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(Huffington Post)   Senators call for yet another Agency director to resign. Difficulty: This guy probably knows all about your kinky fetishes and the hookers you frequent   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2014-08-01 10:39:38 AM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2014-08-01 11:15:30 AM  
"The CIA is comprised of good men and women of integrity who sacrifice a great deal to protect our nation. The actions of a few risk tarnishing the work of many. The CIA's leadership must take action to address these misdeeds, restore its trust with Congress and ensure that this episode will never, ever be repeated."

Ah, going with the "few bad apples" thing are we, Harry?

I love the fact that it wasn't until they themselves were spied on (in an apparent attempt to intimidate Senators who were looking into the torture scandal, no less) that this became a big issue for them.

/Sorry, did I say "love"?
//That was wrong.
///What's the opposite of love again?
 
2014-08-01 11:43:21 AM  
It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags
 
2014-08-01 11:51:54 AM  
Yeah, but everybody in town knows that, so it's not going to affect me all that much.
 
2014-08-01 12:05:04 PM  
You'll only scar yourself with that information.
 
2014-08-01 12:07:22 PM  

bdub77: I'm OK with this.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags


I'm not ok with it for what Maudlin said. Fark members of congress. they didn't call for anyone to be fired or have even bothered to pass legislation to protect regular citizens from spying abuses. Until they do... I don't see why anyone at the CIA should even be reprimanded for spying on them.
 
2014-08-01 12:08:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags


So true. At the same time, at least something should be done about the government encroaching on our civil liberties. I would prefer it wasn't that just this small Committee has a carved out exception for spying. Quite seriously the people responsible should be jailed but that will probably never happen.
 
2014-08-01 12:44:07 PM  

kbronsito: bdub77: I'm OK with this.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags

I'm not ok with it for what Maudlin said. Fark members of congress. they didn't call for anyone to be fired or have even bothered to pass legislation to protect regular citizens from spying abuses. Until they do... I don't see why anyone at the CIA should even be reprimanded for spying on them.


First of all, the CIA isn't the NSA, so it's totally different departments doing the spying, but more broadly I still disagree, anything that works as a wake up call is a good thing, it's just a shame it took so long.
 
2014-08-01 01:30:33 PM  
Not Lurleen and the honey and the ants and Grandpa's duster?  Really???  He couldn't possibly...
 
2014-08-01 01:55:20 PM  
So does everyone else with a membership to sexwithiamweasel.com.

I killed your appetite, didn't I?
 
2014-08-01 02:14:35 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: So does everyone else with a membership to sexwithiamweasel.com.

I killed your appetite, didn't I?


not as bad as jarjarewoks.com
 
2014-08-01 03:07:48 PM  
so they get up in arms when it happens to them but if it happens to everyone else in the country they're good with it
 
2014-08-01 03:08:37 PM  
Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?
 
2014-08-01 03:10:01 PM  
This is a very smart and consistent move for Udall. He is in a real fight for reelection and this will play well in Colorado. A state where Democrats are not all that popular at the moment.
 
2014-08-01 03:11:05 PM  

somedude210: I_Am_Weasel: So does everyone else with a membership to sexwithiamweasel.com.

I killed your appetite, didn't I?

not as bad as jarjarewoks.com


www.episode7art.com
 
2014-08-01 03:11:45 PM  
R.I.P. Mark Udall.
 
2014-08-01 03:12:03 PM  

nmrsnr: kbronsito: bdub77: I'm OK with this.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags

I'm not ok with it for what Maudlin said. Fark members of congress. they didn't call for anyone to be fired or have even bothered to pass legislation to protect regular citizens from spying abuses. Until they do... I don't see why anyone at the CIA should even be reprimanded for spying on them.

First of all, the CIA isn't the NSA, so it's totally different departments doing the spying, but more broadly I still disagree, anything that works as a wake up call is a good thing, it's just a shame it took so long.


CIA is forbidden by law to spy on Americans.

Even more forbidden than the NSA is.

I am sure AG Holder will find his spine and initiate criminal proceedings against those Agency employees.

/LOL! Ain't never gonna happen
 
2014-08-01 03:13:41 PM  

SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?


That doesn't really work in this situation, as it was the CIA attempting to hide things.

But nothing will happen to Brennan. See James Clapper.
 
2014-08-01 03:20:03 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: somedude210: I_Am_Weasel: So does everyone else with a membership to sexwithiamweasel.com.

I killed your appetite, didn't I?

not as bad as jarjarewoks.com

[www.episode7art.com image 644x1159]


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/you owe me a new keyboard
//seltzer up the nose burns
 
2014-08-01 03:25:25 PM  
I don't really care if R or D made this request, it's dumb. No one can seem to focus on Congress doing their own job. Granted, there are some bills requested by either side, but the definition of gridlock should have this Congress' picture on it as part of the description. All these agency directors should resign, while we look at each other menacingly across the aisle.
 
