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2014-07-31 08:19:46 AM
Guy overcooked it, not intentional...

BAD SUBBY, *SMACKS WITH ROLLED UP BUNDLE OF BASEBALL BATS*  BAD!
 
2014-07-31 09:01:34 AM
I've had to do that, lay it down that is. It was either that or over a guardrail and a 300'+ drop. Broken hand and collar bone, plus about $2500 repairs on the bike. It was my own dumbass fault, spacing off at the scenery instead of the road. Evidently, you don't need an instructional video to avoid death.
 
2014-07-31 09:26:43 AM
Here's how to intentionally crash your motorcycle, for those times where it's either do that or and become an organ donor

FTFYS
 
2014-07-31 09:46:32 AM
It's worth noting that the tires and brakes will always, ALWAYS stop you faster than will your body sliding and rag-dolling along the road.
 
2014-07-31 10:15:23 AM
So it's a good thing to lay the bike down for no reason and roll into the oncoming lane?
 
2014-07-31 10:20:58 AM

TwistedIvory: It's worth noting that the tires and brakes will always, ALWAYS stop you faster than will your body sliding and rag-dolling along the road.


This.
 
2014-07-31 10:22:54 AM

baka-san: Guy overcooked it, not intentional...

BAD SUBBY, *SMACKS WITH ROLLED UP BUNDLE OF BASEBALL BATS*  BAD!


Pretty much that, but even then it's not even a crash. A crash typically means a collision with something other than the road.
 
2014-07-31 10:26:52 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: baka-san: Guy overcooked it, not intentional...

BAD SUBBY, *SMACKS WITH ROLLED UP BUNDLE OF BASEBALL BATS*  BAD!

Pretty much that, but even then it's not even a crash. A crash typically means a collision with something other than the road.


When sliding uncontrollably down the road, hitting the curb can cause major injuries.

'Thank you Captain Obvious!'

/I regret coming here.
 
2014-07-31 10:28:10 AM
Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.
 
2014-07-31 10:37:25 AM

Tricky Chicken: Dingleberry Dickwad: baka-san: Guy overcooked it, not intentional...

BAD SUBBY, *SMACKS WITH ROLLED UP BUNDLE OF BASEBALL BATS*  BAD!

Pretty much that, but even then it's not even a crash. A crash typically means a collision with something other than the road.

When sliding uncontrollably down the road, hitting the curb can cause major injuries.

'Thank you Captain Obvious!'

/I regret coming here.


Smacking the curb like that would have been closer to a crash than what the video was. Most people I know would define what happened in the video as an accident, but wouldn't call it a crash.
 
2014-07-31 10:41:22 AM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


In open country with very low traffic, riding a motorcycle is extremely enjoyable.  The wind, the open air, the sunshine, looking aroung at nature with unobstructed views is all quite enjoyable.  Most of the people I know that go on long cruises don't really ride all that fast and prefer 40-50 MPH secluded areas.
 
2014-07-31 10:42:09 AM
well, all I need to do is over-cook a gentle corner, have old tires, and forget that the road surface is cruddy and uneven so I can dig my peg in and cause the world's gentlest lowside, and make sure I'm riding with a full race suit.  Got it
 
2014-07-31 10:45:03 AM
The rider hit a bunch of the pavement seams which are basically like slick goo when under the sun.  You can see the bike simply slide right out from under him around the 6 second mark.  I almost lost it going around a turn after some patch work was done on the road leading to my house.  The pavement seams are part of patchwork that happens prior to road repair.  Sun hits this black glue like substance, it semi-melts, and becomes slick when you ride over it... much less trying to take a turn on a spiderweb of them like this rider did.
 
2014-07-31 10:46:41 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad


Smacking the curb like that would have been closer to a crash than what the video was. Most people I know would define what happened in the video as an accident, but wouldn't call it a crash.


Agreed - a lowside like that could be described as "dropping" the bike. A highside, OTOH, would IMO be considered a crash.

For those unfamiliar: in a highside, the back wheel generally breaks loose, the back end slides, and then the back wheel catches and causes the bike to flip over the opposite way. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwlZiArfnYg
 
2014-07-31 10:50:53 AM

baka-san: Guy overcooked it, not intentional...


balthan: So it's a good thing to lay the bike down for no reason and roll into the oncoming lane?


