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(Cumberland Sentinel)   Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture cracks down on the menace of unregulated seed libraries, thus rescuing the state from going full Somalia - too late for Philadishu, however   (cumberlink.com) divider line 69
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2014-08-02 03:09:06 AM  
"Agri-terrorism is a very, very real scenario,"

Is it really? I mean, how does a seed library facilitate "agri-terrorism"? If you wanted to spread an invasive or poisonous plant wouldn't you, I dunno, PLANT IT?
 
2014-08-02 03:10:30 AM  
Oh, and I can't find any information about this "Seed Act of 2004" (all the Google hits are links to an Indian law) but how much do you want to bet Monsanto (or some company like them) is behind it?
 
2014-08-02 05:18:25 AM  
"Seed Act of 2004", aka the "Protect Agri-Corps Act of 2004".  This is pure cronyism.
 
2014-08-02 05:24:06 AM  
Won't someone think of the plants?
 
2014-08-02 05:31:06 AM  
Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?
 
2014-08-02 05:37:20 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?


The seeds for both of those totally look the same.
 
2014-08-02 05:47:45 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?


2/10
 
2014-08-02 05:54:07 AM  
Someone has to crack down on those library hooligans. What's next? They could start lending out information printed on paper. Information that is not fully tested and sanctioned by the government. Then where would we be? We would be a bunch of misinformed idiots who helped the agri-terrorists win. When will the madness end?
 
2014-08-02 05:58:32 AM  

donh: Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?

2/10


No, it doesn't even really rank that high.
 
2014-08-02 06:04:20 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: donh: Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?

2/10

No, it doesn't even really rank that high.


  :-)
 
2014-08-02 06:06:23 AM  
I'll just go ahead and be "that guy". We've spend decades asking for government to do everything for us and be involved in every aspect of of lives. This kind of shiat is a small part of the result. A vision of the future isn't a boot stamping on a human face forever. It's an army of busybody code enforcement agents managing every aspect of your life, for your own good of course. This is one of those ideas where it seems like such a great idea to some people in theory.

"Well we can't just have people planting their own crops and *GASP* sharing those seeds with others! What if they do something wrong? What if they make the wrong decisions? We'd better just manage it for them. And of course make not welcoming our advice a crime"

Repeat ad nauseam ad infinitum for everything from lightbulbs to what kind of grass you can have in your lawn, what you can grow, how you can paint your house, etc etc etc. We've allowed them to write municipal codes and FDA/EPA/a dozen other 3 letter agencies Acts that control pretty much everything you can possible try to do. Most of the time you don't notice it because we've been conditioned to just think it's normal and acceptable. Of COURSE you need a permit to plant that. Of COURSE you need to pay a fee to do that. Of COURSE you need a license to own that. How dare you even consider just living without asking permission, paying the fees, getting the right forms stamped and getting approval.

\Not trolling
 
2014-08-02 06:20:56 AM  

taurusowner: How dare you even consider just living without asking permission, paying the fees, getting the right forms stamped and getting approval.


The person who introduced starlings was just living. As was the person who introduced lion fish. As was the person who introduced mongoose (mongeese? mongooses?).
 
2014-08-02 06:24:42 AM  

fusillade762: Oh, and I can't find any information about this "Seed Act of 2004" (all the Google hits are links to an Indian law) but how much do you want to bet Monsanto (or some company like them) is behind it?

http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_6 _2 _75292_10297_0_43/AgWebsite/ProgramDetail.aspx?name=Seed&navid=12&pare ntnavid=0&palid=76&;
 
2014-08-02 06:33:25 AM  
Right or wrong, I admire how they came out and played the terrorism card as justification.
 
2014-08-02 06:55:25 AM  
I'm not saying it was Monsanto, but it was Monsanto.
 
2014-08-02 07:04:53 AM  
The problem is our government is not big enough.
 
2014-08-02 07:05:41 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: donh: Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?

4/20

No, it doesn't even really rank that high.


FTFY
 
2014-08-02 07:06:39 AM  

runwiz: Right or wrong, I admire how they came out and played the terrorism card as justification.


How else are they going to justify their salaries?  And an obvious cronyist-legislation?
/terrorism; safely keeping authoritarians employed since 2001.
 
2014-08-02 07:08:02 AM  
Like that refrain from Fiddler on the Roof: "Cooooorruuuuuption! Corruption!"Jeesh, that is some mightly fine cronyism there Lou.
 
2014-08-02 07:08:19 AM  
If those seeds entered the country from mexico it would be totally ok, though
 
2014-08-02 07:28:20 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?


I know I have a pretty hard time telling which seeds are corn and which are potatoes. I've given up on beans and peas entirely.
 
