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(Talking Points Memo)   Top men in House GOP agree they can't ask Obama to act without Congress's approval one day after suing Obama for acting without Congress's approval   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 69
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2014-08-01 12:12:15 PM  
Who?
 
2014-08-01 12:16:14 PM  

somedude210: Who?


Top.

Men.
 
2014-08-01 12:17:15 PM  

somedude210: Who?


Top. Men.
 
2014-08-01 12:17:15 PM  

somedude210: Who?


i.ytimg.com

TOP. MEN.
 
2014-08-01 12:17:56 PM  
Rassafrassin peasandcarrots peasandcarrots
 
2014-08-01 12:23:25 PM  
Gee whiz. You mean frivolous litigation has immediate real-world consequences?
 
2014-08-01 12:24:07 PM  
Or for that matter, even the threat of ligitation.
 
2014-08-01 12:24:39 PM  
"Look, you can't say on the one hand that the President's overreaching by acting without legislative authority and direction, and then refuse to give him legislative authority and direction in another area,"

Sure you can. The GOP have done nothing but that for a while. It's basically the "empty suit/tyrant" thing.

Obama's an empty suit who doesn't do anything on odd numbered days and he's a merciless tyrant overstepping his authority on even numbered days.

That noted, it's nice to see that the GOP are gradually growing aware that more people are onto their obvious partisan stunts.
 
2014-08-01 12:44:43 PM  

Shostie: somedude210: Who?

Top.

Men.



Tom Cole. aka "The sane one from Oklahoma."
 
2014-08-01 12:48:29 PM  
"I'm not going to point a lot of fingers at the president until we get our own job done."

I'm sure someone will pick up the slack.
 
2014-08-01 12:55:07 PM  
Huh. Normally, Republicans dont have any problems with cognitive dissonance.
 
2014-08-01 12:57:30 PM  
"Look, you can't say on the one hand that the President's overreaching by acting without legislative authority and direction, and then refuse to give him legislative authority and direction in another area," he said.

You're absolutely right.  It is completely dumbassed to do so.

"We've got a good bill that actually addresses the problem, a problem the President has identified but refused to produce a solution to, provides an adequate amount of money to get us to the end of the year,"

You big dummy.
 
2014-08-01 12:57:57 PM  
Isn't it ironic, ya think?
 
2014-08-01 12:58:29 PM  
If you fail to see what giant ass clowns the GOP House members have become, you are yourself a giant ass clown.
 
2014-08-01 01:05:08 PM  

vernonFL: Huh. Normally, Republicans dont have any problems with cognitive dissonance.


This one apparently outstrips even their ability to maintain.
 
2014-08-01 01:36:31 PM  
I'm sure there's a couple of bottoms in there, too
 
2014-08-01 01:45:40 PM  

Cake Hunter: somedude210: Who?

Top. Men.


Serious Black: somedude210: Who?

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

TOP. MEN.


nicely done on the simlu-post, gentlemen
 
2014-08-01 02:06:37 PM  
There are not clown shoes big enough for these people.
 
2014-08-01 02:07:09 PM  
TPM

The republican party definitely makes me face palm far too often.

TPM
 
2014-08-01 02:07:20 PM  
I can't wait to see what piece of garbage they eventually pass.

I hope it includes putting Obama under house arrest or something.
 
2014-08-01 02:07:29 PM  
I just pulled a muscle in my neck doing a double-take after reading that a GOP politician was being internally consistent.
 
2014-08-01 02:07:38 PM  
Moment of clarity?  RINO!!!!!  Better primary his ass out.
 
2014-08-01 02:09:40 PM  

Karac: "Look, you can't say on the one hand that the President's overreaching by acting without legislative authority and direction, and then refuse to give him legislative authority and direction in another area," he said.

You're absolutely right.  It is completely dumbassed to do so.

"We've got a good bill that actually addresses the problem, a problem the President has identified but refused to produce a solution to, provides an adequate amount of money to get us to the end of the year,"

You big dummy.


