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2014-07-31 11:30:28 PM  
I hate that bow tie.
 
2014-07-31 11:30:53 PM  
Considering that the Old Testament has some fairly strong things to say in multiple books about how to treat those who sojourn through your lands, as the Children of Israel once wandered, yeah. Leviticus. Deuteronomy. The list is actually fairly long. And unequivocal. You want to bag on those darned foreigners, go ahead, but don't try to then claim that your faith is so strong that you can't pay your taxes because the money might go to something you don't believe in, because if you can't extend compassion to those in need, your faith is just so much hypocrisy and hot air blown around to try to give yourself an air of respectability.

Oddly enough, Jesus had some choice words about those who proclaimed their faith and piety in public as well. Not to mention something about rendering unto Caesar...
 
2014-07-31 11:31:22 PM  
So how many after market assholes is Tucker up to now?

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2014-07-31 11:38:28 PM  
"This is not a theocracy!" Carlson exclaimed. "No, no. The country is not run according to Christian precept here."

Saving this quote for when he inevitably flip flops on that.


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Since I don't watch Fox, can anyone tell me if the fear of whites becoming a minority is just subtext there, or is it explicit?
 
2014-07-31 11:43:41 PM  
Okay, no. No. No. I'm shutting this down. No.

FTFA: "Are you a Christian?" Powers quipped. "Have you read the Bible? Because the Bible is crystal clear."

"This is not a theocracy!" Carlson exclaimed. "No, no. The country is not run according to Christian precept here."

"I didn't make this up!" Powers argued. "Our country is based on this."


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She was doing well, until I bolded the reason behind her argument. If I'm inferring correctly, in that this is a Christian nation.

She did, however, continue thusly: "You've never heard of America as a refuge of people who are persecuted?"

That, I get. I think. I have been drinking, so ...

Is she implying we are a Christian nation or not?

Either way, I've stopped caring. Now where is my bourbon?!
 
2014-08-01 12:02:15 AM  
Can't we all just admit that Jesus was a liberal communist loudmouth, christianity doesn't give a rat's patoot about the job creators, and the Bible is leftist propaganda?
 
2014-08-01 12:03:50 AM  

HawgWild: Is she implying we are a Christian nation or not?


Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument. She would've held her own better had she not gone down the religion rabbithole first, because all of that is irrelevant to the debate, and Tucker was able to (rightly) trounce her until that point.

Nonetheless, I was entertained.
 
2014-08-01 12:10:30 AM  

make me some tea: HawgWild: Is she implying we are a Christian nation or not?

Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument. She would've held her own better had she not gone down the religion rabbithole first, because all of that is irrelevant to the debate, and Tucker was able to (rightly) trounce her until that point.

Nonetheless, I was entertained.


I'm just lulzing about a Republican admitting "The country is not run according to Christian precept here."
 
2014-08-01 12:27:32 AM  

HawgWild: I'm just lulzing about a Republican admitting "The country is not run according to Christian precept here."


Yep. I doubt Tucker's a religious person, he has to play one for the TV though.
 
2014-08-01 12:34:40 AM  

make me some tea: HawgWild: I'm just lulzing about a Republican admitting "The country is not run according to Christian precept here."

Yep. I doubt Tucker's a religious person, he has to play one for the TV though.


Meh.

He meant "not... here" as in "not... here in this singular intance" but not "here, as in Christianity means gays a losers and atheists aren't real Merkins."
 
2014-08-01 01:00:38 AM  
Key quote:   "This is not a theocracy!" Carlson exclaimed. "No, no. The country is not run according to Christian precept here."


Good point, Mr. Carlson.  Now then, explain to us why the GOP continues to work very hard to install a theocracy in this country.  Go on, we'll wait.
 
2014-08-01 01:01:09 AM  

make me some tea: HawgWild: I'm just lulzing about a Republican admitting "The country is not run according to Christian precept here."

Yep. I doubt Tucker's a religious person, he has to play one for the TV though.


And therein lies the rub. This is an interesting turning point for the coalition formed within the GOP. You have fairly secular business interests, you have the Religious Right, and then you have the ideologues who just want to prove their Ivory Tower theories of government, and they've all rubbed elbows together for a while, but they really don't like each other all that much, but they've shared talking points, unpalatable as they may be. By wrangling the radical fringe, and hoping to keep a base that is "excited" and active, they've driven folks from them. Myself and certainly others, and replaced with folks of less intellectual rigor, and certainly with less ethical backbones. They may want to play onto the strengths of the appearances of deep felt morality, but you can only fake sincerity for so long. These are factions who were all relegated to the fringes, and together, they hammered out an accord to share the platform, and hopefully drag the nation along with them, with folks who have been afraid to cross party lines. But the only folks who hold party above sanity...they are not exactly the smartest, nor are they anywhere near as forgiving of being used.

