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2014-07-31 09:51:46 AM  
It's good to see there is a decent CEO who is not trying to be a ruthless Wall Street tyrant... which is more than likely why he got the boot
 
2014-07-31 09:54:25 AM  

Trance750: It's good to see there is a decent CEO who is not trying to be a ruthless Wall Street tyrant... which is more than likely why he got the boot


He cared about the long-term rather than just how much profit he could wring out in the next quarter.
 
2014-07-31 10:05:46 AM  
Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!
 
2014-07-31 10:17:13 AM  
as of this morning they said they employees can come back monday, no questions asked, but if they don't show they'll be replaced.  they also said that last week about this past monday, so we'll see.  they have to be getting some serious pressure from their distributors at this point because the stores have been all but shut down for a couple of weeks now.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-31 10:17:17 AM  
Market Basket was supposed to have job ads in today's papers for replacement workers.
It's strange to see a strike without a union involved. I don't count last year's fast food protests. They weren't serious.
 
2014-07-31 10:18:00 AM  
I think it's a stretch to say it's working. Management has set a deadline, after which employees who are part of the walk out will be fired. If it comes to that, I'm not optimistic about Market Basket's long term future. 

The best solution here is for the existing board to take Artie T's (the good guy) offer to buy a 51% controlling interest in the company. The employees get what they want, the existing board gets a fark ton of money and everything go back to normal. That said, this isn't merely a business dispute. It is basically the culmination of a decades long feud between the two side of the family.

The current board is acting stupidly. MB is bleeding lots of money every day. They're just farking themselves by letting this continue.
 
2014-07-31 10:22:11 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I think it's a stretch to say it's working. Management has set a deadline, after which employees who are part of the walk out will be fired. If it comes to that, I'm not optimistic about Market Basket's long term future. 

The best solution here is for the existing board to take Artie T's (the good guy) offer to buy a 51% controlling interest in the company. The employees get what they want, the existing board gets a fark ton of money and everything go back to normal. That said, this isn't merely a business dispute. It is basically the culmination of a decades long feud between the two side of the family.

The current board is acting stupidly. MB is bleeding lots of money every day. They're just farking themselves by letting this continue.


Other than the board and Arthur T., nobody knows what his current offer to buy a controlling interest is. And it really doesn't matter because every single other offer to buy the company in the last couple of weeks has been withdrawn. As long as Arthur T. hasn't made a truly embarrassingly lowball offer like $10, they'll have no choice but to take it unless they want to lose absolutely everything.
 
2014-07-31 10:28:56 AM  
From TFA:

Cousins Arthur T. and Arthur S. are both grandsons of a Greek immigrant, also named Arthur Demoulas

That's too confusing.

Mind if we call you Bruce?
 
2014-07-31 10:34:15 AM  
Serious Black:
Other than the board and Arthur T., nobody knows what his current offer to buy a controlling interest is. And it really doesn't matter because every single other offer to buy the company in the last couple of weeks has been withdrawn. As long as Arthur T. hasn't made a truly embarrassingly lowball offer like $10, they'll have no choice but to take it unless they want to lose absolutely everything.

You're right, of course. I'm working from the assumption that Artie T. has made a fair offer, but nobody knows for sure. 

I don't know if this board is smart enough to realize that they're in a very bad, untenable position.
 
2014-07-31 10:52:38 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Serious Black:
Other than the board and Arthur T., nobody knows what his current offer to buy a controlling interest is. And it really doesn't matter because every single other offer to buy the company in the last couple of weeks has been withdrawn. As long as Arthur T. hasn't made a truly embarrassingly lowball offer like $10, they'll have no choice but to take it unless they want to lose absolutely everything.

You're right, of course. I'm working from the assumption that Artie T. has made a fair offer, but nobody knows for sure. 

I don't know if this board is smart enough to realize that they're in a very bad, untenable position.


ASD may just want to salt the earth.  Family disputes defy reason.
 
2014-07-31 11:47:30 AM  
I really wanna know the 3 managers who weren't a part of the walk-out.
 
2014-07-31 11:57:30 AM  

If your boss was fired, would you walk off the job in protest?


