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(Salon)   Coca Cola's chief science and health officer says if you give up sugar, you will die. She conveniently forgot, however, that Coke actually prospered after it gave up sugar for High Fructose Corn Syrup   (salon.com) divider line 109
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2014-08-01 04:48:37 AM  
Fructose is a type of sugar, subby, just like sucrose and glucose and galactose and yadda yadda.

Not all sugars are created equal, however and the human body processes different sugars differently.
 
2014-08-01 07:01:28 AM  
Yeah, their customer base "prospered" too. As in got morbidly obese. No solely because of HFCS in Coke of course but it doesn't help.

/Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse
 
2014-08-01 07:18:21 AM  

Mugato: /Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse


THIS.
 
2014-08-01 07:26:06 AM  
But I have to drink Coke. The Coca-Cola guy said so.

/I don't want to die.
 
2014-08-01 07:32:51 AM  
It's got what fatties need.
 
2014-08-01 08:28:33 AM  

Mugato: Yeah, their customer base "prospered" too. As in got morbidly obese. No solely because of HFCS in Coke of course but it doesn't help.

/Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse


I could only barely tell the difference, and even that might have been boosted by the fact that I already knew which was which.

I certainly don't mind regular ol' sugar though.
 
2014-08-01 08:42:34 AM  

Ambivalence: Fructose is a type of sugar, subby, just like sucrose and glucose and galactose and yadda yadda.

Not all sugars are created equal, however and the human body processes different sugars differently.


oh look, it's the "actually, here's why your joke isn't funny" guy.
 
2014-08-01 08:44:44 AM  
If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.
 
2014-08-01 08:52:49 AM  
She's technically right. You need a few grams of sugar per day to function correctly.

But a single can of coke has about 20 times what you need and drinking it often will make you a fat ass
 
2014-08-01 09:02:16 AM  

machoprogrammer: She's technically right. You need a few grams of sugar per day to function correctly.

But a single can of coke has about 20 times what you need and drinking it often will make you a fat ass


It can. Or you can be someone like me. About as thin as they get on the outside, but destined to make whoever does my autopsy suffer from PTSD and question their faith.
 
2014-08-01 09:08:31 AM  

quatchi: Mugato: /Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse

THIS.


Mountain Dew Throwback is my weapon of choice.
 
2014-08-01 09:15:21 AM  

Mad_Radhu: quatchi: Mugato: /Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse

THIS.

Mountain Dew Throwback is my weapon of choice.


www.bevreview.com
10, 2, and 4...
 
2014-08-01 09:16:57 AM  

jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.


I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.
 
2014-08-01 09:22:28 AM  

AngryDragon: jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.

I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.


Carbs are complex sugars
 
2014-08-01 09:22:32 AM  
So Glucose and High Fructose Corn Syrup are the same thing now? Got it.
 
2014-08-01 09:25:08 AM  

AngryDragon: jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.

I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.


What's your average daily food intake look like? I really want to ditch sugar.
 
2014-08-01 09:28:47 AM  

quatchi: Mugato: /Mexican Coke with regular sugar  in a glass bottle tastes better, esse

THIS.


I had one of those yesterday. Delicious.
 
2014-08-01 09:39:37 AM  
I have a pepsi with sugar on my desk right now.
 
2014-08-01 09:40:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: AngryDragon: jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.

I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.

What's your average daily food intake look like? I really want to ditch sugar.


Here's what I used...

Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It by Gary Taubes
 
2014-08-01 09:45:17 AM  

ocendot: Mad_Radhu: quatchi: Mugato: /Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse

THIS.

Mountain Dew Throwback is my weapon of choice.

[www.bevreview.com image 263x350]
10, 2, and 4..


I love Dr Pepper. But I'm so used to the HFCS formula, that the real sugar tastes off to me.
I do like the Pepsi with sugar.
 
2014-08-01 09:45:59 AM  

GDubDub: I have a pepsi with sugar on my desk right now.


That will clean right up with a bit of water on a paper towel.
 
2014-08-01 09:48:16 AM  
You have to be a special kind of asshole to be Coke's PR doctor flunky.
 
2014-08-01 09:53:23 AM  

AngryDragon: jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.

I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.


So, no fruit in your diet, then?
 
2014-08-01 09:53:51 AM  
I tried pepsi with sugar once and it was so sweet it kind of made my teeth hurt.  Normally if I want a carbonated drink with sugar in it I will go with something with maltose Mmmm... Beer...
 
2014-08-01 09:57:17 AM  

Mugato: Yeah, their customer base "prospered" too. As in got morbidly obese. No solely because of HFCS in Coke of course but it doesn't help.

