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(Washington Post)   Surprising almost no one, almost every fact the federal government relies upon to argue against legalizing marijuana is completely wrong. What the hell are they smoking?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 46
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2014-07-31 01:28:56 PM
8 votes:

nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"


Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,
2014-07-31 02:37:12 PM
5 votes:
I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.
2014-07-31 03:06:46 PM
3 votes:

phillydrifter: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 320x240]
/because the DEA's funding would bottom out if they could no longer target a weed
//that's not me; no sir-ee
///besides, it's just tobacco, proven lethal, legal


Ding? Ding? I believe we have a winnah!
2014-07-31 02:51:36 PM
3 votes:

jso2897: snocone: Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?

The lubrication and fuel potential of medicinal marijuana, grown for THC and cannabinol content, is virtually nil.



Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp; he actually ran the thing on peanut oil for the 1900 World's Fair. Henry Ford used hemp to not only construct cars but also fuel them.

As an alternative to methanol, hemp has at least one glowing report: the plant produces up to four times more cellulose per acre than trees. And a hemp crop grows a little quicker than a forest.

As for an alternative to petroleum...

Hemp grows like mad from border to border in America; so shortages are unlikely. And, unlike petrol, unless we run out of soil, hemp is renewable.

Growing and harvesting the stuff has much less environmental impact than procuring oil.

Hemp fuel is biodegradable; so oil spills become fertilizer not eco-catastrophes.

Hemp fuel does not contribute to sulfur dioxide air poisoning.

Other noxious emissions like carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons are radically slashed by using "biodiesel.

Hemp fuel is nontoxic and only a mild skin irritant; anybody who,s ever cleaned out an old carburetor with gasoline can confirm the same is not true for petrol.

Growing hemp for fuel would be a tremendous boon for American farmers and the agricultural industry, as opposed to people like, say, the Bush family.

And that,s why hemp might not go anywhere as a fuel alternative. Oil interests are big and donate likewise to politicians, and selling a man on an idea that will cost him more than he,ll benefit requires an amazingly skilled orator -- or a gun. Unfortunately, unless you,re the federal government, gunpoint conversions are usually illegal. Ergo, PR is about the best bet right now.
2014-07-31 07:31:49 PM
2 votes:

ds615: It doesn't matter.
They could say they don't want to legalize it because it causes people to spontaneously explode, and it wouldn't matter.
It's illegal.
Get over it. Grow up. Get a job. Be useful.


"it's illegal because it's bad for you...it's bad for you because it's illegal..."

It's going to be legal, get over it.

And relax, pretty much everyone who wants to get high has been doing so already - prohibition has been a dismal failure and costs the US 7 billion bucks a year just for Cannabis.  Would work just as well to pile up cash and set it on fire.
2014-07-31 03:23:21 PM
2 votes:
LaGuardia Committee, 1946:  `beat cops have more important things to do'
Nixon's Shafer Commission, 1972:  Federal decriminalization is the way to go

Same tired horses were dragged out on the track of fools, then.

Only gateway one can identify with relative certainty is mother's milk

It's so much stronger!  Yeah, titrate the farking dose and one doesn't have to buy more as often

Schizophrenia! (yeah, about self medicating for any mental illness owing primarily to lack of services, huh?)

"Factor" in auto accidents (just try to run down stats on number of accidents that can be attributed to marijuana, alone - not also, tired, drunk, texting, etc.).  The Warning Label on the Federally Approved, Schedule III, synthetic Delta 9 THC pill (Dronabinol/Marinol)?  "Do not operate motor vehicles or heavy machinery until the patient knows what the effect of this medication has on them" (kinda like Benadryl).  It is also interesting to note that the FDA has identified 4 deaths that can be directly attributed to this big pharma substitute (1986-2009).

if you have the time, google-up Irvin Rosenfeld.  He has been receiving 9 Oz. of 3.5% Delta 9 from Uncle Sugar's pot farm at the U. of Mississippi, every month (300 machine rolled cigarettes) since 1982.  He's still employed as a stockbroker & working on changing the law in Florida (has appeared before several State legislative committees over the years).
Rosenfeld and his few Federal Compassionate Use Cohort petitioned the FDA to perform diagnostic testing on them to determine what the long term effect of their use was - the FDA refused (why would that be, huh?).  They had their own testing done:  Mild bronchitis & improved quality of life - that is all.
2014-07-31 03:09:06 PM
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.



Do you know how I know that you don't know what you're talking about?
2014-07-31 02:42:06 PM
2 votes:

Dinki: nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,



The Man is worried that he'll have to release all the non-violent pot prisoners, causing a drop in private, for profit prison growth/revenue,  and that the released prisoners will sue for wrongful imprisonment, and to try to get their seized houses/cars/boats/life savings back.