Dear Curt Nickisch,

Please learn the subjunctive.
 
2014-07-31 12:03:08 PM  
If the board wins they will lose in the long term and if the customer boycott continues they wont be around much longer anyways and Arthur T can come in and buy it for less than his original offer.
 
2014-07-31 12:09:12 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: If your boss was fired, would you walk off the job in protest?


Dear Curt Nickisch,

Please learn the subjunctive.


The mere  word 'subjunctive' makes me angry.  Stupid Latin.

/Gallia est omnia divisa etc etc etc
 
2014-07-31 12:11:09 PM  

Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!


I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.
 
2014-07-31 12:13:11 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.


And this is why I will never work salary. They can make you work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week and you don't get overtime
 
2014-07-31 12:14:03 PM  

groppet: If the board wins they will lose in the long term and if the customer boycott continues they wont be around much longer anyways and Arthur T can come in and buy it for less than his original offer.


You don't understand, the board's goal is to gut the company and feast on the entrails. Arthur T was removed because he was being too generous, whereas Arthur S has promised leverage the heck out of their assets to pay off the board.

The board has no issue letting the business die if it means they get a huge payout right before it croaks.
 
2014-07-31 12:17:30 PM  

enry: ASD may just want to salt the earth.  Family disputes defy reason.


That.  Then ATD's failure to turn it around in a single quarter, when the finance houses won't finance, will be all his fault.

Reminds me of the situation a certain attractive, successful executive walked into once the arsonists got the boot.
 
2014-07-31 12:19:48 PM  

Klivian: groppet: If the board wins they will lose in the long term and if the customer boycott continues they wont be around much longer anyways and Arthur T can come in and buy it for less than his original offer.

You don't understand, the board's goal is to gut the company and feast on the entrails. Arthur T was removed because he was being too generous, whereas Arthur S has promised leverage the heck out of their assets to pay off the board.

The board has no issue letting the business die if it means they get a huge payout right before it croaks.


Except that the plan seems to be backfiring. They can't leverage assets they don't have.
 
2014-07-31 12:23:58 PM  

Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!


Because you also need support of the customers. We've shown again and again that we won't support our fellow workers.
 
2014-07-31 12:25:57 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Klivian: groppet: If the board wins they will lose in the long term and if the customer boycott continues they wont be around much longer anyways and Arthur T can come in and buy it for less than his original offer.

You don't understand, the board's goal is to gut the company and feast on the entrails. Arthur T was removed because he was being too generous, whereas Arthur S has promised leverage the heck out of their assets to pay off the board.

The board has no issue letting the business die if it means they get a huge payout right before it croaks.

Except that the plan seems to be backfiring. They can't leverage assets they don't have.


They own the real estate the stores are on, the stores themselves, and a huge amount of liquid capital.

The liquid capital was actually a big part of the old business model for them. By paying their suppliers immediately, in cash, rather than on credit the way most other big chains do, the suppliers would cut them a break on their prices, which then carried to the customers. That was going to be step 1 for Arthur S, get rid of that model and start doing things on credit.
 
2014-07-31 12:27:17 PM  
There's a lot that went wrong for the Company's side of things that will be a college case study for years to come.

So far management (the two new CEO's) has been pretty much absentee except for the random memo.  The worst thing that management did was not give management a friendly face.  Meet/greets and employee exchanges can go a long way to deter a revolt, but they should have done this from day one.

And without the friendly public presence, management have also alienated their customer support.  In fact, they have appeared very much indifferent to their customer's needs and risk a permanent loss of market share.

The same can be said for the Board of Directors.  And they should be faulted for hiring two of the worst CEO's possible as well as making them co-CEO's.
 
2014-07-31 12:28:29 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: If your boss was fired, would you walk off the job in protest?


Dear Curt Nickisch,

Please learn the subjunctive.


I was told there would be no math.
 
2014-07-31 12:30:58 PM  
If the board has to rebuild every store from the ground up? That will be a mess. The store managers are going to walk.

If the board starts replacing workers it will be weeks before the store operations are sorted out again and by then shoppers habits will have changed, possibly permanently and Market Basket will be significantly wounded and fall prey to the bigger chains.
 
