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2014-07-30 11:42:58 PM
I haven't seen it so I have no idea if it's "faintly fascist".
 
2014-07-30 11:49:39 PM
Shut up and take my nationalist identity money.
 
2014-07-30 11:54:22 PM
And Star Trek was communist.

Or, you know, fiction.
 
2014-07-30 11:59:31 PM
Haven't seen the movie. It looks like fun. Just read that review though and damn. Someone can't seem to decide which is better...the thesaurus dump or run on sentences. Not to mention they reviewed a comic book movie with about 300 back stories of which it is but one and demanded a completely enclosed plot...from Marvel. Where has this person been for the past decade of Marvel tie ins?
 
2014-07-31 12:21:45 AM
The last Captain America movie was libertarian.
 
2014-07-31 12:38:28 AM
Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism Groot.  At least it's an ethos.
 
2014-07-31 12:43:36 AM
FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?
 
2014-07-31 12:54:15 AM
I'm debating whether or not to go Friday night when it opens.  On one hand, I really want to see it, on the other, I don't like crowded theaters.  I'm assuming this one will be full for a while though, so I don't want to wait a few weeks, though perhaps a Sunday matinee will have lighter attendance.
 
2014-07-31 01:18:50 AM
So it's fascinating?
 
2014-07-31 01:56:46 AM
OFFS...

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?


Apparently our Dear Author is one of those cats who looks upon black and white, made with an iron clad studio system, and movies that couldn't show a bare ankle or people of any color OTHER than white getting ahead, with reverential nostalgia. And apparently missed Kurosawa, any of the Blind Swordsmen movies, or healthy doses of European cinema and how many damn cowboy flicks including Clint Eastwood's Spaghetti Westerns, or They Call Me Nobody. Let's not even touch base on Verhoeven or an entire raft of films from the early to mid eighties, or the rise of direct to video action flicks...

Of course, it's a film with a comic book mentality, it's a movie based on a frippin' comic book, you overthinking snobbish boor...
 
2014-07-31 02:10:47 AM

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?


Tex Avery
 
2014-07-31 02:51:41 AM

hubiestubert: OFFS...

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?

Apparently our Dear Author is one of those cats who looks upon black and white, made with an iron clad studio system, and movies that couldn't show a bare ankle or people of any color OTHER than white getting ahead, with reverential nostalgia. And apparently missed Kurosawa, any of the Blind Swordsmen movies, or healthy doses of European cinema and how many damn cowboy flicks including Clint Eastwood's Spaghetti Westerns, or They Call Me Nobody. Let's not even touch base on Verhoeven or an entire raft of films from the early to mid eighties, or the rise of direct to video action flicks... Lysistrata.


/edited or brevity
 
2014-07-31 02:56:32 AM
I realize that there's no way to mollify the devotees of the Marvel movie universe, who not only demand total box-office domination (which they're definitely going to get, at least this weekend) but also total toadying subservience to the tide of Irresistible Marvel Fun. First of all, it's not my job to make people feel better about liking something that is really, really popular. There are a whole lot of places you can get that, and honestly that desire for universal affirmation is kind of bizarre.

i.e. the Stop disliking what I like crowd

I'm saying that this amiable Robin Hood fable about a ragtag bunch of indestructible renegades who join forces to combat evil rests on an outrageously exaggerated version of teenage narcissism, and on deeply ingrained American-movie ideas about individuality and mortality and power and death.

i.e. manchildren
 
2014-07-31 02:57:18 AM
Oh, for fark's sake.... IT'S A MOVIE BASED ON A COMIC. Go find something else to be pissy about. I'd rather people watch that than any of the 'reality' shows that are endemic on TV. It's summer. People want to go to a nice air conditioned theater and escape from what's going on. Even more so at this moment.
 
2014-07-31 02:57:20 AM
To be frank, I've always been of the opinion that Andrew O'Hehir is a terrible movie reviewer. His column is not so much about the movies themselves rather than about however he interprets them against his own world view or whatever current event he is currently fixated on.

Plus, he liked the Amazing Spiderman 2. I mean - da fuq???
 
2014-07-31 03:01:31 AM
Salon sucks the big schlong.
 
2014-07-31 03:07:14 AM
Friendly fascism?

Wow, Salon guy is totally overthinking this.

It's a comic book movie. There is no collateral damage. I'ts all made up.

[Keep Calm and Go Get More Popcorn]
 
2014-07-31 03:11:17 AM

Ambivalence: And Star Trek was communist.

Or, you know, fiction.


You know what wasn't fiction? Link
 
2014-07-31 03:19:34 AM

Elegy: Salon sucks the big schlong.


