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2014-07-31 02:48:58 AM  
O'Toole says the officer also wrote that the voter-approved state initiative legalizing recreational marijuana was "silly."

Maybe you should consider another line of work.
 
2014-07-31 05:22:32 AM  

fusillade762: O'Toole says the officer also wrote that the voter-approved state initiative legalizing recreational marijuana was "silly."

Maybe you should consider another line of work.


Damn shame that democracy is now considered silly by our overlords.
 
2014-07-31 05:24:31 AM  
Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?
 
2014-07-31 05:26:18 AM  

fusillade762: O'Toole says the officer also wrote that the voter-approved state initiative legalizing recreational marijuana was "silly."

Maybe you should consider another line of work.


Seargeant Major or Colonel perhaps
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2014-07-31 05:31:11 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?


You're right, but it's a stupid law. Even medicinal marijuana, with a doctor's prescription, is still illegal by federal law, yet they can give people morphine in the hospital.
 
2014-07-31 05:41:03 AM  

moel: fusillade762: O'Toole says the officer also wrote that the voter-approved state initiative legalizing recreational marijuana was "silly."

Maybe you should consider another line of work.

Seargeant Major or Colonel perhaps
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YAY! (leaves satisfied)
 
2014-07-31 05:49:01 AM  
Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.
 
2014-07-31 05:49:48 AM  
Can't give up the buggy whip job.
 
2014-07-31 05:51:29 AM  

Abacus9: Bigdogdaddy: Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?

You're right, but it's a stupid law. Even medicinal marijuana, with a doctor's prescription, is still illegal by federal law, yet they can give people morphine in the hospital.


IIRC Cocaine is a schedule II controlled substance which means you can get it with a prescription (probably not in nose candy form though).
 
2014-07-31 05:57:57 AM  
In other words: only one cop was actually enforcing the public marijuana smoking laws.
 
2014-07-31 06:04:48 AM  

Ambivalence: Abacus9: Bigdogdaddy: Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?

You're right, but it's a stupid law. Even medicinal marijuana, with a doctor's prescription, is still illegal by federal law, yet they can give people morphine in the hospital.

IIRC Cocaine is a schedule II controlled substance which means you can get it with a prescription (probably not in nose candy form though).


And marijuana is still illegal federally. Ridiculous, especially considering it has a legitimate medical use. My mom used it. She doesn't remember, but she was high as fark at the time. It may have saved her life.
 
2014-07-31 06:05:44 AM  

mike_d85: In other words: only one cop was actually enforcing the public marijuana smoking laws.


what a square
 
2014-07-31 06:07:43 AM  

mike_d85: In other words: only one cop was actually enforcing the public marijuana smoking laws.


I'd be shocked if this wasn't common behavior for any sufficiently large police department to be honest.  Outside of' "Oh gee our homicide detectives are making all of our homicide busts." If any one officer or team is writing a hugely disproportionate number of citations of making the majority of a type of arrest it gets looked into. That doesn't mean anything is wrong but it's an indicator that something may be wrong
 
2014-07-31 06:16:47 AM  

Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.


Might I ask why?
 
2014-07-31 06:29:05 AM  

mike_d85: In other words: only one cop was actually enforcing the public marijuana smoking laws.


Yeah, I can't see much wrong with this except for the reports of his political commentary (calling the law "silly") and allegedly flipping a coin to determine who gets a ticket.

Hey Seattle potheads,
     I realize not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead, but if you're blatantly violating the law by smoking in public you're probably a pothead.
    Don't cause problems.  We need to show the rest of the country and rest of the world that legal pot can be handled.

One issue that has come up in Colorado is an influx of young homeless people to our state.  Pot didn't make them homeless - it appeared some bums have just decided they'd rather be homeless in Colorado where they can buy pot instead of being homeless in Arizona or Texas.

Where the hell do homeless people get money for pot anyway?
 
2014-07-31 06:32:52 AM  

uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.

Might I ask why?


It is extremely noxious smelling? I got on the bus last week and it smelled like someone was smoking it in the back of the bus, it was so strong. Everytime it happens I think to myself "this is my fault for voting for this, and assuming people would be mature enough to do it in their own home instead of my face."
 
2014-07-31 06:37:16 AM  

uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.

Might I ask why?


You're asking this of a guy whose public profile is of being eaten by a movie shark. Probably a pothead shark from dirty hippie Hollywood.
 
