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2014-07-31 01:28:48 PM  
Duh.  Those rights only apply to rich people and corporations.
 
2014-07-31 01:32:44 PM  
Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?
 
2014-07-31 01:33:22 PM  

SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?


Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.
 
2014-07-31 01:45:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.


I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.
 
2014-07-31 02:01:58 PM  
They can assemble and speak and petition the government. The process of collective bargaining whereby a union becomes the sole bargaining agent for terms and conditions of employment is a creation of statute, not a constitutional right.
 
2014-07-31 02:02:00 PM  

SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.


This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.
 
2014-07-31 02:04:13 PM  

RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.


It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.
 
2014-07-31 02:11:03 PM  

ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.


So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.
 
2014-07-31 02:24:32 PM  

Nabb1: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.

So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.


Wow. I cannot for the life of me imagine an elected state supreme court. I almost had a heart attack the first time I voted in California and there were judges on the ballot.
 
2014-07-31 02:28:50 PM  

ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.

So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.

Wow. I cannot for the life of me imagine an elected state supreme court. I almost had a heart attack the first time I voted in California and there were judges on the ballot.


All our judges are elected at every level. Did I mention that the ABA has listed Louisiana as a "judicial hell hole"? And California, too. Coincidence?
 
2014-07-31 02:33:03 PM  

Nabb1: ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.

So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.

Wow. I cannot for the life of me imagine an elected state supreme court. I almost had a heart attack the first time I voted in California and there were judges on the ballot.

All our judges are elected at every level. Did I mention that the ABA has listed Louisiana as a "judicial hell hole"? And California, too. Coincidence?


Oh dear.
 
2014-07-31 02:39:48 PM  

ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.

So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.

Wow. I cannot for the life of me imagine an elected state supreme court. I almost had a heart attack the first time I voted in California and there were judges on the ballot.

All our judges are elected at every level. Did I mention that the ABA has listed Louisiana as a "judicial hell hole"? And California, too. Coincidence?

Oh dear.


I love practicing law here. I also love to drink and take anti-depressants.
 
2014-07-31 02:47:55 PM  

Nabb1: ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.

So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.

Wow. I cannot for the life of me imagine an elected state supreme court. I almost had a heart attack the first time I voted in California and there were judges on the ballot.

All our judges are elected at every level. Did I mention that the ABA has listed Louisiana as a "judicial hell hole"? And California, too. Coincidence?

Oh dear.

I love practicing law here. I also love to drink and take anti-depressants.


I love one of those things!
 
2014-07-31 03:03:10 PM  
In that case, I am taking my gigantic water slide needs elsewhere, thank you very much!
 
2014-07-31 03:03:21 PM  
Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.
 
Ehh
2014-07-31 03:04:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.


Weren't there some deciding votes that decided to appear on a very Republican election official's computer just in time to make sure the "right" judge won a close election? Hmm.

Nice democracy you have there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
 
2014-07-31 03:05:21 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.


So they are a legal monopoly?
 
2014-07-31 03:06:24 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

There may be some good news on the horizon: in spite of spending twice as much, he remains in a dead heat with a woman (Mary Burke) whose only political experience has been as a member of the Madison School Board.   It also doesn't help him that in spite of his promise to bring 250,000 jobs to the state, the jobs numbers have been at best dismal.
 
2014-07-31 03:06:48 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.


You don't think Walker and his cronies wouldn't LOVE to have that happen?  They could privatize the entire state!
 
2014-07-31 03:07:18 PM  

dwrash: Farkin_Crazy: Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.

So they are a legal monopoly?


What makes you think that?

As individuals, they have the right to just quit. Done. Get a job in the public sector. Move away from the state. Do something else.
And when fires burn, crime rates soar, roads go unplowed, schools don't open, don't blame them. They don't work there any more.
 
2014-07-31 03:07:29 PM  

Nabb1: ginandbacon: Nabb1: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: SphericalTime: cameroncrazy1984: SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?

Wisconsin has gone insane since Walker was elected. It'll take years to undo the damage.

I'm more worried about the Supreme Court, but yeah.

This is what happens when you have an elected Supreme Court.

It's ELECTED? Holy farking crap.

So is Louisiana's. The US Supreme Court held in 1979 that collective bargaining is not a First Amendment right.

Wow. I cannot for the life of me imagine an elected state supreme court. I almost had a heart attack the first time I voted in California and there were judges on the ballot.

All our judges are elected at every level. Did I mention that the ABA has listed Louisiana as a "judicial hell hole"? And California, too. Coincidence?


So, just out of curiosity, can  anyone just run and get elected as a judge? Like, could any old high-school dropout become a judge if they were elected?
 