That's what all the tar and feather for "Liberals" is for. It's a boogeyman to shake in front of the camera and to the masses. It's worked for a long while, because there's the historical association with "Liberals" with "Commies" and "Commies" worked pretty damn well to scare middle America for a while. Communists. Trade Unionists. Agitators. Un-American. Unfortunately, the Commies are pretty much all gone. The folks that they want to associate with "the Left" are folks who are worried about global corporate interests, and theocratic rule, and the homosexuals. And it's resulted in this pastiche of odd interests that are supposed to all be in the Great Liberal Conspiracy. Because it's easier to sell a boogeyman that is united and uniformly slavering for the blood of the innocent. When it comes down to the sad fact, that there are disparate interests who oppose a fairly united albeit somewhat schizophrenic GOP that has cobbled together a platform from equally disparate interests.

The GOP has been selling narrative. The narrative is that the Liberals are all united, hate America, hate those who are successful, and the truth is, the opposition to many of the planks of the platform in the GOP come from a lot of different places, a lot of different ideologies, and a lot of different interests in general. That the platform is so schizophrenic doesn't help. Because it's a reactionary sort of platform. It's not united in common ideology, but cobbled together from a lot of disparate elements, and the narrative is that the Liberals hate America for its freedoms, so much so that they are looking to give those freedoms to the wrong people, apparently.

It's why I left. Because the leadership hammered out a coalition of reactionaries and radicals, and keeps putting up planks on the platform that are often contradictory, and then asking folks to reconcile them. Asking candidates, their pet media, think tanks, authors and more to somehow weave this mess into some coherent shape. And a lot of folks have thrown up their hands in disgust, and those who are left? They have little ethics, so they don't care how many lies that need telling to make it work. Shame? They have none, but they do like to get paid, so that's what they are going to do. Get paid and keep shilling. Even if the boat is leaky, it's well off course, they have to keep folks rowing, even if it's not for the shore that they were told they were headed for. It is about managing perceptions, not with anything looking like sane or intellectually and ethically united policy. Which is exactly why shills play the back and forth game, because they've been told to make it work, and the ones who are left? They do so, not because they believe, but because they like to get paid. The Idiot Brigade? They'll swallow a fair amount of malarky, but even they can sense something is intrinsically wrong within. Which is why you have the TEA Party nonsense. It was a way to manage the rumblings. To point it away from the GOP leadership, and give them a boogyman to shake. Liberals. Demonocrats. Because they NEED a unified enemy to appear unified themselves, because otherwise, it will mean admitting that the leadership is cobbled together of a lot of fairly contradictory parts, and that will not stand for folks who've invested so much in a willful misrepresentation of subjective reality.

And the sad thing? The party would be better off and just admit that it's not unified. It's a coalition. Just come clean about it. Like our Parliamentary neighbors do. They have coalition governments, and readily admit that they represent NOT a unified bloc of voters, but disparate elements, but instead, we have folks who are desperate to appear to be unified. Because admitting it would mean that they don't have God and All That Is Good and Free on their side. It is a narcissistic fiction to serve ego, and nothing more, and the nation is harmed because of this nursed fiction.
 
2014-08-01 01:02:39 AM  
I love when Tucker said "I've been around, I've seen the suffering."

Is that like when he pays a homeless guy to jerk him off?
 
2014-08-01 01:03:20 AM  
What I really like about that video is that they started out with the premise that Americans overall are starting to solidify against immigration right before getting into a shouting match showing that the complete opposite is true.
 
2014-08-01 01:11:49 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: What I really like about that video is that they started out with the premise that Americans overall are starting to solidify against immigration right before getting into a shouting match showing that the complete opposite is true.


I like that broad in red who ends it with "oh there are so many problems in the world it's so complicated let's focus on US ME ME ME ME ME" like the solution is that the US can only handle one issue at a time. Just one issue at a time here, folks. We're still focused on Benghazi. We haven't even got to Fast and Furious. One issue at a time.

Meanwhile you've got a GOP led Congress hasn't done jack sh*t domestically in months.

That was a fun little bit there though, Tucker needed the other women in that 4 on 1 gangbang of the lone Democrat (I don't really watch this show but that's what it looked like) to bail his dumb ass out.
 
2014-08-01 01:12:16 AM  

bdub77: I love when Tucker said "I've been around, I've seen the suffering."