2014-08-01 03:26:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?

That doesn't really work in this situation, as it was the CIA attempting to hide things.

But nothing will happen to Brennan. See James Clapper.


But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!
 
2014-08-01 03:29:33 PM  
I think we can conclude that any agency included in the Executive Branch has now been corrupted to the point that a simple resignation won't help.
 
2014-08-01 03:36:03 PM  

SenorPez: But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!


The CIA was accused of impropriety, initially denied it but performed an investigation, found evidence of impropriety, admitted they were wrong and apologized. Can you point to a time when the CIA has really been more transparent or open than that? I mean, come on, folks. For the most part, the things we're getting upset about only seem like news because we have an extraordinary and unprecedented view these days (whether the administration likes it or not) of how the sausages are being made.
 
2014-08-01 03:37:12 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: I think we can conclude that any agency included in the Executive Branch has now been corrupted to the point that a simple resignation won't help.


I would like to add to that list any federal or state elected representative that takes corporate money.

/Yup, almost all of them
 
2014-08-01 03:38:40 PM  

SenorPez: HotWingConspiracy: SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?

That doesn't really work in this situation, as it was the CIA attempting to hide things.

But nothing will happen to Brennan. See James Clapper.

But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!


It still could be regardless of anything the CIA does.
 
2014-08-01 03:40:08 PM  
"And what about the CIA?
What the f*ck is their real job anyway?
Starting civil wars in Third World countries
Importing heroin from the far east
Talk about cocaine, neither kept away
From the youth of today
And there's nothing we can do"

/ Testament rules
 
2014-08-01 03:41:35 PM  
media.boingboing.net

"Everything goes somewhere, and I go everywhere."
-Mr. Universe, Serenity
 
2014-08-01 03:43:39 PM  

SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?


www.rawstory.com
 
2014-08-01 03:49:40 PM  

bdub77: I'm OK with this.


Ditto.
 
2014-08-01 03:50:29 PM  

quatchi: "The CIA is comprised of good men and women of integrity who sacrifice a great deal to protect our nation. The actions of a few risk tarnishing the work of many. The CIA's leadership must take action to address these misdeeds, restore its trust with Congress and ensure that this episode will never, ever be repeated."

Ah, going with the "few bad apples" thing are we, Harry?

I love the fact that it wasn't until they themselves were spied on (in an apparent attempt to intimidate Senators who were looking into the torture scandal, no less) that this became a big issue for them.

/Sorry, did I say "love"?
//That was wrong.
///What's the opposite of love again?


apathy?
 
2014-08-01 04:09:07 PM  

quatchi: "The CIA is comprised of good men and women of integrity who sacrifice a great deal to protect our nation. The actions of a few risk tarnishing the work of many. The CIA's leadership must take action to address these misdeeds, restore its trust with Congress and ensure that this episode will never, ever be repeated."

Ah, going with the "few bad apples" thing are we, Harry?

I love the fact that it wasn't until they themselves were spied on (in an apparent attempt to intimidate Senators who were looking into the torture scandal, no less) that this became a big issue for them.

/Sorry, did I say "love"?
//That was wrong.
///What's the opposite of love again?


Congress has always framed their hypocrisy as simply a case of severe concern over the separation of powers. Hell, when they arrested Dollar Bill Jefferson a few years back Congressmen on both sides were outraged over the fact that the FBI got a warrant to search his office, saying that as part of the executive branch federal law enforcement can't investigate on legislative branch property even with judicial approval unless the legislative branch authorizes the search first.

But yeah, this is a major, major deal: the CIA, accused of breaking the law, then decided to ignore the separation of powers to monitor the investigation into whether they broke the law and took steps to hinder the investigation. Then they turned around and said accusations they did the monitoring couldn't be further from the truth and that ultimately the charges they did would be proven false.
/I submitted this with a worse headline comparing it to the Christie stuff to troll.
 
2014-08-01 04:10:00 PM  
Don't judge me, bureaucrat..
 
2014-08-01 04:20:36 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: This is a very smart and consistent move for Udall. He is in a real fight for reelection and this will play well in Colorado. A state where Democrats are not all that popular at the moment.


I know on its face this seems like a victory for Republicans because a member of the Obama administration is in hot water, but you do know this is all about the cover-up of the extent and lack of efficacy of the Bush era "enhanced interrogation tactics", right? As in, the more damning the report that the CIA was illegally trying to thwart was, the worse it would be for Bush-era officials who approved of all of it? You know, the techniques Obama ran on ending and did once taking office?

This isn't Udall attempting to distance himself from Obama (though I can imagine some low-information voters reading it as such.) This is the fact that either the CIA chief didn't know he had a continuing effort to subvert a Congressional investigation going on right under his nose or he did know and lied about it happening.
 