2014-07-31 03:08:26 PM  

SphericalTime: Wait, I just read that article.  That ruling is insane.  Collective bargaining isn't a fundamental right?  WTF are they thinking?


There's a perfect way to enshrine collective bargaining in the law: pass a law. Put it in your state constitution. Use the political and legislative processes the way they were intended to be used and stop biatching that a court won't create that right for you.
 
2014-07-31 03:09:14 PM  
What happened to you Wisconsin? You used to be cool.
 
2014-07-31 03:10:18 PM  
Public employees. Even FDR agreed.
 
2014-07-31 03:11:53 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Farkin_Crazy: Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.

You don't think Walker and his cronies wouldn't LOVE to have that happen?  They could privatize the entire state!


The payout for what pensions there are would bankrupt the state. Can you imagine %85+ municipalities and school districts and the havoc that would rain down on the state?

I don't live there, but if I did, and my spouse worked for a local, county, or state department, she would be quitting as of tomorrow 8:00am.
 
2014-07-31 03:13:29 PM  

Wellon Dowd: What happened to you Wisconsin? You used to be cool.


They put Republicans in power, and repeatedly opted to keep them there.

I have exactly zero sympathy for the citizens of Wisconsin. I normally don't subscribe to the "They knew what they were getting into, I say let them crash" mindset, but you've had ample opportunity to rectify this situation.
 
2014-07-31 03:14:38 PM  

Wellon Dowd: What happened to you Wisconsin? You used to be cool.


They haven't been cool since Happy Days.
 
2014-07-31 03:15:38 PM  

RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.


That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.
 
2014-07-31 03:15:45 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: dwrash: Farkin_Crazy: Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.

So they are a legal monopoly?

What makes you think that?

As individuals, they have the right to just quit. Done. Get a job in the public sector. Move away from the state. Do something else.
And when fires burn, crime rates soar, roads go unplowed, schools don't open, don't blame them. They don't work there any more.


But they cannot work unless they join the union... correct?  So the union is the only provider of workers to the state.. right?
 
2014-07-31 03:16:31 PM  
Money is speech.

Speaking to your boss about getting more money is not speech.
 
2014-07-31 03:16:59 PM  

Wellon Dowd: What happened to you Wisconsin? You used to be cool.


They are so screwed, yet stupidly cool about it it seems.
 
2014-07-31 03:17:22 PM  
"When Wisconsin passed its amendment banning same-sex marriage in 2006, it also prohibited the recognition of any 'legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage.' The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the state's 2009 same-sex domestic partner law is constitutional and does not conflict with the marriage amendment."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that the WI Supreme Court just ruled that domestic partnerships are not equal to marriage, in spite of all those Republicans who argued that domestic partnerships would legally be equal to marriages, and gays should be happy with that?
 
2014-07-31 03:17:50 PM  

Serious Black: RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.

That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.


No.. FDR was against unions when it came to the federal government (hence the civil service program.. which is not a union and they cannot strike).

States could take the same approach if they so chose.. but have allowed the mess and hostage taking that unions cause.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:17 PM  
If this doesn't galvanize the voters to come out in force and vote for Mary Burk then nothing will. Please people get out and vote.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:36 PM  
Sad thing is this will up Walker's cred as a "union buster" and motivate his base.

Question now being how much will this motivate those who oppose the FAS-faced farkwit.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:46 PM  
This is what the voters of WI wanted. They even had a chance to escape but doubled down.

I say let 'em crash.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:46 PM  

qorkfiend: They put Republicans in power, and repeatedly opted to keep them there.


people ought to quit doing this if they're going to complain when the Republicans inevitably run their local and state governments into the ground, leaving broken infrastructure, debt and gutted economies behind for someone else to clean up.

Vote for local Republicans for dogcatcher? You're part of the problem. You're voting to keep that shiatshow alive.
 
2014-07-31 03:19:39 PM  

dwrash: Farkin_Crazy: Every single town, city, county and state employee should just walk off the job.

Good bye. Shut er down.

So they are a legal monopoly?


Yeah. We can't go around having legal monopolies. Unless it's a drug manufacturer, of course. Or a fossil fuel extractor. Or a car dealership.
 
2014-07-31 03:20:15 PM  
Corporations are human enough to carry religious beliefs, but a state employee union isn't human enough to have collective bargaining rights.
 
2014-07-31 03:20:26 PM  

dwrash: Serious Black: RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.

That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.

No.. FDR was against unions when it came to the federal government (hence the civil service program.. which is not a union and they cannot strike).

States could take the same approach if they so chose.. but have allowed the mess and hostage taking that unions cause.


how do unions take hostages?
 
