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(Washington Post)   Surprising almost no one, almost every fact the federal government relies upon to argue against legalizing marijuana is completely wrong. What the hell are they smoking?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 223
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2014-07-31 12:06:41 PM  
NO, No, no.
Not so fast.
ALL THEIR DERP ARE LIES!
Not, just wrong, but LIES!
Sure, there are some idiot sycophants and that 50% of sub-par humans, but the Best and Brightest and absolutelyfarkingall of your politicians know the truth.

Do Not let these criminals up off the mat.
 
2014-07-31 12:12:03 PM  
If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?
 
2014-07-31 12:22:36 PM  
It's the goddamned hippies fault

/goddamned hippies ruin everything
 
2014-07-31 12:24:16 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's the goddamned hippies fault

/goddamned hippies ruin everything


You sound like a yippie.
 
2014-07-31 12:26:37 PM  

snocone: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's the goddamned hippies fault

/goddamned hippies ruin everything

You sound like a yippie.


Whatever happened to them? Yippies were kind of like Windows Vista- it never really took off, did it?
 
2014-07-31 12:28:18 PM  

Dinki: snocone: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's the goddamned hippies fault

/goddamned hippies ruin everything

You sound like a yippie.

Whatever happened to them? Yippies were kind of like Windows Vista- it never really took off, did it?


They got jobs and melted into the pool.
 
2014-07-31 12:33:25 PM  
All's fair in War
Turn about is fair play.

My rumor du jour is "Marijuana Study shows immunity to Ebola increases with Oral or Vape dosage of 1g/day".
Gimme a couple of hours, I'll get a 97% Consensus of Experienced Researchers.
 
2014-07-31 12:34:47 PM  
www.drugaddictiontreatment.ca

THIS is what you will look like after just ONE marihuana.
 
2014-07-31 01:13:00 PM  

snocone: y rumor du jour is "Marijuana Study shows immunity to Ebola increases with Oral or Vape dosage of 1g/day".
Gimme a couple of hours, I'll get a 97% Consensus of Experienced Researchers.


To contribute to your statisticals, I've definitely never contracted Ebola after consuming marihuana.

Also, never been attacked by tigers - it's a pretty potent tiger repellent.
 
2014-07-31 01:20:04 PM  

NutWrench: THIS is what you will look like after just ONE marihuana.


I'm going to grow breasts and a head full of hair?  Sign me up. Admittedly the breasts are going to create some social awkwardness, but solving my baldness problem more than makes up for it.
 
2014-07-31 01:21:20 PM  
Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"
 
2014-07-31 01:28:56 PM  

nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"


Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,
 
2014-07-31 01:34:32 PM  

incendi: snocone: y rumor du jour is "Marijuana Study shows immunity to Ebola increases with Oral or Vape dosage of 1g/day".
Gimme a couple of hours, I'll get a 97% Consensus of Experienced Researchers.

To contribute to your statisticals, I've definitely never contracted Ebola after consuming marihuana.

Also, never been attacked by tigers - it's a pretty potent tiger repellent.


97% might be too conservative.
So far, it is networking itself multiplying benefits like mushrooms and how do we get that over 100% Award?
 
2014-07-31 01:54:40 PM  
Reports from the nonpartisan RAND Institute found that the potential economic benefits from legalization had been overstated


RAND 'PORT!
 
2014-07-31 02:05:06 PM  

Dinki: Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,


You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.
 
2014-07-31 02:07:24 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Dinki: Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.



Big Silver?

/sorry
 
2014-07-31 02:17:45 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.


I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.
 
2014-07-31 02:26:12 PM  
Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?
 
2014-07-31 02:30:09 PM  

Dinki: I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.


The last time California tried to legalize it there was a huge pushback from the growers in Humbolt, most of who are growing on private land.  They held community workshops and passed out flyers against it.  And that was their argument.  That Medicinal MJ had already hurt profits, and if you legalized it Philip Morris and big ag would move in and put all the current growers out of business.

I'm already starting to hear similar complaints out of Oregon where it will go on the ballot this fall.
 
2014-07-31 02:31:37 PM  
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2014-07-31 02:33:26 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Dinki: I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.

The last time California tried to legalize it there was a huge pushback from the growers in Humbolt, most of who are growing on private land.  They held community workshops and passed out flyers against it.  And that was their argument.  That Medicinal MJ had already hurt profits, and if you legalized it Philip Morris and big ag would move in and put all the current growers out of business.

I'm already starting to hear similar complaints out of Oregon where it will go on the ballot this fall.


Everyone wants to protect their own pile of money, and fark everyone else.

fark those greedy assholes.
 
2014-07-31 02:33:52 PM  
US Govt: Our argument is complete bullshait. Don't make us play the god card. Because, Jesus.
 
2014-07-31 02:34:34 PM  
The government need only argue that the "facts" are a matter of religious belief, and thus their truth value is of no relevance in evaluating their validity.
 
2014-07-31 02:35:23 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-31 02:35:29 PM  
Sounds like we need to ban alcohol again, and toss in tobacco product while we're at it.
 
2014-07-31 02:36:40 PM  
that reminds me, I have to get some more marijuana syringes.
 
2014-07-31 02:37:12 PM  
I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.
 
2014-07-31 02:37:30 PM  
Doritos!


Hahahahahahahaha
 
2014-07-31 02:38:07 PM  
If I take the reefer, doesn't that mean my wife will start sleeping with black men?
 
2014-07-31 02:38:34 PM  
Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.  They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.
 
2014-07-31 02:39:14 PM  

snocone: Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?


The lubrication and fuel potential of medicinal marijuana, grown for THC and cannabinol content, is virtually nil.
 
2014-07-31 02:39:20 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


Wait until you find out what you have to do for the turtle after your gay married. Fark marijuana, fark it right in the ass. My gay turtle husband made me... do.... *sobs*... THINGS, and it's all marijuana's fault!
 
2014-07-31 02:40:56 PM  

Dinki: nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,


The prison industry and "medicinal" grower industry arguments make sense, butI don't understand the big pharma argument.  That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.
 
2014-07-31 02:41:17 PM  

soseussme: Doritos!


Hahahahahahahaha


Some people think it's funnier if you use the word in a coherent statement, but I thought that might confuse the stoners who would be naturally attracted to this thread.
 
2014-07-31 02:41:57 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.  They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.


There's always "resisting arrest".
 
2014-07-31 02:42:06 PM  

Dinki: nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,



The Man is worried that he'll have to release all the non-violent pot prisoners, causing a drop in private, for profit prison growth/revenue,  and that the released prisoners will sue for wrongful imprisonment, and to try to get their seized houses/cars/boats/life savings back.

Nixon recriminalized cannabis and stepped up the drug war mostly to strike out at the Vietnam protestors. People are in jail today so he could get those hippies off his lawn.
 
2014-07-31 02:42:59 PM  

stonicus: If I take the reefer, doesn't that mean my wife will start sleeping with black men?


She already does.
 
2014-07-31 02:43:14 PM  
i2.wp.com
 
2014-07-31 02:43:25 PM  

durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.


I also read recently that hemp plants eat radiation.  We should legalize them too and stop being silly.
 
2014-07-31 02:43:31 PM  
4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.


Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.
 
2014-07-31 02:43:39 PM  

vudukungfu: US Govt: Our argument is complete bullshait. Don't make us play the god card. Because, Jesus.


Dont for get teh "Think of the children!" card.
 
2014-07-31 02:45:39 PM  
Another thing that pisses me off about this...  Here in NJ, they finally legalized medical maryJ.  But the gov't put every goddamn block possible in place to make it impossible for it to be implemented.

So it's legal for people who need it to get it.  It's just not possible.

Someone needs to bonk the entire legislature over the head for that one!
 
2014-07-31 02:45:57 PM  

jso2897: Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.  They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.

There's always "resisting arrest".


Arrested for resisting arrest is my favorite.  I especially like it when they kill somebody for it.
 
2014-07-31 02:46:00 PM  

Carn: durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.

I also read recently that hemp plants eat radiation.  We should legalize them too and stop being silly.


From the same people who use black salve to cure cancer?
 
2014-07-31 02:48:32 PM  
Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.
 
2014-07-31 02:48:38 PM  

Psylence: Everyone wants to protect their own pile of money, and fark everyone else.

fark those greedy assholes.


"Here's a chance for you to go legal, and prevents tens of thousands of people from going to jail over weed, both your fellow growers and your customers."
"fark that.  Profit margins are only 70% as it is."
 
2014-07-31 02:48:41 PM  

bikerbob59: that reminds me, I have to get some more marijuana syringes.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-07-31 02:49:19 PM  

durbnpoisn: Another thing that pisses me off about this...  Here in NJ, they finally legalized medical maryJ.  But the gov't put every goddamn block possible in place to make it impossible for it to be implemented.

So it's legal for people who need it to get it.  It's just not possible.

Someone needs to bonk the entire legislature over the head for that one!


Same approach is used with abortion - if you can't ban it, just make people jump through an infinite number of hoops to get it.
 
2014-07-31 02:49:26 PM  

stonicus: If I take the reefer, doesn't that mean my wife will start sleeping with black men?


Marjiuana raped me and killed my mother!
 
gja
2014-07-31 02:50:04 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


"Dude, I......am......NOT......gay. Go marry someone ELSE"
imageserver.moviepilot.com
 
2014-07-31 02:50:19 PM  

BullBearMS: bikerbob59: that reminds me, I have to get some more marijuana syringes.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 495x684]



Unleashed passions for what? Funyuns?
 
2014-07-31 02:51:30 PM  
NY Times is running a great series to go along with their ed calling for legalization. More articles on the right sidebar. About 40 years too late, but I'll take whatever progress we can get. Link
 
2014-07-31 02:51:36 PM  

jso2897: snocone: Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?

The lubrication and fuel potential of medicinal marijuana, grown for THC and cannabinol content, is virtually nil.



Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp; he actually ran the thing on peanut oil for the 1900 World's Fair. Henry Ford used hemp to not only construct cars but also fuel them.

As an alternative to methanol, hemp has at least one glowing report: the plant produces up to four times more cellulose per acre than trees. And a hemp crop grows a little quicker than a forest.