Nixon recriminalized cannabis and stepped up the drug war mostly to strike out at the Vietnam protestors. People are in jail today so he could get those hippies off his lawn.
2014-07-31 02:40:56 PM
2 votes:

Dinki: nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,


The prison industry and "medicinal" grower industry arguments make sense, butI don't understand the big pharma argument.  That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.
2014-07-31 02:35:23 PM
2 votes:
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2014-07-31 02:26:12 PM
2 votes:
Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?
2014-07-31 02:05:06 PM
2 votes:

Dinki: Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,


You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.
2014-07-31 12:06:41 PM
2 votes:
NO, No, no.
Not so fast.
ALL THEIR DERP ARE LIES!
Not, just wrong, but LIES!
Sure, there are some idiot sycophants and that 50% of sub-par humans, but the Best and Brightest and absolutelyfarkingall of your politicians know the truth.

Do Not let these criminals up off the mat.
2014-08-01 11:17:31 AM
1 votes:

DustBunny: tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home

Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...


Growing pot is quite a bit easier than homebrewing.  I do some homebrewing, but I'd say that 75% of the beer I drink is store-bought, just because I don't want to put in the time it would take to brew it all myself.  100% of the pot I smoke is home-grown, because it's so easy.
2014-08-01 01:58:44 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.


Wow, complete bullshiat.  You either have an agenda or a brother-in-law that you hate because he sits at home all day smoking pot while your sister goes to work.  Most of my friends smoke pot and they smoke maybe, MAYBE two bowls a day.  If you decide to quit life and do nothing but smoke pot then maybe I could see that but the vast majority of pot smokers have jobs, families and responsibilities that don't allow that kind of use.  It's more of a "the kids are finally asleep on a weekend night" or "i'm going camping" kind of use.  That's like saying most people who drink crush a liter of liquor or 18 beers a day.

Or maybe it just speaks of the people you "know".  But my money is on you are just speaking directly out of your ass.
2014-07-31 09:34:49 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: When I first moved to Oregon, I met someone that was adamant that we not legalize it, just decriminalize it, because the didn't want to have to pay taxes on what they smoked, as well as they knew it in their hearts that the bulk of what would end up on a legal market would be grown by someone like Philip Morris and not be very good.


Yep, just like most (?) beer is produced by Annheuser-Busch and isn't very good, but there's heaps of smaller operations that are producing quality products at different price points...power of the market, baby!
2014-07-31 07:30:04 PM
1 votes:

tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home


Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...
2014-07-31 05:19:40 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2014-07-31 05:09:46 PM
1 votes:
global3.memecdn.com
2014-07-31 04:21:27 PM
1 votes:

groppet: I dont smoke but at this point it looks like it is useless to stop legalization. I  get tired of the same lame excuses from the DEA and police & family groups. Just wish they made a strain that would get my roomate off the couch and get a job.


Get that layabout an equatorial Sativa (high THC/low CBD), that'll move him (they stopped selling Magnesium Pemolate so - can't make much headway on dumb).

Didn't run into any Indicas until the early `80's (grew nothing but Santa Marta `Rainbow').  Friends started mentioning `fat girl' dope.  As it was the dawn of hip-hop I didn't think much about it.  Someone had some of this with them and I imbibed - farking disgusting slow heavy farking lethargy of body and mind - yeah, `fat (fill in sex)' someones sitting with the ice cream melting on their chests. Won't even go near a hybrid.

/to each their own
2014-07-31 04:19:14 PM
1 votes:
A government and it's "constituents" will criminalize and regulate any resource which the average person can make for themselves. The economy and many industries require the ability to be the source for certain products. In the case of intoxicants, this includes liquor and tobacco. There is a reason that it is illegal in most place to grow your own tobacco or make your own booze. It's not because the government is trying to protect you, it's working to protect the companies that they are friendly with.
2014-07-31 04:16:28 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Shakin_Haitian: Because THC only gets you high.

The Israelis might disagree-

Patients were assigned randomly to groups given cannabis, twice daily, in the form of cigarettes containing 115 mg of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or placebo containing cannabis flowers from which the THC had been extracted. Disease activity and laboratory tests were assessed during 8 weeks of treatment and 2 weeks thereafter.
RESULTS:
Complete remission (CDAI score, <150) was achieved by 5 of 11 subjects in the cannabis group (45%) and 1 of 10 in the placebo group (10%; P = .43). A clinical response (decrease in CDAI score of >100) was observed in 10 of 11 subjects in the cannabis group (90%; from 330 ± 105 to 152 ± 109) and 4 of 10 in the placebo group (40%; from 373 ± 94 to 306 ± 143; P = .028). Three patients in the cannabis group were weaned from steroid dependency. Subjects receiving cannabis reported improved appetite and sleep, with no significant side effects.


