

All signs and even the most negligent of observance of human nature points to "not for the better". If climate change doesn't do human civilization in, squabbling over resources almost certainly will.
 
2014-08-02 01:08:26 AM  
img.fark.net

Holes are cool
 
2014-08-02 01:08:59 AM  
DubtodaIll: There really isn't anything we can do that can stop the damage the methane will cause. It isn't human created, we can't fix it, and we can't stop it from being released from the permafrost and deep ocean.

And you believe this spells the end of humanity?

Not the end, but most likely civilization as we know it could be at risk.  What do you think the likely result of 2 billion or so people being displaced by rapidly rising sea levels will be?   You think that might result in a war or two?

Take a look at a few current hot spots, do you realize how much of Israel is below sea level?  It's a real possibility that a 15-20 ft rise in sea level could bring huge salt water flooding to that entire region, affecting Israel, Jordan, et al.  You think things are bad now over disputed lands, I wouldn't want to be around when the water starts running non-stop through the Jordan Rift Valley into the Dead Sea, which is nearly 1400 ft below Sea Level.   Just the damage occurring through the flooding alone would be tremendous.

In Crimea, a rise in sea level of 20 ft would put the Russian Naval base in Sevastopol underwater, one of the primary reasons for their reason invasion of the Ukraine.

The entire city of Shanghai would become uninhabitable in very short order, as well as high population density cities in India which would have a massive impact on the need for the rest of us to either try and absorb all of those people or start a shooting war to keep them out.

If you think this is going to be some sort of orderly, well-planned process - just think what happened during Katrina and then multiply it by all the people in the US alone who could easily be displaced by such rises in sea level or by extended drought for that matter.

Most people only think of Global Warming as some kind of abstract notion, when they should be thinking about what impact it will have on people and how it will inevitably drive mass amounts of people to do lots of stupid things which is only going to make matters worse.  It's not so much about the warming, it's about how a lot of what we have now is going to disappear if things go South, and with a negative feedback loop of massive methane releases from the permafrost around the world, we may all experience this quite a bit sooner than we are thinking.  (I hope to hell I'm wrong, but I kind of doubt after reading the scientific literature on this topic over the last decade.)
 
2014-08-02 01:22:24 AM  

DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Just because things will change doesn't mean the world will end. Doomsday preachers have never ever been right. Humans are just as natural as anything else on Earth and it's hubris to think we could actually break this planet. We have however discovered that we are able to change our environment on a larger scale than ever in our history. Through our ability to observe and invent (a characteristic second to none on this planet) we have a strong chance of not only overcoming but thriving in any environmental change we encounter. Of course, that's not to say here aren't hard times ahead.

I knew you could do it!

Ok so please what is your reasonable position on it? Simple that we're farked and you're just going to roll over and take it?

There really isn't anything we can do that can stop the damage the methane will cause. It isn't human created, we can't fix it, and we can't stop it from being released from the permafrost and deep ocean.

And you believe this spells the end of humanity?


I didn't say it would end humanity. I know it is difficult, but try not to embellish my statements.
 
2014-08-02 03:16:23 AM  

DubtodaIll: Surool: DubtodaIll: Surool: Marcus Aurelius: Methane is 30 times more effective as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

When the permafrost starts burping in earnest, this party will really get hot.

We're pretty much completely f*cked at this point.

You might be, I'm not.  Though there will certainly be some change I'll have to deal with.

I didn't realize that there were Farkers that didn't live on Earth. Congratulations!

No I live on Earth, I just don't see me dying prematurely just because it gets a little warmer.


Methane breaks down in the atmosphere by reacting with oxygen. When the clathrate gun fires the oxygen content of the atmosphere drops a lot. Look at the Permian extinction. On land the only larger species to survive were those adapted to very high altitudes with low oxygen levels. Far more died in the ocean, which became acidic and anoxic. The precipitates from that time were mostly from anaerobic bacteria.

The rate of change is thought to be on the order of decades or less.
 
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