As for an alternative to petroleum...

Hemp grows like mad from border to border in America; so shortages are unlikely. And, unlike petrol, unless we run out of soil, hemp is renewable.

Growing and harvesting the stuff has much less environmental impact than procuring oil.

Hemp fuel is biodegradable; so oil spills become fertilizer not eco-catastrophes.

Hemp fuel does not contribute to sulfur dioxide air poisoning.

Other noxious emissions like carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons are radically slashed by using "biodiesel.

Hemp fuel is nontoxic and only a mild skin irritant; anybody who,s ever cleaned out an old carburetor with gasoline can confirm the same is not true for petrol.

Growing hemp for fuel would be a tremendous boon for American farmers and the agricultural industry, as opposed to people like, say, the Bush family.

And that,s why hemp might not go anywhere as a fuel alternative. Oil interests are big and donate likewise to politicians, and selling a man on an idea that will cost him more than he,ll benefit requires an amazingly skilled orator -- or a gun. Unfortunately, unless you,re the federal government, gunpoint conversions are usually illegal. Ergo, PR is about the best bet right now.
 
2014-07-31 02:54:35 PM  
What were they smoking? White Supremacist racism. The original campaign to delegalize marijuana had a lot to do with it being seen as a substance used by black folks and latinos, which was "corrupting" white folks. No surprise that it would continue to be founded on a pack of lies when it's always been bullshiat from the very start.
 
2014-07-31 02:54:39 PM  

H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.


Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?
 
2014-07-31 02:55:18 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: jso2897: Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.  They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.

There's always "resisting arrest".

Arrested for resisting arrest is my favorite.  I especially like it when they kill somebody for it.


You have to roll over when you encounter the police.  Otherwise, they will kill you.
 
2014-07-31 02:57:08 PM  
What the hell are they smoking?

Ignorance
 
2014-07-31 02:57:10 PM  
Watch and learn kids!  Don't be sucked in by the liberal lamestream media!!!!
letstalknevada.com
 
2014-07-31 02:57:20 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?



The best part of waking up is OH GOD THE SNAKES! THE SNAKES! GET THEM OFF ME!
 
gja
2014-07-31 02:57:25 PM  
AeAe:

You have to roll over when you encounter the police. <If you don't know how to do that they are happy to taze you so you learn how>

 Otherwise, they will kill you.
 
2014-07-31 02:57:32 PM  
Translation: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home.  And they'll stop using booze, so that tax revenue will go out the window.  Plus that suit made out of monies that the alcohol industry lobbyists gave me really looks nice.
 
2014-07-31 02:58:52 PM  
Maybe the reason that the gov's anti-argument is weak, is that they are already planning to roll over on this matter, and only putting up a token show of resistance for the fundies.
 
gja
2014-07-31 02:59:14 PM  

Snarfangel: Shakin_Haitian: H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?


The best part of waking up is OH GOD THE SNAKES! THE SNAKES! GET THEM OFF ME!


Waking up? If there is one thing about blow is there is no need to wake up since you simply don't sleep.
 
2014-07-31 03:00:43 PM  

WeenerGord: Dinki: nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,


The Man is worried that he'll have to release all the non-violent pot prisoners, causing a drop in private, for profit prison growth/revenue,  and that the released prisoners will sue for wrongful imprisonment, and to try to get their seized houses/cars/boats/life savings back.

Nixon recriminalized cannabis and stepped up the drug war mostly to strike out at the Vietnam protestors. People are in jail today so he could get those hippies off his lawn.


Nah, that was part of his "tough of crime" schtick, and that was all about race.
 
2014-07-31 03:01:23 PM  
Nobody wants to grow weed except for a few people, just like how nobody wants to brew beer or distill liquor except for a few people.  Weed is a fairly shiatty social drug because most people will clam up or become a little more self conscious.  Alcohol makes most people more talkative.

I prefer alcohol when I'm with friends.  I prefer weed when I'm by myself listening to music.  I prefer cocaine all of the time, but that shiat is expensive.
 
2014-07-31 03:01:57 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?

It's feared that children will begin using gay sex and drugs together in ritualistic practices. They may devise a way to fill drugs into their rectums and spark a whole new public danger similar to crack and AIDS mixed together. We don't know what could happen if children mix legal gayness with legal drugs.
It's probably best to keep both things illegal
 
2014-07-31 03:02:47 PM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com
/because the DEA's funding would bottom out if they could no longer target a weed
//that's not me; no sir-ee
///besides, it's just tobacco, proven lethal, legal
 
2014-07-31 03:02:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.


5 joints in sitting?
 
2014-07-31 03:04:06 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: From the same people who use black salve to cure cancer?


It's called phytoremediation.  Hemp is apparently good at it for a variety of pollutants and contaminants.

It was tested for soil cleanup in Ukraine (Chernobyl):  http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/botany/botany_map/articles/article_10. h tml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12655808

Hemp is the sister plant to marijuana that used to be used for making linen and rope by the way.  You sound confused.
 
2014-07-31 03:04:14 PM  

tillerman35: Translation: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home.  And they'll stop using booze, so that tax revenue will go out the window.  Plus that suit made out of monies that the alcohol industry lobbyists gave me really looks nice.


Well, at least that's a RATIONAL line of argument. Even though they're overlooking that where it's legal cities and states are rolling in the tax dough. Their existing arguments are the purest form of bullshiat. I mean "Stuart Anderson-level Bullshiat".
 
2014-07-31 03:05:51 PM  

jso2897: Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.  They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.

There's always "resisting arrest".


Public intox? Does that cover just alcohol? I know from personal experience they don't have to prove you're drunk.
 
2014-07-31 03:06:46 PM  

phillydrifter: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 320x240]
/because the DEA's funding would bottom out if they could no longer target a weed
//that's not me; no sir-ee
///besides, it's just tobacco, proven lethal, legal


Ding? Ding? I believe we have a winnah!
 
2014-07-31 03:07:08 PM  

stonicus: If I take the reefer, doesn't that mean my wife will start sleeping with black men?


Whaddaya mean _start_, homie?
 
2014-07-31 03:07:08 PM  

Heron: WeenerGord: Dinki: nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,


The Man is worried that he'll have to release all the non-violent pot prisoners, causing a drop in private, for profit prison growth/revenue,  and that the released prisoners will sue for wrongful imprisonment, and to try to get their seized houses/cars/boats/life savings back.

Nixon recriminalized cannabis and stepped up the drug war mostly to strike out at the Vietnam protestors. People are in jail today so he could get those hippies off his lawn.

Nah, that was part of his "tough of crime" schtick, and that was all about race.



You may be thinking of Ronnie Raygun.

Nixon was plagued by the hippie peace movement.
 
2014-07-31 03:08:35 PM  
I blame voters and the system.

We can pretend its the pharmas or the pigs or anything else, but it is ridiculously easy to get educated about pot, drugs, and prohibition.

The politicians have little to gain (though that is changing) but a lot to lose. Most anti drug folks stupidly think legalization is the end of the world. Most pro drug seem to rank it low as an issue. A runoff system would have solved this issue a decade ago.
 
2014-07-31 03:08:47 PM  

Carn: Shakin_Haitian: From the same people who use black salve to cure cancer?

It's called phytoremediation.  Hemp is apparently good at it for a variety of pollutants and contaminants.

It was tested for soil cleanup in Ukraine (Chernobyl):  http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/botany/botany_map/articles/article_10. h tml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12655808

Hemp is the sister plant to marijuana that used to be used for making linen and rope by the way.  You sound confused.


Well, yeah, plants absorb shiat from the soil.  You still have to get rid of the plant once it's absorbed shiat or the plant dies, decomposes, and the shiat goes back into the soil.
 
2014-07-31 03:09:06 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.



Do you know how I know that you don't know what you're talking about?
 
2014-07-31 03:09:48 PM  

Headso: Jim_Callahan: Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

5 joints in sitting?


They're smoking oregano.
 
2014-07-31 03:10:35 PM  
I forgot to say:

which is even worse because now you're drawing up contaminants from deeper in the soil and depositing them on top of the soil to flow back into lakes or inside animals that graze on those plants where it can reallyconcentrate.
 
2014-07-31 03:13:13 PM  

AxL sANe: Watch and learn kids!  Don't be sucked in by the liberal lamestream media!!!!
[letstalknevada.com image 300x424]


I prefer the remake that had Kristen Bell in it.

/No reason
// justkristeninadominaxtrixoutfit
 
2014-07-31 03:15:09 PM  
The ban on marijuana isn't a scientific argument, it's a moral one.
Like most moral arguments it is subject to bias, bigotry, and individual whims.

Someone who's out to clean up the streets so eagerly is likely to have a personal agenda in mind.
What those pushing for the ban on weed wanted was no less than legalized racism, and they got it.
 
2014-07-31 03:16:22 PM  
Privatized prisons = The feds never legalizing pot. Sad but true.
 
2014-07-31 03:16:52 PM  
The only fact that is germane: only an act of Congress can legalize weed. It is the only drug specifically spelled out in law as illegal. Schedule I was established for marijuana eradication. That the underlying premises were and are erroneous is besides the point.

You want marijuana legalized? Be a single issue voter and help elect congresscritters that will do it. Nothing else is possible.

And they knew it was BS when they passed it. The AMA testified against the ban in committee and were cut off because the committee said all they wanted was expert opinion in support of the ban.
 
2014-07-31 03:17:34 PM  

durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.


How do cigarettes contribute to violence?
 
2014-07-31 03:17:42 PM  

BullBearMS: bikerbob59: that reminds me, I have to get some more marijuana syringes.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 495x684]


You read the whole thing and it goes from Warning to Advertisement.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:04 PM  

Stone Meadow: phillydrifter: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 320x240]
/because the DEA's funding would bottom out if they could no longer target a weed
//that's not me; no sir-ee
///besides, it's just tobacco, proven lethal, legal

Ding? Ding? I believe we have a winnah!


I don't think so. They'll come up with some other target that will require additional funding. I think the already see that MJ is slipping away from their control so now it's "abuse of prescription drugs" - which may or may not be real.