What was the concentration of other cannabinoids?  That study isn't good enough because there are too many confounding variables i.e. the concentrations of other cannabinoids in the cannabis they were using.  I don't know enough about the chemistry, but I imagine that the similarities between cannabinoids is close enough that you can't extract just THC from the plant.
2014-07-31 04:06:38 PM
1 votes:
2014-07-31 04:04:42 PM
1 votes:
*Sigh* At this point I'm just hoping PA passes the medical marijuana bill that's getting put to a vote soon. If/when that happens, fiance and I want to go through whatever necessary process to become certified growers. I keep hoping it'll be outright legalized in my lifetime but I'm not holding my breath. I just don't want to keep worrying about getting arrested for simply possessing it or growing it, like I was about two years ago, and all for nothing. Thry took my 15 plants (though they somehow overlooked the little one in the window) and arrested me in front of my niece, sister, & grandfather and I spent 16 hours in jail til my arraignment and bail was processed. End result? Probation without verdict (6 months) with absolutely no court or supervision costs so the state/county actually just lost money processing my case and I wound up without any conviction whatsoever and my plants being seized while the cops laughed about it and talked about how "pretty" and "stinky" they were.

/We'd move to CO if we could but fiance has 5 years of probation here in PA and neither of us wantsto leave our families, eespecially with our first baby coming in about 6 weeks...
//Why yes, the pic in my profile WAS one of my beauties from a harvest about 4-5 years ago; as soon as we are able, we're setting up shop and putting our grow skills to work. I can't think of a more fulfilling way for me to make a living...
///But I'm thinking we'll probably wind up having to move to make it happen; PA isn't exactly a "progressive" state. Guess we'll just have to wait til we can leave to live our dream :/
2014-07-31 03:41:34 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Linux_Yes: Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!

Linux_Yes: Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!

Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::

Please, keep posting- you are bringing so much insight into the discussion.


// yeah yeah, welcome to FARK and all that....


I don't know Linux_Yes, but isn't there a non-zero chance he's being sarcastic?
2014-07-31 03:40:25 PM
1 votes:
DNRTFA, DNRTFT, but I'm going to guess ignorance and fear, same as they use for every other topic?

Want to keep gay marriage banned? use ignorance and fear to keep it illegal.
Want to impose draconian surveillance laws and sweeping new powers and armament levels to police? use ignorance and fear to get the public to accept it.
Want to impose more gun control? Use ignorance and fear to push it.

It's the same for any political narrative supporting anything: Present the facts, or reasonable facsimiles of the facts, or even outright lies as facts, make sure that it's presented in such a way as to seem your point of view is the most cogent/acceptable/right, and then use fear of NOT doing the thing as the stick to get people to fear NOT having it more than having it.

It's basic psychology, and it works like a charm in this country. You question the official line? You're bound to be ostracized, criticized, and otherwise marginalized as a cook or a crackpot or a conspiracy nut, and people don't want the level of public shaming that they get when they go against the status quo.  Oh sure, you have a few here and there that manage to say things in a way that isn't picked up but isn't pushed against either, but that's a very rare thing.

I'd like to say that Americans are fairly well capable of sorting fact from fiction and that voters are often well-informed on the issues, but I mean, come on, 50% of the US roughly still believes in young earth creationism and denies Global Warming.  Ask anyone on the street what's happening in Israel/Gaza or any of the details behind the conflict, and most people will either say "oh israel's just fighting back against Hamas because they got attacked" or "Israel's taking over Gaza" or some other crap that has absolutely no historical context or truth to it.

And don't get me farking started on the retardation that is Americans choosing to support and closing the market to things like Clean Diesel, Nuclear Power, etc.

America, Bought and Paid For, our quality of life and ability to remain a free country flushed thanks to big bucks and political interests.

/end rant
2014-07-31 03:36:54 PM
1 votes:
Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.
2014-07-31 03:34:30 PM
1 votes:
My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::
2014-07-31 03:29:24 PM
1 votes:
Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!
2014-07-31 03:19:13 PM
1 votes:
I think this will be the big central test of Obama's last two years:  does he legalize it, or leave thousands of young black men to be persecuted?  If he keeps quiet, his whole legacy is tainted by the failure.
2014-07-31 03:18:51 PM
1 votes:

WeenerGord: Maybe the reason that the gov's anti-argument is weak, is that they are already planning to roll over on this matter, and only putting up a token show of resistance for the fundies.


