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(WFTV Orlando)   37 arrests in the last 30 days, 202 arrests since January, a man driving off with a officer hanging off his truck after shoplifting and another man dressed as a woman stealing 18 flat-screen TVs. Welcome to America's most dysfunctional Walmart   (wftv.com ) divider line
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2014-07-30 11:44:17 PM  
I'm surprised it's not the store down the street from here.
 
2014-07-30 11:44:26 PM  
Casselberry? That's in Seminole County. I would have thought such a Walmart would be in Polk, Pasco, or Hernando Counties.
 
2014-07-30 11:59:09 PM  
And it's in Florida because, of course it is.
 
2014-07-31 12:09:53 AM  
Never change, Florida Walmarts, never change.

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2014-07-31 12:13:25 AM  
The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

So the store gets to dictate how these cases are handled? How does that work?


Walmart could hire officers to do off-duty details at the store. Instead, police respond on an almost daily basis.

Oh I see, they COULD hire security but they'd rather have the cops handle it all the time.  Well, I guess you gotta keep those prices low, even if it means a drain on police resources and food stamps to keep your employees fed.
 
2014-07-31 02:15:57 AM  
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2014-07-31 03:36:03 AM  
Walmart costs taxpayers so much money we should get to vote on their decisions.
"Resolved, the Maple Lane Walmart should carry the Cappuccino Lays Potato Chips and fire Clovis the overnight cart-wrangler if he won't stop fiddlin'' with his pecker in the break room"
 
2014-07-31 04:26:43 AM  

fusillade762: The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

So the store gets to dictate how these cases are handled? How does that work?


Walmart could hire officers to do off-duty details at the store. Instead, police respond on an almost daily basis.

Oh I see, they COULD hire security but they'd rather have the cops handle it all the time.  Well, I guess you gotta keep those prices low, even if it means a drain on police resources and food stamps to keep your employees fed.


A big fat THIS on your first point.

On your second point, why should they? That's what police are for. I could see hiring security if they lose thousands per day to theft, but I didn't read the article, and don't really care.

However, I do take exception to the "keeping your employees feed" remark. That's the point of working: stay fed.
 
2014-07-31 04:27:56 AM  
The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

i.ytimg.com

DUE PROCESS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2014-07-31 04:42:00 AM  

fusillade762: The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

So the store gets to dictate how these cases are handled? How does that work?


Walmart could hire officers to do off-duty details at the store. Instead, police respond on an almost daily basis.

Oh I see, they COULD hire security but they'd rather have the cops handle it all the time.  Well, I guess you gotta keep those prices low, even if it means a drain on police resources and food stamps to keep your employees fed.


^^This
 
2014-07-31 04:49:49 AM  

Mister Buttons: fusillade762: The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

So the store gets to dictate how these cases are handled? How does that work?


Walmart could hire officers to do off-duty details at the store. Instead, police respond on an almost daily basis.

Oh I see, they COULD hire security but they'd rather have the cops handle it all the time.  Well, I guess you gotta keep those prices low, even if it means a drain on police resources and food stamps to keep your employees fed.

^^This


The way I see it, low prices are good. How is it a drain on police resources? If the criminals aren't at Walmart, they'll be somewhere else. Police are doing there jobs here, so how is it a drain? That's why we pay taxes. You'd really rather raise prices and cause poor people to lose jobs by hiring security at Walmart?
 
2014-07-31 05:05:55 AM  

Abacus9: However, I do take exception to the "keeping your employees feed" remark. That's the point of working: stay fed.


Except working at Walmart, then you still need food stamps to supplement your measly income to stay fed*, which I think was the point being made - basically that Walmart is finding ways to get the government to subsidize their profits by offloading costs of doing business onto government.

*obviously not every employee, but I seem to remember it was a surprisingly high percentage
 
2014-07-31 05:06:40 AM  
If Walmart allowed unionization; things would be different.
 
2014-07-31 05:10:15 AM  

xria: Abacus9: However, I do take exception to the "keeping your employees feed" remark. That's the point of working: stay fed.

