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(Washington Post)   Surprising almost no one, almost every fact the federal government relies upon to argue against legalizing marijuana is completely wrong. What the hell are they smoking?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 223
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2014-07-31 03:29:24 PM  
Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!
 
2014-07-31 03:29:31 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?


I put it in my coffee every morning.
 
2014-07-31 03:30:35 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.


Au contraire... I have Crohns Disease. My Gastroentorolgist  had me on Pentasa ($800 /month) - it did nothing. Then he had me try Uceris ($1600/month)- did barely anything. He wanted me to try more disruptive drugs including immune suppressants. Instead, I started to read about the success pot had with other Crohns sufferers. Within 1 week of vaping pot once a day, most of my symptoms were gone. Now, 6 months later, my Crohns is in practically complete remission. I don't need some big pharma company charging me 3 or 4 hundred a month for something I can get for almost nothing (I grow my own specific strains).

Oh and tell these people that it barely works-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijua na /

http://www.sgvtribune.com/health/20140406/how-medical-marijuana-is-h el ping-californian-children-with-epilepsy
 
2014-07-31 03:33:35 PM  
Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!
 
2014-07-31 03:33:41 PM  

WeenerGord: jso2897: snocone: Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?

The lubrication and fuel potential of medicinal marijuana, grown for THC and cannabinol content, is virtually nil.


Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp; he actually ran the thing on peanut oil for the 1900 World's Fair. Henry Ford used hemp to not only construct cars but also fuel them.

As an alternative to methanol, hemp has at least one glowing report: the plant produces up to four times more cellulose per acre than trees. And a hemp crop grows a little quicker than a forest.

As for an alternative to petroleum...

Hemp grows like mad from border to border in America; so shortages are unlikely. And, unlike petrol, unless we run out of soil, hemp is renewable.

Growing and harvesting the stuff has much less environmental impact than procuring oil.

Hemp fuel is biodegradable; so oil spills become fertilizer not eco-catastrophes.

Hemp fuel does not contribute to sulfur dioxide air poisoning.

Other noxious emissions like carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons are radically slashed by using "biodiesel.

Hemp fuel is nontoxic and only a mild skin irritant; anybody who,s ever cleaned out an old carburetor with gasoline can confirm the same is not true for petrol.

Growing hemp for fuel would be a tremendous boon for American farmers and the agricultural industry, as opposed t ...


I would like to add to the facts of this post that, there is no carbon footprint from using hemp.  Whatever carbon is used and expelled to the atmosphere is exactly the same amount as used to grow it in the first place.  Unlike patroleum, where it's being dug up after having been buried for millions of years.
 
2014-07-31 03:34:30 PM  
My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::
 
2014-07-31 03:36:18 PM  

Linux_Yes: Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!


Linux_Yes: Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!


Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::


Please, keep posting- you are bringing so much insight into the discussion.


// yeah yeah, welcome to FARK and all that....
 
2014-07-31 03:36:34 PM  

phillydrifter: AeAe: Well.. we can disagree on that

Lets disagree. Tell me what else the Federal government could outlaw ("something else") that would require billions a year in funding to combat.

/just tap out, bro


I already mentioned it - prescription drug abuse. They don't have to outlaw it, but they would have to enforce and prosecute. Michelle Leonhart said in a congressional hearing that that is most important issue with regard to drug abuse.
 
2014-07-31 03:36:54 PM  
Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.
 
2014-07-31 03:37:59 PM  

AeAe: phillydrifter: AeAe: Well.. we can disagree on that

Lets disagree. Tell me what else the Federal government could outlaw ("something else") that would require billions a year in funding to combat.

/just tap out, bro

I already mentioned it - prescription drug abuse.


Ok. After carefully considering your argument, I've decided you lose. Thanks for trying.
 
2014-07-31 03:38:26 PM  

Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::


Yeah? I've been eating salty snacks all my life and that's probably less healthy than smoking weed.
 
2014-07-31 03:40:25 PM  
DNRTFA, DNRTFT, but I'm going to guess ignorance and fear, same as they use for every other topic?

Want to keep gay marriage banned? use ignorance and fear to keep it illegal.
Want to impose draconian surveillance laws and sweeping new powers and armament levels to police? use ignorance and fear to get the public to accept it.
Want to impose more gun control? Use ignorance and fear to push it.

It's the same for any political narrative supporting anything: Present the facts, or reasonable facsimiles of the facts, or even outright lies as facts, make sure that it's presented in such a way as to seem your point of view is the most cogent/acceptable/right, and then use fear of NOT doing the thing as the stick to get people to fear NOT having it more than having it.

