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2014-08-01 08:12:17 AM  
A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.
 
2014-08-01 08:22:20 AM  

quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.


You're right.  Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something?  This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that.  Does any hope for peace remain at this point?
 
2014-08-01 08:25:45 AM  
I give up. Neither set of these assholes will give up until the other is completely wiped out. We should just nuke them both and get the inevitable over with.
 
2014-08-01 09:31:33 AM  
I'm definitely in the "soft discrimination of low expectations" zone at this point.  Even a 2 minute truce is an accomplishment there.

You can't make peace where there is no willingness.
 
2014-08-01 09:48:56 AM  

quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.


Lather Rinse, Repeat Repeat Repeat
 
2014-08-01 10:21:17 AM  

nekom: quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.

You're right.  Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something?  This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that.  Does any hope for peace remain at this point?


It's not going to end until there is a successful genocide by one side or the other.
 
2014-08-01 10:21:29 AM  
Who gives a shiat...let 'em fight. And sell 'em both the weapons.
 
2014-08-01 10:21:32 AM  
You'd have peace in five minutes if you gave the Israeli and Hamas governments' senior leadership guns and pushed them out onto the front lines.
 
2014-08-01 10:21:48 AM  
What a pack of assholes.
 
2014-08-01 10:22:49 AM  
Who exactly "failed" here?  Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon?  Hardly.  Israel wants to keep pounding Gaza to dust, and they have no interest in a cease-fire.  Hamas wants Israel to keep pounding Gaza to dust, so that they can gain international sympathy.

Agreements in which both parties are incentivized to break those agreements don't last very long.
 
2014-08-01 10:22:56 AM  
Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:08 AM  

nekom: You're right. Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something? This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that. Does any hope for peace remain at this point?


In a 3,000 year race war where the cultures are literally and figuratively built on the destruction of each other?  I wish I could say yes.  But neither side wants peace.  They want annihilation and victory, and know no other idea.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:19 AM  
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2014-08-01 10:23:22 AM  

cgraves67: nekom: quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.

You're right.  Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something?  This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that.  Does any hope for peace remain at this point?

It's not going to end until there is a successful genocide by one side or the other.


Hence my suggestion earlier in the thread to just get the inevitable over with now.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:33 AM  
I don't really consider it a fail on their part.  Neither side is negotiating in good faith.  Their requirements for resolving the conflict are diametrically opposed.  I studied peace building and conflict resolution in College and unless the current governments change I think there is 0% chance of peace.  Maybe in 20 years there will be a real chance when demographics change and some of the old guard die off but not now.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:50 AM  
I like how it's front page, big capital bolded letters that ONE israeli soldier has been captured, regardless of how many they've killed.

/not pro-either side
 
2014-08-01 10:23:51 AM  
I thought I read the rocket guys didn't know a ceasefire was called, Israel returned fire, things cooled off again, and the peace talks are continuing in Cairo.  That was as of 7:00 AMish this morning.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:53 AM  

Serious Black: Neither set of these assholes will give up until the other is completely wiped out.


No, Hamas can't tell when it's beaten, and it's badly farking beaten. They had its president/spokesman/whatever talk to Charlie Rose and he said he wanted to "coexist with the Jews" but refused to say yes to "do you want to coexist with Israel?" He kept going on about how they weren't going to give up until the occupation was over and Palestine was a state, not realizing that he had fark all to bargain with.

Also can anyone tell me why the West hates Russia sort of underhandedly farking shiat up in Ukraine but is totally ok with Israel committing genocide? Taking their allowance would probably stop this shiat.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:56 AM  

cgraves67: nekom: quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.

You're right.  Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something?  This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that.  Does any hope for peace remain at this point?

It's not going to end until there is a successful genocide by one side or the other.


Well I know who I'm betting on.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:59 AM  
You know, I don't think we can blame Kerry or the UN for their failure to get these two groups to act like adults. For fark's sake two hours is an accomplishment.
 
2014-08-01 10:23:59 AM  
I am sure he is use to failure
 
2014-08-01 10:24:22 AM  

Mrbogey: Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.


Do you have evidence that Hamas broke the ceasefire first?
 
2014-08-01 10:25:21 AM  

cgraves67: nekom: quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.

You're right.  Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something?  This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that.  Does any hope for peace remain at this point?

It's not going to end until there is a successful genocide by one side or the other.


Or until Hamas stops being useful to Saudi Arabia and Iran.
 
2014-08-01 10:26:21 AM  

Gunny Highway: I thought I read the rocket guys didn't know a ceasefire was called, Israel returned fire, things cooled off again, and the peace talks are continuing in Cairo.  That was as of 7:00 AMish this morning.


Well, that was over 3 hours ago, so they probably have agreed to and broken at least 2 cease-fires since then.
 
2014-08-01 10:27:09 AM  
FAIL tag, subby? That's the longest they've ever had peace over there.
 
2014-08-01 10:27:22 AM  

Mrbogey: Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.


and anyone who sees absolute good or bad on either side is also a moron.