He may have overcooked it a bit, but it's not like he was doing 90mph. I may be mistaken, but looking at the scenery, and the frames before the crash, it's easier for me to believe he hit a patch of dust or gravel given how readily it slid out from under him. Sheeeeeeit, I've done that by accident on a road (pedal) bike. Hit a 4'' patch of grit, and there she goes.
 
2014-07-31 10:51:58 AM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


You....obviously know a bunch of piss-poor drivers then.  Either that or you are horribly bad luck for riders.  <knock on wood> I've been riding since I was 16 and have never done anything worse that tipping over at a stop sign my first day out.  Of all my family and friends that ride, I have one cousin who wrecked a bike, and he only dislocated his shoulder.
 
2014-07-31 10:56:02 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwlZiArfnYg


Ouch. Still, you want a single person motorcycle crash...try this one out. TFA says the guy was going too fast for the speed bump he hit, but it also looks like he may have tried hitting the front brake when he realized how fast he was going just as the rear wheel hit the bump or something. A slow motion vid of what happened is at about the 22 second mark.
 
2014-07-31 10:58:12 AM
I miss having a bike.
 
2014-07-31 11:02:13 AM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


In my country, having a permit allows you to have insurance. The insurance allows you to get paid while youre recovering from your wounds and to get treatments. This cost a bunch of money, so there is a premium on motorcycle registrations, even more so for those racers type bikes.

A scootter might cost you 300$, a cruising type bike might cost you 600$ and those fast bikes and high risks get hit with 1100$, every year. Offsets the cost of stupidity.
 
2014-07-31 11:08:05 AM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?
 
2014-07-31 11:09:54 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad


Ouch. Still, you want a single person motorcycle crash...try this one out.


Actually I just wanted to demonstrate the difference between lowside and highside. :-)


TFA says the guy was going too fast for the speed bump he hit, but it also looks like he may have tried hitting the front brake when he realized how fast he was going just as the rear wheel hit the bump or something. A slow motion vid of what happened is at about the 22 second mark.


Yikes. It does look like he grabbed a handful of front brake and locked up. The rear wheel was already unweighted and he was heading downhill (so to speak) off the speed hump...

From the audio it seemed like the bike kept tumbling for a while even after it was out of the shot.
 
2014-07-31 11:14:28 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?


Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?
 
2014-07-31 11:18:44 AM

redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?

Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?


Ok, I'll put it a different way. I know more people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to car accidents than people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to motorcycle accidents. Does that clear it up? Now obviously anecdotes aren't data and all that, but that's just my personal experience.
 
2014-07-31 11:26:20 AM
Not all hardly but a damn lot of the riders that I know have been in moderate to life threatening crashes.  I'd love a bike but I just don't think that it's worth it.  On top of poor road conditions and a short riding season (Canada) we also have a deer infestation in my area and hitting a deer in my car was bad enough thank you very much. I bought a truck this time around.
 
2014-07-31 11:29:19 AM
I only got my bike to ride the back roads of Vermont with.
And that is all I use it for.
Quick run to the water fall to cool off.
 
2014-07-31 11:30:20 AM
I have a ZX10R just like the rider in the video.  I has a traction control module that does a pretty good job of keep the tires on the rode.
 
2014-07-31 11:35:51 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?

Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?

Ok, I'll put it a different way. I know more people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to car accidents than people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to motorcycle accidents. Does that clear it up? Now obviously anecdotes aren't data and all that, but that's just my personal experience.


How about I provide some actual data:

According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles.[1] Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety
 
2014-07-31 11:40:07 AM

minoridiot: I have a ZX10R just like the rider in the video.  I has a traction control module that does a pretty good job of keep the tires on the rode.


you could tell what year the bike in the video is?


I have a Concours 14 with traction control, if I'm in full lean, the tc is worthless.  I thought only the new KTM has TC that works in a turn
 
2014-07-31 11:50:04 AM

Geotpf: Dingleberry Dickwad: redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?

Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?

