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(Washington Post)   Surprising almost no one, almost every fact the federal government relies upon to argue against legalizing marijuana is completely wrong. What the hell are they smoking?   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-07-31 07:33:44 PM  

DustBunny: tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home

Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...


When I first moved to Oregon, I met someone that was adamant that we not legalize it, just decriminalize it, because the didn't want to have to pay taxes on what they smoked, as well as they knew it in their hearts that the bulk of what would end up on a legal market would be grown by someone like Philip Morris and not be very good.
 
2014-07-31 08:16:41 PM  

ds615: It's illegal. Get over it.


It's illegal because it's illegal.   That is a ONDCP quality argument right there.

/it's not a proper hemp thread without a few bootlicker comments
 
2014-07-31 08:54:34 PM  
 
2014-07-31 09:34:49 PM  

meat0918: When I first moved to Oregon, I met someone that was adamant that we not legalize it, just decriminalize it, because the didn't want to have to pay taxes on what they smoked, as well as they knew it in their hearts that the bulk of what would end up on a legal market would be grown by someone like Philip Morris and not be very good.


Yep, just like most (?) beer is produced by Annheuser-Busch and isn't very good, but there's heaps of smaller operations that are producing quality products at different price points...power of the market, baby!
 
2014-07-31 10:04:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.


Yep.  All the way home.
 
2014-07-31 10:09:16 PM  
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2014-07-31 10:33:19 PM  

phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com

Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->


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2014-07-31 10:44:58 PM  

keepitcherry: Shakin_Haitian: [i2.wp.com image 460x464]

Holy shiat - source? LOL I laughed way harder at that than I should have


No idea, some random forum one night, I'm sure.
 
2014-07-31 10:54:03 PM  

Itstoearly: How do cigarettes contribute to violence?


Well, duh. Second hand smoke kills.

But it's not very accurate.
 
2014-08-01 12:12:01 AM  

phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com

Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->


Well... they didn't die, did they?
 
2014-08-01 12:13:18 AM  

real_headhoncho: phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com

Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->

Well... they didn't die, did they?


If they had, I'm sure they would have said something.
 
2014-08-01 01:58:44 AM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.


Wow, complete bullshiat.  You either have an agenda or a brother-in-law that you hate because he sits at home all day smoking pot while your sister goes to work.  Most of my friends smoke pot and they smoke maybe, MAYBE two bowls a day.  If you decide to quit life and do nothing but smoke pot then maybe I could see that but the vast majority of pot smokers have jobs, families and responsibilities that don't allow that kind of use.  It's more of a "the kids are finally asleep on a weekend night" or "i'm going camping" kind of use.  That's like saying most people who drink crush a liter of liquor or 18 beers a day.

Or maybe it just speaks of the people you "know".  But my money is on you are just speaking directly out of your ass.
 
2014-08-01 10:22:59 AM  

Headso: Jim_Callahan: Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

5 joints in sitting?


Shh, circling, he might land,,
 
2014-08-01 10:24:55 AM  

bmwericus: ds615: It doesn't matter.
They could say they don't want to legalize it because it causes people to spontaneously explode, and it wouldn't matter.
It's illegal.
Get over it. Grow up. Get a job. Be useful.

"it's illegal because it's bad for you...it's bad for you because it's illegal..."

It's going to be legal, get over it.

And relax, pretty much everyone who wants to get high has been doing so already - prohibition has been a dismal failure and costs the US 7 billion bucks a year just for Cannabis.  Would work just as well to pile up cash and set it on fire.


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2014-08-01 10:31:28 AM  

bunner: If it was about medicine, they could isolate the cannabinoids that effect the medicinal properties.  We have chemistry, now.  It's just prohibition v.2.0 grinding to a halt under the weight of all that revenue they ain't getting.  The government doesn't give a sh*t if you shoot LSD into your eyeball and swan dive off a building as long as you don't land on their car.


Working up a short story.
Citizens can prepay the tax revenue they are expected to generate in lifetime.
Paid up citizens are above the law, by law.
 
2014-08-01 10:56:35 AM  

Carn: Hemp is the sister plant to marijuana that used to be used for making linen


Linen is made from flax.
 
2014-08-01 11:06:32 AM  

weltallica: B-B-B-BUT how will America's for-profit prison system make their billions in profit?

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CEO'S!


Dont worry, they all have contracts with the states that guarantee profits whether they have inmates or not.

So they'll still get lots of money from the govt. Only now they wont even have to work for it.
 
2014-08-01 11:17:31 AM  

DustBunny: tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home

Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...


Growing pot is quite a bit easier than homebrewing.  I do some homebrewing, but I'd say that 75% of the beer I drink is store-bought, just because I don't want to put in the time it would take to brew it all myself.  100% of the pot I smoke is home-grown, because it's so easy.
 
2014-08-01 12:08:30 PM  

stonicus: If I take the reefer, doesn't that mean my wife will start sleeping with black men?


Mostly you'll get an urge to listen to that Negro Jazz music.
 
2014-08-01 12:35:22 PM  

chewd: weltallica: B-B-B-BUT how will America's for-profit prison system make their billions in profit?

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CEO'S!

Dont worry, they all have contracts with the states that guarantee profits whether they have inmates or not.

So they'll still get lots of money from the govt. Only now they wont even have to work for it.


So, will the food get better?

/fewer mouths, and all
 
2014-08-01 01:30:32 PM  
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2014-08-01 01:47:25 PM  

phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com


Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->


What does people being so brainwashed they think they can die from consuming ganja have to do with the fact that noone has ever dies from consuming ganja? Yes, we understand those in charge are completely irrational.
 
2014-08-01 08:43:14 PM  
Some people, especially the elderly, are terrified of pot because "drugs are bad".  That is changing though.  Fewer and fewer are allowing themselves to be misinformed.

But those that still adhere to the old propaganda are fodder for the sensational news outlets who cater specifically to fears.

Colorado and Washington cannot be undone.
 
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