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(Gizmag)   Clever German engineers create a compact PC that, if you just flip it over, easily scrubs burnt-on food off your pots in the kitchen   (gizmag.com) divider line 36
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2014-07-31 05:36:21 AM  
Imagine how dusty that's going to get
 
2014-07-31 05:42:14 AM  
Just pray there's no electric short anywhere nearby.
 
2014-07-31 07:20:14 AM  
i.imgur.com

Approves.
 
2014-07-31 08:00:58 AM  
You're not allowed to touch it though.
 
2014-07-31 08:05:29 AM  
Is this like how they figured out how to fit 50 Gypsies in a Volkswagen?
 
2014-07-31 08:24:47 AM  

colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get


This.  Also...

One more feature to differentiate the Silent Power PC is an inbuilt sensor that the team says can detect movement to wake the unit up from standby as the user approaches. Conversely, if the user leaves the proximity of the device, the sensor detects the lack of movement and automatically locks the system after a predetermined amount of time.

Of all the ways that I can think of using a small silent PC, I can't think of a single one where that feature wouldn't need to be disabled.
 
2014-07-31 08:31:43 AM  

colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get


This. I'd spend a mint on compressed air on that thing.
 
2014-07-31 08:37:49 AM  

colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get


that ain't shiat compared to how sticky it will get after years of tobcco or weed smoke in an enclosed room.

also, my god, thermal paste, why didn't we think of that!
 
2014-07-31 08:46:05 AM  
Yeah, dust will be a problem, and it's kind of ugly.  And so what if the external temp never gets above 50C, what temp does the CPU or GPU get to?  Is there anything to cool the RAM?  This seems like a bad idea.
 
2014-07-31 08:57:14 AM  
Everyone who buys one of those will likely put something like this right next to it:

www.remodelista.com
 
2014-07-31 08:59:07 AM  
They say that Silent PC is a bad mother-
 
2014-07-31 09:07:19 AM  

Egoy3k: colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get

This.  Also...

One more feature to differentiate the Silent Power PC is an inbuilt sensor that the team says can detect movement to wake the unit up from standby as the user approaches. Conversely, if the user leaves the proximity of the device, the sensor detects the lack of movement and automatically locks the system after a predetermined amount of time.

Of all the ways that I can think of using a small silent PC, I can't think of a single one where that feature wouldn't need to be disabled.


Neither can I, and my two year old Lenovo T420 has software that can use the webcam to do the same thing.  If it doesn't detect motion after  a certain amount of time set by the user it locks itself.  I do not have this feature turned on, if I want to lock my computer Windows Key + L does the  job just fine.
 
2014-07-31 09:11:08 AM  
A woman?
 
2014-07-31 09:29:09 AM  
Hard to believe it took 35(?) years of the PC to come up with this idea.  Pretty simple and brilliant really.

As far as dust goes, just have two heat sinks, one you clean by soaking in some solution, hell make it dishwasher safe, while you use the other.
 
2014-07-31 09:41:27 AM  
noisy fans? I gather these people have yet to discover silent fans that's being made in the last 10 tens.

My machine has a total of 5 fans throughout it's system, and hard drives spinning is louder.
 
2014-07-31 09:42:28 AM  

Egoy3k: colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get

This.  Also...

One more feature to differentiate the Silent Power PC is an inbuilt sensor that the team says can detect movement to wake the unit up from standby as the user approaches. Conversely, if the user leaves the proximity of the device, the sensor detects the lack of movement and automatically locks the system after a predetermined amount of time.

Of all the ways that I can think of using a small silent PC, I can't think of a single one where that feature wouldn't need to be disabled.


Here comes the cat, better turn on the computer.
 
2014-07-31 09:47:04 AM  

Iszael: Yeah, dust will be a problem, and it's kind of ugly.  And so what if the external temp never gets above 50C, what temp does the CPU or GPU get to?  Is there anything to cool the RAM?  This seems like a bad idea.


These.

All that chaotic open space within the copper, with no moving air acts as an insulator.  Maybe that's why it's exposed, to let it rise and escape via convection?

If the external temp is 50c, that leaves them with a boundary of 10c(for amd anyways who's latest chips cap out at ~60c before throttling themselves down to reduce heat)

And as someone else mentioned, it all also relies on ambient temps, as that's the coolest your cpu can get via air cooling.

Because of the dust factor alone, this is going to be a piece of crap, depending on your environment.  Most homes don't have lab conditions with little dust.