2014-07-31 12:31:07 PM  

Trance750: Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.

And this is why I will never work salary. They can make you work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week and you don't get overtime


That depends entirely on the employer.  I'm salaried (as are most people in this country in my position) and I rarely work more than 40 hours in a week.  When I do I'm always allowed to flex the time later.
 
2014-07-31 12:32:09 PM  

Klivian: cameroncrazy1984: Klivian: groppet: If the board wins they will lose in the long term and if the customer boycott continues they wont be around much longer anyways and Arthur T can come in and buy it for less than his original offer.

You don't understand, the board's goal is to gut the company and feast on the entrails. Arthur T was removed because he was being too generous, whereas Arthur S has promised leverage the heck out of their assets to pay off the board.

The board has no issue letting the business die if it means they get a huge payout right before it croaks.

Except that the plan seems to be backfiring. They can't leverage assets they don't have.

They own the real estate the stores are on, the stores themselves, and a huge amount of liquid capital.

The liquid capital was actually a big part of the old business model for them. By paying their suppliers immediately, in cash, rather than on credit the way most other big chains do, the suppliers would cut them a break on their prices, which then carried to the customers. That was going to be step 1 for Arthur S, get rid of that model and start doing things on credit.


So, what Arther S. assumed was a liability will become an advantage. Ironic only if he doesn't get it.
 
2014-07-31 12:41:22 PM  

doublesecretprobation: as of this morning they said they employees can come back monday, no questions asked, but if they don't show they'll be replaced.  they also said that last week about this past monday, so we'll see.  they have to be getting some serious pressure from their distributors at this point because the stores have been all but shut down for a couple of weeks now.


I don't think they'll get enough "replacement" workers, even those who are desparate to break the boycott. Others will look at the situation and either see something shortterm or loyal to the workers/CEO.
 
2014-07-31 12:42:33 PM  

Elfich: If the board has to rebuild every store from the ground up? That will be a mess. The store managers are going to walk.

If the board starts replacing workers it will be weeks before the store operations are sorted out again and by then shoppers habits will have changed, possibly permanently and Market Basket will be significantly wounded and fall prey to the bigger chains.


I wouldn't be surprised if the board right now is debating between selling to Arthur T and complete liquidation to cash out just to spite him.
 
2014-07-31 12:43:33 PM  
Company executives says they want employees back at work by Monday, and have promised "they can return without fear of penalty."

Article fails to mention that management has already fired a bunch of workers for speaking up for the old ceo.
 
2014-07-31 12:54:21 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: If your boss was fired, would you walk off the job in protest?


Dear Curt Nickisch,

Please learn the subjunctive.


It's imperative that he do so.
 
2014-07-31 12:58:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Trance750: It's good to see there is a decent CEO who is not trying to be a ruthless Wall Street tyrant... which is more than likely why he got the boot

He cared about the long-term rather than just how much profit he could wring out in the next quarter.


Which just shows that we should have no minumum wage, or something. ;)
 
2014-07-31 01:06:27 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.


Sometimes you're also rewarded for such behaviour.

I worked in England, at a company that did surveys across Europe. So, 20+ nationalities.

First day at work, we were each handed a 10+ page contracts for us to sign. I read it all, and crossed out all the parts I didn't like (like wearing a suit), and then signed it.

I knew they couldn't do anything about it really, since I were the only one there who could speak Danish. And a competent Dane in market research is hard to come by on short notice, in England. But actually what happened was that they now loved me, and they promoted me to training people and such.

Mean while, some of the people who signed the contracts sat in their suits, and gave me the evil eye.

/shrug.
 
2014-07-31 01:09:57 PM  
My bet is that the board and CEO are laughing about this, knowingly gutting the company, and doing it right in the open. No need to pay employees, distributors, etc. Eventually, they will shut down operations entirely blaming it on an unrecoverable loss of revenue, but meanwhile all their accounts have been completely ransacked.

They knew what they were doing all along. They can survive on their 5 or 6 figure salaries, but a nice high 6 figure or 7 figure "bonus" after cleaning this company out was far more enticing of an option.
 
2014-07-31 01:24:25 PM  

ArkAngel: It's imperative that he do so.