It's basic psychology, and it works like a charm in this country. You question the official line? You're bound to be ostracized, criticized, and otherwise marginalized as a cook or a crackpot or a conspiracy nut, and people don't want the level of public shaming that they get when they go against the status quo.  Oh sure, you have a few here and there that manage to say things in a way that isn't picked up but isn't pushed against either, but that's a very rare thing.

I'd like to say that Americans are fairly well capable of sorting fact from fiction and that voters are often well-informed on the issues, but I mean, come on, 50% of the US roughly still believes in young earth creationism and denies Global Warming.  Ask anyone on the street what's happening in Israel/Gaza or any of the details behind the conflict, and most people will either say "oh israel's just fighting back against Hamas because they got attacked" or "Israel's taking over Gaza" or some other crap that has absolutely no historical context or truth to it.

And don't get me farking started on the retardation that is Americans choosing to support and closing the market to things like Clean Diesel, Nuclear Power, etc.

America, Bought and Paid For, our quality of life and ability to remain a free country flushed thanks to big bucks and political interests.

/end rant
 
2014-07-31 03:40:55 PM  
At this point, they're defending a tradition rather than trying to protect society from a danger...

On the other hand, congressmen voted to defend a cotton magnate's interests in the 30s - what's changed?
 
2014-07-31 03:41:19 PM  
i.imgur.com

B-B-B-BUT how will America's for-profit prison system make their billions in profit?

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CEO'S!
 
2014-07-31 03:41:34 PM  

Dinki: Linux_Yes: Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!

Linux_Yes: Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!

Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::

Please, keep posting- you are bringing so much insight into the discussion.


// yeah yeah, welcome to FARK and all that....


I don't know Linux_Yes, but isn't there a non-zero chance he's being sarcastic?
 
2014-07-31 03:42:04 PM  

Heron: WeenerGord: Maybe the reason that the gov's anti-argument is weak, is that they are already planning to roll over on this matter, and only putting up a token show of resistance for the fundies.

I don't think so. Obama came in with a "don't bother with marijuana arrests" advisement to Justice and they totally ignored it. We like to think of our government as being efficient, top down, and the President's desk as being where the buck stops, but the truth of the matter is that it's a messy maze of institutional interests, and unless you're willing and able to use your appointment-power to cut through that(as Bush was and Obama isn't[in large part due to R appointment stalling to be fair]), then those little bureaucratic "kingdoms" will pursue their own objectives regardless of what the Big Guy says.

So, while Obama, and maybe even the DNC leadership, may be friendly or at least neutral to the idea of legalization, they either don't care enough about the issue, or can't bring forward the necessary resources, to fight the prohibitionists on it seriously. Some might be willing to "roll over" on it, but there are enough people, well placed enough in the gov, who aren't to prevent federal legalization for a long while. That's why the state-by-state move is such a good idea(along with how it gives libertarian/NeoConfed Republicans a great big "States' Rights" boner). It cuts the bureaucracies with the biggest prohibitionist blocks -Justice, the DEA, the FBI, Customs, DHS- out of the decision-making process, and in a way that is unquestionably both democratic and legal(voter initiatives). At the same time, it begins to normalize marijuana access/use, turning the PR field against the prohibitionists, and setting us up for eventual decriminalization and outright legalization, hopefully sometime in the 2020s.



...I know, that's what I said. You just used more words than I did.

Consider also that the US gov forced cannabis laws on most of the world over the last half century.  Countries that used it medicinally or for fabrics and food/oil, had to give it up due to pressure from the US. Maybe these countries are pushing back? Especially now that we are in a time of apparent fuel oil scarcity. Which would you rather have upstream from you, a hemp oil biofuel farm, or an oil fracking field? Hemp might not even need pesticides, herbicides or fertilizer, since it is itself a weed. It would be good for the groundwater. Don't know how much power those little bureaucratic kingdoms in US gov can expect to hold, indefinitely, against the entire rest of the world. And maybe some of the little bureaucrats are pro hemp, themselves.

Also

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-31 03:42:28 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Dinki: Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.


Here here. Huge benefits are at stake on both sides of this issue. They're complicit.
 
2014-07-31 03:42:46 PM  

bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.


Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.
 
2014-07-31 03:44:55 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.


CBD
 
2014-07-31 03:45:32 PM  

Dinki: Shakin_Haitian: That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.