Unless Obama gets himself elected to Congress and then gets a bill he wrote personally passed it doesn't count.  That's a rule in the Constitution.
 
2014-08-01 02:10:13 PM  
TPM

I am starting to think they are on the Vroomfondel arguments page of the book and think it is a good approach.

TPM
 
2014-08-01 02:12:19 PM  
How many topic tags does this simultaneously qualify for?
 
2014-08-01 02:12:24 PM  
These guys would suck at the childhood game Red Light / Green Light.
 
2014-08-01 02:12:40 PM  
Top man in the House means Ted Cruz.  You fool nobody, Boehner.
 
2014-08-01 02:13:38 PM  
Here's the thing: this hypocrisy has been going on for weeks...

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The current border crisis is the result of Obama following a law signed in 2008 by President George W. Bush and designed to save children from human trafficking. The law created different rules for children hailing from nations contiguous to America - Mexico and Canada - and children from elsewhere. For children coming from the two contiguous nations, Border Patrol agents can use their discretion to quickly send them home to their families. But since repatriation is more logistically complicated for children coming from farther away, the law requires the Department of Health and Human Services to provide housing and care as well as the guidance to seek legal counsel, which generally puts them on a path for a formal judicial review.

Speaker Boehner has now proposed changing that law, saying last week, "I think we all agree that the non-contiguous countries, that now we're required to hold those people, I think clearly, we would probably want the language similar to what we have with Mexico." But to apply the language we have with Mexico to Central American child migrants, you'd have to empower Obama's Border Patrol agents - and effectively, Obama - to decide if those children must go back. While Boehner wants to pass new legislation expanding Obama's executive power, other Republicans just want Obama to assert his Oval Office authority without action by Congress. On Fox News Sunday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry repeatedly shrugged off the stipulations of the 2008 law and suggested Obama solve the problem on his own by deploying the National Guard to block entry at the border. Fox's Brit Hume incredulously responded, "Are they really going to be deterred by the presence of troops along the border who won't shoot them and can't arrest them?"


House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers [Republican, Michigan's 8th District] said on Meet The Press that Obama "has tools in his toolbox that he can use immediately to stop this," citing Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein's interpretation of the 2008 law which she co-authored. What Rogers chose not to highlight on national television is that Feinstein says Obama has the power to modify how the law is being implemented by directing the Department of Homeland Security to write new regulations - exactly the type of action that has prompted all the Republican talk of lawsuits and impeachment on other issues.

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This isn't just a single statement by Boehner in a vacuum. The GOP, for weeks, have been saying Obama should act unilaterally as they've pushed to sue him for acting unilaterally. Boehner tried pushing the buck onto Obama and Border Patrol in the middle of July. Another of their ranks, someone that holds the position of Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said the same thing that Boehner's statement from yesterday said ... but he said it two weeks ago.
 
2014-08-01 02:16:29 PM  
It'll take decades for republicans to extricate themselves from the festering cesspool of self-contradiction and internal acrimony they've been diving into for the last several years. Hopefully they jusy keep doubling down.
 
2014-08-01 02:16:57 PM  
Perry want Obama to deploy the NG to block the border? Is he truly so stupid as to think that would stop the problem? First of all, they'd never be able to block the whole border, and secondly, what are they gonna do if people just walk through them? Shoot children?
 
2014-08-01 02:18:34 PM  
How many of you would take this bet?

I select 1,000 comment sections talking about immigration at random from right wing sites, mainstream sites and left wing sites in equal proportion.  My bet is that if you were to go through all of them, there wouldn't be a single verifiable economic fact posted by anyone on the right in any of them.  If you found just one legitimate argument in favor of right-wing styled immigration reform anywhere in 1,000 different comment sections, you would win the bet.  Would anybody take that?
 
2014-08-01 02:19:32 PM  
Just reading Boehner's statements, on any issue whatsoever, and hearing his voice in my head makes me want to vomit.
 
2014-08-01 02:20:26 PM  
Top men?

I thought GOP leaders were mostly bottoms?
 