Ok, I'll put it a different way. I know more people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to car accidents than people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to motorcycle accidents. Does that clear it up? Now obviously anecdotes aren't data and all that, but that's just my personal experience.

How about I provide some actual data:

According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles.[1] Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety


Like I asked before, you've never done anything potentially dangerous for fun? Not to mention that using the stats you provided, that 72.34 per 100k equals less than 1%. Yes it's more than cars, but stating that less than 1% of registered motorcycles are involved in fatal accidents isn't all that scary.
 
2014-07-31 11:56:48 AM
Would we have been expected to feel sorry for a guy using a public road as a race course if he went off the cliff while driving like that?
 
2014-07-31 12:01:00 PM

Giltric: Would we have been expected to feel sorry for a guy using a public road as a race course if he went off the cliff while driving like that?


Not likely. I think most people, biker or not, would have called him stupid for going too fast for the road he was on.
 
2014-07-31 12:03:33 PM

Timmy the Tumor: minoridiot: I have a ZX10R just like the rider in the video.  I has a traction control module that does a pretty good job of keep the tires on the rode.

you could tell what year the bike in the video is?


I have a Concours 14 with traction control, if I'm in full lean, the tc is worthless.  I thought only the new KTM has TC that works in a turn



Are there actually roads where you can hit "full lean" if you are going the posted speed limit and you aren't riding like a jackass?  I have to assume that there are, somewhere.
 
2014-07-31 12:03:52 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Like I asked before, you've never done anything potentially dangerous for fun? Not to mention that using the stats you provided, that 72.34 per 100k equals less than 1%. Yes it's more than cars, but stating that less than 1% of registered motorcycles are involved in fatal accidents isn't all that scary.


Well, I don't smoke cigarettes either.  There are some things where the danger to reward ratio just strikes me as unfavorable.

Plus, that's only fatal crashes.  The non-fatal crash rate is much higher as well.
 
2014-07-31 12:08:09 PM
"OR" become an organ donor??
 
2014-07-31 12:16:53 PM

Geotpf: Well, I don't smoke cigarettes either.  There are some things where the danger to reward ratio just strikes me as unfavorable.


Well, those are two things that are exactly the same.  Consider me convinced!
 
2014-07-31 12:19:56 PM

Weidbrewer: Geotpf: Well, I don't smoke cigarettes either.  There are some things where the danger to reward ratio just strikes me as unfavorable.

Well, those are two things that are exactly the same.  Consider me convinced!


I'm becoming convinced that nobody knows how to read anymore.
 
2014-07-31 12:23:11 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Dingleberry Dickwad

Smacking the curb like that would have been closer to a crash than what the video was. Most people I know would define what happened in the video as an accident, but wouldn't call it a crash.


Agreed - a lowside like that could be described as "dropping" the bike. A highside, OTOH, would IMO be considered a crash.

For those unfamiliar: in a highside, the back wheel generally breaks loose, the back end slides, and then the back wheel catches and causes the bike to flip over the opposite way. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwlZiArfnYg


The fact that he was wearing a Camelbak and managed to land on it certainly helped in that case.
 
2014-07-31 12:26:44 PM
CSS:

Never driven a motorcycle (rode on the back with my dad when I was 8), but I used to own a scooter. One day I was riding and noticed someone had dumped a sandbag right where I needed to make a right turn. I thought I had slowed down enough, but I didn't. Complicating matters was an SUV stopped at the limit line, and when my back tire came loose, I started sliding right for the driver's-side door. This was gonna hurt. Somehow, I planted my right foot on the asphalt and pulled the scooter around and back under me. It wasn't until two blocks down that I realized what had happened. No injury, other than a slightly painful ankle for a day or two.

/can remember dad teaching SIPDE when she was 4
 
2014-07-31 12:39:37 PM

Timmy the Tumor: minoridiot: I have a ZX10R just like the rider in the video.  I has a traction control module that does a pretty good job of keep the tires on the rode.

you could tell what year the bike in the video is?


I have a Concours 14 with traction control, if I'm in full lean, the tc is worthless.  I thought only the new KTM has TC that works in a turn


It appears to be 2012 or later.  The ZX10R has a 200 hp engine (bike weights 430, wet) so the traction control keeps new riders from flipping their bikes on the way out of the dealer parking lot.  The traction control does a good job of keeping the front tire on the ground, but yea, it doesn't do much in a full lean.
 