Novel idea though.  Factor in a fan, maybe a larger dust cover to allow maximum air flow, you could do well with a relatively tiny fan.

A lot of it depends on the rest of the board, like you said.  Ram and chipset cooling.

Also, no way that has a normal gtx 760 in it.  That's a pretty big card, even non-reference cards are huge with big fans.  It's got to be some odd non-reference job or a mobile version.  There are other mini-pc's on the market that boast 760, but because of their size they're quite obviously using something that approaches a mobile version and not that big ass card.
 
2014-07-31 10:49:11 AM  
Geez they could at least wrap that brillo pad in a HEPA filter so it doesn't turn into the dust bunny from hell.
 
2014-07-31 11:32:58 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get

that ain't shiat compared to how sticky it will get after years of tobcco or weed smoke in an enclosed room.

also, my god, thermal paste, why didn't we think of that!


Yes....sticky from "smoke"
 
2014-07-31 11:42:30 AM  

imfallen_angel: noisy fans? I gather these people have yet to discover silent fans that's being made in the last 10 tens.

My machine has a total of 5 fans throughout it's system, and hard drives spinning is louder.


You must like tens.
 
2014-07-31 11:43:41 AM  
Damn crack heads always be up in here, stealing chunks of my heat sink to use in their crack pipe.
 
2014-07-31 11:49:27 AM  

stuhayes2010: As far as dust goes, just have two heat sinks, one you clean by soaking in some solution, hell make it dishwasher safe, while you use the other.


Not so easily accomplished when you need a good thermal connection between the heatsink and the chip(s) it's cooling.  You don't want to be replacing paste every time you need to clean the heatsink.
 
2014-07-31 11:56:05 AM  
As far as dusting, just get one of these bad boys, I have one and they work great (although it's really LOUD).

i406.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-31 12:23:32 PM  

Burr: Uchiha_Cycliste: colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get

that ain't shiat compared to how sticky it will get after years of tobcco or weed smoke in an enclosed room.

also, my god, thermal paste, why didn't we think of that!

Yes....sticky from "smoke"


As an ex smoker I can attest to the fact the smoke does in fact leave a terrible sticky residue on everything.  It's disgusting.
 
2014-07-31 12:29:15 PM  

BetterMetalSnake: imfallen_angel: noisy fans? I gather these people have yet to discover silent fans that's being made in the last 10 tens.

My machine has a total of 5 fans throughout it's system, and hard drives spinning is louder.

You must like tens.


years.. argh.. still not awake.. and still recovering from my cancer therapy so a bit groggy.
 
2014-07-31 12:29:29 PM  

MadMonk: As far as dusting, just get one of these bad boys, I have one and they work great (although it's really LOUD).

[i406.photobucket.com image 380x380]


I have one, it's not quite as powerful as actual compressed air or canned air(if the can is warm/fresh).

It also gets hot really fast, so you have to use it sparingly.  Saves a trip to the shop, or serves as a "good enough for now" cleaning, you won't be allowing cats to grow in your PC with it.
 
2014-07-31 01:06:44 PM  
mag.audubon.org

Cooling y'all!

Just toss a box of scrubbies in the case and you're good.
 
2014-07-31 02:07:28 PM  
Wouldn't there be a lot less dust, when there's no fan pulling air into the enclosure? There must be some air flow as hot air wafts away, new air wafts in, but it would be at a fraction of the rate of a typical PC/laptop.
 
2014-07-31 02:13:00 PM  

CFitzDE: Wouldn't there be a lot less dust, when there's no fan pulling air into the enclosure? There must be some air flow as hot air wafts away, new air wafts in, but it would be at a fraction of the rate of a typical PC/laptop.

polymath-project.com

No fan needed.
 
2014-07-31 03:42:43 PM  

ReverendJynxed: CFitzDE: Wouldn't there be a lot less dust, when there's no fan pulling air into the enclosure? There must be some air flow as hot air wafts away, new air wafts in, but it would be at a fraction of the rate of a typical PC/laptop.
[polymath-project.com image 500x332]

No fan needed.


This.  One of the worst idea's of cooling in electronics was, "Hey, we can put holes in the tops of cases and things so the heat can get out!"

