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(London Evening Standard)   "The problem with Ebola for the more sensational sections of the media is that it's too good a scare story to pass up"   (standard.co.uk) divider line 51
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2014-08-01 09:01:57 PM
"This is my face. Please punch it. I understand. It has nothing to do with the content of my article, I know you didn't bother reading it but my face just needs punching. I mean just look at it. I might as well have 'Everlast' on my forehead. "

www.standard.co.uk
 
2014-08-01 09:23:18 PM

Mugato: "This is my face. Please punch it. I understand. It has nothing to do with the content of my article, I know you didn't bother reading it but my face just needs punching. I mean just look at it. I might as well have 'Everlast' on my forehead. "

[www.standard.co.uk image 53x56]


If you punched his face enough he would probably look like he had Ebola.
 
2014-08-01 10:14:52 PM
In other obvious news. Drew drinks and we have fark parties.
 
2014-08-01 10:17:50 PM
Ebola.
Just in time for the disintegration of the CDC.
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-08-01 10:18:25 PM
Well that, and the whole bleeding from every orifice thing, so yeah, riveting
 
2014-08-01 10:21:16 PM
And if you don't report on Ebola, some douche like this guy will complain about that too.
 
2014-08-01 10:28:54 PM
Crap. I was really hoping it would get out of hand and kill everyone.
 
2014-08-01 10:29:31 PM

Mugato: "This is my face. Please punch it. I understand. It has nothing to do with the content of my article, I know you didn't bother reading it but my face just needs punching. I mean just look at it. I might as well have 'Everlast' on my forehead. "

[www.standard.co.uk image 53x56]


My first thought was

www.jewornotjew.com

/also begs to be punched
 
2014-08-01 10:33:42 PM
You mean to tell me that posters on random internet forums might  NOT be experts in the management and treatment of Viral Hemorrhagic Fever, and might embellish the associated diseases with hollywood sensationalism and depictions?

www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-08-01 10:43:23 PM
it's just a cough

only a cough
 
2014-08-01 10:45:49 PM
Humanity needs a fresh start.  I think something to wipe out 80-90% of humans is just what is needed.
 
2014-08-01 10:48:10 PM

oukewldave: Humanity needs a fresh start.  I think something to wipe out 80-90% of humans is just what is needed.


Are we doing this at random? Who happens to survive Ebola? A scoring system which measures your value to society vs. oxygen consumption?
 
2014-08-01 10:56:01 PM
Ebola isnt covered on the bronze plan.
 
2014-08-01 10:59:44 PM
Back in the old days, I was working in an Intensive Care Unit when the Legionnaires Disease thing happened.  For you kids: The American Legion had a convention and a bunch of attendees suddenly and in the same conference center contracted a previously unknown respiratory illness that killed thirty out of 200 that caught the illness.  Nothing was known about infectious process, transmission, or treatment.  About all we knew was if you caught it, you were in big trouble.  And we didn't know how not to catch it.
They started hauling in a bunch of these sick guys and filled the ICU.  We put on as much isolation gear as was available and went to work.  I think everyone called their loved ones and made as much peace as possible on very short notice.  No one refused to step up and care for the sick.  We were as careful as possible but there were respiratory secretions spraying all over the place and we were pretty sure that was a very bad thing.  The unit was locked down and we weren't allowed to leave for awhile until the smart guys started figuring out what was going on with the disease.  No staff caught the disease but a lot of Legionnaires died before proper treatment was determined.  We were scared, no lie.
 
2014-08-01 11:03:12 PM

hardinparamedic: You mean to tell me that posters on random internet forums might  NOT be experts in the management and treatment of Viral Hemorrhagic Fever, and might embellish the associated diseases with hollywood sensationalism and depictions?

[www.quickmeme.com image 400x298]


static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-08-01 11:14:08 PM
No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.
 
2014-08-01 11:31:46 PM

Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.


I'll start worrying when it becomes airborne. Right now you need direct contact with their bodily fluids, usually infected blood or diarrhea. That's his point, it's not going to transmit easily in first world countries, which is where people reading the article likely live. It's still plenty deadly, and if I lived in some remote village in Africa I might worry about it, but most of us don't have to.
 