2014-07-31 06:51:08 AM  
ONE COP writes 80% of the tickets written in the entire city, for a totally chickenshiat charge - and he actually has Down syndrome victims in here defending him.
Fark, you're getting really stupid, really fast.
 
2014-07-31 06:51:46 AM  

Jaws_Victim: uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.

Might I ask why?

It is extremely noxious smelling? I got on the bus last week and it smelled like someone was smoking it in the back of the bus, it was so strong. Everytime it happens I think to myself "this is my fault for voting for this, and assuming people would be mature enough to do it in their own home instead of my face."


Okay, It's not because of the laws or anything. Cool. You simply don't like the smell of cannabis.

It's not really a perspective I share, nor understand, but I'll defend your right to not passive smoke on public transport - that's true of tobacco, heroin, meth, too. Anyone vapourizing their addictive substance, in a place where others are forced to also participate, should be publicly stocked, and have their feet feather-tickled by everyone who was affected by their actions. (I'm serious, too)

I thought by 'in public' you were getting at us park-smokers, who prefer to be out in the fresh air, rather than stanking up our domiciles.

Where do you stand on 'us'?
 
2014-07-31 06:56:10 AM  

uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.

Might I ask why?

It is extremely noxious smelling? I got on the bus last week and it smelled like someone was smoking it in the back of the bus, it was so strong. Everytime it happens I think to myself "this is my fault for voting for this, and assuming people would be mature enough to do it in their own home instead of my face."

Okay, It's not because of the laws or anything. Cool. You simply don't like the smell of cannabis.

It's not really a perspective I share, nor understand, but I'll defend your right to not passive smoke on public transport - that's true of tobacco, heroin, meth, too. Anyone vapourizing their addictive substance, in a place where others are forced to also participate, should be publicly stocked, and have their feet feather-tickled by everyone who was affected by their actions. (I'm serious, too)

I thought by 'in public' you were getting at us park-smokers, who prefer to be out in the fresh air, rather than stanking up our domiciles.

Where do you stand on 'us'?


It should be unlawful to smoke pot anywhere it's unlawful to smoke tobacco. And nowhere else.
This cop had a personal axe to grind, and abused his position and the law. He should be out placed to some non-law-enforcement type of job.
 
2014-07-31 06:57:56 AM  

gfid: Where the hell do homeless people get money for pot anyway?

Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they're not good at what they do.  And some of them are very, very good at panhandling.  I've seen homeless guys pull out billfolds at convenience stores that would be over $100 if they were all singles -- except a fair number of them were 20s.  I remember one guy tailed me at a bus stop some years back.  Was extremely courteous, kept a safe distance, didn't say or do anything remotely threatening, but just wouldn't shut up or leave me alone.  I finally gave him some money to get him to STFU and he politely thanked me and vanished.  It's a shame because anyone that good at something can't be stupid, but he took his talents and became a professional panhandler.

This isn't to say they're all living how they like, but if they have enough money for a bus ticket to show up in another state for the drugs, you're probably not looking at that hardworking person with a heart of gold who just can't catch a goddamn break.  Those types will take any $20-30 they come across and feed their kids or something.
 
2014-07-31 07:02:08 AM  

jso2897: It should be unlawful to smoke pot anywhere it's unlawful to smoke tobacco. And nowhere else.
This cop had a personal axe to grind, and abused his position and the law. He should be out placed to some non-law-enforcement type of job.


Oh, we're agreed on these facts, mate. No probs.

I just want Jaws to elaborate a bit on the 'I hate people who publicly smoke pot' angle.

I understand the public transport issue - I have asthma that can be triggered by passive cig smoke. (i vape when at home to minimize harm, but in the park it's spliff time)
 
2014-07-31 07:08:11 AM  
It's illegal to smoke pot in public. He wrote tickets for smoking pot in public. What's the problem?
 
2014-07-31 07:17:39 AM  

abhorrent1: It's illegal to smoke pot in public. He wrote tickets for smoking pot in public. What's the problem?


Who cares if its illegal, he is still an asshole cop. Thats the problem.
 
2014-07-31 07:23:01 AM  

abhorrent1: It's illegal to smoke pot in public. He wrote tickets for smoking pot in public. What's the problem?