2014-07-31 03:20:27 PM  

yanoosh: If this doesn't galvanize the voters to come out in force and vote for Mary Burk then nothing will. Please people get out and vote.


Lotta THIS.

/Go Burk.
 
2014-07-31 03:21:13 PM  

Nabb1: I love practicing law here. I also love to drink and take anti-depressants.


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-31 03:22:35 PM  

qorkfiend: Wellon Dowd: What happened to you Wisconsin? You used to be cool.

They put Republicans in power, and repeatedly opted to keep them there.

I have exactly zero sympathy for the citizens of Wisconsin. I normally don't subscribe to the "They knew what they were getting into, I say let them crash" mindset, but you've had ample opportunity to rectify this situation.


I lived there and moved. Pretty much this. There is a sea of derp unlike anything I ever dealt with going on there. Tons of people wanting prayer in schools, give corporations billions in tax breaks to come there because there are no decent paying jobs, elect derp because they put on commercials saying you dont want Obummer politics here DO YOU??? People there still have a 1950's mentality. They still believe in not locking their doors or car at night because who would steal. Then after they get robbed go on the news and are shocked they got robbed and how the area isnt what is used to be and how much better things were back in the good old days. Bring up Milwaukee and get looks of fright because, there are Chicago thugs down there and they are moving into rural parts of the state. But i think what really pisses them off is WI voted for Obama 2x with help from students around the state that are sick of the state being a backwoods hole in the wall and trying to move it into the 21st century kicking and screaming.
 
2014-07-31 03:23:05 PM  

dr_blasto: dwrash: Serious Black: RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.

That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.

No.. FDR was against unions when it came to the federal government (hence the civil service program.. which is not a union and they cannot strike).

States could take the same approach if they so chose.. but have allowed the mess and hostage taking that unions cause.

how do unions take hostages?


Terroristly.
 
2014-07-31 03:24:16 PM  

dr_blasto: dwrash: Serious Black: RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.

That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.

No.. FDR was against unions when it came to the federal government (hence the civil service program.. which is not a union and they cannot strike).

States could take the same approach if they so chose.. but have allowed the mess and hostage taking that unions cause.

how do unions take hostages?


The teachers unions sure held my kids future hostage for the sole reason that they would not maintain the status of being the highest paid teachers in the state... gasp

They were on strike for that exact reason for 3 weeks one year.
 
2014-07-31 03:24:19 PM  
I'm not seeing that in TFA, subby...
 
2014-07-31 03:24:25 PM  

dr_blasto: dwrash: Serious Black: RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.

That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.

No.. FDR was against unions when it came to the federal government (hence the civil service program.. which is not a union and they cannot strike).

States could take the same approach if they so chose.. but have allowed the mess and hostage taking that unions cause.

how do unions take hostages?


They think regular people deserve a living wage. HOW DO THEY EXPECT JOB CREATORS TO CREATE JOBS IF THEY HAVE TO PAY EMPLOYEES?
 
2014-07-31 03:24:37 PM  

qorkfiend: Wellon Dowd: What happened to you Wisconsin? You used to be cool.

They put Republicans in power, and repeatedly opted to keep them there.

I have exactly zero sympathy for the citizens of Wisconsin. I normally don't subscribe to the "They knew what they were getting into, I say let them crash" mindset, but you've had ample opportunity to rectify this situation.


The problem is that Tom Barrett was not a very good candidate.  He isn't that charasmatic, and he didn't have any major policy as a Representative or the Mayor of Milwaukee.

He loses, and then Walker pisses people off.  They have a recall election... and it's Barrett again.  They broke the one rule of a recall election: don't run the guy who just lost.

Walker has been an awful Governor but he might survive because of how pathetic the Democratic Party is in WI.
 
2014-07-31 03:25:09 PM  

dwrash: Serious Black: RobertBruce: Public employees. Even FDR agreed.

That public employees have the right to assemble together to demand "fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances"? Yeah, you're right, he did agree.

No.. FDR was against unions when it came to the federal government (hence the civil service program.. which is not a union and they cannot strike).

States could take the same approach if they so chose.. but have allowed the mess and hostage taking that unions cause.


Well, duh, It's not like FDR explicitly said "Organization on [public employees'] part to present their views on [fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievance, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy] is both natural and logical."
 
2014-07-31 03:25:30 PM  

qorkfiend: I have exactly zero sympathy for the citizens of Wisconsin. I normally don't subscribe to the "They knew what they were getting into, I say let them crash" mindset, but you've had ample opportunity to rectify this situation.


Because as we all know, 100% of the vote went to Walker and so we all deserve it.
 
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