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2014-07-31 12:43:45 PM  
Although the man told her in hushed tones that he was a police officer, the lawsuit says, Meeker was not informed beforehand of the drill and was unsure whether he was telling the truth.

"In a desperate plea for her life, she begged the man not to hurt her, telling him she had a young child," the complaint says.


Who thought this was a good idea? Seriously, who? Hope she sues their pants off.
 
2014-07-31 02:18:37 PM  
Just tell her she has Alzheimer's and must have just forgotten about the drill
 
2014-07-31 03:00:07 PM  
They said it was not the city's responsibility to inform all the employees?

How in the hell wasn't it their responsibility?  They were running the drill....  It would have been as simple as having a staff meeting with the police coming in, and saying they were going to conduct an armed intruder drill at some point in the next week or two...

/smdh
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-07-31 03:01:44 PM  
What-in-the-HELL?

OK, start just shooting cops for shiats and giggles time, I suppose?

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2014-07-31 03:01:55 PM  
Her name is Meeker, for cryin' out pete.  How did you think she was going to react?
 
2014-07-31 03:02:29 PM  
NOBODY TOLD WILLIE!!!
 
2014-07-31 03:04:35 PM  
The drill wouldn't seem very realistic if the hostage knew about it.
 
2014-07-31 03:06:27 PM  
I wonder what happens when management has an actor pulls this on somebody who reacts violently.
 
2014-07-31 03:08:16 PM  
People can't somehow get permission to commit crimes. If the victim felt kidnapped, nothing separates this from a real kidnapping.
 
2014-07-31 03:08:36 PM  
This is a situation where shooting the cop is the only reasonable course of action. How far, how many times, will police push people into a situation where the only reasonable course of action is also likely to get you killed?
 
2014-07-31 03:08:47 PM  
And if she had resisted or attacked the guy, she would have been arrested for assaulting a police officer.
 
2014-07-31 03:10:48 PM  

pkrzycki: They said it was not the city's responsibility to inform all the employees?

How in the hell wasn't it their responsibility?  They were running the drill....  It would have been as simple as having a staff meeting with the police coming in, and saying they were going to conduct an armed intruder drill at some point in the next week or two...

/smdh


Because it was her employer's responsibility? Whenever my employer does some type of joint thing with an outside entity, I'm informed by my immediate supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by the boss. It's not someone outside my chain of command who tells me what's going on, it's my boss. The police department telling the home's management "Make sure you tell all your employees this is going to happen" should have been adequate due diligence on the part of the city.
 
2014-07-31 03:11:01 PM  
This is crazy.
 
2014-07-31 03:11:29 PM  
I hope she makes a frakking mint.

wtfisthisbullshiat.jpg
 
2014-07-31 03:12:06 PM  

whatsupchuck: Her name is Meeker, for cryin' out pete.  How did you think she was going to react?


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2014-07-31 03:14:03 PM  

lizyrd: pkrzycki: They said it was not the city's responsibility to inform all the employees?

How in the hell wasn't it their responsibility?  They were running the drill....  It would have been as simple as having a staff meeting with the police coming in, and saying they were going to conduct an armed intruder drill at some point in the next week or two...

/smdh

Because it was her employer's responsibility? Whenever my employer does some type of joint thing with an outside entity, I'm informed by my immediate supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by the boss. It's not someone outside my chain of command who tells me what's going on, it's my boss. The police department telling the home's management "Make sure you tell all your employees this is going to happen" should have been adequate due diligence on the part of the city.


Maybe so, but as soon as the officer realized she didn't know what was going on he should have walked away and cancelled the whole thing.
 
2014-07-31 03:14:28 PM  

pkrzycki: They said it was not the city's responsibility to inform all the employees?

How in the hell wasn't it their responsibility?  They were running the drill....  It would have been as simple as having a staff meeting with the police coming in, and saying they were going to conduct an armed intruder drill at some point in the next week or two...