2014-08-01 11:33:44 PM

Pull the Plug on Grannie: oukewldave: Humanity needs a fresh start.  I think something to wipe out 80-90% of humans is just what is needed.

Are we doing this at random? Who happens to survive Ebola? A scoring system which measures your value to society vs. oxygen consumption?


Survival is determined in order of who saw Goatse.cx first, after which it's alphabetical by mother's maiden name.
 
2014-08-01 11:41:35 PM

pyrotek85: Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.

I'll start worrying when it becomes airborne. Right now you need direct contact with their bodily fluids, usually infected blood or diarrhea. That's his point, it's not going to transmit easily in first world countries, which is where people reading the article likely live. It's still plenty deadly, and if I lived in some remote village in Africa I might worry about it, but most of us don't have to.


They're flying some survivors in to Atlanta. I'm going to start worrying a little bit, if that's okay with you.
 
2014-08-01 11:43:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.


Who needs a hug?
 
2014-08-01 11:43:41 PM
I`m not worried about it but one of these days we will have to worry about it and the media will have us desensitized to these sorts of things.  Outside of the characteristics of the disease itself population density is the main determinant of the scope of any outbreak.  Population density is going to be increasing for a few years yet.
 
2014-08-01 11:51:34 PM

pyrotek85: Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.

I'll start worrying when it becomes airborne. Right now you need direct contact with their bodily fluids, usually infected blood or diarrhea. That's his point, it's not going to transmit easily in first world countries, which is where people reading the article likely live. It's still plenty deadly, and if I lived in some remote village in Africa I might worry about it, but most of us don't have to.


It's not airborne, but I thought that if someone sneezed on you and you got any of the droplets in your eyes/nose/mouth, that was enough to potentially infect you. That's why people working with Ebola patients are wearing goggles in addition to masks and gloves.
 
2014-08-01 11:56:07 PM

rynthetyn: pyrotek85: Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.

I'll start worrying when it becomes airborne. Right now you need direct contact with their bodily fluids, usually infected blood or diarrhea. That's his point, it's not going to transmit easily in first world countries, which is where people reading the article likely live. It's still plenty deadly, and if I lived in some remote village in Africa I might worry about it, but most of us don't have to.

It's not airborne, but I thought that if someone sneezed on you and you got any of the droplets in your eyes/nose/mouth, that was enough to potentially infect you. That's why people working with Ebola patients are wearing goggles in addition to masks and gloves.


I'm no expert, so maybe it is. Could depend on the strain too. Generally what I read is you need contact with blood/diarrhea, which is a bit harder for random people to do. I'm not saying we can't ever have an outbreak, but it's definitely harder to transmit than other diseases we've had to deal with.

Gyrfalcon: They're flying some survivors in to Atlanta. I'm going to start worrying a little bit, if that's okay with you.


Be my guest =P
 
2014-08-02 12:26:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.


Actually this epidemic has had a 55% mortality rate, and it's not that easy to transmit. Until symptoms start showing up (which, in this case, are pretty obvious), the patient is not contagious. You CAN get it from them sneezing on you if you happen to get it in mucus membranes or an open cut or whatever. But it's not very easy to spread otherwise and it's pretty obvious something is wrong if someone has it.

Also, ebola has a real low evolution rate due to its virility (which is obviously good).
 
2014-08-02 12:30:18 AM

Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.


It isn't actually that easy to transmit.  In particular, Ebola isn't likely to be contagious until you're showing symptoms and its aerosol transmission is very limited.  The per capita death mortality from Ebola in affected countries is still lower than the US death rate from a bad flu season.

Might be worthwhile to stock up on supplies if you live in Georgia, though. Less because of the virus and more because of the risk someone in the government decides to setup a quarantine and they stop importing food. Or worse. We've all seen Quarantine, right?
 
2014-08-02 12:33:55 AM
Give them blankets with SARS.
 
2014-08-02 12:46:27 AM

machoprogrammer: Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.