Is that like when he pays a homeless guy to jerk him off?


Once, he saw a friend with a trust fund realize that his card had been declined. He's been there when a rental agency didn't have leather seats available, and I hear he once even was bumped back into coach class on a plane. Reservations have been lost, weekends ruined by caterers who've been double booked, and safety schools that rejected applicants because of "youthful exuberance" with the football team and debate society. He has looked into that yawning Abyss, and seen the hoi polloi, and seen their faces, their cold, grim faces yearning to feast upon his salary, and in their eyes, he saw his own desire for monetary compensation reflected, twisted by need and pooritude, and it was then he realized that they were mockeries of humanity and goodness, and it left him so cold, that he had to curl up in a hot shower to revive, and while he was there, his wine was diluted thanks to the lack of a proper shelf. Don't you dare tell him that he hasn't suffered. Don't. You. Dare.
 
2014-08-01 01:18:49 AM  

hubiestubert: and those who are left? They have little ethics, so they don't care how many lies that need telling to make it work. Shame? They have none, but they do like to get paid, so that's what they are going to do. Get paid and keep shilling.


Because the American DreamTM is economical, not moral.
 
2014-08-01 01:24:04 AM  

make me some tea: HawgWild: Is she implying we are a Christian nation or not?

Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument


Or she could have pointed out how we let hundreds of thousand of Asian immigrants into the US after the Vietnam war. It could be argued that the current situation in Central America is just as much our fault.
 
2014-08-01 01:27:23 AM  

make me some tea: Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument


Well, in all fairness, we didn't. So, uh, counterpoint?
 
2014-08-01 01:34:06 AM  
Tucker Carlson is a pig farking child molester
 
2014-08-01 01:36:35 AM  
These Republicans labeling children as "illegals" who have never broken a law are both unchristian and unamerican.
 
2014-08-01 01:39:04 AM  
So the Old Testament rules against gays are bad, but the Old Testament rules about immigrants are fine? This is why biblical arguments are pretty stupid ones to base policy on. Yeah, it's funny that one Christian called out another on how non-Christian they were acting, but if there was a universal understanding of Christianity, we wouldn't have a thousand different sects of the faith.
 
2014-08-01 01:39:55 AM  

Lsherm: make me some tea: Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument

Well, in all fairness, we didn't. So, uh, counterpoint?


Huh, interesting. I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_State s# Refugees_from_Nazi_Germany
 
2014-08-01 01:41:45 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So the Old Testament rules against gays are bad, but the Old Testament rules about immigrants are fine? This is why biblical arguments are pretty stupid ones to base policy on. Yeah, it's funny that one Christian called out another on how non-Christian they were acting, but if there was a universal understanding of Christianity, we wouldn't have a thousand different sects of the faith.


But the NEW TESTAMENT - you know the one with JESUS CHRIST says NOTHING about gays and does say a LOT about treating the unfortunate well.

Is CHRISTIANITY about Christ?
 
2014-08-01 01:42:10 AM  

BalugaJoe: I hate that bow tie.


The bow tie is possibly his least odious feature.
 
2014-08-01 01:42:40 AM  

HawgWild: Okay, no. No. No. I'm shutting this down. No.

FTFA: "Are you a Christian?" Powers quipped. "Have you read the Bible? Because the Bible is crystal clear."

"This is not a theocracy!" Carlson exclaimed. "No, no. The country is not run according to Christian precept here."

"I didn't make this up!" Powers argued. "Our country is based on this."

She was doing well, until I bolded the reason behind her argument. If I'm inferring correctly, in that this is a Christian nation.

She did, however, continue thusly: "You've never heard of America as a refuge of people who are persecuted?"

That, I get. I think. I have been drinking, so ...

Is she implying we are a Christian nation or not?

Either way, I've stopped caring. Now where is my bourbon?!


She's wrong, but she's trotting out the trope that many conservatives like to yell about. If they agree with her, then they are a hypocrite. If they disagree with her then they are changing their stance.

I'm OK with this. You use their words against them.
 
2014-08-01 01:49:06 AM  
Right next to those passages about foreigners and paying workers a fair wage in a timely fashion we find the stuff about jubilees and no permanent ownership of the promised land... Stuff that pretty clearly was only supposed to be civil law for one nation at one time. So even if you want to, and I don't, it is not clear how Judeo-Christian theocratic state would or could work with regard to immigration and labor law. I think the stuff about foreigners is for all times and places, at least prosperous places with plenty of food and energy like the US. But I also believe the stuff about no charging interest and jubilees was for agrarian, ancient Israel only. Am I a cafeteria Christian? I guess. But I don't feel like one.
 