I think incarcerating people for activities they choose for themselves is the wrong approach.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:51 PM  

WeenerGord: Maybe the reason that the gov's anti-argument is weak, is that they are already planning to roll over on this matter, and only putting up a token show of resistance for the fundies.


I don't think so. Obama came in with a "don't bother with marijuana arrests" advisement to Justice and they totally ignored it. We like to think of our government as being efficient, top down, and the President's desk as being where the buck stops, but the truth of the matter is that it's a messy maze of institutional interests, and unless you're willing and able to use your appointment-power to cut through that(as Bush was and Obama isn't[in large part due to R appointment stalling to be fair]), then those little bureaucratic "kingdoms" will pursue their own objectives regardless of what the Big Guy says.

So, while Obama, and maybe even the DNC leadership, may be friendly or at least neutral to the idea of legalization, they either don't care enough about the issue, or can't bring forward the necessary resources, to fight the prohibitionists on it seriously. Some might be willing to "roll over" on it, but there are enough people, well placed enough in the gov, who aren't to prevent federal legalization for a long while. That's why the state-by-state move is such a good idea(along with how it gives libertarian/NeoConfed Republicans a great big "States' Rights" boner). It cuts the bureaucracies with the biggest prohibitionist blocks -Justice, the DEA, the FBI, Customs, DHS- out of the decision-making process, and in a way that is unquestionably both democratic and legal(voter initiatives). At the same time, it begins to normalize marijuana access/use, turning the PR field against the prohibitionists, and setting us up for eventual decriminalization and outright legalization, hopefully sometime in the 2020s.
 
2014-07-31 03:19:13 PM  
I think this will be the big central test of Obama's last two years:  does he legalize it, or leave thousands of young black men to be persecuted?  If he keeps quiet, his whole legacy is tainted by the failure.
 
2014-07-31 03:19:30 PM  

regornam: Privatized prisons = The feds never legalizing pot. Sad but true.


Not true at all. Private prisons get paid regardless thanks to occupancy quotas. It's impossible until it isn't.
 
2014-07-31 03:19:55 PM  

Itstoearly: durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.

How do cigarettes contribute to violence?


alcohol = violence & disease; tobacco = disease. C'mon man, that wasn't hard to follow. It's just the wording.
 
2014-07-31 03:20:01 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Well, yeah, plants absorb shiat from the soil.  You still have to get rid of the plant once it's absorbed shiat or the plant dies, decomposes, and the shiat goes back into the soil.


I'm no horticulturist, but I believe part of the "phytoremediation" process is that some of the heavy metals and radiation are used up by the plant.  So maybe there were 1000ppm of whatever in the soil and the plant eats .5% of it.  Compost the plants, rinse repeat.  After many generations, soil is clean.  Even if you cannot remove the contaminants completely, removing them from the ground gets them out of the water supply as well.

http://sc.water.usgs.gov/projects/phytoremediation/
 
2014-07-31 03:20:54 PM  

AeAe: Stone Meadow: phillydrifter: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 320x240]
/because the DEA's funding would bottom out if they could no longer target a weed
//that's not me; no sir-ee
///besides, it's just tobacco, proven lethal, legal

Ding? Ding? I believe we have a winnah!

I don't think so. They'll come up with some other target that will require additional funding.


With all due respect... shut up, fool.

/where's my prize?
//and what's the price?
///you can't blame me
/blame Nancy's vice
 
2014-07-31 03:22:02 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: I forgot to say:

which is even worse because now you're drawing up contaminants from deeper in the soil and depositing them on top of the soil to flow back into lakes or inside animals that graze on those plants where it can reallyconcentrate.


I think you are missing the "step 2" here. Which involves harvesting and processing. Not growing and then allowing to compost and rot in the fields. Didn't think it needed to be spelled out like that but here we are...
 
2014-07-31 03:22:41 PM  

Itstoearly: durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.

How do cigarettes contribute to violence?


You ever quit a tobacco product?  Ho lee sheeee iiitt, it's horrible.  I could see more impulsive people punch someone while nicking if that person was being annoying.

Funnily enough, nicotine by itself is easy to stop using.  I can stop using my e-cig for days and weeks without feeling like I need it.  Tobacco, no.  I needed that more than I needed food.
 
2014-07-31 03:23:21 PM  
LaGuardia Committee, 1946:  `beat cops have more important things to do'
Nixon's Shafer Commission, 1972:  Federal decriminalization is the way to go

Same tired horses were dragged out on the track of fools, then.

Only gateway one can identify with relative certainty is mother's milk

It's so much stronger!  Yeah, titrate the farking dose and one doesn't have to buy more as often

Schizophrenia! (yeah, about self medicating for any mental illness owing primarily to lack of services, huh?)

"Factor" in auto accidents (just try to run down stats on number of accidents that can be attributed to marijuana, alone - not also, tired, drunk, texting, etc.).  The Warning Label on the Federally Approved, Schedule III, synthetic Delta 9 THC pill (Dronabinol/Marinol)?  "Do not operate motor vehicles or heavy machinery until the patient knows what the effect of this medication has on them" (kinda like Benadryl).  It is also interesting to note that the FDA has identified 4 deaths that can be directly attributed to this big pharma substitute (1986-2009).

if you have the time, google-up Irvin Rosenfeld.  He has been receiving 9 Oz. of 3.5% Delta 9 from Uncle Sugar's pot farm at the U. of Mississippi, every month (300 machine rolled cigarettes) since 1982.  He's still employed as a stockbroker & working on changing the law in Florida (has appeared before several State legislative committees over the years).
Rosenfeld and his few Federal Compassionate Use Cohort petitioned the FDA to perform diagnostic testing on them to determine what the long term effect of their use was - the FDA refused (why would that be, huh?).  They had their own testing done:  Mild bronchitis & improved quality of life - that is all.
 
2014-07-31 03:23:29 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: regornam: Privatized prisons = The feds never legalizing pot. Sad but true.

Not true at all. Private prisons get paid regardless thanks to occupancy quotas. It's impossible until it isn't.


Well...not entirely true:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/private-prisons-occupancy-qu ot a-cca-crime
 
2014-07-31 03:24:08 PM  

phillydrifter: AeAe: Stone Meadow: phillydrifter: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 320x240]
/because the DEA's funding would bottom out if they could no longer target a weed
//that's not me; no sir-ee
///besides, it's just tobacco, proven lethal, legal

Ding? Ding? I believe we have a winnah!

I don't think so. They'll come up with some other target that will require additional funding.

With all due respect... shut up, fool.

/where's my prize?
//and what's the price?
///you can't blame me
/blame Nancy's vice


Well.. we can disagree on that, but I bet you, even if MJ is decriminalized or reclassified, DEA funding will not be reduced and will probably increase.
 
2014-07-31 03:28:20 PM  

Psylence: Shakin_Haitian: I forgot to say:

which is even worse because now you're drawing up contaminants from deeper in the soil and depositing them on top of the soil to flow back into lakes or inside animals that graze on those plants where it can reallyconcentrate.

I think you are missing the "step 2" here. Which involves harvesting and processing. Not growing and then allowing to compost and rot in the fields. Didn't think it needed to be spelled out like that but here we are...


It's still a bad idea because then you're sitting around allowing contaminants to penetrate to the groundwater and into the local fauna where it spreads.  Harvesting the plants would be just as dangerous as digging up the soil and water, but digging can be done quickly, which is crucial to keep shiat from spreading.
 
2014-07-31 03:28:21 PM  
i.cdn.turner.com

thank you ronald reagan
 
2014-07-31 03:28:23 PM  

AeAe: Well.. we can disagree on that


Lets disagree. Tell me what else the Federal government could outlaw ("something else") that would require billions a year in funding to combat.

/just tap out, bro
 
2014-07-31 03:29:24 PM  
Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!
 
2014-07-31 03:29:31 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?


I put it in my coffee every morning.
 
2014-07-31 03:30:35 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.


Au contraire... I have Crohns Disease. My Gastroentorolgist  had me on Pentasa ($800 /month) - it did nothing. Then he had me try Uceris ($1600/month)- did barely anything. He wanted me to try more disruptive drugs including immune suppressants. Instead, I started to read about the success pot had with other Crohns sufferers. Within 1 week of vaping pot once a day, most of my symptoms were gone. Now, 6 months later, my Crohns is in practically complete remission. I don't need some big pharma company charging me 3 or 4 hundred a month for something I can get for almost nothing (I grow my own specific strains).

Oh and tell these people that it barely works-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijua na /

http://www.sgvtribune.com/health/20140406/how-medical-marijuana-is-h el ping-californian-children-with-epilepsy
 
2014-07-31 03:33:35 PM  
Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!
 
2014-07-31 03:33:41 PM  

WeenerGord: jso2897: snocone: Think of "Victory Garden".
This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.
Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.
I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?
Have you heard?

The lubrication and fuel potential of medicinal marijuana, grown for THC and cannabinol content, is virtually nil.


Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp; he actually ran the thing on peanut oil for the 1900 World's Fair. Henry Ford used hemp to not only construct cars but also fuel them.

As an alternative to methanol, hemp has at least one glowing report: the plant produces up to four times more cellulose per acre than trees. And a hemp crop grows a little quicker than a forest.

As for an alternative to petroleum...

Hemp grows like mad from border to border in America; so shortages are unlikely. And, unlike petrol, unless we run out of soil, hemp is renewable.

Growing and harvesting the stuff has much less environmental impact than procuring oil.

Hemp fuel is biodegradable; so oil spills become fertilizer not eco-catastrophes.

Hemp fuel does not contribute to sulfur dioxide air poisoning.

Other noxious emissions like carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons are radically slashed by using "biodiesel.

Hemp fuel is nontoxic and only a mild skin irritant; anybody who,s ever cleaned out an old carburetor with gasoline can confirm the same is not true for petrol.

Growing hemp for fuel would be a tremendous boon for American farmers and the agricultural industry, as opposed t ...


I would like to add to the facts of this post that, there is no carbon footprint from using hemp.  Whatever carbon is used and expelled to the atmosphere is exactly the same amount as used to grow it in the first place.  Unlike patroleum, where it's being dug up after having been buried for millions of years.
 
2014-07-31 03:34:30 PM  
My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::
 
2014-07-31 03:36:18 PM  

Linux_Yes: Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!