Actually this epidemic has had a 55% mortality rate, and it's not that easy to transmit. Until symptoms start showing up (which, in this case, are pretty obvious), the patient is not contagious. You CAN get it from them sneezing on you if you happen to get it in mucus membranes or an open cut or whatever. But it's not very easy to spread otherwise and it's pretty obvious something is wrong if someone has it.

Also, ebola has a real low evolution rate due to its virility (which is obviously good).


.. and the CDC is discovered storing Smallpox in a broom closet .. it's people which concerns me .. deadly stupid people ..
 
2014-08-02 12:49:29 AM
The thing thats really scary is all the "hah, its overhyped we can handle it sure remember not to panic" articles. We're past the laugh at it phase. Now we fight and then it wins.
 
2014-08-02 01:02:02 AM
api.ning.com
"Pete has Ebola. Do we look worried?"
 
2014-08-02 01:41:29 AM

Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.


This one is scarier because the kill rate is only 60%...enough folks live to get out of bed and spread the joy while they finish their recovery.
 
2014-08-02 04:00:40 AM

Clemkadidlefark: machoprogrammer: Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.

Actually this epidemic has had a 55% mortality rate, and it's not that easy to transmit. Until symptoms start showing up (which, in this case, are pretty obvious), the patient is not contagious. You CAN get it from them sneezing on you if you happen to get it in mucus membranes or an open cut or whatever. But it's not very easy to spread otherwise and it's pretty obvious something is wrong if someone has it.

Also, ebola has a real low evolution rate due to its virility (which is obviously good).

.. and the CDC is discovered storing Smallpox in a broom closet .. it's people which concerns me .. deadly stupid people ..


Mostly this.

It's not Ebola that scares me, it's the numbnuts at the extremes--the ones running around screeching OMG EBOLA! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! and the ones sitting in their mom's basement scoffing "Yeah, Ebola, hah, I live in America I'm safe nuthin' can get me here ha ha ha," as if this was merely another bad cold or overhyped Swine Flu epidemic.

And ffs, it's VIRULENCE, not "virility".
 
2014-08-02 06:20:21 AM

bonzeemer: [api.ning.com image 721x481]
"Pete has Ebola. Do we look worried?"


Is this from the new season of The Walking Dead? Or the cast of the spin-off series?
 
2014-08-02 08:18:22 AM

Clemkadidlefark: . and the CDC is discovered storing Smallpox in a broom closet .. it's people which concerns me .. deadly stupid people ..

When discussing current events, it helps to be able to differentiate between the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and the Centers for Disease Control.
 
2014-08-02 09:22:25 AM

Clemkadidlefark: .. and the CDC is discovered storing Smallpox in a broom closet .. it's people which concerns me .. deadly stupid people ..


IN THE FIFTIES.

FOR FARK'S SAKE.

I am getting tired of the whole "LOL CURRENT CDC FARKED UP ON SMALLPOX", because it is tiresome and ignoring the important point that

That. Vial. Was. Put. There. SIXTY. YEARS. AGO.

IT IS NOT A RECENT SCREW UP, and their lab standards have likely changed.

hardinparamedic: When discussing current events, it helps to be able to differentiate between the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and the Centers for Disease Control.


Probably also helps when the event is actually current, and not necessarily the *discovery* of a screw up that happened before most fark posters were born.
(Not snarking at you, mind. Just getting annoyed at the whole constant "LOL INCOMPETENCE". Do we even know what the lab standards then were?)
 
2014-08-02 09:39:15 AM

Felgraf: Probably also helps when the event is actually current, and not necessarily the *discovery* of a screw up that happened before most fark posters were born.
(Not snarking at you, mind. Just getting annoyed at the whole constant "LOL INCOMPETENCE". Do we even know what the lab standards then were?)


Or the fact that the room was literally left untouched and sealed for the past fifty years.
 
2014-08-02 11:25:23 AM

oukewldave: Humanity needs a fresh start.  I think something to wipe out 80-90% of humans is just what is needed.


