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(Washington Post)   If you're a Democratic US Senate candidate trying to appear authentic to voters in Georgia, maybe hiring a PR firm out of San Francisco to help with the libsplaining isn't the hottest idea   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-07-31 08:27:48 AM  
Candidates that want to actually have a chance of winning have to have a strategy.
 
2014-07-31 08:32:10 AM  
Libsplaining?

Gold Jerry! Gold!
 
2014-07-31 08:42:56 AM  

incendi: Candidates that want to actually have a chance of winning have to have a strategy.


Yeah, a coherent strategy. Farming the planning out to consultants to tell the candidate what should be obvious doesn't equal a strategy.

If Jimmy Carter could get elected governor of Georgia 44 years ago as a non-Dixiecrat Democrat, why the fark does a run for Senate now require an army of bullshiat artists from 3000 miles away who know the lay of the land about as well as I do?
 
2014-07-31 08:51:45 AM  
This is an outrage!!!1!!!ONE!!
 
2014-07-31 09:14:15 AM  
Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.
 
2014-07-31 09:27:24 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


There's nothing really condescending there it just looks like voter demographic data.

It's not a strategy as much as it is the research needed to build a strategy around.
 
2014-07-31 09:44:50 AM  
SAN FRANCISCO!?

get a rope
 
2014-07-31 09:51:35 AM  

Rev.K: Libsplaining?

Gold Jerry! Gold!


He really had to CONcentrate to think that one up.
 
2014-07-31 10:18:58 AM  
Was there something surprising or unusual in here?
 
2014-07-31 10:24:54 AM  
I HEAR SHE DRIVES A CAR NOT MADE IN GEORGIA
 
2014-07-31 10:32:47 AM  
Not San Francisco!  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2014-07-31 10:33:52 AM  
libsplaining = citing credible sources.
 
2014-07-31 10:35:46 AM  
He just needs to borrow some derpscuses from the GOP.

If all else fails, go to the one the GOP defaults to. Blame Obama.
 
2014-07-31 10:36:13 AM  
www.slim-shoppin.com

/get a rope
 
2014-07-31 10:36:16 AM  
the *splaining meme needs to die
 
2014-07-31 10:36:35 AM  
yeah - aren't they just supposed to ask their uncle cleetus?
 
2014-07-31 10:37:58 AM  
I predict that by the middle of August, the term "Libsplaining" will be used throughout the Blogodome.
 
2014-07-31 10:38:45 AM  
Being authentic, like buying a ranch in 1999 and selling it once you were done cosplaying as a rancher?
 
2014-07-31 10:40:22 AM  
Politician spend money on campaigning, often using professionals who either run campaigns as a profession or who collect information to assist in the campaigning, along with people to carry out those activities.
 
2014-07-31 10:40:32 AM  
Can somebody farksplain to me why I should be outraged about a breakdown of state voter demographics?

*winks at Thank You Black Jesus!*
 
2014-07-31 10:41:24 AM  
Pft, unskewing the polls is free.
 
2014-07-31 10:41:39 AM  

someonelse: Can somebody farksplain to me why I should be outraged about a breakdown of state voter demographics?

*winks at Thank You Black Jesus!*


San Fransisco that's why duh!
 
2014-07-31 10:43:14 AM  
 
2014-07-31 10:45:30 AM  

Gulper Eel: incendi: Candidates that want to actually have a chance of winning have to have a strategy.

Yeah, a coherent strategy. Farming the planning out to consultants to tell the candidate what should be obvious doesn't equal a strategy.

If Jimmy Carter could get elected governor of Georgia 44 years ago as a non-Dixiecrat Democrat, why the fark does a run for Senate now require an army of bullshiat artists from 3000 miles away who know the lay of the land about as well as I do?


Because math works.  Strategy works.

Gettin' down with the Real Americans at the Waffle House looks like it works, but that's only because it's the facade that's built on math and strategy.  It doesn't matter that the team doing the analysis is working out of the back of a gay porno theater in the Castro.  If the math is good and the research is good then it's valuable.

You don't need to be based out of Macon to know how to run the numbers.
 
2014-07-31 10:48:01 AM  
Why go to San Francisco when you have sophisticated media-savvy talent in Georgia?

www.dirtyandthirty.com
 
2014-07-31 10:48:41 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


How does fox news do out there? They're just fine with being patronized and condescended to, you just need to package it right. Turns out PR firms work on packaging it right.
 