Linux_Yes: Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!


Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::


Please, keep posting- you are bringing so much insight into the discussion.


// yeah yeah, welcome to FARK and all that....
 
2014-07-31 03:36:34 PM  

phillydrifter: AeAe: Well.. we can disagree on that

Lets disagree. Tell me what else the Federal government could outlaw ("something else") that would require billions a year in funding to combat.

/just tap out, bro


I already mentioned it - prescription drug abuse. They don't have to outlaw it, but they would have to enforce and prosecute. Michelle Leonhart said in a congressional hearing that that is most important issue with regard to drug abuse.
 
2014-07-31 03:36:54 PM  
Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.
 
2014-07-31 03:37:59 PM  

AeAe: phillydrifter: AeAe: Well.. we can disagree on that

Lets disagree. Tell me what else the Federal government could outlaw ("something else") that would require billions a year in funding to combat.

/just tap out, bro

I already mentioned it - prescription drug abuse.


Ok. After carefully considering your argument, I've decided you lose. Thanks for trying.
 
2014-07-31 03:38:26 PM  

Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::


Yeah? I've been eating salty snacks all my life and that's probably less healthy than smoking weed.
 
2014-07-31 03:40:25 PM  
DNRTFA, DNRTFT, but I'm going to guess ignorance and fear, same as they use for every other topic?

Want to keep gay marriage banned? use ignorance and fear to keep it illegal.
Want to impose draconian surveillance laws and sweeping new powers and armament levels to police? use ignorance and fear to get the public to accept it.
Want to impose more gun control? Use ignorance and fear to push it.

It's the same for any political narrative supporting anything: Present the facts, or reasonable facsimiles of the facts, or even outright lies as facts, make sure that it's presented in such a way as to seem your point of view is the most cogent/acceptable/right, and then use fear of NOT doing the thing as the stick to get people to fear NOT having it more than having it.

It's basic psychology, and it works like a charm in this country. You question the official line? You're bound to be ostracized, criticized, and otherwise marginalized as a cook or a crackpot or a conspiracy nut, and people don't want the level of public shaming that they get when they go against the status quo.  Oh sure, you have a few here and there that manage to say things in a way that isn't picked up but isn't pushed against either, but that's a very rare thing.

I'd like to say that Americans are fairly well capable of sorting fact from fiction and that voters are often well-informed on the issues, but I mean, come on, 50% of the US roughly still believes in young earth creationism and denies Global Warming.  Ask anyone on the street what's happening in Israel/Gaza or any of the details behind the conflict, and most people will either say "oh israel's just fighting back against Hamas because they got attacked" or "Israel's taking over Gaza" or some other crap that has absolutely no historical context or truth to it.

And don't get me farking started on the retardation that is Americans choosing to support and closing the market to things like Clean Diesel, Nuclear Power, etc.

America, Bought and Paid For, our quality of life and ability to remain a free country flushed thanks to big bucks and political interests.

/end rant
 
2014-07-31 03:40:55 PM  
At this point, they're defending a tradition rather than trying to protect society from a danger...

On the other hand, congressmen voted to defend a cotton magnate's interests in the 30s - what's changed?
 
2014-07-31 03:41:19 PM  
i.imgur.com

B-B-B-BUT how will America's for-profit prison system make their billions in profit?

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CEO'S!
 
2014-07-31 03:41:34 PM  

Dinki: Linux_Yes: Weed is , like, Cool, Man.   that's what my pot head friends told me, anyway.   the TV said so too!

Linux_Yes: Weed has no permanent detrimental effect on human Memory.


so smoke up, kids!!!

Linux_Yes: My friend's been smoking weed for 15 years and he ain't hooked.


((((((((:::::::::

Please, keep posting- you are bringing so much insight into the discussion.


// yeah yeah, welcome to FARK and all that....


I don't know Linux_Yes, but isn't there a non-zero chance he's being sarcastic?
 
2014-07-31 03:42:04 PM  

Heron: WeenerGord: Maybe the reason that the gov's anti-argument is weak, is that they are already planning to roll over on this matter, and only putting up a token show of resistance for the fundies.

I don't think so. Obama came in with a "don't bother with marijuana arrests" advisement to Justice and they totally ignored it. We like to think of our government as being efficient, top down, and the President's desk as being where the buck stops, but the truth of the matter is that it's a messy maze of institutional interests, and unless you're willing and able to use your appointment-power to cut through that(as Bush was and Obama isn't[in large part due to R appointment stalling to be fair]), then those little bureaucratic "kingdoms" will pursue their own objectives regardless of what the Big Guy says.

So, while Obama, and maybe even the DNC leadership, may be friendly or at least neutral to the idea of legalization, they either don't care enough about the issue, or can't bring forward the necessary resources, to fight the prohibitionists on it seriously. Some might be willing to "roll over" on it, but there are enough people, well placed enough in the gov, who aren't to prevent federal legalization for a long while. That's why the state-by-state move is such a good idea(along with how it gives libertarian/NeoConfed Republicans a great big "States' Rights" boner). It cuts the bureaucracies with the biggest prohibitionist blocks -Justice, the DEA, the FBI, Customs, DHS- out of the decision-making process, and in a way that is unquestionably both democratic and legal(voter initiatives). At the same time, it begins to normalize marijuana access/use, turning the PR field against the prohibitionists, and setting us up for eventual decriminalization and outright legalization, hopefully sometime in the 2020s.



...I know, that's what I said. You just used more words than I did.

Consider also that the US gov forced cannabis laws on most of the world over the last half century.  Countries that used it medicinally or for fabrics and food/oil, had to give it up due to pressure from the US. Maybe these countries are pushing back? Especially now that we are in a time of apparent fuel oil scarcity. Which would you rather have upstream from you, a hemp oil biofuel farm, or an oil fracking field? Hemp might not even need pesticides, herbicides or fertilizer, since it is itself a weed. It would be good for the groundwater. Don't know how much power those little bureaucratic kingdoms in US gov can expect to hold, indefinitely, against the entire rest of the world. And maybe some of the little bureaucrats are pro hemp, themselves.

Also

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-31 03:42:28 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Dinki: Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.


Here here. Huge benefits are at stake on both sides of this issue. They're complicit.
 
2014-07-31 03:42:46 PM  

bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.


Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.
 
2014-07-31 03:44:55 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.


CBD
 
2014-07-31 03:45:32 PM  

Dinki: Shakin_Haitian: That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.

Au contraire... I have Crohns Disease. My Gastroentorolgist  had me on Pentasa ($800 /month) - it did nothing. Then he had me try Uceris ($1600/month)- did barely anything. He wanted me to try more disruptive drugs including immune suppressants. Instead, I started to read about the success pot had with other Crohns sufferers. Within 1 week of vaping pot once a day, most of my symptoms were gone. Now, 6 months later, my Crohns is in practically complete remission. I don't need some big pharma company charging me 3 or 4 hundred a month for something I can get for almost nothing (I grow my own specific strains).

Oh and tell these people that it barely works-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijua na /

http://www.sgvtribune.com/health/20140406/how-medical-marijuana-is-h el ping-californian-children-with-epilepsy


They're being cured with weed that's been bred to the point of it not being the weed everyone else wants. They've bred it to get rid of THC and increase other cannabinoids.

It'll become a pill soon enough.
 
2014-07-31 03:46:12 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


Have you ever gay married a turtle......on weed?
 
2014-07-31 03:46:48 PM  

AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD


Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.
 
2014-07-31 03:47:02 PM  

tillerman35: Translation: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home.  And they'll stop using booze, so that tax revenue will go out the window.  Plus that suit made out of monies that the alcohol industry lobbyists gave me really looks nice.


make a maximum allowance for personal growing, anything over that results in severe punishments and fines

it lets the cops be invasive asshole and you get to grow pot
 
2014-07-31 03:47:43 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.


This is either astonishingly ignorant, or a decent troll.  Either way, thanks for wasting our time!
 
2014-07-31 03:47:48 PM  

Kit Fister: DNRTFA, DNRTFT, but I'm going to guess ignorance and fear, same as they use for every other topic?

Want to keep gay marriage banned? use ignorance and fear to keep it illegal.
Want to impose draconian surveillance laws and sweeping new powers and armament levels to police? use ignorance and fear to get the public to accept it.
Want to impose more gun control? Use ignorance and fear to push it.

It's the same for any political narrative supporting anything: Present the facts, or reasonable facsimiles of the facts, or even outright lies as facts, make sure that it's presented in such a way as to seem your point of view is the most cogent/acceptable/right, and then use fear of NOT doing the thing as the stick to get people to fear NOT having it more than having it.

It's basic psychology, and it works like a charm in this country. You question the official line? You're bound to be ostracized, criticized, and otherwise marginalized as a cook or a crackpot or a conspiracy nut, and people don't want the level of public shaming that they get when they go against the status quo.  Oh sure, you have a few here and there that manage to say things in a way that isn't picked up but isn't pushed against either, but that's a very rare thing.

I'd like to say that Americans are fairly well capable of sorting fact from fiction and that voters are often well-informed on the issues, but I mean, come on, 50% of the US roughly still believes in young earth creationism and denies Global Warming.  Ask anyone on the street what's happening in Israel/Gaza or any of the details behind the conflict, and most people will either say "oh israel's just fighting back against Hamas because they got attacked" or "Israel's taking over Gaza" or some other crap that has absolutely no historical context or truth to it.

And don't get me farking started on the retardation that is Americans choosing to support and closing the market to things like Clean Diesel, Nuclear Power, etc.

America, Bought and Pa ...


To go along with your rant...

If a couple of guys go out to the bar and have a couple of beers and a shot, then drive home...  They can go in to work and talk about it the next day.  And it's not a problem.  Even though they almost certainly were driving impaired.

If those same couple of guys smoked 2 hits off a J, and watched TV for an hour - and nothing more...  If they went in to work and spoke about that, they would probably lose their jobs or be forced to go to rehab.

Talk about a whaked out perception.
 
2014-07-31 03:48:23 PM  
"Marijuana legalization would not eliminate the black market for marijuana.
Dramatically lowered prices could mean substantially lower potential tax revenue for states.