Well, when you have one guy writing 80% of the tickets for an entire, huge, metropolitan police department, it's a fair bet he's going outside their normal and customary enforcement parameters. That, combined with the fact that his superiors are clearly displeased with his actions, indicates to me that he will probably be asked not to write so many pot tickets in the future, and that he will be wise to comply.
So, actually - there's no problem.
 
2014-07-31 07:25:26 AM  

schoolbread: abhorrent1: It's illegal to smoke pot in public. He wrote tickets for smoking pot in public. What's the problem?

Who cares if its illegal, he is still an asshole cop. Thats the problem.


Beyond that, he has elected to create his own, personal enforcement parameters, and those appear to be at odds with those of his department. He won't win that one.
 
2014-07-31 07:27:52 AM  

jso2897: It should be unlawful to smoke pot anywhere it's unlawful to smoke tobacco. And nowhere else.


So in your car is fine then, right?

/kidding
 
2014-07-31 07:33:49 AM  
All drugs (including cocaine, heroin, psilocybin, MDMA, acid, amphetamines, opiates / benzos etal.) should be legalized, controlled, tracked and taxed very much like alcohol. Dosages would be standardized and product would be tested and labeled for strength and purity. Public consumption should be monitored and controlled just as with alcohol.after legalization scarcity should vanish and costs should fall. Scarcity/cost of drugs causes a big chunk of crime in our country. Justice department 2004 stats place drug related crime rates around 17%-19% for all federal and state prisoners. This includes crimes to get the money to buy drugs as well as crimes committed while on drugs. It would starve gangs and other organized crime organizations of valuable funds and it may legitimize some previously illegal enterprises. It will also allow people to buy drugs without having to associate with criminals or be indebted to criminals. It would curb some of the 14,000  yearly drug related homicides as well.

How many crimes are committed to get money to buy alcohol? I can't really find any stats but I'm sure it is niot very high as alcohol is legal and readily available at a fairly low cost.

Here are some stats from a 2010 Columbia University study that show crime rate numbers that are much higher than the justice department:'a numbers:
The new 144-page report released today by The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) at Columbia University also reveals that alcohol and other drugs are significant factors in all crime. In 2006, alcohol and other drugs were involved in these inmate offenses:
78% of violent crimes

83% of property crimes
77% of public order, immigration or weapon offenses; and probation/parole violations

There are downsides. There will most likely be an uptick at least initially of addicts. There may be more experimentation by underage users that's will lead to addiction. There may also be an initial uptick in crimes committed while on drugs even as the crimes committed to get drugs falls. Some illegal organizations may become legitimized.

I don't know of any family that has not been affected directly or indirectly by alcohol or substance addiction. It's heartbreaking but it's also a personal choice. The best way to "just say no" to,drugs is to illustrate how "uncool" it is to be an addict the same way that it is now "uncool" to smoke cigarettes. Youths under 18 should still be restricted from buying and using drugs or alcohol.

Legalize, control, track and tax all drugs.

/I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal
//not republican, democrat nor libertarian
//Man without a party
///Prostitution should also be legalized, controlled, tracked and taxed
 
2014-07-31 07:35:44 AM  

GDubDub: jso2897: It should be unlawful to smoke pot anywhere it's unlawful to smoke tobacco. And nowhere else.

So in your car is fine then, right?

/kidding


Well, no state is going to let people drive under the influence. I guess you could have a debate about whether passengers should be allowed to smoke in cars. I haven't given it much thought - I have a no-smoking-anything-in-cars policy, and have for years. Smoked things make cars smell nasty - especially the AC system.
 
2014-07-31 07:40:45 AM  

jso2897: abhorrent1: It's illegal to smoke pot in public. He wrote tickets for smoking pot in public. What's the problem?

Well, when you have one guy writing 80% of the tickets for an entire, huge, metropolitan police department, it's a fair bet he's going outside their normal and customary enforcement parameters. That, combined with the fact that his superiors are clearly displeased with his actions*, indicates to me that he will probably be asked not to write so many pot tickets in the future, and that he will be wise to comply.
So, actually - there's no problem.


One cop writing 80% of the tickets doesn't quite convey the scale.  He wrote 66 tickets, out of 83 in six months.  It's not like he wrote 1600 out of 2000.  Perhaps he has a patrol and shift that covers the jazz clubs as they are letting out, and a bunch of tools think it was funny to flaunt the pot in front of the officer. The flip a coin thing sounds bad, but if there is a group of 5 the rest aren't going to stick around while you write the first ticket.