Well, they picked an excellent metro area to bring it.
Atlanta is GROUND ZERO 2014.

www.thedailysheeple.com

Don't worry folks.  It's not Airborne!   You can only get it from body fluid

Says the guy with multiple layers of protection including goggles and a filter on his back
 
2014-08-02 12:00:57 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Says the guy with multiple layers of protection including goggles and a filter on his back


I think based on your assessment that we can safely disregard your opinion on the matter.
 
2014-08-02 01:33:10 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Don't worry folks.  It's not Airborne!   You can only get it from body fluid

Says the guy with multiple layers of protection including goggles and a filter on his back


The ebola patients that they're bringing to the US (what a great idea!), aren't they health care workers? So if even they can get contaminated (and they don't even know how they were contaminated) then maybe this disease isn't as preventable as simply not sharing dirty needles or receiving a load of infected semen up the ass.

Was there any proposal about nuking something from orbit, how it might be the only way to be sure?
 
2014-08-02 02:06:19 PM

hardinparamedic: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Says the guy with multiple layers of protection including goggles and a filter on his back

I think based on your assessment that we can safely disregard your opinion on the matter.



You think wrong, and not for the first time. One article did describe an air filter worn underneath the overclothes.

Seriously, why is it that in every Ebola thread, about 75% of the comments include some continually repeated assurances about all the ways that you CANNOT get it? Who are you all trying to convince? Are you just trying to reassure your own fears?
 
2014-08-02 03:38:31 PM
Look up a copy of the movie "Outbreak" (1995).  A small town in California is totally afflicted with an
Ebola-like virus with a 100% mortality rate, and the US government decides to bomb it off the map
to save humanity.
 
2014-08-02 05:40:12 PM

Felgraf: Clemkadidlefark: .. and the CDC is discovered storing Smallpox in a broom closet .. it's people which concerns me .. deadly stupid people ..

IN THE FIFTIES.

FOR FARK'S SAKE.

I am getting tired of the whole "LOL CURRENT CDC FARKED UP ON SMALLPOX", because it is tiresome and ignoring the important point that

That. Vial. Was. Put. There. SIXTY. YEARS. AGO.

IT IS NOT A RECENT SCREW UP, and their lab standards have likely changed.

hardinparamedic: When discussing current events, it helps to be able to differentiate between the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and the Centers for Disease Control.

Probably also helps when the event is actually current, and not necessarily the *discovery* of a screw up that happened before most fark posters were born.
(Not snarking at you, mind. Just getting annoyed at the whole constant "LOL INCOMPETENCE". Do we even know what the lab standards then were?)


I'm reading your CAPS and spacing inside them in William Shatner's Kirk speaking voice
 
2014-08-02 06:03:51 PM

WeenerGord: You think wrong, and not for the first time. One article did describe an air filter worn underneath the overclothes.


I don't care what one article described if that article was patently false. This entire episode has been a exercise in SyFy movie-style fearmongering on the disease. So yes, it's incredibly frustrating to see people post ignorance that is easily debunkable, and act like panic'd lambs.

 For one, other than the Reston Strain, Ebola is not droplet or airborne in it's manner of transmission. Every human Ebola strain, including Ebola Zaire - the strain responsible for the current outbreak - is transmitted by direct contact with blood or bodily fluids from infected people. The picture linked by said FARKer had people in N95 mask. What you are describing is known as either a canister filter gas mask, like the old Soviet military used, or a Powered Air Purifying Respirator. Both of which would be unlikely to be worn in a tropical-setting such as the outbreak location.

These people had rubber boots, rudimentary and often reused isolation gear, and paper masks and goggles. It's not surprising they eventually became infected with the virus in the field - and over 100 people have. Even sweating in that gear can render it unusable, and these people lost up to five liters a day in sweat.

You know that the CDC/USAMRIID/Texas Biotech/Porton Down/NIH NIAID agents in the field use gear similar to the US Military's MOPP gear, or specially designed Level B Hazmat suits for a reason when dealing with VHFs, right?

blogs.cdc.gov


WeenerGord: Seriously, why is it that in every Ebola thread, about 75% of the comments include some continually repeated assurances about all the ways that you CANNOT get it?