Doesn't surprise me about you.
 
2014-08-01 10:27:33 AM  

Serious Black: Mrbogey: Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.

Do you have evidence that Hamas broke the ceasefire first?


Did you RTFA?
 
2014-08-01 10:27:48 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: You'd have peace in five minutes if you gave the Israeli and Hamas governments' senior leadership guns and pushed them out onto the front lines.


It would seem that the leadership on both sides does benefit from having an external enemy to unit their people against.
 
2014-08-01 10:27:57 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: I don't really consider it a fail on their part.  Neither side is negotiating in good faith.  Their requirements for resolving the conflict are diametrically opposed.  I studied peace building and conflict resolution in College and unless the current governments change I think there is 0% chance of peace.  Maybe in 20 years there will be a real chance when demographics change and some of the old guard die off but not now.


And got credits of it?
 
2014-08-01 10:28:34 AM  

what_now: Mrbogey: Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.

and anyone who sees absolute good or bad on either side is also a moron.

Doesn't surprise me about you.


and I hate everyone who makes sweeping generalizations.
 
2014-08-01 10:28:38 AM  

moothemagiccow: Serious Black: Neither set of these assholes will give up until the other is completely wiped out.

No, Hamas can't tell when it's beaten, and it's badly farking beaten.


You have no idea how terrorist movements grow, do you?
 
2014-08-01 10:29:10 AM  
Cease fires over there are the geopolitical equivalent of doing whippets...

"OK, Dude, get the 2 sides to agree, and then see if you can run all the way down the hallway before it wears off."
 
2014-08-01 10:29:31 AM  
Both sides are bad...so vote Hamas.
 
2014-08-01 10:29:45 AM  
When do they get back to lighting children on fire? I find that to be the traditional indicator of how things are going in conflict resolution.
 
2014-08-01 10:30:14 AM  

Gunny Highway: I thought I read the rocket guys didn't know a ceasefire was called,


If that's true, Hamas is in serious trouble.  Best case scenario, they can't communicate with each other, worst case, they can't control their fighters.
 
2014-08-01 10:30:26 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Serious Black: Mrbogey: Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.

Do you have evidence that Hamas broke the ceasefire first?

Did you RTFA?


This is Fark! RTFA is completely out of the question.
 
2014-08-01 10:32:02 AM  

Gunny Highway: I thought I read the rocket guys didn't know a ceasefire was called, Israel returned fire, things cooled off again, and the peace talks are continuing in Cairo.  That was as of 7:00 AMish this morning.


That would make the FARK headline and Yahoo story inaccurate, and that would be impossible with our current understanding of physics.
 
2014-08-01 10:32:07 AM  

quatchi: A 72 hour truce arranged by Kerry and Ban Ki-Moon lasted 2 hours?

Is that a new record?

The Israelis and Pals are gonna keep this up until the Palestinian supply of rockets are used up and their tunnels are all blown up.

Then the Israelis will back off and let the grass grow for another 2 years and we'll be back here again.

Same as it ever was.


Nah, then they'll switch over to suicide bombers and lobbing rocks. You want the Hamas to back down? Grab their leaders who are waging this war from their cozy little resort hotels in Qatar and toss them into the front lines. They have convinced their underlings that martyrdom is noble and necessary but can't even be bothered to be in the same country where the war is going on. To them war is all dollar signs. How much is this war costing them versus how much will they gain if they win. They don't feel their lives threatened. However, toss them in the front. Right below the rockets and rifle fire and let's see how long we can make a cease fire last this time.
 
2014-08-01 10:32:09 AM  

12349876: Gunny Highway: I thought I read the rocket guys didn't know a ceasefire was called,

If that's true, Hamas is in serious trouble.  Best case scenario, they can't communicate with each other, worst case, they can't control their fighters.


I believe the report I read was citing a IDF higher up.  Those Hamas guys need to get on Twitter quick.
 
2014-08-01 10:32:14 AM  

moothemagiccow: Also can anyone tell me why the West hates Russia sort of underhandedly farking shiat up in Ukraine but is totally ok with Israel committing genocide? Taking their allowance would probably stop this shiat.


Probably because Israel is really, really bad at genocide.

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2014-08-01 10:33:03 AM  
Who is surprised that Hamas started it AGAIN.

It's like they can't help themselves. The Israelis agree to a cease fire, and Hamas seems to think... hey, it's too damn quiet around here... you know what the west bank really needs? I mean REALLY REALLY needs? That's right... more rocket fire!!!"

So they launch more rockets at Israel. And here's the thing... the media acts SHOCKED that Israel shoots back. They get rockets shot at them... and it's somehow the Israeli's fault for being shot at.

Seriously... wtf is wrong with people in the middle east and with the media reporting this shiat? are they just congenitally incapable of understanding cause and effect? If you shoot at someone, they will shoot back.

Seriously I don't get why the Israelis dont just roll tanks, bulldoze the dome of the rock, and be done with it. If they wanted to provoke the other side to full commitment, that's all they'd have to do.
 