/smdh


This was a drill setup by the employer.  It is their responsibility to inform their employees.  However, if I was the cops, I'd have a pre-drill meeting to go over basis shiat with the participants and have everyone involved sign a sign-in sheet to document their presence and the fact that they were given a safety briefing.

/has had various EMT/disaster/emergency response drills at various employers
 
2014-07-31 03:16:57 PM  

strathmeyer: People can't somehow get permission to commit crimes. If the victim felt kidnapped, nothing separates this from a real kidnapping.


Really...  This.

Just saying to her "don't worry.  I'm a cop", is not going to pacify anyone.  In fact, that would be a reasonable ploy by an actual kidnapper.
Obviously, someone should have informed this woman what was happening WAY before it actually took place.
 
2014-07-31 03:17:38 PM  

strathmeyer: People can't somehow get permission to commit crimes. If the victim felt kidnapped, nothing separates this from a real kidnapping.


On the contrary, the person conducting this particular kidnapping will probably never even come close to being arrested.
 
2014-07-31 03:18:32 PM  

big pig peaches: Maybe so, but as soon as the officer realized she didn't know what was going on he should have walked away and cancelled the whole thing.


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This x 1,000,000!
 
2014-07-31 03:19:39 PM  

redmid17: strathmeyer: People can't somehow get permission to commit crimes. If the victim felt kidnapped, nothing separates this from a real kidnapping.

On the contrary, the person conducting this particular kidnapping will probably never even come close to being arrested.


Oh, that's what will happen, but that's not what should happen.
 
2014-07-31 03:22:20 PM  
What if she was armed and started shooting the cops butt off.
 
2014-07-31 03:22:35 PM  
Well, to me the best part is that the stupid city wanted the cops to justify the budget for hostage rescue, and will end up losing their budget in compensation to the old lady.

It's the LAWL
 
2014-07-31 03:23:09 PM  

gja: OK, start just shooting cops for shiats and giggles time, I suppose?


If this idiocy keeps up, one of these training exercises is going to end up with a dead cop when somebody actually fights back.

I guarantee they'll go down for capital murder.
 
2014-07-31 03:24:18 PM  

fnordfocus: gja: OK, start just shooting cops for shiats and giggles time, I suppose?

If this idiocy keeps up, one of these training exercises is going to end up with a dead cop when somebody actually fights back.

I guarantee they'll go down for capital murder.


http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/texas-man-wont-prosecuted-killing- co p-knock-raid/#axzz394l0TdRq
 
2014-07-31 03:26:17 PM  
I'm amazed Meeker didn't get booked for "resisting arrest" and "assaulting a police officer"
 
2014-07-31 03:26:46 PM  
"The safe word was posted on the bulletin board, right next to the sign up list for 3-3 basketball and Rosemarie's bratty little kid's cookie dough sale..."
 
2014-07-31 03:26:54 PM  
This poor, emotionally crippled woman. I think the settlement should be a hundred billion dollars!
 
2014-07-31 03:27:33 PM  
Too bad she trusted her employer to keep her safe. It would have been an awesome popcorn-munching court case if she had defended herself and shot the cop.
 
2014-07-31 03:27:34 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: This was a drill setup by the employer.  It is their responsibility to inform their employees.  However, if I was the cops, I'd have a pre-drill meeting to go over basis shiat with the participants and have everyone involved sign a sign-in sheet to document their presence and the fact that they were given a safety briefing.



Exactly... just cuz the guy on Craigslist says it's OK to just walk into his house and role-play a rape scene with his wife (oh, and she's such a super good actress, you'll think you're really raping her), it's still better to have a quick meeting with the wife first.
 
2014-07-31 03:27:35 PM  

yanoosh: The drill wouldn't seem very realistic if the hostage knew about it.


Hey, Officer?  What would you do if you were playing the kidnapper and an uppity civilian tried to escape or fight back?

I'm guessing you wouldn't hesitate to cap her and cry self defense.