2014-08-01 04:23:54 PM  
The more other peoples fetishes are brought to light the less embarrassing my fetishes will be.
 
2014-08-01 04:33:40 PM  

incendi: SenorPez: But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!

The CIA was accused of impropriety, initially denied it but performed an investigation, found evidence of impropriety, admitted they were wrong and apologized. Can you point to a time when the CIA has really been more transparent or open than that? I mean, come on, folks. For the most part, the things we're getting upset about only seem like news because we have an extraordinary and unprecedented view these days (whether the administration likes it or not) of how the sausages are being made.


This.

This entire episode seems, so far, to be the system working. A TLA did something they (really) shouldn't have, the IG did what they are supposed to do, and the TLA ate crow. And all in a public forum.
 
2014-08-01 04:39:28 PM  

Grungehamster: Ow! That was my feelings!: This is a very smart and consistent move for Udall. He is in a real fight for reelection and this will play well in Colorado. A state where Democrats are not all that popular at the moment.

I know on its face this seems like a victory for Republicans because a member of the Obama administration is in hot water, but you do know this is all about the cover-up of the extent and lack of efficacy of the Bush era "enhanced interrogation tactics", right? As in, the more damning the report that the CIA was illegally trying to thwart was, the worse it would be for Bush-era officials who approved of all of it? You know, the techniques Obama ran on ending and did once taking office?

This isn't Udall attempting to distance himself from Obama (though I can imagine some low-information voters reading it as such.) This is the fact that either the CIA chief didn't know he had a continuing effort to subvert a Congressional investigation going on right under his nose or he did know and lied about it happening.


You missed my point, badly. I meant exactly what I wrote. This will help Udall in his reelection bid in Colorado because he has prior credibility on the whole spying thing by consistently opposing the NSA, etc. It's a good reminder to Colorado 'independents' to not lose sight of the big picture in their desire to punish CO Dems for selling out.
 
2014-08-01 04:41:15 PM  

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: incendi: SenorPez: But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!

The CIA was accused of impropriety, initially denied it but performed an investigation, found evidence of impropriety, admitted they were wrong and apologized. Can you point to a time when the CIA has really been more transparent or open than that? I mean, come on, folks. For the most part, the things we're getting upset about only seem like news because we have an extraordinary and unprecedented view these days (whether the administration likes it or not) of how the sausages are being made.

This.

This entire episode seems, so far, to be the system working. A TLA did something they (really) shouldn't have, the IG did what they are supposed to do, and the TLA ate crow. And all in a public forum.


True, those things happened.  So that's it then?  Just a mea culpa for the TLA, and back to business as usual with the TLA's minions continuing to do things they shouldn't be doing?

There wasn't a "we have an investigation, wait until those results come back" denial, we got a "hell no, your ass must be crazy" denial.  No, we didn't do that, period.  The CIA director lied to congress, and that's against the law.
 
2014-08-01 04:42:02 PM  

incendi: SenorPez: But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!

The CIA was accused of impropriety, initially denied it but performed an investigation, found evidence of impropriety, admitted they were wrong and apologized. Can you point to a time when the CIA has really been more transparent or open than that? I mean, come on, folks. For the most part, the things we're getting upset about only seem like news because we have an extraordinary and unprecedented view these days (whether the administration likes it or not) of how the sausages are being made.


Your so stupid. That's what they want you to think. I bet you think their human too.
Wake up!
 
2014-08-01 04:42:20 PM  

Mantour: SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


www.imfdb.org
 
2014-08-01 04:43:52 PM  
Getting rid of the head of the CIA sounds and feels good, but remember: there must always be a Lich King.
 
2014-08-01 04:45:06 PM  

Mantour: SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


You can't see it but right below the jacket, he was wearing a tutu.
 
2014-08-01 04:48:03 PM  

Victoly: [www.imfdb.org image 500x281]


Just what I was thinking.
 
2014-08-01 04:58:46 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: Mantour: SenorPez: Sorry, Congress. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to fear surveillance, right?

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

You can't see it but right below the jacket, he was wearing a tutu.


And yet, even if they knew about his "transgressions", he was able to keep Senators and Presidents quiet.  God knows what he KNEW about them.
 
2014-08-01 05:01:09 PM  

Comic Book Guy: I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: incendi: SenorPez: But I thought this was the most transparent and open administration in history!

The CIA was accused of impropriety, initially denied it but performed an investigation, found evidence of impropriety, admitted they were wrong and apologized. Can you point to a time when the CIA has really been more transparent or open than that? I mean, come on, folks. For the most part, the things we're getting upset about only seem like news because we have an extraordinary and unprecedented view these days (whether the administration likes it or not) of how the sausages are being made.

This.

This entire episode seems, so far, to be the system working. A TLA did something they (really) shouldn't have, the IG did what they are supposed to do, and the TLA ate crow. And all in a public forum.