2014-07-31 10:50:54 AM  
Maybe he didn't feel like there were any Georgia firms he could actually trust not to forward all his strategy information to the GOP (Good Ol' Party).
 
2014-07-31 10:51:24 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


What is patronizing and condescending about anything in the article? Or did you just read the headline?
 
2014-07-31 10:55:16 AM  
I was going to vote for Nunn, but I'm on the fence now that I know she's using math. I was raised with traditional values and I'm not sure I can support that kind of stuff.
 
2014-07-31 10:57:23 AM  

Gulper Eel: why the fark does a run for Senate now require an army of bullshiat artists from 3000 miles away who know the lay of the land about as well as I do?


Because the red states have gutted education to the point that anyone with the actual skills to do the analysis correctly have no desire to live anywhere near those shiatholes?
 
2014-07-31 10:58:01 AM  

Wendy's Chili: I was going to vote for Nunn, but I'm on the fence now that I know she's using math. I was raised with traditional values and I'm not sure I can support that kind of stuff.


May actually be an issue in some parts of GA...
 
2014-07-31 10:58:17 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


"We need 1.4 million votes to win. Here is our roadmap to get there including groups will vote for us anyway, groups who will vote for us if motivated and groups that will vote and raise money. Also some people won't vote for us. Let's not spend time with them."

My god how condescending!
 
2014-07-31 10:58:40 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


Exactly.  You're supposed to patronize the rubes using tried and tested techniques.  Tell them how much smarter and hard working they are than the people who make more money than them.   Tell them how they "really know what's going on in America".  Applaud their common sense and decision to never move more than 15 miles from home.  Tell them how they're so much better than the people in other states by using intangible metrics like "friendliness" and "hospitality".

For God's sake, don't let them know that you know you're patronizing them.  I don't see why she needs an in-depth analysis to know how to do that.  This stuff is easy.
 
2014-07-31 10:58:59 AM  

scarbachi: Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.

What is patronizing and condescending about anything in the article? Or did you just read the headline?


Math and demographics are insulting to simple folks. No wait, that would be patronizing to think that.
 
2014-07-31 10:59:51 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


Unless its Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/RAND PAUL/Ted Cruz-flavored condescension, or at least fear mongering.
 
2014-07-31 11:00:07 AM  

Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.


Could you conservasplain this to me in simpler terms, please?
 
2014-07-31 11:01:04 AM  
If Purdue was able to beat out Kingston, Nunn is going to have a really hard time winning this race.
 
2014-07-31 11:01:20 AM  
I think it's gotten to the point where blurting out the name of a specific city is accepted as a form of communication for certain people.

San Francisco!

Chicago!

Benghazi!

It's as if they feel they are expressing an actual point just by stating the name of a place. It doesn't have to have any further context... it just feels like making a point.
 
2014-07-31 11:02:01 AM  

Gulper Eel: incendi: Candidates that want to actually have a chance of winning have to have a strategy.

Yeah, a coherent strategy. Farming the planning out to consultants to tell the candidate what should be obvious doesn't equal a strategy.

If Jimmy Carter could get elected governor of Georgia 44 years ago as a non-Dixiecrat Democrat, why the fark does a run for Senate now require an army of bullshiat artists from 3000 miles away who know the lay of the land about as well as I do?


I hate to tell you this but the vast majority of major PR firms are headquartered on the East and West coast. Chances are her opponent hired out to some firm in..

New. York. City.

/git a rope!
 
2014-07-31 11:02:44 AM  

Summercat: Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.

Could you conservasplain this to me in simpler terms, please?


Nobody likes being talked down to; especially (R)icks.
 
2014-07-31 11:04:20 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: I think it's gotten to the point where blurting out the name of a specific city is accepted as a form of communication for certain people.

San Francisco!

Chicago!

Benghazi!

It's as if they feel they are expressing an actual point just by stating the name of a place. It doesn't have to have any further context... it just feels like making a point.


Hey, it works for every live performance in front of an audience ever.....
 
2014-07-31 11:08:05 AM  

Gulper Eel: incendi: Candidates that want to actually have a chance of winning have to have a strategy.

Yeah, a coherent strategy. Farming the planning out to consultants to tell the candidate what should be obvious doesn't equal a strategy.

If Jimmy Carter could get elected governor of Georgia 44 years ago as a non-Dixiecrat Democrat, why the fark does a run for Senate now require an army of bullshiat artists from 3000 miles away who know the lay of the land about as well as I do?