2014-08-01 02:21:59 PM  

doctor wu: It'll take decades for republicans to extricate themselves from the festering cesspool of self-contradiction and internal acrimony they've been diving into for the last several years. Hopefully they jusy keep doubling down.


TPM

I would like to see their flowchard diagram that they are using to make desisions.  I have a suspicion that somebody's child made some extra marks on it on a 'bring your child to work' day.  Possibly some scribbling with crayons.

TPM
 
2014-08-01 02:22:24 PM  

SnakeLee: How many of you would take this bet?

I select 1,000 comment sections talking about immigration at random from right wing sites, mainstream sites and left wing sites in equal proportion.  My bet is that if you were to go through all of them, there wouldn't be a single verifiable economic fact posted by anyone on the right in any of them.  If you found just one legitimate argument in favor of right-wing styled immigration reform anywhere in 1,000 different comment sections, you would win the bet.  Would anybody take that?


False equivalency is false, no matter how many times you tell yourself that the derp exists equally on both sides.
 
2014-08-01 02:22:25 PM  

doctor wu: Just reading Boehner's statements, on any issue whatsoever, and hearing his voice in my head makes me want to vomit.


Boehner was drunk and may vomit also
 
2014-08-01 02:27:05 PM  

doctor wu: It'll take decades for republicans to extricate themselves from the festering cesspool of self-contradiction and internal acrimony they've been diving into for the last several years. Hopefully they jusy keep doubling down.


Did you ever watch Hardcore Pawn, where someone tries the most ridiculous scam imaginable, then blames everyone else for being called on their own stupidity? They invariably say something like, "WHY DON'T YOU ESCORT ME OUT IF YOU CAN PROVE I'M LYING?", it's proven they're lying, and they get escorted out...

trutv.turner.com.edgesuite.net

...right now, the Republicans are shouting "I'LL SUE YOU FOR ESCORTING ME OUT, AFTER I SAID YOU SHOULD DO THAT."

Yeah, you're not convincing anyone that this whole mess you've made for yourselves is something it isn't.
 
2014-08-01 02:28:05 PM  

SnakeLee: How many of you would take this bet?

I select 1,000 comment sections talking about immigration at random from right wing sites, mainstream sites and left wing sites in equal proportion.  My bet is that if you were to go through all of them, there wouldn't be a single verifiable economic fact posted by anyone on the right in any of them.  If you found just one legitimate argument in favor of right-wing styled immigration reform anywhere in 1,000 different comment sections, you would win the bet.  Would anybody take that?


TPM

I might take that given the subjective terms you included in the parameters.  'just one legitimate argument in favor of right-wing styled immigration reform' includes too many outs.  You need to define it more rigidly.  What makes something right-wing?  Can it ba anything a right-wing person advocates?  Or does it need to be a position that is only advocated by people identified as 'right-wing'?  I could see some right wing people potentially advocating for something universally accepted.  Like 'there needs to be an immigration process'.  Would that count?

TPM
 
2014-08-01 02:29:06 PM  

Tricky Chicken: doctor wu: It'll take decades for republicans to extricate themselves from the festering cesspool of self-contradiction and internal acrimony they've been diving into for the last several years. Hopefully they jusy keep doubling down.

TPM

I would like to see their flowchard diagram that they are using to make desisions.  I have a suspicion that somebody's child made some extra marks on it on a 'bring your child to work' day.  Possibly some scribbling with crayons.

TPM


Yep. I was thinking that just as the Sarah Palin fiasco had a movie, there should be a mini-series depicting the various thought processes involved in some of the glorious ant-Obama activities undertaken by these august public servants.
 
2014-08-01 02:29:12 PM  

quatchi: That noted, it's nice to see that the GOP are gradually growing aware that more people are onto their obvious partisan stunts.


I disagree, I want them to keep it up.
 
2014-08-01 02:35:01 PM  

NateAsbestos: quatchi: That noted, it's nice to see that the GOP are gradually growing aware that more people are onto their obvious partisan stunts.

I disagree, I want them to keep it up.