Except working at Walmart, then you still need food stamps to supplement your measly income to stay fed*, which I think was the point being made - basically that Walmart is finding ways to get the government to subsidize their profits by offloading costs of doing business onto government.

*obviously not every employee, but I seem to remember it was a surprisingly high percentage


The article was about crime, and deteriorated into an anti-government rant. Ridiculous. It's a shame that people with low paying jobs get to eat, huh?
 
2014-07-31 05:14:43 AM  

yukichigai: The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

DUE PROCESS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!


So where do the police in your town take people who get arrested? You call your pappy to throw your bail from the library?
 
2014-07-31 05:17:52 AM  
I think this is the same Wal-Mart I used to hit up at 4am while going to school.
 
2014-07-31 05:24:26 AM  
They're looking at it backwards...

Shoplifting from Wal-Mart isn't bad, it's a way of showing respect for your fellow man.

The cashiers have less stress and the lines are shorter, so the customers are happier.

Heck, they should reward them, not arrest them.
 
2014-07-31 05:25:27 AM  
37 arrests in the last 30 days, 202 arrests since January, a man driving off with a officer hanging off his truck after shoplifting and another man dressed as a woman stealing 18 flat-screen TVs. Welcome to America's most dysfunctional Walmart

Subby's got a lot of nerve talking about other people's crimes while using the wrong article with a noun.

/DNRTFA
//nor the headline past that point
///ruined it for me
 
2014-07-31 05:37:27 AM  
Man that sounds like an oppurtunity for some great television. I can see it as a series like Cops. Awesome!
 
2014-07-31 05:50:10 AM  

gerbilpox: 37 arrests in the last 30 days, 202 arrests since January, a man driving off with a officer hanging off his truck after shoplifting and another man dressed as a woman stealing 18 flat-screen TVs. Welcome to America's most dysfunctional Walmart

Subby's got a lot of nerve talking about other people's crimes while using the wrong article with a noun.

/DNRTFA
//nor the headline past that point
///ruined it for me


Why is grammar so important to you, when you already understand the intended statement? This has always baffled me. Why the hell do you care about typos? Do you get annoyed with Chaucer for spelling things differently because he was born before modern English existed?
 
GBB
2014-07-31 05:51:37 AM  
Well, yet another story from my little corner of the world.

First thing I'd like to point out: if you watched the video, they got the location wrong.  Looks like someone took the address, plotted it on Google Maps and GM pointed to the wrong end of SR436.  That map points to a location that doesn't have a Walmart, and is about 2 cities away.

2nd, I'm pretty sure Casselberry PD was using an option provided by the county court that allowed them to issue Notices to Appear to certain shoplifting suspects in lieu of taking them to jail.  This option seems like it would be designed to free up the jail's workload by reducing intake by not having to process 1st time misdemeanor offenders.  Especially if Walmart has a track record of failing to follow through with prosecution (which would result in these 1st time offenders appearing as 1st time offenders the next time they offend).  It seems like now, CPD will go ahead and take them to jail and be done with it so it would show on their criminal history.  Presumably.

3rd, this Walmart has security in the form of aggressive loss prevention.  They will chase people down.  I don't know if they go hands-on, but they will chase people out of the store and down the street while calling 911.  I have no idea how this conforms with their internal policies.
 
2014-07-31 06:00:29 AM  

Abacus9: The way I see it, low prices are good. How is it a drain on police resources? If the criminals aren't at Walmart, they'll be somewhere else. Police are doing there jobs here, so how is it a drain? That's why we pay taxes. You'd really rather raise prices and cause poor people to lose jobs by hiring security at Walmart?


One could even argue that having criminal activity concentrated on one store is cost beneficial to the police. Faster response times, more likelihood of catching the person, more likelihood of securing a conviction.
 
2014-07-31 06:12:54 AM  

drxym: Abacus9: The way I see it, low prices are good. How is it a drain on police resources? If the criminals aren't at Walmart, they'll be somewhere else. Police are doing there jobs here, so how is it a drain? That's why we pay taxes. You'd really rather raise prices and cause poor people to lose jobs by hiring security at Walmart?