2014-08-02 07:37:18 AM  

TopoGigo: Pointy Tail of Satan: Makes sense. Who really knows what kinds of seeds you would get? How would you like to plant corn, and end up in court because every tenth seed was marijuana?

I know I have a pretty hard time telling which seeds are corn and which are potatoes. I've given up on beans and peas entirely.


Pot....potato...coincidince?
 
2014-08-02 07:49:05 AM  
"Agri-terrorism is a very, very real scenario,"


i762.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-02 08:09:15 AM  

fusillade762: Oh, and I can't find any information about this "Seed Act of 2004" (all the Google hits are links to an Indian law) but how much do you want to bet Monsanto (or some company like them) is behind it?


Yes. Blame the company and not the legislative branch. Vote incumbent.
 
2014-08-02 08:27:46 AM  

taurusowner: I'll just go ahead and be "that guy". We've spend decades asking for government to do everything for us and be involved in every aspect of of lives. This kind of shiat is a small part of the result. A vision of the future isn't a boot stamping on a human face forever. It's an army of busybody code enforcement agents managing every aspect of your life, for your own good of course. This is one of those ideas where it seems like such a great idea to some people in theory.

"Well we can't just have people planting their own crops and *GASP* sharing those seeds with others! What if they do something wrong? What if they make the wrong decisions? We'd better just manage it for them. And of course make not welcoming our advice a crime"

Repeat ad nauseam ad infinitum for everything from lightbulbs to what kind of grass you can have in your lawn, what you can grow, how you can paint your house, etc etc etc. We've allowed them to write municipal codes and FDA/EPA/a dozen other 3 letter agencies Acts that control pretty much everything you can possible try to do. Most of the time you don't notice it because we've been conditioned to just think it's normal and acceptable. Of COURSE you need a permit to plant that. Of COURSE you need to pay a fee to do that. Of COURSE you need a license to own that. How dare you even consider just living without asking permission, paying the fees, getting the right forms stamped and getting approval.

\Not trolling



27b/6
 
2014-08-02 08:28:45 AM  
Well, agri-terrorism is a real scenario in that it could technically exist. But is it really likely that al-Qaeda is going to target the county seed library?
 
2014-08-02 08:35:23 AM  

BSABSVR: Well, agri-terrorism is a real scenario in that it could technically exist. But is it really likely that al-Qaeda is going to target the county seed library?


upload.wikimedia.org

Do you really want the answer to your question to come in the form of a mushroom cloud?
 
2014-08-02 08:52:32 AM  

BSABSVR: Well, agri-terrorism is a real scenario in that it could technically exist. But is it really likely that al-Qaeda is going to target the county seed library?


No, agro-terrorism is a stupid scenario.  Terrorists want drama, media time, and their names out there.  A fungus cutting into Monsanto's profit margin doesn't fit the bill.

Now economic warfare is another issue.  As a friend pointed out, when your economy is based on one product, phrases like "mighty nice corn fields you got there, it would be a damn shame if fungus started tearing it up...." are scary as heck.  And a competitor would not even give you warning.  Your crop fails due to some must or parasite and they role into your market share.  But a seed sharing program at a public library is not where that would start.
 
2014-08-02 09:16:31 AM  

fusillade762: Oh, and I can't find any information about this "Seed Act of 2004" (all the Google hits are links to an Indian law) but how much do you want to bet Monsanto (or some company like them) is behind it?


Of course they are. Congressmen don't write any laws, they only rubber stamp the ones written by big corporations.
 
2014-08-02 09:24:06 AM  

taurusowner: I'll just go ahead and be "that guy". We've spend decades asking for government to do everything for us and be involved in every aspect of of lives. This kind of shiat is a small part of the result. A vision of the future isn't a boot stamping on a human face forever. It's an army of busybody code enforcement agents managing every aspect of your life, for your own good of course. This is one of those ideas where it seems like such a great idea to some people in theory.

"Well we can't just have people planting their own crops and *GASP* sharing those seeds with others! What if they do something wrong? What if they make the wrong decisions? We'd better just manage it for them. And of course make not welcoming our advice a crime"

Repeat ad nauseam ad infinitum for everything from lightbulbs to what kind of grass you can have in your lawn, what you can grow, how you can paint your house, etc etc etc. We've allowed them to write municipal codes and FDA/EPA/a dozen other 3 letter agencies Acts that control pretty much everything you can possible try to do. Most of the time you don't notice it because we've been conditioned to just think it's normal and acceptable. Of COURSE you need a permit to plant that. Of COURSE you need to pay a fee to do that. Of COURSE you need a license to own that. How dare you even consider just living without asking permission, paying the fees, getting the right forms stamped and getting approval.