People called Romans they go house?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-31 01:27:11 PM  
Do the board members and co-CEOs have huge golden parachutes?
 
2014-07-31 01:30:43 PM  
I was in NH this past weekend and it was all over the news. Lots of people shown supporting him but the coverage really never delved into why he is so popular.
 
2014-07-31 01:53:42 PM  
The funny part is going to be when the chain goes out of business and everyone loses their jobs anyway.

Also, thought liberals in New England bought all their stuff from farmers markets and organic collectives. Shopping at a chain? Tsk tsk you silly hipsters.
 
2014-07-31 01:55:16 PM  

ZAZ: Market Basket was supposed to have job ads in today's papers for replacement workers.
It's strange to see a strike without a union involved. I don't count last year's fast food protests. They weren't serious.


It's almost like people are capable of organizing themselves without paying some liberal crime boss millions of dollars to bargain for them.
 
2014-07-31 01:58:16 PM  

Bullseyed: The funny part is going to be when the chain goes out of business and everyone loses their jobs anyway.

Also, thought liberals in New England bought all their stuff from farmers markets and organic collectives. Shopping at a chain? Tsk tsk you silly hipsters.


You're thinking of Vermont.  They're the crazy liberal younger sibling in New England.
 
2014-07-31 02:01:54 PM  

Trance750: Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.

And this is why I will never work salary. They can make you work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week and you don't get overtime


Pretty sure they can't do that.
 
2014-07-31 02:02:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Klivian: groppet: If the board wins they will lose in the long term and if the customer boycott continues they wont be around much longer anyways and Arthur T can come in and buy it for less than his original offer.

You don't understand, the board's goal is to gut the company and feast on the entrails. Arthur T was removed because he was being too generous, whereas Arthur S has promised leverage the heck out of their assets to pay off the board.

The board has no issue letting the business die if it means they get a huge payout right before it croaks.

Except that the plan seems to be backfiring. They can't leverage assets they don't have.


If you think grocery store workers are an asset, I don't know what to tell you.

I bet Wegmans would pay for their stores and supply chain.
 
2014-07-31 02:12:41 PM  

Bullseyed: If you think grocery store workers are an asset, I don't know what to tell you.

I bet Wegmans would pay for their stores and supply chain.


You have to understand that MB is a unique entity. This is not your typical corporate enterprise that is considered neutral by the people.  It is very much part of our culture to shop there. Unless you grew up here, it is difficult to understand exactly how rooted this company is in our communities. Our friends, family, and neighbors all work there and have always been there to greet us for as long as we all can remember. If the company was foolish enough to fire our friends, family, and neighbors, the customers are not going to simply welcome Wegmans.

Also, I have lived in both Dayton Ohio and St Augustine Florida. Publix, Albertsons, Cub Foods, and Kroger are nothing like Market Basket. It may be difficult to believe, but I was very happy to shop at Market Basket when I returned to New Hampshire.
 
2014-07-31 02:22:25 PM  

spawn73: Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.

Sometimes you're also rewarded for such behaviour.

I worked in England, at a company that did surveys across Europe. So, 20+ nationalities.

First day at work, we were each handed a 10+ page contracts for us to sign. I read it all, and crossed out all the parts I didn't like (like wearing a suit), and then signed it.

I knew they couldn't do anything about it really, since I were the only one there who could speak Danish. And a competent Dane in market research is hard to come by on short notice, in England. But actually what happened was that they now loved me, and they promoted me to training people and such.

Mean while, some of the people who signed the contracts sat in their suits, and gave me the evil eye.

/shrug.


I am glad that you can speak Danish, because your English is atrocious.
 
2014-07-31 02:29:01 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: From TFA:

Cousins Arthur T. and Arthur S. are both grandsons of a Greek immigrant, also named Arthur Demoulas

That's too confusing.

Mind if we call you Bruce?


xfphotos.fredfarm.com

Arthur Dales is my brother. My name also happens to be Arthur Dales. It's the same name, different guy. The other Arthur, he moved to Florida the lucky bastard. Now, our parents weren't exactly big in the imagination department when it came to names. If it would help you wrapping your little head around this stupefying mystery, Agent Mulder, we had a sister named Arthur, too and a goldfish.