2014-08-01 01:56:31 AM  
"So, I have a moral obligation to share my earnings, and my country with people I've never met because they are suffering?" Carlson complained.

So BEFORE the whole 'border crisis' thing, did he personally vet every person that his tax and charity dollars went out to?

What an ambitious man. There are whole weekends where I do nothing but sit in bed and watch TV, and THIS motherfarker is globetrotting...
 
2014-08-01 02:01:28 AM  

BalugaJoe: I hate that bow tie.


Bow ties are not cool.
 
2014-08-01 02:03:11 AM  
I bet he faps to Bret Hume youtube clips.
 
2014-08-01 02:07:10 AM  
Hey Farkers - Christians will give you immigration (so you can get the votes) if you can give us abortion (so we can save the lives).... Else your arguments about Christianity are self-serving and disenginuous.
 
2014-08-01 02:09:42 AM  

tjfly: Hey Farkers - Christians will give you immigration (so you can get the votes) if you can give us abortion (so we can save the lives).... Else your arguments about Christianity are self-serving and disenginuous.


Oh about time Jesus go there to speak for the Christians, by the way where is the passage where you speak out against abortion?  I've been meaning to look that one up.
 
2014-08-01 02:15:19 AM  

Tymast: tjfly: Hey Farkers - Christians will give you immigration (so you can get the votes) if you can give us abortion (so we can save the lives).... Else your arguments about Christianity are self-serving and disenginuous.

Oh about time Jesus go there to speak for the Christians, by the way where is the passage where you speak out against abortion?  I've been meaning to look that one up.


if I attempt to explain, will you take the time to read? Or will that be an exercise in futility?
 
2014-08-01 02:16:10 AM  
... and it was then that I realized the awful truth. Tucker had not abandoned the bow tie. The bow tie abandoned him.
 
2014-08-01 02:16:32 AM  

Tymast: tjfly: Hey Farkers - Christians will give you immigration (so you can get the votes) if you can give us abortion (so we can save the lives).... Else your arguments about Christianity are self-serving and disenginuous.

Oh about time Jesus go there to speak for the Christians, by the way where is the passage where you speak out against abortion?  I've been meaning to look that one up.


also - can you attempt to answer the question?
 
2014-08-01 02:16:57 AM  

make me some tea: Lsherm: make me some tea: Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument

Well, in all fairness, we didn't. So, uh, counterpoint?

Huh, interesting. I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_State s# Refugees_from_Nazi_Germany


Interesting.

U.S. opposition to immigration in general in the late 1930s was motivated by the grave economic pressures, the high unemployment rate, and social frustration and disillusionment. The U.S. refusal to support specifically Jewish immigration, however, stemmed from something else, namely antisemitism, which had increased in the late 1930s and continued to rise in the 1940s. It was an important ingredient in America's negative response to Jewish refugees.

Now, a slight adjustment:

U.S. opposition to immigration in general in the early 21st century was motivated by the grave economic pressures, the high unemployment rate, and social frustration and disillusionment. The U.S. refusal to support specifically Latin American immigration, however, stemmed from something else, namely antisemitism, which had increased in the late 1990s and continued to rise in the 2000s. It was an important ingredient in America's negative response to Latin American refugees.

You can do the same thing in regards to giving rights to women:blacks, and interracial marriage:gay marriage. Another reason why I get a bit pissed when people say "don't worry, those old angry white men will die out eventually", because they forget that those angry old white men will be replaced by angry old white men. Our country is slow to give rights to people, and even slower to fully adjust and act upon any existing inequality. In general, shiat hasn't changed since our founding. If you aren't born a white male, you're going to have a much, much tougher time in life than someone who was. 

But let's not let historical facts stop anyone in this country from mindlessly spouting that "we're #1", unless they're talking about the percentage per capita of incarcerated citizens.
 
2014-08-01 02:17:57 AM  
I thought she was gonna rip Carlson a new orifice, but she was shouted down and continuously interrupted by a lil pack of idiots who didn't listen to a word she said....this was painful to watch.
 
2014-08-01 02:18:13 AM  
If coming to the border and requesting asylum is 'illegal' as four of those five talk show folks were going on about, I wonder what they think the legal path is for refugees.

File a form at their local consulate and wait 4-6 weeks for approval?
 
2014-08-01 02:18:53 AM  

tjfly: if I attempt to explain, will you take the time to read? Or will that be an exercise in futility?


I'll read it. I love philosophy and whatnot, and enjoy learning the roots of beliefs that people have. Where can I find passages in the bible that talk about abortion?
 