Honestly, I think when Talbot left and Walsh took over, there was a bleeding out of actual talent at the magazine and a lot of the people who remained behind are/were flat out terrible. Heck, they used to have Garrison Keilor writing an advice column (which was brilliant) but after he resigned they replaced him with Cary Tennis who managed to stick around for like 12 freaking years before someone at Salon fired him.

That being said, Salon has ALWAYS had shiatty movie reviewers. O'Hehir isn't even the worst, if anyone remembers Stephanie Zacharek (who is now doing terrible injustices to films over at the Village Voice) she had some columns that made you wonder if she had even watched the same movie as you did.

Anyway, if I'm completely honest, I probably haven't enjoyed/followed a movie reviewer since Roger Ebert passed away.
 
2014-07-31 03:43:32 AM

Triumph: The last Captain America movie was libertarian.


Lulz. My first viewing(of three) was at a early screening a few weeks before it hit release. When we were all leaving, I overheard a woman biatching at her boyfriend about how the whole movie was right wing bullshiat jack-off material. I wanted to be all, 'biatch, it's farking Captain America, you don't need to over-analyze it.' Who the fark doubts Captain America? He's CAPTAIN AMERICA! Steve Rogers would die to protect just about anyfarkingone. Also, it's just a goddamned movie. I'm sure she frequents Jezebel.
 
2014-07-31 03:47:01 AM

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?


How about some Shakespeare?
 
2014-07-31 03:47:02 AM

TwistedFark: Anyway, if I'm completely honest, I probably haven't enjoyed/followed a movie reviewer since Roger Ebert passed away.


The great thing about Ebert was how he reviewed a movie on its own merits and not on how much he personally liked the genre.

He wouldn't review a horror move and then spend the review biatching about how stupid horror movies were and how it sucked because it was a horror movie. He wouldn't praise an experimental European arthouse film just for being an experimental European arthouse film, he'd judge it and the horror movie both on their own merits. He'd savage Dogville one week and praise Spider-Man 2 the next, despite the former being the "proper" critics film.

The ass in TFA needs to learn that farking lesson.
 
2014-07-31 04:14:22 AM

robohobo: Triumph: The last Captain America movie was libertarian.

Lulz. My first viewing(of three) was at a early screening a few weeks before it hit release. When we were all leaving, I overheard a woman biatching at her boyfriend about how the whole movie was right wing bullshiat jack-off material. I wanted to be all, 'biatch, it's farking Captain America, you don't need to over-analyze it.' Who the fark doubts Captain America? He's CAPTAIN AMERICA! Steve Rogers would die to protect just about anyfarkingone. Also, it's just a goddamned movie. I'm sure she frequents Jezebel.


If anything it was a criticism of America's war on terror. That's hardly rightwing.
 
2014-07-31 04:14:24 AM
Got to love a rambling article that starts with calling a. Movie fachist because of the violence the. Ends it with talking about wanting to run over one of the characters repeatedly with his SUV.
 
2014-07-31 04:32:53 AM

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: robohobo: Triumph: The last Captain America movie was libertarian.

Lulz. My first viewing(of three) was at a early screening a few weeks before it hit release. When we were all leaving, I overheard a woman biatching at her boyfriend about how the whole movie was right wing bullshiat jack-off material. I wanted to be all, 'biatch, it's farking Captain America, you don't need to over-analyze it.' Who the fark doubts Captain America? He's CAPTAIN AMERICA! Steve Rogers would die to protect just about anyfarkingone. Also, it's just a goddamned movie. I'm sure she frequents Jezebel.

If anything it was a criticism of America's war on terror. That's hardly rightwing.


I think she was just some overly political biatch looking to biatch, and also she may have wanted to see Divergent instead. Or something. I remember seeing Man of Steel. A dozen or so folks boo'd at Superman's line at the end where he mentioned being from Kansas, and was American as it gets. This was in a theatre in Kansas. Most of the place just laughed. Some people just take shiat way too seriously.
 
2014-07-31 04:35:59 AM

robohobo: Triumph: The last Captain America movie was libertarian.

Lulz. My first viewing(of three) was at a early screening a few weeks before it hit release. When we were all leaving, I overheard a woman biatching at her boyfriend about how the whole movie was right wing bullshiat jack-off material. I wanted to be all, 'biatch, it's farking Captain America, you don't need to over-analyze it.' Who the fark doubts Captain America? He's CAPTAIN AMERICA! Steve Rogers would die to protect just about anyfarkingone. Also, it's just a goddamned movie. I'm sure she frequents Jezebel.