/Mexican Coke with regular sugar tastes better, esse


That is one of the things I like when I go visit the UK. It has sugar rather than corn syrup in it. It not as thick and clingy and tastes much better.
 
2014-08-01 10:05:50 AM  
If you don't like the HFCS write your congressman to end the tarrifs, import limitations, and subsidies used to make sugar expensive in the US and HFCS innexpensive.
 
2014-08-01 10:08:33 AM  
I don't know about all sugars but if I give up maltos for a day I get the shakes real bad
 
2014-08-01 10:16:33 AM  
Ugh, my asshole brother tried to convince me of this. Now he's in medical school.
 
2014-08-01 10:17:50 AM  
and by this I mean "sugar is good for you" direct quote and a copy of intro to biology book. christ what an asshole
//csb
 
2014-08-01 10:22:48 AM  

SquiggsIN: MugzyBrown: If you don't like the HFCS write your congressman to end the tarrifs, import limitations, and subsidies used to make sugar expensive in the US and HFCS innexpensive.

Start with ending the ridiculous farm subsidies that make domestic corn and soy so cheap that they can process the hell out of it and literally throw it into almost anything.


Not even Kansas Teatards can get away with talking about winding down farm subsidies.
 
2014-08-01 10:28:40 AM  
Based off that statement then anyone who does the Atkins diet thing for a prolonged period of time would die from lack of any carbs which I have never heard of happening.  Fructose is good for you.  It's a longer lasting energy source where sugar from sugar cane give you a quick boost of energy then quickly crash for lack of a better term.  Fructose is the equivalent of taking extended release speed where Sugar from sugar cane  would be the equivalent to smoking crack.  Probably not the best analogy but I'm half awake so that's the best I got right now.
 
2014-08-01 10:34:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: What's your average daily food intake look like? I really want to ditch sugar.


About 2500 calories, mostly meat and fat.  Bacon, eggs, roasts, cold cuts, low carb veggies, no starches, pasta, breads or rice.

Vash's Apprentice: So, no fruit in your diet, then?


Almost none.  Raspberries, blackberries, and other low glycemic  only.
 
2014-08-01 10:36:46 AM  
I find it disturbing in multiple ways that "real sugar" is now a marketing point for soda:

www.chow.com
 
2014-08-01 10:45:07 AM  
You need some calories to survive. Avoid consuming too many calories, which can lead to arterial plaque, insulin resistance, diabetes , and heart disease.

The End.
 
2014-08-01 10:48:03 AM  
The issue is refined sugar.

When people talk about eliminating sugar from their diet, that's what they're referring to -- not avoiding al foods that naturally have sugar.

As for the HFCS issue, it's a replacement for refined sugar. If you go back to using sugar in soft drinks, for example, you'll alter the taste but you're not going to make it any healthier.
 
2014-08-01 10:49:48 AM  

Animatronik: You need some calories to survive. Avoid consuming too many calories, which can lead to arterial plaque, insulin resistance, diabetes , and heart disease.

The End.


And that justifies a 4,000 calorie diet with a couple big gulps each day?

I don't think any health advocates are calling for people to adopt a 1,500 calorie diet.
 
2014-08-01 10:50:51 AM  
I find it hard to believe that with the apparent success of the Throwback Pepsi and Dew that Coke hasn't jumped in there. They must make a killing on the Mexican Coke
 
2014-08-01 10:51:56 AM  
Pepsi is better anyways.
 
2014-08-01 10:52:45 AM  

thornhill: The issue is refined sugar.

When people talk about eliminating sugar from their diet, that's what they're referring to -- not avoiding al foods that naturally have sugar.

As for the HFCS issue, it's a replacement for refined sugar. If you go back to using sugar in soft drinks, for example, you'll alter the taste but you're not going to make it any healthier.


You can consume refined sugar and HFCS and be just fine if you otherwise have a low calorie diet.

Likewise, eliminating sugar but eating tons of carbs will make you fat and unhealthy.

The worst thing about regular coke is that its liquid calories. It makes it really easy to have excessive caloric intake.

So although sugary drinks are bad, the main thing is to limit calories overall. This the message most ppl seem not to get.
 
2014-08-01 10:54:59 AM  

thornhill: Animatronik: You need some calories to survive. Avoid consuming too many calories, which can lead to arterial plaque, insulin resistance, diabetes , and heart disease.

The End.

And that justifies a 4,000 calorie diet with a couple big gulps each day?

I don't think any health advocates are calling for people to adopt a 1,500 calorie diet.


See above. I'm not advocating sugary drinks. I'm pointing out the main reason they are bad.

You may feel smug eating whole grain pasta while drinking a smoothie, but that doesn't mean you are doing better than the big gulp drinker.
 