For starters, these two statements are at odds with each other - if marijuana legalization results in dramatically lowered prices, how would there be an incentive for black market trade? "


They are not at odds with each other. Earlier in the blog the author pointed out that pot would still be illegal for kids. Well, guess, what, there would then still be a black market for kids. There would be types of pot that would be illegal still too probably, and would be a black market for that too. Unless you're going to have mandatory free weed delivered to everyone, there will still be a black market for it.
 
2014-07-31 03:49:54 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.


Five joints in one sitting? That's a pretty crazy amount. Basically on par with a hard-core alcoholic who drinks a quart of liquor a day. Your friends are the exception, not the norm.

Then again, I kind of think your post is bullshiat.

Use the dolls and show us where the marijuana touched you.
 
2014-07-31 03:50:15 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.


Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.
 
2014-07-31 03:50:46 PM  
There's a black market for everything. Legalization would prevent black market players from becoming as large as multinational corporations. That's the real problem.
 
2014-07-31 03:51:52 PM  

WeenerGord: img.fark.net


Thanks (for the reminder).

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2014-07-31 03:51:55 PM  

AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.


Yeah, that's what Charlotte 's web is. Weed that isn't going to get you high, but has a relatively massive dosage of CBD in it.
 
2014-07-31 03:54:03 PM  
Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.
 
2014-07-31 03:56:07 PM  

bunner: Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.


They need look no further than Cali or Colorado.
 
2014-07-31 03:57:39 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


We a have deap and luving relationship thank you very much :p
 
2014-07-31 03:58:28 PM  

Stone Meadow: bunner: Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.

They need look no further than Cali or Colorado.


Both in their infancy.  When I say "effectively", I mean in a way that let's them gouge the sh*t out of growers, distributors  and users, coming and going.  Billions is a big number.
 
2014-07-31 03:58:33 PM  
I was led to believe this country is a farking greedy pig of a nation?  What happened?
 
2014-07-31 03:59:29 PM  
Consider also, that there ARE NO GOOD REASONS to keep it illegal.

So of course, the feds argument is weak and they got nuthin.
 
2014-07-31 03:59:29 PM  

LeroyBourne: I was led to believe this country is a farking greedy pig of a nation?  What happened?


Nothing.  They all bought suits or motorcycles.
 
2014-07-31 04:01:04 PM  

durbnpoisn: Another thing that pisses me off about this...  Here in NJ, they finally legalized medical maryJ.  But the gov't put every goddamn block possible in place to make it impossible for it to be implemented.

So it's legal for people who need it to get it.  It's just not possible.

Someone needs to bonk the entire legislature over the head for that one!


I think you are missing the correct target.  He's hard to miss, so I'm guessing you had to try on that one.
 
2014-07-31 04:02:43 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

Five joints in one sitting? That's a pretty crazy amount. Basically on par with a hard-core alcoholic who drinks a quart of liquor a day. Your friends are the exception, not the norm.

Then again, I kind of think your post is bullshiat.

Use the dolls and show us where the marijuana touched you.


I just took it to mean said friends couldn't get good weed. I've got the maybe a whole one at a sitting kind.
 
2014-07-31 04:04:05 PM  
It's like this.  Oil is traded in USD, so we get free oil because we own the printing press.  That's why we keep freeing the living sh*t out of all those swarthy folks on the prayer rugs.  So that oil is traded in USD.  Weed is a very weird market.  The fed needs to lock it down before they just start stocking it next to the Doritos.  Frankly, I think crack, black tar, china white, meth, wet, bath salts and pure heroin should be handed out free, with works, papers and lighters, on every street corner to anybody who asks.  Then we'd see who's really a fan of Darwin.  Then we'd see what all the "for the good of the public, not to create revenue streams" pose looks like with its pants around its ankles.
 
2014-07-31 04:04:42 PM  
*Sigh* At this point I'm just hoping PA passes the medical marijuana bill that's getting put to a vote soon. If/when that happens, fiance and I want to go through whatever necessary process to become certified growers. I keep hoping it'll be outright legalized in my lifetime but I'm not holding my breath. I just don't want to keep worrying about getting arrested for simply possessing it or growing it, like I was about two years ago, and all for nothing. Thry took my 15 plants (though they somehow overlooked the little one in the window) and arrested me in front of my niece, sister, & grandfather and I spent 16 hours in jail til my arraignment and bail was processed. End result? Probation without verdict (6 months) with absolutely no court or supervision costs so the state/county actually just lost money processing my case and I wound up without any conviction whatsoever and my plants being seized while the cops laughed about it and talked about how "pretty" and "stinky" they were.

/We'd move to CO if we could but fiance has 5 years of probation here in PA and neither of us wantsto leave our families, eespecially with our first baby coming in about 6 weeks...
//Why yes, the pic in my profile WAS one of my beauties from a harvest about 4-5 years ago; as soon as we are able, we're setting up shop and putting our grow skills to work. I can't think of a more fulfilling way for me to make a living...
///But I'm thinking we'll probably wind up having to move to make it happen; PA isn't exactly a "progressive" state. Guess we'll just have to wait til we can leave to live our dream :/
 
2014-07-31 04:05:02 PM  

AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.


There are more than just THC and CBD. Lots more. Which is why single type pills are bullshiat. Peoples chemistry is unique to them, one size fits all solutions end up serving no one except the pharma provider.

I've always been on the look for strains that will help me with my particular set of issues. Thought I was close at one point, but had to close up shop and move and alas, no more good genetics or clones. What will help me won't sell well either...
 
2014-07-31 04:06:14 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Dinki: Shakin_Haitian: That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.

Au contraire... I have Crohns Disease. My Gastroentorolgist  had me on Pentasa ($800 /month) - it did nothing. Then he had me try Uceris ($1600/month)- did barely anything. He wanted me to try more disruptive drugs including immune suppressants. Instead, I started to read about the success pot had with other Crohns sufferers. Within 1 week of vaping pot once a day, most of my symptoms were gone. Now, 6 months later, my Crohns is in practically complete remission. I don't need some big pharma company charging me 3 or 4 hundred a month for something I can get for almost nothing (I grow my own specific strains).

Oh and tell these people that it barely works-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijua na /

http://www.sgvtribune.com/health/20140406/how-medical-marijuana-is-h el ping-californian-children-with-epilepsy

They're being cured with weed that's been bred to the point of it not being the weed everyone else wants. They've bred it to get rid of THC and increase other cannabinoids.

It'll become a pill soon enough.


Big pharm is way behind the curve, at this point (yeah, one they can definitely blame Government `Regulation' on).  Subsidiaries in less restrictive Nations?  Probably trying.  It is important to note:  until the late `70's the U.S. was far ahead.  300+ specific `activities' were identified by Fed. Researchers.  Then, instead of farming out this info to the Universities and letting them run with it - the Feds took those activities that were found in the highest percentages (thc/cbd/cbn, etc) and did their best to kill as many monkeys and rats as possible with various combinations in order to `tweak-up' the propaganda.  Unfortunately, for the Feds - they just couldn't kill/maim/or dumb down their animals without pretty much choking the research subjects to death (yeah, they did inject the `marijuanas' as well).

If I had a relative with nausea owing to chemo - I'd definitely recommend avoiding such specific synthetics as Marinol and, instead, to try various strains of the plant.  Cannabis is highly variable and can be bred to express pretty specific ratios of activities - that allows for some exacting treatment.

No doubt, at some point, when all the specific molecules can be synthesized and combined in various ways & percentages - sure, someone will make big bucks - but it will be a niche market.
 
2014-07-31 04:06:23 PM  
I dont smoke but at this point it looks like it is useless to stop legalization. I  get tired of the same lame excuses from the DEA and police & family groups. Just wish they made a strain that would get my roomate off the couch and get a job.
 
2014-07-31 04:06:38 PM  
 
2014-07-31 04:07:41 PM  

Psylence: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.

There are more than just THC and CBD. Lots more. Which is why single type pills are bullshiat. Peoples chemistry is unique to them, one size fits all solutions end up serving no one except the pharma provider.

I've always been on the look for strains that will help me with my particular set of issues. Thought I was close at one point, but had to close up shop and move and alas, no more good genetics or clones. What will help me won't sell well either...


So a plant with varying concentrations of varying drugs varying by plant is better than a few pills with known concentrations which you can target specifically by mg/kg for the individual?
 
2014-07-31 04:07:47 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: H31N0US: Coffee and cigarettes are far more addictive than MJ or Cocaine.

But we ban the latter two because reasons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.  Caffeine is more addictive than cocaine?  No.  Have you done cocaine?


I was a young teenager in south Florida in the early 80's. So, I've tried it. Once or several hundred times. I don't have an addictive personality though. I can sleep with an 8 ball in the nightstand, and leave it there for months.
 
2014-07-31 04:08:04 PM  
If it was about medicine, they could isolate the cannabinoids that effect the medicinal properties.  We have chemistry, now.  It's just prohibition v.2.0 grinding to a halt under the weight of all that revenue they ain't getting.  The government doesn't give a sh*t if you shoot LSD into your eyeball and swan dive off a building as long as you don't land on their car.
 
2014-07-31 04:11:51 PM  

bunner: Stone Meadow: bunner: Ah, the new wives tales.  This is just the courtship process while they cobble together a way to effectively tax it.  Sit back and enjoy the harrumph from both camps.

They need look no further than Cali or Colorado.

Both in their infancy.  When I say "effectively", I mean in a way that let's them gouge the sh*t out of growers, distributors  and users, coming and going.  Billions is a big number.


Yup...billions IS a big number. According to the State of California, the State has collected a billion dollars since applying sales tax to medical mj.in 2007, and is currently pulling in more an $100 million per year. That would presumably go up if it were legalized for recreational use. How much exactly is an unknown question, but based on CO's experience (since they too already had mmj) it would likely be substantial.
 
2014-07-31 04:12:12 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: They're being cured with weed that's been bred to the point of it not being the weed everyone else wants. They've bred it to get rid of THC and increase other cannabinoids.

It'll become a pill soon enough.