\Not trolling


basically agree with some caveats. I don't want crap in my drinking water and I don't want snake oil on the shelves.  Lightbulb type regulations? I'm on the fence.... don't care what lightbulb you use as long as you pay the full price of its use. If what you chose to do causes more pollution than the price of the product should reflect that on the other end. But I'm sure as shait don't want some municipality to tell me what I can have on my lawns or if I can have a vegetable garden or not or what color to paint my house. If I own it it's mine period.
 
2014-08-02 09:30:34 AM  
I guess y'all missed the part about making sure the seeds are what they purport to be when some bored suburbanite brings a bunch of seeds in.

And lol at the people claiming Monsanto is behind this.  Monsanto doesn't care about your backyard garden.
 
2014-08-02 09:35:09 AM  

sprgrss: I guess y'all missed the part about making sure the seeds are what they purport to be when some bored suburbanite brings a bunch of seeds in.

And lol at the people claiming Monsanto is behind this.  Monsanto doesn't care about your backyard garden.


Not individually, no they don't. And no one is saying Monsanto is behind this particular seed co-op being hassled. But it is very like Monsanto had a hand in the "Seed Act" as doing something to undermine any farming done without them is definitely a concern of theirs.
 
2014-08-02 09:36:21 AM  
, but commissioner Barbara Cross noted that such seed libraries on a large scale could very well pose a danger.
"Agri-terrorism is a very, very real scenario," she said. "Protecting and maintaining the food sources of America is an overwhelming challenge ... so you've got agri-tourism on one side and agri-terrorism on the other."


Commissioner Barbara Cross is a farking moron.   Not surprising she is an appointee of Corbett.
 
2014-08-02 09:38:48 AM  
 "Agri-terrorism is a very, very real scenario,"


Yes.  It is indeed a scenario.  A freaking stupid an unlikely one, but it is a real scenario.  Also, this is a very, very real post on the internet.
 
2014-08-02 09:38:57 AM  

kim jong-un: , but commissioner Barbara Cross noted that such seed libraries on a large scale could very well pose a danger.
"Agri-terrorism is a very, very real scenario," she said. "Protecting and maintaining the food sources of America is an overwhelming challenge ... so you've got agri-tourism on one side and agri-terrorism on the other."

Commissioner Barbara Cross is a farking moron.   Not surprising she is an appointee of Corbett.


Let's be honest, County Commissioners are a lot like school board members. Randomly pick 10 of them from any assortment of counties from any states you want and there's a good chance 8 or 9 of them are going to be farking morons.
 
2014-08-02 09:59:34 AM  

taurusowner: sprgrss: I guess y'all missed the part about making sure the seeds are what they purport to be when some bored suburbanite brings a bunch of seeds in.

And lol at the people claiming Monsanto is behind this.  Monsanto doesn't care about your backyard garden.

Not individually, no they don't. And no one is saying Monsanto is behind this particular seed co-op being hassled. But it is very like Monsanto had a hand in the "Seed Act" as doing something to undermine any farming done without them is definitely a concern of theirs.


No actual proof, but let's just jump to a conclusion not supported by known facts.  After all, it's not like there are a bunch of bullshiat myths circulating around the internet about monsanto that despite being proven to be false still get repeated time and time again.
 
2014-08-02 09:59:37 AM  
If weed ever becomes decriminalized on the federal level, how long till Monsanto gets in to the GMO weed business?
 
2014-08-02 10:03:13 AM  

fusillade762: Oh, and I can't find any information about this "Seed Act of 2004" (all the Google hits are links to an Indian law) but how much do you want to bet Monsanto (or some company like them) is behind it?


First thing I thought of as well. You know, beyond wondering if she really needed that second very. Or the first one, really.

...a very, very real scenario,"

Yeah, no.
 
2014-08-02 10:03:21 AM  

GDubDub: If weed ever becomes decriminalized on the federal level, how long till Monsanto gets in to the GMO weed business?


Probably a long as time since GMO costs a shiat ton to develop.  They'd rather get rice and wheat into the market along with other vegetables first given how much money they can make off those products.
 
2014-08-02 10:05:12 AM  

DerAppie: taurusowner: How dare you even consider just living without asking permission, paying the fees, getting the right forms stamped and getting approval.

The person who introduced starlings was just living. As was the person who introduced lion fish. As was the person who introduced mongoose (mongeese? mongooses?).


Wait, when did we have a mongoose infestation? I suspect you are in the pocket of Big Cobra.
 