Kind of like jaywalking, not worth chasing someone down, but if they cross the street blocking traffic where they shouldn't in front of the cop, I can see him ticketing them.

*Displeased with the publicity you mean?
 
2014-07-31 07:47:44 AM  
In other news, there are as many assholes in the police force as there are relatively in the general population.
 
2014-07-31 07:49:25 AM  

TheGogmagog: jso2897: abhorrent1: It's illegal to smoke pot in public. He wrote tickets for smoking pot in public. What's the problem?

Well, when you have one guy writing 80% of the tickets for an entire, huge, metropolitan police department, it's a fair bet he's going outside their normal and customary enforcement parameters. That, combined with the fact that his superiors are clearly displeased with his actions*, indicates to me that he will probably be asked not to write so many pot tickets in the future, and that he will be wise to comply.
So, actually - there's no problem.

One cop writing 80% of the tickets doesn't quite convey the scale.  He wrote 66 tickets, out of 83 in six months.  It's not like he wrote 1600 out of 2000.  Perhaps he has a patrol and shift that covers the jazz clubs as they are letting out, and a bunch of tools think it was funny to flaunt the pot in front of the officer. The flip a coin thing sounds bad, but if there is a group of 5 the rest aren't going to stick around while you write the first ticket.

Kind of like jaywalking, not worth chasing someone down, but if they cross the street blocking traffic where they shouldn't in front of the cop, I can see him ticketing them.

*Displeased with the publicity you mean?


Large or small, the disproportionate numbers, in combination with his attitude problem, have him on the carpet. I think it's pretty obvious that he will be told to chill out, if not disciplined.
And yeah - those who run people -sensitive services like law enforcement don't like bad publicity, and they shouldn't, and I don't want them to. I want them to fear bad publicity, and act upon that fear.
So - no problem.
 
2014-07-31 07:51:52 AM  

Abacus9: uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.

Might I ask why?

You're asking this of a guy whose public profile is of being eaten by a movie shark. Probably a pothead shark from dirty hippie Hollywood.


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2014-07-31 08:18:26 AM  
Of course one guy is going to issue the most tickets when there's an odd number of tickets issued, unless everybody issued exactly one ticket.

Granted 66 out of 83 is a bit extreme.
 
2014-07-31 08:21:43 AM  

www.fu-manchu.com

 
2014-07-31 08:26:54 AM  

jso2897: ONE COP writes 80% of the tickets written in the entire city, for a totally chickenshiat charge - and he actually has Down syndrome victims in here defending him.
Fark, you're getting really stupid, really fast.


Getting?
 
2014-07-31 08:29:13 AM  

Benni K Rok: Of course one guy is going to issue the most tickets when there's an odd number of tickets issued, unless everybody issued exactly one ticket.


41 officers could have written two tickets and one guy written one.
20 officers could have written 4 tickets and one guy written 3.

There are lots of other ways too.
 
2014-07-31 08:32:44 AM  
83 sounds really low. Weird. Not suggesting they write more tickets...

Between police brutality, stacking charges, forcing plea bargains (90% of felony convictions), and choosing which laws are the "right laws", the cops have taken over the entire show.

Also, writing too many tickets is the worst cover ever. I wonder what the officer really did to piss off the captain.
 
2014-07-31 08:43:50 AM  

Benni K Rok: Of course one guy is going to issue the most tickets when there's an odd number of tickets issued, unless everybody issued exactly one ticket.


What if three officers write three tickets?
 
2014-07-31 08:44:44 AM  

dragonchild: gfid: Where the hell do homeless people get money for pot anyway?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they're not good at what they do.  And some of them are very, very good at panhandling.  I've seen homeless guys pull out billfolds at convenience stores that would be over $100 if they were all singles -- except a fair number of them were 20s.  I remember one guy tailed me at a bus stop some years back.  Was extremely courteous, kept a safe distance, didn't say or do anything remotely threatening, but just wouldn't shut up or leave me alone.  I finally gave him some money to get him to STFU and he politely thanked me and vanished.  It's a shame because anyone that good at something can't be stupid, but he took his talents and became a professional panhandler.

This isn't to say they're all living how they like, but if they have enough money for a bus ticket to show up in another state for the drugs, you're probably not looking at that hardworking person with a heart of gold who just can't catch a goddamn break.  Those types will take any $20-30 they come across and feed their kids or something.