There;s definitely something wrong with her, she started thinking right after Captain America movie
 
2014-07-31 05:03:20 AM

Mentat: Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism Groot.  At least it's an ethos.


Ferris: I do have a test today, that wasn't bullshiat. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So who gives a crap if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists, it still doesn't change the fact that I don't own a car.

I'm n
 
2014-07-31 05:07:53 AM

Summoner101: Mentat: Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism Groot.  At least it's an ethos.

Ferris: I do have a test today, that wasn't bullshiat. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So who gives a crap if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists, it still doesn't change the fact that I don't own a car.

I'm n


Son of a biatch, stupid mobile Fark.

What I meant was I'm not Groot, I will never be Groot, so why do I care if he's a National Socialist? He could be a Marxist Objectivist for all I care, it still doesn't change the fact I'm not having space adventures!
 
2014-07-31 05:11:23 AM
Stuff like this makes me wonder how they'd react to a Warhammer 40K movie.

/other than it would probably suck
 
2014-07-31 05:15:25 AM
And then there's Zoe Saldana, giving a game enough as a green-tinged alien Amazon who turns against her evil alien adopted dad because - well, I never really got that part, honestly. You have to wonder if she's going to get tired of playing hot science-fiction chicks with weirdly colored skin.

Ummm, Saldana's best known sci-fi role is Lt. Uhura. Did this clown actually fail to realize he's implying that Uhura has "weirdly colored" skin? Seriously... colored?? For someone so plainly in love with his Roget's Thesaurus, he's done an exceptionally poor job of choosing his words.
 
2014-07-31 05:19:03 AM

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?


I don't even consider superhero films to be violent. It's too campy to have the visceral pain of watching actual violence.
 
2014-07-31 05:19:08 AM

EdgeRunner: And then there's Zoe Saldana, giving a game enough as a green-tinged alien Amazon who turns against her evil alien adopted dad because - well, I never really got that part, honestly. You have to wonder if she's going to get tired of playing hot science-fiction chicks with weirdly colored skin.

Ummm, Saldana's best known sci-fi role is Lt. Uhura. Did this clown actually fail to realize he's implying that Uhura has "weirdly colored" skin? Seriously... colored?? For someone so plainly in love with his Roget's Thesaurus, he's done an exceptionally poor job of choosing his words.


He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?
 
2014-07-31 05:22:50 AM

EdgeRunner: And then there's Zoe Saldana, giving a game enough as a green-tinged alien Amazon who turns against her evil alien adopted dad because - well, I never really got that part, honestly. You have to wonder if she's going to get tired of playing hot science-fiction chicks with weirdly colored skin.

Ummm, Saldana's best known sci-fi role is Lt. Uhura. Did this clown actually fail to realize he's implying that Uhura has "weirdly colored" skin? Seriously... colored?? For someone so plainly in love with his Roget's Thesaurus, he's done an exceptionally poor job of choosing his words.


Meh. I think you're over analyzing a guy's over analysis. If this continues, Fark and Salon will collapse into a singularity of Jezebel and we'll all be in the worst science fiction film ever.
 
2014-07-31 05:25:48 AM

Rapmaster2000: EdgeRunner: And then there's Zoe Saldana, giving a game enough as a green-tinged alien Amazon who turns against her evil alien adopted dad because - well, I never really got that part, honestly. You have to wonder if she's going to get tired of playing hot science-fiction chicks with weirdly colored skin.

Ummm, Saldana's best known sci-fi role is Lt. Uhura. Did this clown actually fail to realize he's implying that Uhura has "weirdly colored" skin? Seriously... colored?? For someone so plainly in love with his Roget's Thesaurus, he's done an exceptionally poor job of choosing his words.

Meh. I think you're over analyzing a guy's over analysis. If this continues, Fark and Salon will collapse into a singularity of Jezebel and we'll all be in the worst science fiction film ever.


Rape culture!
/rapeity rape rape rape
//fat chicks
 
2014-07-31 05:31:22 AM

robohobo: He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?


From a biological standpoint, having an intelligent life form capable of photosynthesis is particularly useful. (why else would she be green?)
 
2014-07-31 05:31:24 AM
Is the tag for the review or the movie? I keed, both are ridiculous piles of shiat.
 
2014-07-31 05:35:12 AM

Ambivalence: robohobo: He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?

From a biological standpoint, having an intelligent life form capable of photosynthesis is particularly useful. (why else would she be green?)


Cause green chicks are hot? Also blue chicks. Red, not so much. Me, I'm a very-pale fan. I find tanned unattractive.
 