Because some idiot has seen  Outbreak (1995) and thinks it is an accurate portrail of what the Ebola virus is, how it spreads, and how lethal it is. Or they think the viral experts at SyFy told them correctly. It's outright frustrating to see people

WeenerGord: Who are you all trying to convince? Are you just trying to reassure your own fears?


www.blogcdn.com
 
2014-08-02 06:09:29 PM
Actually, I take that back. That's not even an N95 mask. It's a standard surgical mask.

media.npr.org
 
2014-08-02 06:14:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Ebola is not droplet or airborne in it's manner of transmission.



World Health Organization (WHO) head Margaret Chan disagrees with you

She told a summit of regional leaders that failure to contain Ebola could be "catastrophic" in terms of lives lost.

She said the outbreak was the deadliest and most widely spread, and had also demonstrated an ability to spread through air travel, unlike past outbreaks.


/ also, Ellen declares war
 
2014-08-02 06:25:29 PM

WeenerGord: World Health Organization (WHO) head Margaret Chan disagrees with you

She told a summit of regional leaders that failure to contain Ebola could be "catastrophic" in terms of lives lost.

She said the outbreak was the deadliest and most widely spread, and had also demonstrated an ability to spread through air travel, unlike past outbreaks.


I don't think she would agree as much as you think she would. In addition, limiting air travel in a region stricken with Ebola is always a concern with VHF. It's not a new thing. However, the great thing about that is that the majority of the victims of it have never seen an airplane, let alone have the money to travel to an airport before they die of the virus.

This is not an airborne virus. Transmission requires close contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person, also after death. Apart from this specific situation, the general public is not at high risk of infection by the Ebola virus.

- Dr. Margaret Chan, 1 August 2014.

In addition to this, genetic phenotyping and examination of the virus do not support the idea that this is any other than the known Ebola Zaire strain that has been catalogued and researched since the 1970s.
 
2014-08-02 06:27:41 PM

hardinparamedic: I don't think



What about the Ellen Declares War sign?
 
2014-08-02 06:30:22 PM

WeenerGord: hardinparamedic: I don't think


What about the Ellen Declares War sign?


I don't even get the reference. Sorry.
 
2014-08-02 06:36:25 PM

hardinparamedic: WeenerGord: hardinparamedic: I don't think


What about the Ellen Declares War sign?

I don't even get the reference. Sorry.



Somebody didn't read the article.

/ It's good to see Dave Chapelle volunteering, tho.
 
2014-08-02 07:47:58 PM
The real problem is lets say someone from Yemen gets his buddies together and like three go to Egypt, three go to new York and three go to get Eboyla. The three who get Eboyla just need to go to Egypt and end a week living with the three and pass it on. While those three have it they fly into new York and come down sick with it but stay inside while those three spread what turns out a few weeks later to be the biggest terrorist attack in history. Tom Chancy would be writing that as a book now if he wasn't dead.
 
2014-08-02 07:48:35 PM

Gyrfalcon: pyrotek85: Gyrfalcon: No, the problem with Ebola is this particular strain has a 70-90% fatality rate, there is no cure, it's fairly easy to transmit and you die bleeding from every orifice while your organs liquify. Oh, and there is no cure and it has a 70-90% fatality rate.

THAT'S the problem, you dumb sack of sh*t.

I'll start worrying when it becomes airborne. Right now you need direct contact with their bodily fluids, usually infected blood or diarrhea. That's his point, it's not going to transmit easily in first world countries, which is where people reading the article likely live. It's still plenty deadly, and if I lived in some remote village in Africa I might worry about it, but most of us don't have to.

They're flying some survivors in to Atlanta. I'm going to start worrying a little bit, if that's okay with you.


I wasn't worried about that part until I saw how they did it.  I expected an escort of some kind to make sure things went smooth.  I've seen more notice that a prebuilt oversized shed was being driven down the road that that Ebola ambulance had.  Now I'm worried.
 
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