I used to go into D.C. with my youth group on Sundays during the winter to feed the homeless folks.  I spoke to one who said he regularly deposited $300-$400 into a bank account every single day, and that it was the most lucrative job he'd ever had. </CSB>
 
2014-07-31 08:44:51 AM  

Abacus9: fusillade762: O'Toole says the officer also wrote that the voter-approved state initiative legalizing recreational marijuana was "silly."

Maybe you should consider another line of work.

Damn shame that democracy is now considered silly by our overlords.


Let them. The three-letter agencies don't have the manpower to enforce laws on a local scale.
 
2014-07-31 08:45:23 AM  
Like Chris Rock said, the government isn't against drugs, they're just against YOUR drugs
 
2014-07-31 08:46:11 AM  

gfid: mike_d85: In other words: only one cop was actually enforcing the public marijuana smoking laws.

Yeah, I can't see much wrong with this except for the reports of his political commentary (calling the law "silly") and allegedly flipping a coin to determine who gets a ticket.

Hey Seattle potheads,
     I realize not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead, but if you're blatantly violating the law by smoking in public you're probably a pothead.
    Don't cause problems.  We need to show the rest of the country and rest of the world that legal pot can be handled.

One issue that has come up in Colorado is an influx of young homeless people to our state.  Pot didn't make them homeless - it appeared some bums have just decided they'd rather be homeless in Colorado where they can buy pot instead of being homeless in Arizona or Texas.

Where the hell do homeless people get money for pot anyway?


All the interviews I saw with people who moved there were looking for jobs in the industry. I imagine that they are homeless because they are unable to get traditional jobs due to past drug convictions, but have the knowledge to do well in the industry. Plus the fact that it's like a gold rush over there now, a similar effect happened during the actual gold rushes.
 
2014-07-31 08:46:55 AM  
Isn't a ticket the punishment for public weed smoking? I don't get it. If they don't want him to write tickets, just make it fully legal. The dude is right, this is silly.
 
2014-07-31 08:57:11 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?


Right after they raise your taxes to pay for the extra resources needed to do so. Which is to say, never. The only people in favor of raising taxes are in favor of legalization, and the people who think it is the devil's weed can't raise taxes because reasons.
 
2014-07-31 09:10:08 AM  

gfid: I realize not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead, but if you're blatantly violating the law by smoking in public you're probably a pothead.
    Don't cause problems.  We need to show the rest of the country and rest of the world that legal pot can be handled.



We need to show the rest of the country that people's behavior around cannabis is on them as individuals just like their behavior around alcohol and these individuals smoking weed in public have nothing to do with it being sensible to legalize   cannabis anymore than a hobo with a 40 has anything to do with the legality of alcohol. Fark every person who is pro legalization who pushes the narrative that the actions of a few dumbass potheads should impede legalization.
 
2014-07-31 09:23:28 AM  
What's the overlap between the 'government can't get anything right ever' crowd and 'please don't criticise our precious cops' crowd.

I'm guessing pretty high and with cowardice as the dominant personality factor in both cases.
 
2014-07-31 09:44:59 AM  

Ambivalence: Abacus9: Bigdogdaddy: Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?

You're right, but it's a stupid law. Even medicinal marijuana, with a doctor's prescription, is still illegal by federal law, yet they can give people morphine in the hospital.

IIRC Cocaine is a schedule II controlled substance which means you can get it with a prescription (probably not in nose candy form though).


www.projectknow.com
 
2014-07-31 09:47:52 AM  

Jaws_Victim: uttertosh: Jaws_Victim: Isnt it illegal to smoke weed outside still? I guess its more for thr comments about the law being silly....but good for them for actually writing tickets. I hate people who publicly smoke pot.

Might I ask why?

It is extremely noxious smelling? I got on the bus last week and it smelled like someone was smoking it in the back of the bus, it was so strong. Everytime it happens I think to myself "this is my fault for voting for this, and assuming people would be mature enough to do it in their own home instead of my face."


Now we all wish you really were a JAWS victim ...       -_-
 
2014-07-31 09:48:02 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Still against federal law.  I wonder when they are going to crack down?


Yeah, but Hurst is dead so nobody really cares any more. Legal or not, I won't smoke it because it makes me permanently & demonstratively stupider, but I don't care if you do or not. I know of people who can't function without it.
 
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