2014-08-01 11:04:37 AM  

Animatronik: thornhill: The issue is refined sugar.

When people talk about eliminating sugar from their diet, that's what they're referring to -- not avoiding al foods that naturally have sugar.

As for the HFCS issue, it's a replacement for refined sugar. If you go back to using sugar in soft drinks, for example, you'll alter the taste but you're not going to make it any healthier.

You can consume refined sugar and HFCS and be just fine if you otherwise have a low calorie diet.

Likewise, eliminating sugar but eating tons of carbs will make you fat and unhealthy.

The worst thing about regular coke is that its liquid calories. It makes it really easy to have excessive caloric intake.


When you drink, your body expects one thing and one thing only - water.  Drinking a can or bottle of coke, your body doesn't even register the sugar until it's entering your bloodstream and then it's straight into panic mode OMG WHERE DID ALL THIS SUGAR COME FROM DEPLOY ALL THE INSULIN to avoid hyperglycemia.  Then you crash because of LOW blood sugar. It's a yo-yo.

As opposed to eating fruit, where the fiber and bulk of the food takes time to break down, and therefore the release of sugar is moderated. Not to mention that a Coke probably has multiple times the sugar as, for example, an apple.
 
2014-08-01 11:05:14 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: AngryDragon: jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.

I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.

What's your average daily food intake look like? I really want to ditch sugar.


The book by Gary Taubes above is a good one. More recent versions of Atkins are good too.
The thing to prepare for if you're going to ditch sugar is the withdrawal period. The first two weeks will suck ass. Your brain and other systems will be switching from glucose to fatty acids and ketones for fuel, and it's a bit of an adjustment. There will also be cravings for a while. You may dream of donuts.
Totally worth it, though.
Also, make sure you eat enough fat. Don't buy low-fat anything. Eat butter, bacon (sugar free if possible), fatty meat, coconut oil (a great way to transition quickly from glucose to ketones), olive oil, and some kinds of tree nuts.
When you come out on the other side of the tunnel, it's niiiiice.
 
2014-08-01 11:09:13 AM  
The dietary requirement for sugar is 0.  This the coke chief "science" and "health" officer must be the same person as the chief marketing officer.

It's impossible to go 0 carb cause even stuff like eggs has 1 gram each, liver has a few grams, nuts and seeds have a few, and green veggies have a gram or so.  But your body can synthesize glucose from protein and your body prefers fat for it's energy source.  that's why VLC diets work so well.
 
2014-08-01 11:09:18 AM  

diggumsmax: Based off that statement then anyone who does the Atkins diet thing for a prolonged period of time would die from lack of any carbs which I have never heard of happening.  Fructose is good for you.  It's a longer lasting energy source where sugar from sugar cane give you a quick boost of energy then quickly crash for lack of a better term.  Fructose is the equivalent of taking extended release speed where Sugar from sugar cane  would be the equivalent to smoking crack.  Probably not the best analogy but I'm half awake so that's the best I got right now.


Fructose is not much better than sucrose.

Sucrose is a disaccharide composed of glucose plus fructose. Since glucose is what your body and brain actually, in theory you might get a bigger immediate insulin boost from sucrose than fructose, since sucrose is half glucose. I think this is true. Strangely though I think there is an even bigger insulin boost from eating fruit with fructose in it. About half of the fructose is converted to glucose in your liver though.

The bottom line is that your body is smarter than you think. It knows what to do with different energy sources you put in your pie hole. When you over stuff your piehole, it gets overwhelmed and your blood glucose levels eventually get elevated.

Don't overstuff your piehole.
 
2014-08-01 11:14:13 AM  

Animatronik: thornhill: The issue is refined sugar.

When people talk about eliminating sugar from their diet, that's what they're referring to -- not avoiding al foods that naturally have sugar.

As for the HFCS issue, it's a replacement for refined sugar. If you go back to using sugar in soft drinks, for example, you'll alter the taste but you're not going to make it any healthier.

You can consume refined sugar and HFCS and be just fine if you otherwise have a low calorie diet.

Likewise, eliminating sugar but eating tons of carbs will make you fat and unhealthy.

The worst thing about regular coke is that its liquid calories. It makes it really easy to have excessive caloric intake.

So although sugary drinks are bad, the main thing is to limit calories overall. This the message most ppl seem not to get.


Well, obviously, and one of the main ways you're going to limit your overall caloric intake is if you cut out foods and drinks that have a high amount of refined sugar. Or eat very small portions of foods with refined sugar.
 
2014-08-01 11:14:50 AM  

El Dudereno: HotWingConspiracy: AngryDragon: jxb465: If I didn't love sugar so much, I would give it up today and send this biatch an email every day letting her know that not only am I still alive, I'm healthier than ever.