/popped into my head when I first read their names.
 
2014-07-31 02:45:34 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I really wanna know the 3 managers who weren't a part of the walk-out.


They where/are on vacation
 
2014-07-31 02:54:43 PM  

Nemo's Brother: spawn73: Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.

Sometimes you're also rewarded for such behaviour.

I worked in England, at a company that did surveys across Europe. So, 20+ nationalities.

First day at work, we were each handed a 10+ page contracts for us to sign. I read it all, and crossed out all the parts I didn't like (like wearing a suit), and then signed it.

I knew they couldn't do anything about it really, since I were the only one there who could speak Danish. And a competent Dane in market research is hard to come by on short notice, in England. But actually what happened was that they now loved me, and they promoted me to training people and such.

Mean while, some of the people who signed the contracts sat in their suits, and gave me the evil eye.

/shrug.

I am glad that you can speak Danish, because your English is atrocious.


So is your Danish.

Point?
 
2014-07-31 03:45:33 PM  

spawn73: Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.

Sometimes you're also rewarded for such behaviour.

I worked in England, at a company that did surveys across Europe. So, 20+ nationalities.

First day at work, we were each handed a 10+ page contracts for us to sign. I read it all, and crossed out all the parts I didn't like (like wearing a suit), and then signed it.

I knew they couldn't do anything about it really, since I were the only one there who could speak Danish. And a competent Dane in market research is hard to come by on short notice, in England. But actually what happened was that they now loved me, and they promoted me to training people and such.

Mean while, some of the people who signed the contracts sat in their suits, and gave me the evil eye.

/shrug.


That reminds me of the time my previous employer's company had a majority stake bought by another company.  The new rulers had a contract for each employee to sign and none of us engineering types signed it.  On the day of the signing deadline we basically revolted, refused to sign it.  At issue was a non-compete clause in the event of separation.  The wording basically made it such that none of us could seek employment doing our line of work *anywhere* for 3 years after separation.  It was probably just poorly worded, but we weren't going to chance it.

The new bosses eventually struck that entire clause and we signed on.
 
2014-07-31 03:48:07 PM  

SansNeural: spawn73: Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.

Sometimes you're also rewarded for such behaviour.

I worked in England, at a company that did surveys across Europe. So, 20+ nationalities.

First day at work, we were each handed a 10+ page contracts for us to sign. I read it all, and crossed out all the parts I didn't like (like wearing a suit), and then signed it.

I knew they couldn't do anything about it really, since I were the only one there who could speak Danish. And a competent Dane in market research is hard to come by on short notice, in England. But actually what happened was that they now loved me, and they promoted me to training people and such.

Mean while, some of the people who signed the contracts sat in their suits, and gave me the evil eye.

/shrug.

That reminds me of the time my previous employer's company had a majority stake bought by another company.  The new rulers had a contract for each employee to sign and none of us engineering types signed it.  On the day of the signing deadline we basically revolted, refused to sign it.  At issue was a non-compete clause in the event of separation.  The wording basically made it such that none of us could seek employment doing our line of work *anywhere* for 3 years after separation.  It was probably just poorly worded, but we weren't going to chance it.

The new bosses eventually struck that entire clause and we signed on.


Non-competes are virtually never enforceable anyway (and are actively illegal in some states like CA) - but you were still right to tell them to stick it.
 
2014-07-31 04:12:31 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: Honest Bender: Now if only everyone stood up for themselves this way.
Why do so many people let their employer dick them around?

Stand up for yourself, for Glob's sake!

I worked a salaried engineering job at a large American corporation outside Chicago. One day, the manager was asking us each which shift we'd like to work on Saturday. I told him I had plans for the weekend and wouldn't be coming in.
My coworkers were aghast and later asked me why I would do something so reckless that would basically ruin my career.


Didn't you used to date that girl who worked at Tschotchkies?  The one that never had as much flair as the other waiters and waitresses?
 
2014-07-31 04:30:08 PM  

Tigger: Non-competes are virtually never enforceable anyway (and are actively ...


Lawsuits are tough to afford when you have no income.

/ like they're affordable with one?
 
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