Simple fact- they are being cured without and despite big pharma. Sure there might be a pill some day, but what this is showing us is that you don't always need a big pharma solution, and in fact, big pharma sometimes has no solution. (although that doesn't stop them from selling you something they claim is a solution).
 
2014-07-31 04:13:21 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

Five joints in one sitting? That's a pretty crazy amount. Basically on par with a hard-core alcoholic who drinks a quart of liquor a day. Your friends are the exception, not the norm.

Then again, I kind of think your post is bullshiat.

Use the dolls and show us where the marijuana touched you.


I didnt think jim was that prone to trolling.
 
2014-07-31 04:13:37 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Psylence: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: AeAe: Shakin_Haitian: bikerbob59: Shakin_Haitian:

That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work.  Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high.  The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Wrong.  Marinol does not work.

Because THC only gets you high. There are other cannabinoids in there that work as medicine.

CBD

Is it just CBD, though? I'm not aware of any studies that have used just isolated CBD.

Probably not, but CBD is the other component most used medically. I've read some strains have been developed for increased CBD specifically to be medically efficacious. I was just adding to your comment.

There are more than just THC and CBD. Lots more. Which is why single type pills are bullshiat. Peoples chemistry is unique to them, one size fits all solutions end up serving no one except the pharma provider.

I've always been on the look for strains that will help me with my particular set of issues. Thought I was close at one point, but had to close up shop and move and alas, no more good genetics or clones. What will help me won't sell well either...

So a plant with varying concentrations of varying drugs varying by plant is better than a few pills with known concentrations which you can target specifically by mg/kg for the individual?


Until you can isolate the several hundred types of active ingredients and tailor a pill just for me? I'll take the plant thanks.

Probably still would, even if there was such a magical pill. I consuming the fruits of my own labors, it is quite rewarding.
 
2014-07-31 04:14:30 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If marijuana is legalized we all have to gay marry a turtle, right?


Screw that. Those f*cking turtles will snap yo dick RIGHT OFF!
 
2014-07-31 04:16:28 PM  

Dinki: Shakin_Haitian: Because THC only gets you high.

The Israelis might disagree-

Patients were assigned randomly to groups given cannabis, twice daily, in the form of cigarettes containing 115 mg of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or placebo containing cannabis flowers from which the THC had been extracted. Disease activity and laboratory tests were assessed during 8 weeks of treatment and 2 weeks thereafter.
RESULTS:
Complete remission (CDAI score, <150) was achieved by 5 of 11 subjects in the cannabis group (45%) and 1 of 10 in the placebo group (10%; P = .43). A clinical response (decrease in CDAI score of >100) was observed in 10 of 11 subjects in the cannabis group (90%; from 330 ± 105 to 152 ± 109) and 4 of 10 in the placebo group (40%; from 373 ± 94 to 306 ± 143; P = .028). Three patients in the cannabis group were weaned from steroid dependency. Subjects receiving cannabis reported improved appetite and sleep, with no significant side effects.


What was the concentration of other cannabinoids?  That study isn't good enough because there are too many confounding variables i.e. the concentrations of other cannabinoids in the cannabis they were using.  I don't know enough about the chemistry, but I imagine that the similarities between cannabinoids is close enough that you can't extract just THC from the plant.
 
2014-07-31 04:19:11 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Itstoearly: durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease.  Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.
Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish.  It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite).  The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.

How do cigarettes contribute to violence?

You ever quit a tobacco product?  Ho lee sheeee iiitt, it's horrible.  I could see more impulsive people punch someone while nicking if that person was being annoying.

Funnily enough, nicotine by itself is easy to stop using.  I can stop using my e-cig for days and weeks without feeling like I need it.  Tobacco, no.  I needed that more than I needed food.


I've gone months without smoking a cigar, no problem.
//Never tried cigarettes
 
2014-07-31 04:19:14 PM  
A government and it's "constituents" will criminalize and regulate any resource which the average person can make for themselves. The economy and many industries require the ability to be the source for certain products. In the case of intoxicants, this includes liquor and tobacco. There is a reason that it is illegal in most place to grow your own tobacco or make your own booze. It's not because the government is trying to protect you, it's working to protect the companies that they are friendly with.
 
2014-07-31 04:21:27 PM  

groppet: I dont smoke but at this point it looks like it is useless to stop legalization. I  get tired of the same lame excuses from the DEA and police & family groups. Just wish they made a strain that would get my roomate off the couch and get a job.


Get that layabout an equatorial Sativa (high THC/low CBD), that'll move him (they stopped selling Magnesium Pemolate so - can't make much headway on dumb).

Didn't run into any Indicas until the early `80's (grew nothing but Santa Marta `Rainbow').  Friends started mentioning `fat girl' dope.  As it was the dawn of hip-hop I didn't think much about it.  Someone had some of this with them and I imbibed - farking disgusting slow heavy farking lethargy of body and mind - yeah, `fat (fill in sex)' someones sitting with the ice cream melting on their chests. Won't even go near a hybrid.

/to each their own
 
2014-07-31 04:22:21 PM  
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2014-07-31 04:24:12 PM  
Growing your own cannabis is not impractical,tobacco on the other hand is, relatively.
 
2014-07-31 04:28:31 PM  

BeerGraduate: Growing your own cannabis is not impractical,tobacco on the other hand is, relatively.


"But.. smoking tobacco is just like putting babies on spikes and destroys the planet and makes baby Jesus cry.  Weed, OTOH, is like, totally good for you and enlightening and, and.. wait... hang on.. sh*t.   *giggle*"
 
2014-07-31 04:28:48 PM  

MadHatter500: durbnpoisn: Another thing that pisses me off about this...  Here in NJ, they finally legalized medical maryJ.  But the gov't put every goddamn block possible in place to make it impossible for it to be implemented.

So it's legal for people who need it to get it.  It's just not possible.

Someone needs to bonk the entire legislature over the head for that one!

I think you are missing the correct target.  He's hard to miss, so I'm guessing you had to try on that one.


Yeah, yeah...  Haha...  Chrystie is fat.  We get it.
The thing is, I can't exactly blame him alone.  That's why I blamed the whole damn legislature.

But I will entertain your point this far...  Christie got himself elected on the promise that he would do what the people wanted.  And in the beginning that was true.  He stood up against the legeslature to push things through BECAUSE the people wanted things done.  And it was good.  Good to finally see a governor that could get shiat done.
However...  Somewhere along the line he totally changed his tune.  Because when it came to TWO huge issues - gay marriage and pot - he totally flopped his position.  Because HE doesn't agree with those things being legal, he is doing every farking thing he can to prevent them from being legal.

And that's farked up.  Evidently, he is willing to do what the people want.  But only if it's what HE agrees with.

That makes him a real hypocrite and an asshole.
 
2014-07-31 04:30:31 PM  
Sativa = Standiva (go clean, go for hike, go do something)
Indica = indacouch (you ain't doing sh*t)
 
2014-07-31 04:33:39 PM  
WeenerGord:

Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm



Illuminati-news?  Really?  I mean there HAS to be better sources than Illuminati-news.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Tipper Gore agrees with the "Rock'n' Roll and Mind Control" page, and I have no doubt the book advertised as such is too legit to quit:

"This is a true story. Bill Schnoebelen has been high up in the hierarchy of almost EVERY prominent secret society, and been deeply involved in the darkest of the darkest of the occult. He once was a true Satanist and a REAL vampire, totally addicted to blood, until he managed to break out about 20 years ago ."

Because I start all my true story's with "This is a true story"....
 
2014-07-31 04:40:30 PM  
www.monstermayhem.org
 
2014-07-31 04:43:22 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-31 04:45:18 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 558x1500]


Nobody has ever died of a tobacco overdose either.  Leave it to Maher to be wrong even when he's right.
 
2014-07-31 04:48:20 PM  

GoldSpider: farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 558x1500]

Nobody has ever died of a tobacco overdose either.  Leave it to Maher to be wrong even when he's right.


Huh? That focused on alcohol and prescription drugs. Tobacco can kill though. It just takes a while.
 
2014-07-31 04:50:46 PM  

GoldSpider: farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 558x1500]

Nobody has ever died of a tobacco overdose either.  Leave it to Maher to be wrong even when he's right.


Not true.
 
2014-07-31 04:50:52 PM  

Crazy Lee: groppet: I dont smoke but at this point it looks like it is useless to stop legalization. I  get tired of the same lame excuses from the DEA and police & family groups. Just wish they made a strain that would get my roomate off the couch and get a job.

Get that layabout an equatorial Sativa (high THC/low CBD), that'll move him (they stopped selling Magnesium Pemolate so - can't make much headway on dumb).

Didn't run into any Indicas until the early `80's (grew nothing but Santa Marta `Rainbow').  Friends started mentioning `fat girl' dope.  As it was the dawn of hip-hop I didn't think much about it.  Someone had some of this with them and I imbibed - farking disgusting slow heavy farking lethargy of body and mind - yeah, `fat (fill in sex)' someones sitting with the ice cream melting on their chests. Won't even go near a hybrid.

/to each their own


Yup. Sativas are what I need. And no one grows them because 12-16 weeks in flower ain't "profitable." And jesus fark they get ropey indoors even with 2 under 2600w.
 
2014-07-31 04:51:47 PM  

H31N0US: Huh? That focused on alcohol and prescription drugs. Tobacco can kill though. It just takes a while.


No, I get what he was saying, and in that he was right.  But arguing that you can't overdose on it doesn't make it harmless either.  There are better arguments in favor of legalization to be made, especially with the political hard-on people have for cigarettes these days.
 
2014-07-31 04:52:33 PM  

GoldSpider: Nobody has ever died of a tobacco overdose either.


Not sure if serious, but plenty of curious kids (and pets) have died of acute nicotine poisoning.
 
2014-07-31 04:53:43 PM  
CSB:

There is a guy named Norville I work with that seems to be constantly high.  He is stoned when he gets to work and probably is getting high somewhere off camera when he's at work.  He even brings his great dane who seems to be high from secondhand smoke to work with him.  He disappears with his dog all the time and causes all kind of trouble for us.  He's balanced though by this really smart girl who literally carry's him, and even bribes them to get their work with snacks.  It's pretty pathetic to watch actually she should just hang him out to dry.