Oh, just because the GOP is aware that people are on to them doesn't mean for one second they are going to stop. Not at all.
 
2014-08-01 02:37:28 PM  

doctor wu: SnakeLee: How many of you would take this bet?

I select 1,000 comment sections talking about immigration at random from right wing sites, mainstream sites and left wing sites in equal proportion.  My bet is that if you were to go through all of them, there wouldn't be a single verifiable economic fact posted by anyone on the right in any of them.  If you found just one legitimate argument in favor of right-wing styled immigration reform anywhere in 1,000 different comment sections, you would win the bet.  Would anybody take that?

False equivalency is false, no matter how many times you tell yourself that the derp exists equally on both sides.


So when he said you won't find facts from anyone on the right, no matter the site, that was a BSAB argument in your head?
 
2014-08-01 02:37:37 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Is [Perry] truly so stupid as to...


Oh absolutely, no matter what stupidity you finish that sentence with. I honestly believe he could give Gohmert a run for his money in the stupid Olympics
 
2014-08-01 02:38:45 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: NateAsbestos: quatchi: That noted, it's nice to see that the GOP are gradually growing aware that more people are onto their obvious partisan stunts.

I disagree, I want them to keep it up.

Oh, just because the GOP is aware that people are on to them doesn't mean for one second they are going to stop. Not at all.


Good... laughing at idiots is one of my favorite passtimes!
 
2014-08-01 02:42:17 PM  

vernonFL: Huh. Normally, Republicans dont have any problems with cognitive dissonance.


But is it really cognitive dissonance if there is no dissonance, that is, no internal stress of conflict from the contradiction in beliefs.  It's almost like they find the contradictions comforting.  Maybe cognitive psychosis would be a more accurate term.
 
2014-08-01 02:46:20 PM  

NateAsbestos: Farkin_Crazy: NateAsbestos: quatchi: That noted, it's nice to see that the GOP are gradually growing aware that more people are onto their obvious partisan stunts.

I disagree, I want them to keep it up.

Oh, just because the GOP is aware that people are on to them doesn't mean for one second they are going to stop. Not at all.

Good... laughing at idiots is one of my favorite passtimes!


You should check out this new comedy channel I came across the other day. C-SPAN.
 
2014-08-01 02:47:46 PM  
Before we get too excited about logic coming from the GOP, let me quote a couple of lines from a Carly Simon song about marital infidelity.

"The first year I was faithful," he confesses to the girl, admitting to the least of his sins. His candor, so disarming in this wicked city world; she falls for it and once again he wins.
 
2014-08-01 02:56:32 PM  

Tricky Chicken: SnakeLee: How many of you would take this bet?

TPM

I might take that given the subjective terms you included in the parameters.  'just one legitimate argument in favor of right-wing styled immigration reform' includes too many outs.  You need to define it more rigidly.  What makes something right-wing?  Can it ba anything a right-wing person advocates?  Or does it need to be a position that is only advocated by people identified as 'right-wing'?  I could see some right wing people potentially advocating for something universally accepted.  Like 'there needs to be an immigration process'.  Would that count?

TPM


Okay what I originally meant was just one instance of an argument like:

Area X has a huge amount of immigrants and they all arrived in year Y.  Since that time, crime has risen at ZZ%

or

Illegal immigration costs the United States $Z Trillion dollars a year due to factors V & W.  If you go to economic journal U, you can see that country T implemented a measure similar to what I want the United States to implement and it had a positive economic effect.

Then I realized you would never see that in a billion years.  I am starting to just think anything other than "they increase crime", "they are in gangs," "they are taking a ton of welfare money," "they took our jobs" or "they have a bunch of diseases" would qualify.  Or even one of those with actual proof behind it.
 
2014-08-01 03:03:42 PM  
Are those gang signs or quarterback signals. Or is this guy playing gangsta football on the taxpayer dime? Tax hike?


a1.img.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2014-08-01 03:08:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There are not clown shoes big enough for these people.


And yet there is a good chance they will take the Senate this year.  We are boned.
 
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