True, those things happened.   So that's it then? Just a mea culpa for the TLA, and back to business as usual with the TLA's minions continuing to do things they shouldn't be doing?

There wasn't a "we have an investigation, wait until those results come back" denial, we got a "hell no, your ass must be crazy" denial.  No, we didn't do that, period.  The CIA director lied to congress, and that's against the law.


See that bold part there? That's where you started building a straw man that bears no resemblance to the discussion. First  SenorPez made a quip about transparency. Then  incendipointed out that this is actually a fairly unprecedented amount of transparency. Finally, I agreed with incendi, and even added qualifiers ("seems", "so far"), to indicate there was still more to be done. At no time did anyone address the legality of the actions taken or the improprieties from Brennan.
 
2014-08-01 05:07:53 PM  
So far as the pervy bit goes... So, I could probably identify that guy at a lineup with his partner(s) having seen him at clubs before?

Meh. Welcome to DC. Lots of clubs, lots of people who cater to certain things. You learn to ignore such things until they end up falling facefirst into the Tidal pool with South American strippers.
 
2014-08-01 05:39:15 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: quatchi: ///What's the opposite of love again?

apathy?


Weird, I just tried to figure out who said that and discovered a whole lotta people did.

 "...the opposite of love is not hate -- it's apathy. It's not giving a damn. If somebody hates me, they must "feel" something ... or they couldn't possibly hate. Therefore, there's some way in which I can get to them."

~Leo Busaglia

"The opposite of love is not hate, its apathy, when you simply don't bother about that person!"

 ~Amish Tripakthi

"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference."

~Elie Wiesel

There's a few more. That noted, I was kinda going for "hate" there.
 
2014-08-01 05:55:13 PM  
Senators call for yet another Agency director to resign. Difficulty: This guy probably knows all about your their kinky fetishes and the hookers you they frequent

Fixed that for you, Subby.
 
2014-08-01 06:03:19 PM  

quatchi: I'm an Egyptian!: quatchi: ///What's the opposite of love again?

apathy?

Weird, I just tried to figure out who said that and discovered a whole lotta people did.

 "...the opposite of love is not hate -- it's apathy. It's not giving a damn. If somebody hates me, they must "feel" something ... or they couldn't possibly hate. Therefore, there's some way in which I can get to them."

~Leo Busaglia

"The opposite of love is not hate, its apathy, when you simply don't bother about that person!"

 ~Amish Tripakthi

"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference."

~Elie Wiesel

There's a few more. That noted, I was kinda going for "hate" there.


Not to threadjack...but a minor thread jack. I would argue hate is a facet of love. That which you love defines your hate.
 
2014-08-01 06:04:25 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags


While Congress indeed sucks, they are indeed special. They are a sovereign, separate and coequal branch of Government, and this spying, obviously with the intent to intimidate, is nothing less than an attack on the independence of Congress and the fundamental structure of the Constitution. This is incredibly serious stuff, and is precisely the sort of thing the Founders intended impeachment to be used for. Spying on you and me, while likely unconstitutional and maybe illegal, does not directly threaten the core of our system of government.

The CIA, and the rest of the intelligence apparatus, needs to be brought to heel. Now. Firing Brennan is not enough- we need a full on Church Commission. Expose every sin, and every sinner. USA Freedom will be a strong first step, but it's not just about the law- the CIA, NSA, FBI, ect don't seem to care about the law. It's about the culture, and Congress needs to air all their dirty laundry and make lots of heads roll to change that.
 
2014-08-01 06:41:04 PM  

cptjeff: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's alright if you spy on those common shmucks, BUT WE'RE SPECIAL

/f*ck you disingenuous dirtbags

While Congress indeed sucks, they are indeed special. They are a sovereign, separate and coequal branch of Government, and this spying, obviously with the intent to intimidate, is nothing less than an attack on the independence of Congress and the fundamental structure of the Constitution. This is incredibly serious stuff, and is precisely the sort of thing the Founders intended impeachment to be used for. Spying on you and me, while likely unconstitutional and maybe illegal, does not directly threaten the core of our system of government.

The CIA, and the rest of the intelligence apparatus, needs to be brought to heel. Now. Firing Brennan is not enough- we need a full on Church Commission. Expose every sin, and every sinner. USA Freedom will be a strong first step, but it's not just about the law- the CIA, NSA, FBI, ect don't seem to care about the law. It's about the culture, and Congress needs to air all their dirty laundry and make lots of heads roll to change that.


This, exactly.

The "congressional hypocrisy" complaint is a total non-sequitur.

If the spying was wrong/illegal, then it needs to be punished/condemned irrespective of alleged hypocrisy.

No amount of congressional hypocrisy will change the morality/legality of the CIA's actions here.
 
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