I'd quit if it weren't for this other chick that is pretty hot but dumb as a sack of potatoes.  I suppose it's not all bad I get to drive the company van and we get to work for some moderately famous people from time to time.
 
2014-07-31 04:55:31 PM  
Everybody is just trying to get back to childhood when everything was new and wonderful and amazing and the filters were off and the planet offered something interesting and enlightening every day.  That's what all this stuff we smoke, drink, inject and snort is about.  We wanna go back to having the world do our thinking for us.  And I'm sort of fine with that, but that's a dangerous state of mind to be in in a world we've f*cked up this badly.  Let me know when booze and dope are begging in the open market because everybody is busy being happy as an adult.  In the mean time, hemp is an amazing  resource and we should grow it like... weeds.
 
2014-07-31 04:57:00 PM  

GoldSpider: H31N0US: Huh? That focused on alcohol and prescription drugs. Tobacco can kill though. It just takes a while.

No, I get what he was saying, and in that he was right.  But arguing that you can't overdose on it doesn't make it harmless either.  There are better arguments in favor of legalization to be made, especially with the political hard-on people have for cigarettes these days.


Not for nuthin, but "overdose" is probably not the only thing people should be thinking about in terms of being harmful in nature.

You can overdose on water if you drink enough in one shot.
 
2014-07-31 04:58:50 PM  

incendi: Not sure if serious, but plenty of curious kids (and pets) have died of acute nicotine poisoning.


How, by eating a box of cigarettes?  Actually a little curious, but in general too much of any substance will eventually cause problems.
 
2014-07-31 05:04:36 PM  

TheGogmagog: CSB:

There is a guy named Norville I work with that seems to be constantly high.  He is stoned when he gets to work and probably is getting high somewhere off camera when he's at work.  He even brings his great dane who seems to be high from secondhand smoke to work with him.  He disappears with his dog all the time and causes all kind of trouble for us.  He's balanced though by this really smart girl who literally carry's him, and even bribes them to get their work with snacks.  It's pretty pathetic to watch actually she should just hang him out to dry.

I'd quit if it weren't for this other chick that is pretty hot but dumb as a sack of potatoes.  I suppose it's not all bad I get to drive the company van and we get to work for some moderately famous people from time to time.


Well played, would read again!
 
2014-07-31 05:08:39 PM  

GoldSpider: How, by eating a box of cigarettes?


Pretty much that or butts out of the ashtray. It doesn't take much, and the people that are dumb enough to do that are usually pretty small, so it takes even less. However, even if you're an adult (or adult-sized teen, where this usually happens) who hasn't developed a tolerance, and you don't have much experience to gauge your intake with, it's very easy to smoke yourself to the point of nausea and vomiting.
 
2014-07-31 05:09:46 PM  
global3.memecdn.com
 
2014-07-31 05:10:09 PM  

GoldSpider: But arguing that you can't overdose on it doesn't make it harmless either.


It makes it less harmful than pretty much every other substance out there. I mean hell, you can overdose on water, man!
 
2014-07-31 05:10:32 PM  

incendi: GoldSpider: How, by eating a box of cigarettes?

Pretty much that or butts out of the ashtray. It doesn't take much, and the people that are dumb enough to do that are usually pretty small, so it takes even less. However, even if you're an adult (or adult-sized teen, where this usually happens) who hasn't developed a tolerance, and you don't have much experience to gauge your intake with, it's very easy to smoke yourself to the point of nausea and vomiting.


That reminded me of the first time I tried chewing tobacco. Swallowed a bit and turned green and puked. Good* times.

*bad
 
2014-07-31 05:12:58 PM  

GoldSpider: incendi: Not sure if serious, but plenty of curious kids (and pets) have died of acute nicotine poisoning.

How, by eating a box of cigarettes?  Actually a little curious, but in general too much of any substance will eventually cause problems.


You can make an extremely effective poison, i.e. dont get a drop on your skin, from chewing tobacco. One can. Just concentrating the juices without any fancy gear. Nicotine is no farking joke.
 
2014-07-31 05:16:52 PM  

busy chillin': That reminded me of the first time I tried chewing tobacco. Swallowed a bit and turned green and puked. Good* times.

*bad


Want to make sure kids never dip?  Make them drink from a spitter, which they inevitably will do later in live, thinking they're reaching for their beer.
 
2014-07-31 05:19:40 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-31 05:26:05 PM  

Headso: 5 joints in sitting?


Yeah, over the course of a few hours after they get home from work.

Admittedly, our their supply isn't the strongest shiat around, and maybe your people roll gigantic goddamned cigars that last forever, but we they treat it about like roll-your own cigarettes, you make one or two an hour over the course of the evening and just keep going at a low level.

I do live with fairly young people, but since that's the actual group in question (people potentially vulnerable to brain-development shiat) that sort of strengthens the paper's case more than it weakens it if that's the source of selection bias.  It wouldn't be unusual if it does trend that way, younger people tend to drink slowly and constantly every night when they can get their hands on alcohol, too, or binge if they can't usually.

My main objection here is that you don't get to cite a voluntary-answer survey with no verification to counter an  actual medical research study.  Not even a proof-of-concept scale one:

Body of self-supporting literature > single rigorous study > smaller-scale study > secondhand rumor > something you vaguely remember your mom told you once > urban legends > statement by Sarah Palin > voluntary-answer study >>>> voluntary-answer study about something with potential social stigma.
 
2014-07-31 05:28:42 PM  

GoldSpider: busy chillin': That reminded me of the first time I tried chewing tobacco. Swallowed a bit and turned green and puked. Good* times.

*bad

Want to make sure kids never dip?  Make them drink from a spitter, which they inevitably will do later in live, thinking they're reaching for their beer.


I remember when I was a junior in high school and one of my friends offered me and another guy a pinch. We both tried it. I didn't swallow the crap and enjoyed the buzz. He swallowed and puked almost immediately.

10 years later I'm still dipping and he hasn't touched the stuff. I really wish I would've puked. It's a terrible habit.
 
2014-07-31 05:31:26 PM  

snocone: incendi: snocone: y rumor du jour is "Marijuana Study shows immunity to Ebola increases with Oral or Vape dosage of 1g/day".
Gimme a couple of hours, I'll get a 97% Consensus of Experienced Researchers.

To contribute to your statisticals, I've definitely never contracted Ebola after consuming marihuana.

Also, never been attacked by tigers - it's a pretty potent tiger repellent.

97% might be too conservative.
So far, it is networking itself multiplying benefits like mushrooms and how do we get that over 100% Award?


I thought that was called an 'achievement'.
 
2014-07-31 05:56:38 PM  
Legalize it. Tax it. Regulate it. Let adults choose for themselves. There are plenty of other laws for people to break so you can still full of your prisons.
 
2014-07-31 05:57:17 PM  

Psylence: Crazy Lee: groppet: I dont smoke but at this point it looks like it is useless to stop legalization. I  get tired of the same lame excuses from the DEA and police & family groups. Just wish they made a strain that would get my roomate off the couch and get a job.

Get that layabout an equatorial Sativa (high THC/low CBD), that'll move him (they stopped selling Magnesium Pemolate so - can't make much headway on dumb).

Didn't run into any Indicas until the early `80's (grew nothing but Santa Marta `Rainbow').  Friends started mentioning `fat girl' dope.  As it was the dawn of hip-hop I didn't think much about it.  Someone had some of this with them and I imbibed - farking disgusting slow heavy farking lethargy of body and mind - yeah, `fat (fill in sex)' someones sitting with the ice cream melting on their chests. Won't even go near a hybrid.

/to each their own

Yup. Sativas are what I need. And no one grows them because 12-16 weeks in flower ain't "profitable." And jesus fark they get ropey indoors even with 2 under 2600w.


Oh, start with a Sativa cultivar that expesses an `activity' sufficient to one's desire, with the second set of plate leaves (should be able to toss a single plate in the microwave for a few seconds - take one puff & assess - not up snuff?  Try another cultivar.  Have had a bank of 6 48" GE Sunlight fluorescents, for decades (now serving more prosaic duty as a winter SAD limiting device).  One can keep those lights right down on top of the plants and they won't waste growth on stems.  A good cultivar?  Who needs buds to smoke (and they will seed under fluorescents,. with no loss of potency in succeeding generation (outdoor grows at higher latitudes?  Down goes potency by generation).  If one is shooting for weed porn then burn that electricity night & day with halides.  If one is only vaping a couple of leaves a day, from 12 plants after 8wks and they just keep growing?  Pretty cheap medicine.
Typical (no dope) winter grow with 6 GE sunlight Ecolux ($30.00 for 3 used shop light fixtures/$60 for lights/$10 a month electricity - 16hr day).
i30.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-31 05:57:20 PM  
full of = fill up.

/my goodness, I am terrible at this.
 
2014-07-31 06:07:00 PM  

GoldSpider: farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 558x1500]

Nobody has ever died of a tobacco overdose either.  Leave it to Maher to be wrong even when he's right.


I have literally never seen you be right in any thread, so there you go.
 
2014-07-31 06:28:39 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.


For the 2 AM crash thing, could you cite your source? I couldnt find mention of that in a quick mobile googling. But I thought alcohol-involved crashes had a hugely different effect on the record and insurance rates, and claiming it involves alcohol by default would be falsification of evidence in my opinion. It would also discriminate against people who work the late shifts. I wouldnt put it past some governments to try to do this, but there's just too much leggal baggage to get it through.
 
2014-07-31 06:30:19 PM  
It doesn't matter.
They could say they don't want to legalize it because it causes people to spontaneously explode, and it wouldn't matter.
It's illegal.
Get over it. Grow up. Get a job. Be useful.
 
2014-07-31 06:36:58 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: [i2.wp.com image 460x464]


Holy shiat - source? LOL I laughed way harder at that than I should have
 
2014-07-31 06:42:19 PM  

Carn: Shakin_Haitian: Well, yeah, plants absorb shiat from the soil.  You still have to get rid of the plant once it's absorbed shiat or the plant dies, decomposes, and the shiat goes back into the soil.