2014-08-01 10:33:30 AM  

cygnusx13: Who gives a shiat...let 'em fight. And sell 'em both the weapons.


This. The thing that makes this depressing is how asymetric it is. If the Palis had better weapons, the contest would be more entertaining. If it was done on the up and up, I'm sure a lot of ME nations would bankroll the Palis, and American arms manufacturers could make some nice change.
Give them some state of the art antitank and antiaircraft measures and a few compact, low-yield nukes, and the Palis could make an entertaining fight of this. Some super rich Arab should just do it.
 
2014-08-01 10:34:20 AM  
This is the report I saw this morning from the BBC:

"11:11
Amos Yadlin, former IDF Military Intelligence chief says that the humanitarian truce "may have been broken by Hamas gunmen unaware that it had come into force," - Times of Israel. "
 
2014-08-01 10:36:03 AM  

12349876: Gunny Highway: I thought I read the rocket guys didn't know a ceasefire was called,

If that's true, Hamas is in serious trouble.  Best case scenario, they can't communicate with each other, worst case, they can't control their fighters.


It's probably the first.  That is, probably the only way they talk amoungst themselves is via civilian cell phone networks, which probably aren't functional at this point.
 
2014-08-01 10:36:45 AM  

nekom: You're right. Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something? This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that. Does any hope for peace remain at this point?


I keep suggesting a sustained effort from the Muslim world to establish a working economy in the Gaza Strip/West Bank.  I'd suggest that the US do it ourselves, but that kind of cash and meddling from the US might not work.   Right now that densely populated, unemployed mess is practically designed to be a hate factory.  I suggest a swank beach resort to start with, along with a tech startup incubator.  Real estate ought to be cheap once this monkeyhump is over, and no shortage of labor for paying gigs.

It's the best idea that I have.
 
2014-08-01 10:37:02 AM  

moothemagiccow: Also can anyone tell me why the West hates Russia sort of underhandedly farking shiat up in Ukraine but is totally ok with Israel committing genocide?


That would be an interesting comparison if Israel were actually committing genocide, which it's not.

Khellendros: But neither side wants peace.


That's bullshiat. There are three sides in this, and two of them want peace. Israel wants peace. Most Palestinians want peace. Hamas does not. That's why this conflict continues.

HMS_Blinkin: Israel wants to keep pounding Gaza to dust,


Israel wants the rocket attacks and suicide bombings to stop. If Hamas didn't keep giving them reasons to fight, they'd stop.

Jaden Smith First of His Name: You'd have peace in five minutes if you gave the Israeli and Hamas governments' senior leadership guns and pushed them out onto the front lines.


If only that were true. I get the feeling though that, like AL-Qaeda, killing the top Hamas leaders will just put into place other Hamas members with the exact same intentions. This is due to the fact that, like AL-Qaeda, Hamas is not a political party - it's a terrorist organization.

nekom: Does anybody out there have like... I don't know, maybe a new idea or something?  This is pretty sad to watch, kids getting killed and all that.  Does any hope for peace remain at this point?


It isn't a new idea, just an old idea that hasn't been tested: Hamas could stop firing rockets and accept a peace agreement. But I don't see that happening, considering the failure of yet another cease-fire. The only hope lies in the Palestinian people eventually learning that Hamas is not helping them, and ousting Hamas to elect new leadership.
 
2014-08-01 10:38:14 AM  

Bell-fan: Who is surprised that Hamas started it AGAIN.

It's like they can't help themselves. The Israelis agree to a cease fire, and Hamas seems to think... hey, it's too damn quiet around here... you know what the west bank really needs? I mean REALLY REALLY needs? That's right... more rocket fire!!!"

So they launch more rockets at Israel. And here's the thing... the media acts SHOCKED that Israel shoots back. They get rockets shot at them... and it's somehow the Israeli's fault for being shot at.

Seriously... wtf is wrong with people in the middle east and with the media reporting this shiat? are they just congenitally incapable of understanding cause and effect? If you shoot at someone, they will shoot back.

Seriously I don't get why the Israelis dont just roll tanks, bulldoze the dome of the rock, and be done with it. If they wanted to provoke the other side to full commitment, that's all they'd have to do.


Well we can certainly tell which side your rooting for.
 
2014-08-01 10:38:19 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: what_now: Mrbogey: Only an idiot believed Hamas would honor a ceasefire.

So of course this should surprise Kerry and Ban.

and anyone who sees absolute good or bad on either side is also a moron.

Doesn't surprise me about you.

and I hate everyone who makes sweeping generalizations.


When it comes to the true nature of Hamas, Democrats keep their heads buried
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2014-08-01 10:39:19 AM  

idesofmarch: HMS_Blinkin: Israel wants to keep pounding Gaza to dust,

Israel wants the rocket attacks and suicide bombings to stop. If Hamas didn't keep giving them reasons to fight, they'd stop.


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2014-08-01 10:40:33 AM  
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