Unless your box is on 24/7 and you have fans blowing up and/or a filter on top, you're going to have dust problems that require more maintenance(otherwise you're still dealing with a heat problem) than a closed panel(which can isolate what noise quality modern fans make).  Can't necessarily place fans that blow up, because that can screw with airflow and create a case with negative pressure.(and even then, if they're off, dust settles on and falls past them)

For simpler electronics just exhaust is ok, but for hardware that's more often riding at the boundaries of too warm when under load, you want maximum fresh air coming in and then escaping wherever it can.  With negative pressure(or neutral), fresh air can come in from multiple places and not necessarily flow over the components that need it the most.
 
2014-07-31 04:18:02 PM  

ReverendJynxed: CFitzDE: Wouldn't there be a lot less dust, when there's no fan pulling air into the enclosure? There must be some air flow as hot air wafts away, new air wafts in, but it would be at a fraction of the rate of a typical PC/laptop.
[polymath-project.com image 500x332]

No fan needed.


Of course there's dust in the room. I'm saying, without a fan, the metabolism of air exchange between within and without the box is much slower. Also, fan-driven air picks up dust more than the slow-wafting air of the proposed fan-less system.
 
2014-07-31 04:37:12 PM  

CFitzDE: ReverendJynxed: CFitzDE: Wouldn't there be a lot less dust, when there's no fan pulling air into the enclosure? There must be some air flow as hot air wafts away, new air wafts in, but it would be at a fraction of the rate of a typical PC/laptop.
[polymath-project.com image 500x332]

No fan needed.

Of course there's dust in the room. I'm saying, without a fan, the metabolism of air exchange between within and without the box is much slower. Also, fan-driven air picks up dust more than the slow-wafting air of the proposed fan-less system.


You're missing the concept.  Even in a room with no fans, the dust will settle on top.

Yes, a fan blowing can cause more dust to settle within an enclosed box(as opposed to just an enclosed box with no fan), but compared to the table next to it, it's not all that different.

The top of your case and desk get wiped down and flowing air can kick dust off of them.  The inside of your PC doesn't get that more frequent interaction.

You don't have a fan to under your bed, for example, but I'm sure it's dirty as shiat down there, probably a lot dirtier than the top of your bed(unless you're a totally filthy person).
 
2014-07-31 04:42:49 PM  

Burr: Uchiha_Cycliste: colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get

that ain't shiat compared to how sticky it will get after years of tobcco or weed smoke in an enclosed room.

also, my god, thermal paste, why didn't we think of that!

Yes....sticky from "smoke"


You really have no idea do you?
After thirty or forty years of smoking inside even the walls will have a sticky, tacky film of tobacco smoke on them. damned difficult to clean, and utterly disgusting. CPU fans suffer from the same.
 
2014-07-31 07:05:30 PM  
What they need to do is make it detacheable (has the technology of screws been lost?).   That way it can be washed an reattached.

/also they need to make it into the shape of a brain
//it would look awesome
///and get rid of that flat top, it would only be a matter of time before someone puts stuff on top of it
 
2014-07-31 09:44:56 PM  

Cyber_Junk: What they need to do is make it detacheable (has the technology of screws been lost?).   That way it can be washed an reattached.

/also they need to make it into the shape of a brain
//it would look awesome
///and get rid of that flat top, it would only be a matter of time before someone puts stuff on top of it


As mentioned above, just screwing metal to metal isn't good for thermal conductivity.  CPU heatsinks should always have thermal paste bentween them and the CPU.

And most people want to be reapplying and removing that gunk, or messing with it in general as there is a lot of screw down pressure involved with holding a heatsink in place on those sensitive and expensive electronics.

The do make massive passive heat sinks, and I do mean massive, but being made of fins, they're really easy to clean without taking anything apart.  Factor in a case fan or two on low voltage/rpms, and you won't hear it anyhow.

And if you really wanted to, you could form those into a skull/brain or whatever if you wanted.

/not quite what I'm talking about, but it illustrates it nicely
http://img0.etsystatic.com/il_fullxfull.155416500.jpg
/couldn't hotlink
 
2014-08-01 07:06:31 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Burr: Uchiha_Cycliste: colinspooky: Imagine how dusty that's going to get

that ain't shiat compared to how sticky it will get after years of tobcco or weed smoke in an enclosed room.

also, my god, thermal paste, why didn't we think of that!

Yes....sticky from "smoke"

You really have no idea do you?
After thirty or forty years of smoking inside even the walls will have a sticky, tacky film of tobacco smoke on them. damned difficult to clean, and utterly disgusting. CPU fans suffer from the same.


Apparently I didn't convey the self deprecating aspect of my post....will work on that next time.
 
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