2014-07-31 12:47:01 PM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


You need to hang out with better bike riders.
 
2014-07-31 12:49:06 PM
That wasn't a crash, that was a slide/touchdown/slip/etc.  but he didn't "crash" , that would involve him smashing into something.

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


I guess you know a lot of wannabees.  Seriously, I've had a few bad situations, but not once did I need hospitalization or the sorts, and out of everyone else I've known that had bikes, those that did have incidents never had anything serious.

Trouble is, in the last 10some years, there was a huge increase of wannabees, and everyone and their dogs believed themselves "rebels" and hip and did the whole weekend warrior bit...

I absolutely hate getting stuck around such drivers because they have absolutely no clue to what they are doing.  The best they do is being able to not fall over, grin like they are so edgy, stall their bikes at the lights, have trouble getting it to move, and have their old and usually fat wives or girlfriends as a passenger.

And then you have the kids that watched a few movies like Fast and the Furious, get a bike with their parent's money and think that they're the shiats until they wrap the bike around a post or a car.
 
2014-07-31 01:14:17 PM

balthan: So it's a good thing to lay the bike down for no reason and roll into the oncoming lane?

A German motorcycle rider performed a similar maneuver coming around a corner on an oceanfront road when I was on a trip in Greece - unfortunately for him our tour bus was oncoming in the other lane.

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/he survived
//for about 15 minutes :(
 
2014-07-31 01:20:28 PM

imfallen_angel: and have their old and usually fat wives or girlfriends as a passenger.


I've always said that you have to be super-confident with your ass, or totally oblivious about it to ride biatch on a crotch-rocket.
 
2014-07-31 01:40:13 PM

Geotpf: Dingleberry Dickwad: redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?

Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?

Ok, I'll put it a different way. I know more people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to car accidents than people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to motorcycle accidents. Does that clear it up? Now obviously anecdotes aren't data and all that, but that's just my personal experience.

How about I provide some actual data:

According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles.[1] Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety


Those statistics are bad due to the lack of helmets and piss poor driver/rider education in the US. In countries with much better driver/rider education the death rate is much lower (for example in Britain its only a 38% increase in the chance of death rather than more than 100% for the USA). The shockingly high death rate is more to do with attitudes in the US than it is any inherent danger of motorcycles.

For example in Britain motorcyclists have fewer accidents per mile than car drivers do, those that ride regularly have fewer accidents in cars than those in the same demographics who don't ride and are only at fault for less than 30% of accidents.
 
2014-07-31 02:01:59 PM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


Been there, done that, got the Broken Rib's and HUGE bottles of Oxy to prove it.
 
2014-07-31 02:07:36 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?

Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?

Ok, I'll put it a different way. I know more people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to car accidents than people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to motorcycle accidents. Does that clear it up? Now obviously anecdotes aren't data and all that, but that's just my personal experience.


I'll assume from your response that you do not understand what I meant by saying absolute v. relative, much like Mitt Romney didn't understand that just because he pays $1 million dollars in taxes on an absolute scale, it doesn't mean that he isn't paying only 14% of his total income in taxes on a relative scale.

From your response it sounds like, on an absolute scale (i.e. 1 crash in a car compared to 1 crash on a motorcycle), you have heard of more car accidents than bike accidents.  On the other hand, just assuming that you know many more persons who drive cars than ride bikes, you likely have heard of more bike accidents per mile driven than car accidents per mile driven (i.e. 1 crash in a car per mile v. 2 crash on a bike per mile).

Not trying to be snooty, but I can't stand when people use absolute scales when a relative scale is obviously the more appropriate metric (e.g., my Romney example above).  It's like those statistics where they say "90% of car accidents happen within 1 mile of home"; well no shiat asshole, most people spend 90% of their time driving within 1 mile of their home so that conclusion is (likely) not statistically relevant.
 
2014-07-31 02:08:49 PM

redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: redflag: Dingleberry Dickwad: Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.

I ride and I know more people that have been in major car crashes or accidents than I do motorcycle riders that have been in major accidents. Also, haven't you ever done anything potentially dangerous for fun?