The fact that this puts civilians in significant risk of injury or death, or at least long prison sentences for assaulting an Officer, is totally farked.  And yet it seems reasonable to y'all.
 
2014-07-31 03:29:01 PM  
And I thought the movie(s) Police Academy were simply jokes.
 
2014-07-31 03:29:11 PM  

durbnpoisn: strathmeyer: People can't somehow get permission to commit crimes. If the victim felt kidnapped, nothing separates this from a real kidnapping.

Really...  This.

Just saying to her "don't worry.  I'm a cop", is not going to pacify anyone.  In fact, that would be a reasonable ploy by an actual kidnapper.
Obviously, someone should have informed this woman what was happening WAY before it actually took place.


Absolutely not. Kidnappings are not defined by the feelings of any victims, but ratger reasonable ones. Otherwise 100% of the lawfully arrested could claim it was a kidnapping and win.
 
2014-07-31 03:31:40 PM  

Giltric: fnordfocus: I guarantee they'll go down for capital murder.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/texas-man-wont-prosecuted-killing- co p-knock-raid/#axzz394l0TdRq


That's one case where the guy lived long enough to go to trial and somehow got off.

I'm not betting on those odds.
 
2014-07-31 03:31:44 PM  

stonicus: Satanic_Hamster: This was a drill setup by the employer.  It is their responsibility to inform their employees.  However, if I was the cops, I'd have a pre-drill meeting to go over basis shiat with the participants and have everyone involved sign a sign-in sheet to document their presence and the fact that they were given a safety briefing.


Exactly... just cuz the guy on Craigslist says it's OK to just walk into his house and role-play a rape scene with his wife (oh, and she's such a super good actress, you'll think you're really raping her), it's still better to have a quick meeting with the wife first.


What if you are tossing someone a frame bang? What's the SOP then?
 
2014-07-31 03:34:12 PM  
Sue them into oblivion. Really. Bankrupt them if you can.
 
2014-07-31 03:34:35 PM  

stonicus: Exactly... just cuz the guy on Craigslist says it's OK to just walk into his house and role-play a rape scene with his wife (oh, and she's such a super good actress, you'll think you're really raping her), it's still better to have a quick meeting with the wife first.


Back in the late 90's a professor at an University in...  Somewhere in the US had two actors/students burst into a class with fake shotguns as part of a "humanity / social / thought / whatever experiment/exercise," without informing the class that this was going to happen.

One of my professors I had for an elective/required arts/humanities class brought this up and said while it was a jerk thing to do, it was an interesting experiment and he wondered if any prof here would be adventurous enough to do it and if the department head would approve it. 

I wanted to be the smart ass but another student beat me to pointing out that it was legal for students to carry concealed handguns on campus.
 
2014-07-31 03:35:03 PM  
Who thinks that this is a good idea? Terrorizing a woman with a police officer dressed as a hood. Even though he told her he was a police officer, anyone could say that. Stop doing this kind of dumb shiat. It doesn't help, and just scares the crap out of people. You're lucky nobody got shot.
 
2014-07-31 03:35:33 PM  

Giltric: fnordfocus: gja: OK, start just shooting cops for shiats and giggles time, I suppose?

If this idiocy keeps up, one of these training exercises is going to end up with a dead cop when somebody actually fights back.

I guarantee they'll go down for capital murder.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/texas-man-wont-prosecuted-killing- co p-knock-raid/#axzz394l0TdRq


I hate the thought of anyone getting killed over owning a plant but I'm glad he isn't taking the rap for defending his home anyway.  What i really want to know is how he managed to not get shot after gunning down a cop.
 
2014-07-31 03:36:47 PM  

Smackledorfer: Absolutely not. Kidnappings are not defined by the feelings of any victims, but ratger reasonable ones. Otherwise 100% of the lawfully arrested could claim it was a kidnapping and win.


It's reasonable to think that someone who bursts into ones workplace, isn't in uniform, and doesn't start by showing some reasonable ID, isn't a Police Officer just because he whispers to you that he is.
 