I'll do it.

Three years in.  My hypoglycemia is gone, cholesterol is normal, blood pressure normal, just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and a cardiac CT confirms that my arteries are squeaky clean.  I eat no sugar, almost no carbs, and my dietary intake consists of about 65% fat.

Suck it, Big Soda.

What's your average daily food intake look like? I really want to ditch sugar.

The book by Gary Taubes above is a good one. More recent versions of Atkins are good too.
The thing to prepare for if you're going to ditch sugar is the withdrawal period. The first two weeks will suck ass. Your brain and other systems will be switching from glucose to fatty acids and ketones for fuel, and it's a bit of an adjustment. There will also be cravings for a while. You may dream of donuts.
Totally worth it, though.
Also, make sure you eat enough fat. Don't buy low-fat anything. Eat butter, bacon (sugar free if possible), fatty meat, coconut oil (a great way to transition quickly from glucose to ketones), olive oil, and some kinds of tree nuts.
When you come out on the other side of the tunnel, it's niiiiice.


Just to add to this, now that you getting the bulk of your calories from fat, make sure you get the best quality you can.  get Grass-Fed beef, pastured organic eggs, Grass-Fed butter, etc.  Avoid CAFO / commercial cheap meats.
 
2014-08-01 11:16:05 AM  

Animatronik: thornhill: Animatronik: You need some calories to survive. Avoid consuming too many calories, which can lead to arterial plaque, insulin resistance, diabetes , and heart disease.

The End.

And that justifies a 4,000 calorie diet with a couple big gulps each day?

I don't think any health advocates are calling for people to adopt a 1,500 calorie diet.

See above. I'm not advocating sugary drinks. I'm pointing out the main reason they are bad.

You may feel smug eating whole grain pasta while drinking a smoothie, but that doesn't mean you are doing better than the big gulp drinker.


From a caloric intake point of view only. Nutrients count.
/smug as fark thank you very much
 
2014-08-01 11:16:10 AM  

Leopold Stotch: Animatronik: thornhill: The issue is refined sugar.

When people talk about eliminating sugar from their diet, that's what they're referring to -- not avoiding al foods that naturally have sugar.

As for the HFCS issue, it's a replacement for refined sugar. If you go back to using sugar in soft drinks, for example, you'll alter the taste but you're not going to make it any healthier.

You can consume refined sugar and HFCS and be just fine if you otherwise have a low calorie diet.

Likewise, eliminating sugar but eating tons of carbs will make you fat and unhealthy.

The worst thing about regular coke is that its liquid calories. It makes it really easy to have excessive caloric intake.

When you drink, your body expects one thing and one thing only - water.  Drinking a can or bottle of coke, your body doesn't even register the sugar until it's entering your bloodstream and then it's straight into panic mode OMG WHERE DID ALL THIS SUGAR COME FROM DEPLOY ALL THE INSULIN to avoid hyperglycemia.  Then you crash because of LOW blood sugar. It's a yo-yo.

As opposed to eating fruit, where the fiber and bulk of the food takes time to break down, and therefore the release of sugar is moderated. Not to mention that a Coke probably has multiple times the sugar as, for example, an apple.


You can delete everything you posted except the last sentence.

The biggest issue with soda is that a 12.oz soda has at least twice the sugar of a serving of fruit.

Of course the fiber and some other things in fruit are good too, but if we're talking about what makes a soda bad , its CALORIES.

It is possible to design a healthy diet with a couple cans of soda. It's really hard to do that with a 32 oz. Big Gulp. But that's poor excuse to outlaw them. After all we still allow tobacco products.
 
2014-08-01 11:18:54 AM  

Kaiser Blade: Animatronik: thornhill: Animatronik: You need some calories to survive. Avoid consuming too many calories, which can lead to arterial plaque, insulin resistance, diabetes , and heart disease.

The End.

And that justifies a 4,000 calorie diet with a couple big gulps each day?

I don't think any health advocates are calling for people to adopt a 1,500 calorie diet.

See above. I'm not advocating sugary drinks. I'm pointing out the main reason they are bad.

You may feel smug eating whole grain pasta while drinking a smoothie, but that doesn't mean you are doing better than the big gulp drinker.

From a caloric intake point of view only. Nutrients count.
/smug as fark thank you very much


As long as you aren't overstuffing your piehole, feel free to be smug.
 
2014-08-01 11:22:50 AM  
Drink our product or you will die. You dont want to die do you?

Actually i'm diabetic, if I drink enough of your product then I will farking die. Any lawyers available to assist in a post mortum law suit against coke? I plan on drinking about three 12 packs of coke because this lady said I need the sugar, any chance a decent lawyer could squeez a couple million out of them for it?
 
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