Are we talking on an absolute scale or a relative scale?

Ok, I'll put it a different way. I know more people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to car accidents than people that have needed lengthy hospital stays due to motorcycle accidents. Does that clear it up? Now obviously anecdotes aren't data and all that, but that's just my personal experience.

I'll assume from your response that you do not understand what I meant by saying absolute v. relative, much like Mitt Romney didn't understand that just because he pays $1 million dollars in taxes on an absolute scale, it doesn't mean that he isn't paying only 14% of his total income in taxes on a relative scale.

From your response it sounds like, on an absolute scale (i.e. 1 crash in a car compared to 1 crash on a motorcycle), you have heard of more car accidents than bike accidents.  On the other hand, just assuming that you know many more persons who drive cars than ride bikes, you likely have heard of more bike accidents per mile driven than car accidents per mile driven (i.e. 1 crash in a car per mile v. 2 crash on a bike per mile).

Not trying to be snooty, but I can't stand when people use absolute scales when a relative scale is obviously the more appropriate metric (e.g., my Romney example above).  It's like those statistics where they say "90% of car accidents happen within 1 mile of home"; well no shiat asshole, ...


statistically relevantsignificant
 
2014-07-31 02:09:06 PM

TwistedIvory: It's worth noting that the tires and brakes will always, ALWAYS stop you faster than will your body sliding and rag-dolling along the road.


This time infinity. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a farking moran.

IME  after an unplanned EVA, my bike slides faster than me. The joy of sliding down the road, watching my bike pass me, with sparks flying.

I've heard people claim "I had to lay it down." Always cruiser riders.

Unless you need to slide under an obstacle such as a tractor trailer, you don't have to lay it down.
 
2014-07-31 02:37:59 PM

Geotpf: Frankly, I don't understand the concept of riding a motorcycle.  Basically everybody I know who has ever owned a motorcycle has been involved in a major crash resulting in severe injuries of the type that required hospitalization and being bed ridden for months.  Friends, coworkers, relatives-you name it.  I don't get it.


Because 1,000+ miles of roads like this suck in a motorhome...

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2014-07-31 02:41:45 PM

fortysix: TwistedIvory: It's worth noting that the tires and brakes will always, ALWAYS stop you faster than will your body sliding and rag-dolling along the road.

This time infinity. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a farking moran.

IME  after an unplanned EVA, my bike slides faster than me. The joy of sliding down the road, watching my bike pass me, with sparks flying.

I've heard people claim "I had to lay it down." Always cruiser riders.

Unless you need to slide under an obstacle such as a tractor trailer, you don't have to lay it down.


I find that kinda funny because the video in TFA is a crotch rocket rider.

 

redflag: I'll assume from your response that you do not understand what I meant by saying absolute v. relative, much like Mitt Romney didn't understand that just because he pays $1 million dollars in taxes on an absolute scale, it doesn't mean that he isn't paying only 14% of his total income in taxes on a relative scale.

From your response it sounds like, on an absolute scale (i.e. 1 crash in a car compared to 1 crash on a motorcycle), you have heard of more car accidents than bike accidents. On the other hand, just assuming that you know many more persons who drive cars than ride bikes, you likely have heard of more bike accidents per mile driven than car accidents per mile driven (i.e. 1 crash in a car per mile v. 2 crash on a bike per mile).

Not trying to be snooty, but I can't stand when people use absolute scales when a relative scale is obviously the more appropriate metric (e.g., my Romney example above). It's like those statistics where they say "90% of car accidents happen within 1 mile of home"; well no shiat asshole, most people spend 90% of their time driving within 1 mile of their home so that conclusion is (likely) not statistically relevant.


You're trying to dig way too deep on that one. Relax, take your Abilify, and look at it again. Not as someone attempting to give hard numbers and facts, but as someone reciting personal experience. What you were asking was pretty much meaningless without me going into how many people I knew, of those how many drive cars, how many ride motorcycle, how many have had accidents in cars, how many had motorcycle accidents, how many of those accidents required hospitalization, etc. Frankly, I don't have the time to sort all that out for some random farker.
 
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