2014-07-31 03:39:05 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Too bad she trusted her employer to keep her safe. It would have been an awesome popcorn-munching court case if she had defended herself and shot the cop.


/Agreed.  And who could have blamed her? She had no firm idea he was a cop, and anyone could say that shiat.  Whoever set this up is a idiot and deserves to be sacked.
 
2014-07-31 03:40:42 PM  
This is going to get a lot more interesting as more people start concealed carry.
 
2014-07-31 03:41:02 PM  
 
2014-07-31 03:41:40 PM  

fnordfocus: Smackledorfer: Absolutely not. Kidnappings are not defined by the feelings of any victims, but ratger reasonable ones. Otherwise 100% of the lawfully arrested could claim it was a kidnapping and win.

It's reasonable to think that someone who bursts into ones workplace, isn't in uniform, and doesn't start by showing some reasonable ID, isn't a Police Officer just because he whispers to you that he is.


Certainly. That has nothing to do with my dispute with strathmeyer.
 
2014-07-31 03:42:48 PM  

lizyrd: pkrzycki: They said it was not the city's responsibility to inform all the employees?

How in the hell wasn't it their responsibility?  They were running the drill....  It would have been as simple as having a staff meeting with the police coming in, and saying they were going to conduct an armed intruder drill at some point in the next week or two...

/smdh

Because it was her employer's responsibility? Whenever my employer does some type of joint thing with an outside entity, I'm informed by my immediate supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by the boss. It's not someone outside my chain of command who tells me what's going on, it's my boss. The police department telling the home's management "Make sure you tell all your employees this is going to happen" should have been adequate due diligence on the part of the city.


Ummm no.

If you are the group incharge of something like this then it is YOUR job to get everyone together before hand and inform ALL participants.  I have been involved in bomb drills and I could not imagine what would have happened if the poor peep who answered the phone or found one of the bombs, didn't realise there was an exercise going on and that they were a part of it.

Considering patients in a nursing home, the cops are luckly one didn't have a conceal carry license and shoot them.
 
2014-07-31 03:44:11 PM  
The cops need a training exercise for their training excercise.
 
2014-07-31 03:44:15 PM  
Saying he's a police officer would have terrified her because cops shoot innocent people all the time.
 
2014-07-31 03:48:14 PM  

big pig peaches: lizyrd: pkrzycki: They said it was not the city's responsibility to inform all the employees?

How in the hell wasn't it their responsibility?  They were running the drill....  It would have been as simple as having a staff meeting with the police coming in, and saying they were going to conduct an armed intruder drill at some point in the next week or two...

/smdh

Because it was her employer's responsibility? Whenever my employer does some type of joint thing with an outside entity, I'm informed by my immediate supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by his supervisor, who was informed by the boss. It's not someone outside my chain of command who tells me what's going on, it's my boss. The police department telling the home's management "Make sure you tell all your employees this is going to happen" should have been adequate due diligence on the part of the city.

Maybe so, but as soon as the officer realized she didn't know what was going on he should have walked away and cancelled the whole thing.


I don't disagree. In fact, I think the whole thing was harebrained. It's a terrible occupancy for a drill like this, filled with the infirm. The staff won't get any more out of it than if they did a walk-through of a scenario, and the cops don't get any more out of it in terms of practicing tactics than if they found volunteers to act as hostages.

Horrible idea all around. All I was saying that after the meeting with management and instructing them to notify their employees, that's where the city's responsibility should have ended. At least in terms of notification.
 
2014-07-31 03:52:27 PM  

fnordfocus: gja: OK, start just shooting cops for shiats and giggles time, I suppose?

If this idiocy keeps up, one of these training exercises is going to end up with a dead cop when somebody actually fights back.

I guarantee they'll go down for capital murder.


If they fire a warning shot, the jury might find them not guilty.
 
2014-07-31 03:52:59 PM  
Yep.  If your department can't afford actors (or to use officers as stand-ins), your local community should not be drafted unawares.  :-P
 
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