One could even argue that having criminal activity concentrated on one store is cost beneficial to the police. Faster response times, more likelihood of catching the person, more likelihood of securing a conviction.


Ok, that's a funny point, but I was being serious. Cops go where they're needed. If they have to go to WalMart, they will. If it's a small town, there are fewer people, and less need for security guards.
 
2014-07-31 06:32:53 AM  

Abacus9: xria: Abacus9: However, I do take exception to the "keeping your employees feed" remark. That's the point of working: stay fed.

Except working at Walmart, then you still need food stamps to supplement your measly income to stay fed*, which I think was the point being made - basically that Walmart is finding ways to get the government to subsidize their profits by offloading costs of doing business onto government.

*obviously not every employee, but I seem to remember it was a surprisingly high percentage

The article was about crime, and deteriorated into an anti-government rant. Ridiculous. It's a shame that people with low paying jobs get to eat, huh?


How did you get anti-government from that?  Not being able to live working at Walmart without food stamps is anti-Walmart.  Walmart subsidizing their profits by offloading costs onto government is anti-Walmart.  You know, the same talking points against how Walmart does business for years now.  I've seen places around here shut down because of too many police calls.  I guess the bar is higher for Florida.
 
2014-07-31 06:33:00 AM  
I don't think crime is any worse at this walmart than any other. The difference is that this walmart is doing something about it instead of ignoring it. People steal from every single walmart in the country every single day.

The news people have it backwards. This walmart isn't any more dangerous than any other walmart unless you're a thief.
 
2014-07-31 06:37:17 AM  
How long before WalWars premieres on the History channel?
 
2014-07-31 06:52:34 AM  
Is averaging an arrest a day really that unusual for something that's a general store (something that attracts some crime, statistically) and open 24 hours a day (attracts a LOT of crime, statistically)?  Especially in a large metropolitan area with lots of drunks and homeless people wandering around in certain hours.
 
2014-07-31 06:55:04 AM  

Abacus9: drxym: Abacus9: The way I see it, low prices are good. How is it a drain on police resources? If the criminals aren't at Walmart, they'll be somewhere else. Police are doing there jobs here, so how is it a drain? That's why we pay taxes. You'd really rather raise prices and cause poor people to lose jobs by hiring security at Walmart?

One could even argue that having criminal activity concentrated on one store is cost beneficial to the police. Faster response times, more likelihood of catching the person, more likelihood of securing a conviction.

Ok, that's a funny point, but I was being serious. Cops go where they're needed. If they have to go to WalMart, they will. If it's a small town, there are fewer people, and less need for security guards.


Your words make no sense, yet they are intriguing to me. I wish to subscribe to your gibberish.
 
2014-07-31 07:10:48 AM  
Earlier this year, a man dressed as a woman stole 18 flat-screen TVs from the store.

All at once? What would make you think no one would notice that?
 
2014-07-31 07:23:49 AM  
This has really got to be the one on 436/semoran. I'd be shocked if casselberry is worse
 
2014-07-31 07:29:43 AM  

Abacus9: Police are doing there jobs here


Isn't that like dividing by zero?
 
2014-07-31 07:46:45 AM  

Malky: Abacus9: xria: Abacus9: However, I do take exception to the "keeping your employees feed" remark. That's the point of working: stay fed.

Except working at Walmart, then you still need food stamps to supplement your measly income to stay fed*, which I think was the point being made - basically that Walmart is finding ways to get the government to subsidize their profits by offloading costs of doing business onto government.

*obviously not every employee, but I seem to remember it was a surprisingly high percentage

The article was about crime, and deteriorated into an anti-government rant. Ridiculous. It's a shame that people with low paying jobs get to eat, huh?

How did you get anti-government from that?  Not being able to live working at Walmart without food stamps is anti-Walmart.  Walmart subsidizing their profits by offloading costs onto government is anti-Walmart.  You know, the same talking points against how Walmart does business for years now.  I've seen places around here shut down because of too many police calls.  I guess the bar is higher for Florida.