Au contraire... I have Crohns Disease. My Gastroentorolgist  had me on Pentasa ($800 /month) - it did nothing. Then he had me try Uceris ($1600/month)- did barely anything. He wanted me to try more disruptive drugs including immune suppressants. Instead, I started to read about the success pot had with other Crohns sufferers. Within 1 week of vaping pot once a day, most of my symptoms were gone. Now, 6 months later, my Crohns is in practically complete remission. I don't need some big pharma company charging me 3 or 4 hundred a month for something I can get for almost nothing (I grow my own specific strains).

Oh and tell these people that it barely works-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijua na /

http://www.sgvtribune.com/health/20140406/how-medical-marijuana-is-h el ping-californian-children-with-epilepsy


They're being cured with weed that's been bred to the point of it not being the weed everyone else wants. They've bred it to get rid of THC and increase other cannabinoids.

It'll become a pill soon enough.
 
2014-07-31 03:46:12 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


Have you ever gay married a turtle......on weed?
 
2014-07-31 03:46:48 PM  

AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD


Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.
 
2014-07-31 03:47:02 PM  

tillerman35: Translation: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home.  And they'll stop using booze, so that tax revenue will go out the window.  Plus that suit made out of monies that the alcohol industry lobbyists gave me really looks nice.


make a maximum allowance for personal growing, anything over that results in severe punishments and fines

it lets the cops be invasive asshole and you get to grow pot
 
2014-07-31 03:47:43 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.


This is either astonishingly ignorant, or a decent troll.  Either way, thanks for wasting our time!
 
2014-07-31 03:47:48 PM  

Kit Fister: DNRTFA, DNRTFT, but I'm going to guess ignorance and fear, same as they use for every other topic?

Want to keep gay marriage banned? use ignorance and fear to keep it illegal.
Want to impose draconian surveillance laws and sweeping new powers and armament levels to police? use ignorance and fear to get the public to accept it.
Want to impose more gun control? Use ignorance and fear to push it.

It's the same for any political narrative supporting anything: Present the facts, or reasonable facsimiles of the facts, or even outright lies as facts, make sure that it's presented in such a way as to seem your point of view is the most cogent/acceptable/right, and then use fear of NOT doing the thing as the stick to get people to fear NOT having it more than having it.

It's basic psychology, and it works like a charm in this country. You question the official line? You're bound to be ostracized, criticized, and otherwise marginalized as a cook or a crackpot or a conspiracy nut, and people don't want the level of public shaming that they get when they go against the status quo.  Oh sure, you have a few here and there that manage to say things in a way that isn't picked up but isn't pushed against either, but that's a very rare thing.

I'd like to say that Americans are fairly well capable of sorting fact from fiction and that voters are often well-informed on the issues, but I mean, come on, 50% of the US roughly still believes in young earth creationism and denies Global Warming.  Ask anyone on the street what's happening in Israel/Gaza or any of the details behind the conflict, and most people will either say "oh israel's just fighting back against Hamas because they got attacked" or "Israel's taking over Gaza" or some other crap that has absolutely no historical context or truth to it.

And don't get me farking started on the retardation that is Americans choosing to support and closing the market to things like Clean Diesel, Nuclear Power, etc.

America, Bought and Pa ...


To go along with your rant...

If a couple of guys go out to the bar and have a couple of beers and a shot, then drive home...  They can go in to work and talk about it the next day.  And it's not a problem.  Even though they almost certainly were driving impaired.

If those same couple of guys smoked 2 hits off a J, and watched TV for an hour - and nothing more...  If they went in to work and spoke about that, they would probably lose their jobs or be forced to go to rehab.

Talk about a whaked out perception.
 
2014-07-31 03:48:23 PM  
"Marijuana legalization would not eliminate the black market for marijuana.
Dramatically lowered prices could mean substantially lower potential tax revenue for states.


For starters, these two statements are at odds with each other - if marijuana legalization results in dramatically lowered prices, how would there be an incentive for black market trade? "


They are not at odds with each other. Earlier in the blog the author pointed out that pot would still be illegal for kids. Well, guess, what, there would then still be a black market for kids. There would be types of pot that would be illegal still too probably, and would be a black market for that too. Unless you're going to have mandatory free weed delivered to everyone, there will still be a black market for it.
 
2014-07-31 03:49:54 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.


Five joints in one sitting? That's a pretty crazy amount. Basically on par with a hard-core alcoholic who drinks a quart of liquor a day. Your friends are the exception, not the norm.

Then again, I kind of think your post is bullshiat.

Use the dolls and show us where the marijuana touched you.
 