Yes, no political candidate has ever hired any sort of consultant or had any advisors regarding campaigns or politics. This is entirely unprecedented.
 
2014-07-31 11:08:12 AM  

Fart_Machine: scarbachi: Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.

What is patronizing and condescending about anything in the article? Or did you just read the headline?

Math and demographics are insulting to simple folks. No wait, that would be patronizing to think that.


Inside baseball always looks ugly to those who aren't on the inside.  While this is the way most well-organized and run campaigns work, it looks/smells like manipulation to those who aren't familiar with the inner workings of a campaign.  The memo saw the light of day (it wasn't supposed to) and the other side is making hay.  If the positions were reversed, the Nunn campaign would react the same way.
 
2014-07-31 11:08:18 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Because math works.  Strategy works.

Gettin' down with the Real Americans at the Waffle House looks like it works, but that's only because it's the facade that's built on math and strategy.  It doesn't matter that the team doing the analysis is working out of the back of a gay porno theater in the Castro.  If the math is good and the research is good then it's valuable.


The researchers are far from infallible. Virtually all the pollsters got the GOP primary winner wrong.

Most of the findings I see in the leaked report are intuitively obvious - she's got an uphill campaign and can't come off as an Atlanta insider running on dad's famous name, and has to be ready to respond. Also, hope the Republicans nominate somebody crazypants (they didn't).

So what's the consultant for again?

And then there's the consultants' assumption right off the bat that there's going to be no talking to a huge swath of the electorate, so don't even bother. (This is the condescending part, imo.) Really? That's what Republicans do with the black vote and look where it's gotten them.
 
2014-07-31 11:11:13 AM  

DubtodaIll: If Purdue was able to beat out Kingston, Nunn is going to have a really hard time winning this race.


Speaking of Perdue, I loved his decision to make the Canadian Tuxedo the signature emblem of his campaign.
uneditedpolitics.com

It beat Kingston's choice to use the Buick Roadmaster wagon in every commercial.
a4.img.talkingpointsmemo.com

From now on, all analyses will clearly show that the Canadian Tuxedo resonates better with Georgians than the Buick Roadmaster Wagon.
 
2014-07-31 11:12:50 AM  

DubtodaIll: Summercat: Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.

Could you conservasplain this to me in simpler terms, please?

Nobody likes being talked down to; especially (R)icks.


So what was being talked down to about in the report?
 
2014-07-31 11:16:02 AM  

Summercat: DubtodaIll: Summercat: Nabb1: Those folks they are trying to win over in the hinterlands may be a bunch of unsophisticated rubes, but I assure you, they know full well when they are being patronized and condescended to (even if they don't know those words), and they don't like it.

Could you conservasplain this to me in simpler terms, please?

Nobody likes being talked down to; especially (R)icks.

So what was being talked down to about in the report?


All them syllables and numbers and whatnot.
 
2014-07-31 11:17:08 AM  

jaytkay: Why go to San Francisco when you have sophisticated media-savvy talent in Georgia?

[www.dirtyandthirty.com image 262x393]


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-31 11:18:31 AM  
The Russians had to resort to an even tougher strategy in Georgia.
 
2014-07-31 11:18:42 AM  
Gulper Eel:

The researchers are far from infallible. Virtually all the pollsters got the GOP primary winner wrong.

Most of the findings I see in the leaked report are intuitively obvious - she's got an uphill campaign and can't come off as an Atlanta insider running on dad's famous name, and has to be ready to respond. Also, hope the Republicans nominate somebody crazypants (they didn't).

So what's the consultant for again?


The consultant is hired to improve those chances of winning. Just because you have a bad chance of winning is no reason not to try.  I'm not sure why you don't understand the need for consultants.

And then there's the consultants' assumption right off the bat that there's going to be no talking to a huge swath of the electorate, so don't even bother. (This is the condescending part, imo.) Really? That's what Republicans do with the black vote and look where it's gotten them.

Yes, there is no reason to talk to swathes of the electorate.  You need to concentrate your limited resources in areas where they will be most effective.  This is smart.  It's why T. Rowe Price runs ads during PGA events instead of NASCAR.  It's why Bud Light runs ads during football and not on the Lifetime Battered Wife Movie of the Week.

Multiple candidates have written you off in the past and are writing you off right now.  The people you vote for have written off numerous groups that don't fit into your electorate demographic.

This is what it takes to win.  I think you're hoping for a romanticized version of campaigning that doesn't exist.
 
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