2014-08-02 10:12:26 AM  

mrlewish: taurusowner: I'll just go ahead and be "that guy". We've spend decades asking for government to do everything for us and be involved in every aspect of of lives. This kind of shiat is a small part of the result. A vision of the future isn't a boot stamping on a human face forever. It's an army of busybody code enforcement agents managing every aspect of your life, for your own good of course. This is one of those ideas where it seems like such a great idea to some people in theory.

"Well we can't just have people planting their own crops and *GASP* sharing those seeds with others! What if they do something wrong? What if they make the wrong decisions? We'd better just manage it for them. And of course make not welcoming our advice a crime"

Repeat ad nauseam ad infinitum for everything from lightbulbs to what kind of grass you can have in your lawn, what you can grow, how you can paint your house, etc etc etc. We've allowed them to write municipal codes and FDA/EPA/a dozen other 3 letter agencies Acts that control pretty much everything you can possible try to do. Most of the time you don't notice it because we've been conditioned to just think it's normal and acceptable. Of COURSE you need a permit to plant that. Of COURSE you need to pay a fee to do that. Of COURSE you need a license to own that. How dare you even consider just living without asking permission, paying the fees, getting the right forms stamped and getting approval.

\Not trolling

basically agree with some caveats. I don't want crap in my drinking water and I don't want snake oil on the shelves.  Lightbulb type regulations? I'm on the fence.... don't care what lightbulb you use as long as you pay the full price of its use. If what you chose to do causes more pollution than the price of the product should reflect that on the other end. But I'm sure as shait don't want some municipality to tell me what I can have on my lawns or if I can have a vegetable garden or not or what color to paint my house. If I own it it's mine period.


Statists on Fark will essentially tell you that you don't own anything, you just have a limited right to use things as permitted by the State, in a cruel inversion of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

And daring to suggest that you might not want everything regulated and approved by various officials indicates that you want to move to Somalia. There is no middle ground, apparently.

"There oughta be a law!" Is one of the most pernicious and wicked pieces of bullshiat to ever give tinpot local dictators authority to do whatever they want, with befehl ist befehl its handy little friend.
 
2014-08-02 10:27:31 AM  
Gasoline for the doomsday survivalist insanity machine.
 
2014-08-02 10:27:55 AM  
Thank you, Commerce Clause.
 
2014-08-02 10:31:03 AM  

MemeSlave: Thank you, Commerce Clause.


It's not Congress.  This is state specific legislation.

Seriously, take a civics lesson.
 
2014-08-02 10:34:25 AM  

sprgrss: MemeSlave: Thank you, Commerce Clause.

It's not Congress.  This is state specific legislation.

Seriously, take a civics lesson.


You read the article?   You're on the wrong site dude.
 
2014-08-02 10:42:37 AM  
 
2014-08-02 10:59:58 AM  

sprgrss: I guess y'all missed the part about making sure the seeds are what they purport to be when some bored suburbanite brings a bunch of seeds in.


Yeah, because the biggest threat to our Precious Agricultural Fluids is definitely bogus seeds going into a home garden plot, where they'll be carefully tended by an individual who's watching daily to see how, and what, they grow.

"B-b-but we can't just let people leave seeds for others to plant! What if they lie about what kind of seeds they are? You have no idea how many Agri-Terrorists are ready to do exactly that! Instead of, you know, driving down a rural road tossing those seeds out their window."

I suppose I shouldn't complain, though. This commissioner may have single-handedly saved us from a dystopian future where a few gardeners find themselves with a garden full of heirloom mix tomatoes instead of Big Boys.
 
2014-08-02 11:20:12 AM  

krackpipe: Fortune's 10 most corrupt states, 2014 version


Pretty obvious list, for the most part. I named off three states before clicking your link and they ended up being #1, #2, and #5 on the list.
 
2014-08-02 11:27:26 AM  
Not to rain on the freedom-loving libertarian fist-pumping going on in here, but invasive species can be a problem if there are no natural predators in their new environment. Someone already mentioned starlings and lion fish, but there's also infestation of lakes by hydrilla weed from people dumping out their aquaria, dandelions were introduced to North America as a salad green, and everyone thinks kudzu is the best thing to happen to the South since Reconstruction. Unknown seeds can be the next problem weed.

Of course, heirloom tomatoes aren't the next kudzu, but it's nice to be careful with your agricultural output.

I know that this probably makes me a Statist who can't wipe his ass without a penny-pinching bureaucrat helping me, but I'm curious whether we should stop agricultural quarantine at customs checkpoints because preventing bootstrappy Americans from using their hard-earned dollars to bring whatever the fark they want into the country is Commie socialest fascism.
 
2014-08-02 11:29:40 AM  

OgreMagi: "Seed Act of 2004", aka the "Protect Agri-Corps Act of 2004".  This is pure cronyism.


Everything is now pure cronyism
 
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