2014-07-31 03:50:15 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.


Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.
 
2014-07-31 03:50:46 PM  
There's a black market for everything. Legalization would prevent black market players from becoming as large as multinational corporations. That's the real problem.
 
2014-07-31 03:51:52 PM  

WeenerGord: img.fark.net


Thanks (for the reminder).

lh5.googleusercontent.com
/image by mantasx
 
2014-07-31 03:51:55 PM  

AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.


Yeah, that's what Charlotte 's web is. Weed that isn't going to get you high, but has a relatively massive dosage of CBD in it.
 
2014-07-31 03:54:03 PM  
Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.
 
2014-07-31 03:56:07 PM  

bunner: Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.


They need look no further than Cali or Colorado.
 
2014-07-31 03:57:39 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


We a have deap and luving relationship thank you very much :p
 
2014-07-31 03:58:28 PM  

Stone Meadow: bunner: Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.

They need look no further than Cali or Colorado.


Both in their infancy.  When I say "effectively", I mean in a way that let's them gouge the sh*t out of growers, distributors  and users, coming and going.  Billions is a big number.
 
2014-07-31 03:58:33 PM  
I was led to believe this country is a farking greedy pig of a nation?  What happened?
 
2014-07-31 03:59:29 PM  
Consider also, that there ARE NO GOOD REASONS to keep it illegal.

So of course, the feds argument is weak and they got nuthin.
 
2014-07-31 03:59:29 PM  

LeroyBourne: I was led to believe this country is a farking greedy pig of a nation?  What happened?


Nothing.  They all bought suits or motorcycles.
 
2014-07-31 04:01:04 PM  

durbnpoisn: Another thing that pisses me off about this...  Here in NJ, they finally legalized medical maryJ.  But the gov't put every goddamn block possible in place to make it impossible for it to be implemented.

So it's legal for people who need it to get it.  It's just not possible.

Someone needs to bonk the entire legislature over the head for that one!


I think you are missing the correct target.  He's hard to miss, so I'm guessing you had to try on that one.
 
2014-07-31 04:02:43 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

Five joints in one sitting? That's a pretty crazy amount. Basically on par with a hard-core alcoholic who drinks a quart of liquor a day. Your friends are the exception, not the norm.

Then again, I kind of think your post is bullshiat.

Use the dolls and show us where the marijuana touched you.


I just took it to mean said friends couldn't get good weed. I've got the maybe a whole one at a sitting kind.
 
2014-07-31 04:04:05 PM  
It's like this.  Oil is traded in USD, so we get free oil because we own the printing press.  That's why we keep freeing the living sh*t out of all those swarthy folks on the prayer rugs.  So that oil is traded in USD.  Weed is a very weird market.  The fed needs to lock it down before they just start stocking it next to the Doritos.  Frankly, I think crack, black tar, china white, meth, wet, bath salts and pure heroin should be handed out free, with works, papers and lighters, on every street corner to anybody who asks.  Then we'd see who's really a fan of Darwin.  Then we'd see what all the "for the good of the public, not to create revenue streams" pose looks like with its pants around its ankles.
 
2014-07-31 04:04:42 PM  
*Sigh* At this point I'm just hoping PA passes the medical marijuana bill that's getting put to a vote soon. If/when that happens, fiance and I want to go through whatever necessary process to become certified growers. I keep hoping it'll be outright legalized in my lifetime but I'm not holding my breath. I just don't want to keep worrying about getting arrested for simply possessing it or growing it, like I was about two years ago, and all for nothing. Thry took my 15 plants (though they somehow overlooked the little one in the window) and arrested me in front of my niece, sister, & grandfather and I spent 16 hours in jail til my arraignment and bail was processed. End result? Probation without verdict (6 months) with absolutely no court or supervision costs so the state/county actually just lost money processing my case and I wound up without any conviction whatsoever and my plants being seized while the cops laughed about it and talked about how "pretty" and "stinky" they were.

/We'd move to CO if we could but fiance has 5 years of probation here in PA and neither of us wantsto leave our families, eespecially with our first baby coming in about 6 weeks...
//Why yes, the pic in my profile WAS one of my beauties from a harvest about 4-5 years ago; as soon as we are able, we're setting up shop and putting our grow skills to work. I can't think of a more fulfilling way for me to make a living...
///But I'm thinking we'll probably wind up having to move to make it happen; PA isn't exactly a "progressive" state. Guess we'll just have to wait til we can leave to live our dream :/
 
2014-07-31 04:05:02 PM  

AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.