I don't think so. Obama came in with a "don't bother with marijuana arrests" advisement to Justice and they totally ignored it. We like to think of our government as being efficient, top down, and the President's desk as being where the buck stops, but the truth of the matter is that it's a messy maze of institutional interests, and unless you're willing and able to use your appointment-power to cut through that(as Bush was and Obama isn't[in large part due to R appointment stalling to be fair]), then those little bureaucratic "kingdoms" will pursue their own objectives regardless of what the Big Guy says.

So, while Obama, and maybe even the DNC leadership, may be friendly or at least neutral to the idea of legalization, they either don't care enough about the issue, or can't bring forward the necessary resources, to fight the prohibitionists on it seriously. Some might be willing to "roll over" on it, but there are enough people, well placed enough in the gov, who aren't to prevent federal legalization for a long while. That's why the state-by-state move is such a good idea(along with how it gives libertarian/NeoConfed Republicans a great big "States' Rights" boner). It cuts the bureaucracies with the biggest prohibitionist blocks -Justice, the DEA, the FBI, Customs, DHS- out of the decision-making process, and in a way that is unquestionably both democratic and legal(voter initiatives). At the same time, it begins to normalize marijuana access/use, turning the PR field against the prohibitionists, and setting us up for eventual decriminalization and outright legalization, hopefully sometime in the 2020s.
2014-07-31 03:15:09 PM
1 votes:
The ban on marijuana isn't a scientific argument, it's a moral one.
Like most moral arguments it is subject to bias, bigotry, and individual whims.

Someone who's out to clean up the streets so eagerly is likely to have a personal agenda in mind.
What those pushing for the ban on weed wanted was no less than legalized racism, and they got it.
2014-07-31 03:10:35 PM
1 votes:
I forgot to say:

which is even worse because now you're drawing up contaminants from deeper in the soil and depositing them on top of the soil to flow back into lakes or inside animals that graze on those plants where it can reallyconcentrate.
2014-07-31 03:04:14 PM
1 votes:

tillerman35: Translation: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home.  And they'll stop using booze, so that tax revenue will go out the window.  Plus that suit made out of monies that the alcohol industry lobbyists gave me really looks nice.


Well, at least that's a RATIONAL line of argument. Even though they're overlooking that where it's legal cities and states are rolling in the tax dough. Their existing arguments are the purest form of bullshiat. I mean "Stuart Anderson-level Bullshiat".
2014-07-31 02:57:10 PM
1 votes:
Watch and learn kids!  Don't be sucked in by the liberal lamestream media!!!!
letstalknevada.com
2014-07-31 02:57:08 PM
1 votes:
What the hell are they smoking?

Ignorance
2014-07-31 02:54:39 PM
1 votes:

H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.


Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?
2014-07-31 02:54:35 PM
1 votes:
What were they smoking? White Supremacist racism. The original campaign to delegalize marijuana had a lot to do with it being seen as a substance used by black folks and latinos, which was "corrupting" white folks. No surprise that it would continue to be founded on a pack of lies when it's always been bullshiat from the very start.
2014-07-31 02:48:41 PM
1 votes:

bikerbob59: that reminds me, I have to get some more marijuana syringes.


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2014-07-31 02:43:31 PM
1 votes:
4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.


Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.
2014-07-31 02:33:26 PM
1 votes:

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Dinki: I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.

The last time California tried to legalize it there was a huge pushback from the growers in Humbolt, most of who are growing on private land.  They held community workshops and passed out flyers against it.  And that was their argument.  That Medicinal MJ had already hurt profits, and if you legalized it Philip Morris and big ag would move in and put all the current growers out of business.

I'm already starting to hear similar complaints out of Oregon where it will go on the ballot this fall.


Everyone wants to protect their own pile of money, and fark everyone else.

fark those greedy assholes.
2014-07-31 02:17:45 PM
1 votes:

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.


I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.
2014-07-31 01:21:20 PM
1 votes:
Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"
2014-07-31 12:34:47 PM
1 votes:
www.drugaddictiontreatment.ca

THIS is what you will look like after just ONE marihuana.
2014-07-31 12:26:37 PM
1 votes:

snocone: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's the goddamned hippies fault

/goddamned hippies ruin everything

You sound like a yippie.


Whatever happened to them? Yippies were kind of like Windows Vista- it never really took off, did it?
2014-07-31 12:22:36 PM
1 votes:
It's the goddamned hippies fault

/goddamned hippies ruin everything
 
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