I'm no horticulturist, but I believe part of the "phytoremediation" process is that some of the heavy metals and radiation are used up by the plant.  So maybe there were 1000ppm of whatever in the soil and the plant eats .5% of it.  Compost the plants, rinse repeat.  After many generations, soil is clean.  Even if you cannot remove the contaminants completely, removing them from the ground gets them out of the water supply as well.

http://sc.water.usgs.gov/projects/phytoremediation/


Help me understand the implication of this, please.
If pot is legalized, then it will be possible to selectively grow the plants that clean the ground the best. At the very least, the people growing in a fallout area would selectively breed as part of their strategy. So, the pollutant removal rate could be increased. Cool.
But, all the plants absorb some amount, which means the smokable ones have some of the bad stuff in them too. Would that then get to humans, or is it only stored in the parts that are not consumed?

Also, i think plants actually get almost all their nutrients from the air, not the ground. Otherwise, every tree would sit in a big hole with a volume equal to that of the tree. But maybe this is why the absorption rate is so slow.
 
2014-07-31 06:49:21 PM  
Nearly 200 comments, and nobody seems to have pointed out that the ONDCP isn't legally authorized to put out any information, including empirical research, that is pro-marijuana. Of course they have to cherry pick the facts!
 
2014-07-31 07:08:40 PM  

ds615: It doesn't matter.
They could say they don't want to legalize it because it causes people to spontaneously explode, and it wouldn't matter.
It's illegal.
Get over it. Grow up. Get a job. Be useful.



But it cures cancer.

and plenty of users are grown up, useful workers.

laws can be changed, you know.
 
2014-07-31 07:30:04 PM  

tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home


Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...
 
2014-07-31 07:31:27 PM  

Chris45215: Carn: Shakin_Haitian: Well, yeah, plants absorb shiat from the soil.  You still have to get rid of the plant once it's absorbed shiat or the plant dies, decomposes, and the shiat goes back into the soil.

I'm no horticulturist, but I believe part of the "phytoremediation" process is that some of the heavy metals and radiation are used up by the plant.  So maybe there were 1000ppm of whatever in the soil and the plant eats .5% of it.  Compost the plants, rinse repeat.  After many generations, soil is clean.  Even if you cannot remove the contaminants completely, removing them from the ground gets them out of the water supply as well.

http://sc.water.usgs.gov/projects/phytoremediation/

Help me understand the implication of this, please.
If pot is legalized, then it will be possible to selectively grow the plants that clean the ground the best. At the very least, the people growing in a fallout area would selectively breed as part of their strategy. So, the pollutant removal rate could be increased. Cool.
But, all the plants absorb some amount, which means the smokable ones have some of the bad stuff in them too. Would that then get to humans, or is it only stored in the parts that are not consumed?

Also, i think plants actually get almost all their nutrients from the air, not the ground. Otherwise, every tree would sit in a big hole with a volume equal to that of the tree. But maybe this is why the absorption rate is so slow.


Plants get a good chunk of their nutrition from the soil.  They cannot absorb phosphorus or potassium or iron or magnesium or calcium from the air.  I don't know of many that can absorb nitrogen out of the air either, and need it "fixed" in the soil by soil bacterium.  You can even see little bacteria "houses" on some nitrogen fixing plants

Also, soil is not a zero sum game.  Trees grow, sheds leaves, leaves add some of those nutrients back to the soil.

Animals pee on and around the tree.  Insects and other animals defecate as well as can die around the tree, all the while adding nutrients to the soil.
 
2014-07-31 07:31:49 PM  

ds615: It doesn't matter.
They could say they don't want to legalize it because it causes people to spontaneously explode, and it wouldn't matter.
It's illegal.
Get over it. Grow up. Get a job. Be useful.


"it's illegal because it's bad for you...it's bad for you because it's illegal..."

It's going to be legal, get over it.

And relax, pretty much everyone who wants to get high has been doing so already - prohibition has been a dismal failure and costs the US 7 billion bucks a year just for Cannabis.  Would work just as well to pile up cash and set it on fire.
 
2014-07-31 07:33:44 PM  

DustBunny: tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home

Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...


When I first moved to Oregon, I met someone that was adamant that we not legalize it, just decriminalize it, because the didn't want to have to pay taxes on what they smoked, as well as they knew it in their hearts that the bulk of what would end up on a legal market would be grown by someone like Philip Morris and not be very good.
 
2014-07-31 08:16:41 PM  

ds615: It's illegal. Get over it.


It's illegal because it's illegal.   That is a ONDCP quality argument right there.

/it's not a proper hemp thread without a few bootlicker comments
 
2014-07-31 08:54:34 PM  
 
2014-07-31 09:34:49 PM  

meat0918: When I first moved to Oregon, I met someone that was adamant that we not legalize it, just decriminalize it, because the didn't want to have to pay taxes on what they smoked, as well as they knew it in their hearts that the bulk of what would end up on a legal market would be grown by someone like Philip Morris and not be very good.


Yep, just like most (?) beer is produced by Annheuser-Busch and isn't very good, but there's heaps of smaller operations that are producing quality products at different price points...power of the market, baby!
 
2014-07-31 10:04:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something.


Yep.  All the way home.
 
2014-07-31 10:09:16 PM  
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2014-07-31 10:33:19 PM  

phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com

Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->


whynotboth.jpg
 
2014-07-31 10:44:58 PM  

keepitcherry: Shakin_Haitian: [i2.wp.com image 460x464]

Holy shiat - source? LOL I laughed way harder at that than I should have


No idea, some random forum one night, I'm sure.
 
2014-07-31 10:54:03 PM  

Itstoearly: How do cigarettes contribute to violence?


Well, duh. Second hand smoke kills.

But it's not very accurate.
 
2014-08-01 12:12:01 AM  

phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com

Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->


Well... they didn't die, did they?
 
2014-08-01 12:13:18 AM  

real_headhoncho: phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com

Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->

Well... they didn't die, did they?


If they had, I'm sure they would have said something.
 
2014-08-01 01:58:44 AM  

Jim_Callahan: 4.5 joints every single day over that period.
This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day.  The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.
// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers.  Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.


Wow, complete bullshiat.  You either have an agenda or a brother-in-law that you hate because he sits at home all day smoking pot while your sister goes to work.  Most of my friends smoke pot and they smoke maybe, MAYBE two bowls a day.  If you decide to quit life and do nothing but smoke pot then maybe I could see that but the vast majority of pot smokers have jobs, families and responsibilities that don't allow that kind of use.  It's more of a "the kids are finally asleep on a weekend night" or "i'm going camping" kind of use.  That's like saying most people who drink crush a liter of liquor or 18 beers a day.

Or maybe it just speaks of the people you "know".  But my money is on you are just speaking directly out of your ass.
 
2014-08-01 10:22:59 AM  

Headso: Jim_Callahan: Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency.  Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

5 joints in sitting?


Shh, circling, he might land,,
 
2014-08-01 10:24:55 AM  

bmwericus: ds615: It doesn't matter.
They could say they don't want to legalize it because it causes people to spontaneously explode, and it wouldn't matter.
It's illegal.
Get over it. Grow up. Get a job. Be useful.

"it's illegal because it's bad for you...it's bad for you because it's illegal..."

It's going to be legal, get over it.

And relax, pretty much everyone who wants to get high has been doing so already - prohibition has been a dismal failure and costs the US 7 billion bucks a year just for Cannabis.  Would work just as well to pile up cash and set it on fire.


Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
Stop illegaling yourself
 
2014-08-01 10:31:28 AM  

bunner: If it was about medicine, they could isolate the cannabinoids that effect the medicinal properties.  We have chemistry, now.  It's just prohibition v.2.0 grinding to a halt under the weight of all that revenue they ain't getting.  The government doesn't give a sh*t if you shoot LSD into your eyeball and swan dive off a building as long as you don't land on their car.


Working up a short story.
Citizens can prepay the tax revenue they are expected to generate in lifetime.
Paid up citizens are above the law, by law.
 
2014-08-01 10:56:35 AM  

Carn: Hemp is the sister plant to marijuana that used to be used for making linen


Linen is made from flax.
 
2014-08-01 11:06:32 AM  

weltallica: B-B-B-BUT how will America's for-profit prison system make their billions in profit?

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CEO'S!


Dont worry, they all have contracts with the states that guarantee profits whether they have inmates or not.

So they'll still get lots of money from the govt. Only now they wont even have to work for it.
 
2014-08-01 11:17:31 AM  

DustBunny: tillerman35: It will be really hard to tax it when everybody has plants in their own home

Rubbish...very few people will grow it in their home, it's a pain to grow and dry it, and you have have the space and a small amount of skill to do it.

Homebrewing is legal and untaxed (i think, maybe there's taxes on ingredients?) but not very many people actually do it, preferring the convenience of purchasing pre-made beer...


Growing pot is quite a bit easier than homebrewing.  I do some homebrewing, but I'd say that 75% of the beer I drink is store-bought, just because I don't want to put in the time it would take to brew it all myself.  100% of the pot I smoke is home-grown, because it's so easy.
 
2014-08-01 12:08:30 PM  

stonicus: If I take the reefer, doesn't that mean my wife will start sleeping with black men?


Mostly you'll get an urge to listen to that Negro Jazz music.
 
2014-08-01 12:35:22 PM  

chewd: weltallica: B-B-B-BUT how will America's for-profit prison system make their billions in profit?

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CEO'S!

Dont worry, they all have contracts with the states that guarantee profits whether they have inmates or not.

So they'll still get lots of money from the govt. Only now they wont even have to work for it.


So, will the food get better?

/fewer mouths, and all
 
2014-08-01 01:30:32 PM  
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-08-01 01:47:25 PM  

phillydrifter: Danger Avoid Death: global3.memecdn.com


Are you stupid or do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? -->


What does people being so brainwashed they think they can die from consuming ganja have to do with the fact that noone has ever dies from consuming ganja? Yes, we understand those in charge are completely irrational.
 
2014-08-01 08:43:14 PM  
Some people, especially the elderly, are terrified of pot because "drugs are bad".  That is changing though.  Fewer and fewer are allowing themselves to be misinformed.

But those that still adhere to the old propaganda are fodder for the sensational news outlets who cater specifically to fears.

Colorado and Washington cannot be undone.
 
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