2014-07-31 05:37:46 AM

robohobo: EdgeRunner: And then there's Zoe Saldana, giving a game enough as a green-tinged alien Amazon who turns against her evil alien adopted dad because - well, I never really got that part, honestly. You have to wonder if she's going to get tired of playing hot science-fiction chicks with weirdly colored skin.

Ummm, Saldana's best known sci-fi role is Lt. Uhura. Did this clown actually fail to realize he's implying that Uhura has "weirdly colored" skin? Seriously... colored?? For someone so plainly in love with his Roget's Thesaurus, he's done an exceptionally poor job of choosing his words.

He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?


I get that he's referencing Avatar, but if Mr. Progressive is going to call out Saldana for her skin color in previous sci-fi performances, he needed to be very specific about exactly which roles (all two of them, and one of which was more of a voiceover) he's being snippy over. Since he didn't, I call double secret racism and firmly waggle the finger of shame at this man.

Shame upon you, sir! Shame shame shame!!!
 
2014-07-31 05:43:09 AM

robohobo: Cause green chicks are hot?


p1cdn02.thewrap.com
 
2014-07-31 05:48:00 AM

LewDux: robohobo: Cause green chicks are hot?

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Ha, no. They have to be pretty to begin with. The green just enhances. That broad is ugly with a huge ass like two Christmas hams pressed together.

No one does hot green women like Star Trek, Those are proper green women.
 
2014-07-31 05:53:35 AM
I can't tell who I'd be least likely to invite to a barbecue: the writer or some of those tools in the comments. Over there I mean, I wouldn't invite any of you to my house.

/A bar? Always. But not my house.
 
2014-07-31 05:57:47 AM

robohobo: Ambivalence: robohobo: He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?

From a biological standpoint, having an intelligent life form capable of photosynthesis is particularly useful. (why else would she be green?)

Cause green chicks are hot? Also blue chicks. Red, not so much. Me, I'm a very-pale fan. I find tanned unattractive.


Why do you hate Native Americans? How dare you say red skin is unattractive.
 
2014-07-31 06:01:38 AM

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: robohobo: Ambivalence: robohobo: He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?

From a biological standpoint, having an intelligent life form capable of photosynthesis is particularly useful. (why else would she be green?)

Cause green chicks are hot? Also blue chicks. Red, not so much. Me, I'm a very-pale fan. I find tanned unattractive.

Why do you hate Native Americans? How dare you say red skin is unattractive.


Well, there's like 4 of them left, so not exactly a wide selection.  I can't recall any attractive red-skinned pop-culture broads. Red She-Hulk?  Maybe a demon of some sort?
 
2014-07-31 06:13:12 AM
Hail Star-Lord?
 
2014-07-31 06:24:06 AM

batlock666: Heil Star-Lord?


FTFY for TFA author.
 
2014-07-31 07:16:36 AM

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: robohobo: Ambivalence: robohobo: He's referencing Avatar. Where she was blue. Perhaps implying she's more acceptable/desirable as blue or green rather than brown.

It's farking hilarious, whatever he really means. Just another social justice warrior biatching because a movie doesn't cater directly to his sensibilities. How DARE Gamorra be green! Greenwashing Hollywood--will it never end?

From a biological standpoint, having an intelligent life form capable of photosynthesis is particularly useful. (why else would she be green?)

Cause green chicks are hot? Also blue chicks. Red, not so much. Me, I'm a very-pale fan. I find tanned unattractive.

Why do you hate Native Americans? How dare you say red skinfootball team is unattractive.


FTFY
 
2014-07-31 07:37:31 AM
When did Salon and Tumblr become the same thing?
 
2014-07-31 07:37:42 AM
i1.wp.com
 
2014-07-31 07:39:26 AM
I see that there isn't a simple definition of fascism but Webster defines it as:

"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized government headed by a  leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

Seems the intellectual author of the article saw violence in the movie and remembered Hitler's ethnic and military policies and concluded violence equals fascism.  I really hate movie reviews where the point is the author trying to show how smart they are.  Anyone who has seen Tom and Jerry knows sanitized violence is not new. Did you enjoy the film, if so let us know why or why not.
 
2014-07-31 07:42:33 AM

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Once upon a time, the combination of lighthearted whimsy and extreme violence was nearly unknown in popular culture."

Seriously? When your opening sentence is so very wrong, I have no desire to keep going. What do they think Errol Flynn's entire career and James Bond films are?


Interesting to use the construction "Once upon a time" because that's a pretty good description of every single fairy tale in pop culture.
 
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