2014-08-01 02:20:36 AM  

starsrift: File a form at their local consulate and wait 4-6 weeks for approval?


4-6 weeks? More like years. I had a friend who discovered in high school that she was, technically, an illegal immigrant. It took her until her early 20's to finally be granted citizenship because the process is that farking slow.
 
2014-08-01 02:20:48 AM  
FTA :

"So, I have a moral obligation to share my earnings, and my country with people I've never met because they are suffering?" Carlson complained.


The .0001% of each taxable dollar spent on this issue is no argument.

Sovereignty, stability of the migrants homeland, danger in passage, risk of destitution on reaching the U.S., etc.  These might all make some sort of argument in support of his case.  The cost aspect is just weak sauce.

I spoke with a Honduran immigrant (legal by marriage) at length just two days ago.  His view was that the recent influx was largely a financial one based on opportunity (NTTAWWT), so the hosts claims of fleeing something along the lines of past Jewish pogroms is equally disingenuous.
 
2014-08-01 02:24:09 AM  

make me some tea: Lsherm: make me some tea: Her quip about letting persecuted Jews into the country during WWII was a much stronger argument

Well, in all fairness, we didn't. So, uh, counterpoint?

Huh, interesting. I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_State s# Refugees_from_Nazi_Germany


Yes and no...FTFWiki "U.S. opposition to immigration in general in the late 1930s was motivated by the grave economic pressures, the high unemployment rate, and social frustration and disillusionment."

Sound familiar?

Methinks immigration becomes more of a hot button in bad economic times. Racism/xenophobia is simply a grotesques manifestation of fear. Unstable economic times is fertile ground for fear.
 
2014-08-01 02:25:33 AM  
Or what RoxtarRyansaid...
 
2014-08-01 02:28:28 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Key quote:   "This is not a theocracy!" Carlson exclaimed. "No, no. The country is not run according to Christian precept here."


Good point, Mr. Carlson.  Now then, explain to us why the GOP continues to work very hard to install a theocracy in this country.  Go on, we'll wait.


because they feel it should be.  Duh.  It's got what the founding fathers crave.
 
2014-08-01 02:32:00 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So the Old Testament rules against gays are bad, but the Old Testament rules about immigrants are fine? This is why biblical arguments are pretty stupid ones to base policy on. Yeah, it's funny that one Christian called out another on how non-Christian they were acting, but if there was a universal understanding of Christianity, we wouldn't have a thousand different sects of the faith.


I don't think people are capable of a universal understanding or consensus on anything.
 
2014-08-01 02:32:43 AM  

RoxtarRyan: 4-6 weeks? More like years.


A friend of mine who's originally from Mexico and obtained his U.S. citizenship legally over a span of years isn't the least bit bashful in bragging that he is more knowledgeable about American law and history than I am.

Probably true too.

/ says his file in getting it all done is as thick as a phonebook
 
2014-08-01 02:33:20 AM  
the biggest problem with christianity are the christians.

/wallet before God
 
2014-08-01 02:36:31 AM  

kidgenius: She's wrong, but she's trotting out the trope that many conservatives like to yell about. If they agree with her, then they are a hypocrite. If they disagree with her then they are changing their stance.

I'm OK with this. You use their words against them.


Jesusjitsu!
 
2014-08-01 02:36:43 AM  

hubiestubert: bdub77: I love when Tucker said "I've been around, I've seen the suffering."

Is that like when he pays a homeless guy to jerk him off?

Once, he saw a friend with a trust fund realize that his card had been declined. He's been there when a rental agency didn't have leather seats available, and I hear he once even was bumped back into coach class on a plane. Reservations have been lost, weekends ruined by caterers who've been double booked, and safety schools that rejected applicants because of "youthful exuberance" with the football team and debate society. He has looked into that yawning Abyss, and seen the hoi polloi, and seen their faces, their cold, grim faces yearning to feast upon his salary, and in their eyes, he saw his own desire for monetary compensation reflected, twisted by need and pooritude, and it was then he realized that they were mockeries of humanity and goodness, and it left him so cold, that he had to curl up in a hot shower to revive, and while he was there, his wine was diluted thanks to the lack of a proper shelf. Don't you dare tell him that he hasn't suffered. Don't. You. Dare.


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2014-08-01 02:37:50 AM  

tjfly: Hey Farkers - Christians will give you immigration (so you can get the votes) if you can give us abortion (so we can save the lives).... Else your arguments about Christianity are self-serving and disenginuous.


What did Christ say about abortion again? please give us the quotes.

No, cells that have no brain activity are not "alive" but thanks for playing.
 
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