There are more than just THC and CBD. Lots more. Which is why single type pills are bullshiat. Peoples chemistry is unique to them, one size fits all solutions end up serving no one except the pharma provider.

I've always been on the look for strains that will help me with my particular set of issues. Thought I was close at one point, but had to close up shop and move and alas, no more good genetics or clones. What will help me won't sell well either...
 
2014-07-31 04:06:14 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Dinki: Shakin_Haitian: That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.

Au contraire... I have Crohns Disease. My Gastroentorolgist  had me on Pentasa ($800 /month) - it did nothing. Then he had me try Uceris ($1600/month)- did barely anything. He wanted me to try more disruptive drugs including immune suppressants. Instead, I started to read about the success pot had with other Crohns sufferers. Within 1 week of vaping pot once a day, most of my symptoms were gone. Now, 6 months later, my Crohns is in practically complete remission. I don't need some big pharma company charging me 3 or 4 hundred a month for something I can get for almost nothing (I grow my own specific strains).

Oh and tell these people that it barely works-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijua na /

http://www.sgvtribune.com/health/20140406/how-medical-marijuana-is-h el ping-californian-children-with-epilepsy

They're being cured with weed that's been bred to the point of it not being the weed everyone else wants. They've bred it to get rid of THC and increase other cannabinoids.

It'll become a pill soon enough.


Big pharm is way behind the curve, at this point (yeah, one they can definitely blame Government `Regulation' on).  Subsidiaries in less restrictive Nations?  Probably trying.  It is important to note:  until the late `70's the U.S. was far ahead.  300+ specific `activities' were identified by Fed. Researchers.  Then, instead of farming out this info to the Universities and letting them run with it - the Feds took those activities that were found in the highest percentages (thc/cbd/cbn, etc) and did their best to kill as many monkeys and rats as possible with various combinations in order to `tweak-up' the propaganda.  Unfortunately, for the Feds - they just couldn't kill/maim/or dumb down their animals without pretty much choking the research subjects to death (yeah, they did inject the `marijuanas' as well).

If I had a relative with nausea owing to chemo - I'd definitely recommend avoiding such specific synthetics as Marinol and, instead, to try various strains of the plant.  Cannabis is highly variable and can be bred to express pretty specific ratios of activities - that allows for some exacting treatment.

No doubt, at some point, when all the specific molecules can be synthesized and combined in various ways & percentages - sure, someone will make big bucks - but it will be a niche market.
 
2014-07-31 04:06:23 PM  
I dont smoke but at this point it looks like it is useless to stop legalization. I  get tired of the same lame excuses from the DEA and police & family groups. Just wish they made a strain that would get my roomate off the couch and get a job.
 
2014-07-31 04:06:38 PM  
 
2014-07-31 04:07:41 PM  

Psylence: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.

There are more than just THC and CBD. Lots more. Which is why single type pills are bullshiat. Peoples chemistry is unique to them, one size fits all solutions end up serving no one except the pharma provider.

I've always been on the look for strains that will help me with my particular set of issues. Thought I was close at one point, but had to close up shop and move and alas, no more good genetics or clones. What will help me won't sell well either...


So a plant with varying concentrations of varying drugs varying by plant is better than a few pills with known concentrations which you can target specifically by mg/kg for the individual?
 
2014-07-31 04:07:47 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?


I was a young teenager in south Florida in the early 80's. So, I've tried it. Once or several hundred times. I don't have an addictive personality though. I can sleep with an 8 ball in the nightstand, and leave it there for months.
 
2014-07-31 04:08:04 PM  
If it was about medicine, they could isolate the cannabinoids that effect the medicinal properties.  We have chemistry, now.  It's just prohibition v.2.0 grinding to a halt under the weight of all that revenue they ain't getting.  The government doesn't give a sh*t if you shoot LSD into your eyeball and swan dive off a building as long as you don't land on their car.
 
2014-07-31 04:11:51 PM  

bunner: Stone Meadow: bunner: Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.

They need look no further than Cali or Colorado.

Both in their infancy.  When I say "effectively", I mean in a way that let's them gouge the sh*t out of growers, distributors  and users, coming and going.  Billions is a big number.


Yup...billions IS a big number. According to the State of California, the State has collected a billion dollars since applying sales tax to medical mj.in 2007, and is currently pulling in more an $100 million per year. That would presumably go up if it were legalized for recreational use. How much exactly is an unknown question, but based on CO's experience (since they too already had mmj) it would likely be substantial.
 
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