After a short spike in gun crime in one of the local Walmarts, the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office and the city passed an ordinance to ensure that it's closed to the public from Midnight to 6 AM.
 
2014-07-31 08:00:03 AM  

fusillade762: The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

So the store gets to dictate how these cases are handled? How does that work?


You would go to Walmart jail, which would be like Idiocracy jail.
 
2014-07-31 08:21:51 AM  

AirForceVet: Casselberry? That's in Seminole County. I would have thought such a Walmart would be in Polk, Pasco, or Hernando Counties.


Well, UCF is nearby.....but it's more likely all the Central American gang members who live near Downtown Whorlando
 
2014-07-31 08:34:31 AM  
I have a question that is unrelated but I am not sure what to do.

My town sent an officer to the 4th of July firework display armed with something other than his sidearm (an semi/automatic rifle of some sort) and a few bomb sniffing dogs.  The town has next to no crime and I thought the show of force (or whatever) was a bit excessive so I wrote an email to the deputy sheriff of the police explaining who I was, what happened (the office also search an 8-10 year old girls bag and asked what was in my sons sippy cup), and asked if there was a reason they decided to send the officer armed like that and the dogs to what a fun town event.  He responded, "who is sending this."  I explained I was a home owner and reexplained my concern.  I told him I wasnt a reporter and I was just concerned because it made my family and our guests uneasy.  I recently moved to the town so I was wondering if there was something in the towns past that brought them to the decision and if the town's citizens were consulted before it was made.  I went on to tell him if there was a legitimate reason he can disregard my message and thanks for the service and all that.  He replied saying he was on vacation and requested my phone number so he could get in touch with me when he gets back on Monday.

Should I be concerned that he has yet to answer any questions and is just requesting person information?

I am not trying to start shiat, I just want to let them know that not everyone feels safer because of the increased presence and show of force.

/and let me know if it is stupid and I should drop it now
 
2014-07-31 08:38:53 AM  

Abacus9: drxym: Abacus9: The way I see it, low prices are good. How is it a drain on police resources? If the criminals aren't at Walmart, they'll be somewhere else. Police are doing there jobs here, so how is it a drain? That's why we pay taxes. You'd really rather raise prices and cause poor people to lose jobs by hiring security at Walmart?

One could even argue that having criminal activity concentrated on one store is cost beneficial to the police. Faster response times, more likelihood of catching the person, more likelihood of securing a conviction.

Ok, that's a funny point, but I was being serious. Cops go where they're needed. If they have to go to WalMart, they will. If it's a small town, there are fewer people, and less need for security guards.


There are places where a tenant can be evicted if a 911 police call is made for an address 3 times (Municipal law, not lease agreement language). There are places where liquor licenses can be pulled or overnight closures enforced for Qwik-E-Mart type businesses that receive too many police response calls.
In all of these situations the excuse is that multiple calls "are a drain on police resources, are a drain on the city resources." How is this different? If Walmart calls are a set percentage of daily or weekly police response calls, then how is it not a drain on police resources? Are other crimes (large and small) around town getting less attention because Walmart relies upon the police instead of supplementing with security guards?
 
2014-07-31 08:50:27 AM  
Gunny Highway:/and let me know if it is stupid and I should drop it now

Too late, but not to worry. Move your antitank barriers from the backyard to the front yard before Monday, just to prevent misunderstandings.
 
2014-07-31 08:52:31 AM  
Not only do people have to subsidize their workers wages with food stamps and other social services they have to pay for the police to be Walmart's security. You're just being negligent with your shiat if some guy can  get his hands on 18 tvs to steal.
 
2014-07-31 08:57:50 AM  

AirForceVet: Casselberry? That's in Seminole County. I would have thought such a Walmart would be in Polk, Pasco, or Hernando Counties.


I expected it to be my former one in Hernando actually.
 
2014-07-31 09:04:56 AM  
Welcome to America's most dysfunctional Walmart.  Every one of them is a shoplifter's Mecca.
 
2014-07-31 09:11:07 AM  
A security guard doesn't have the authority to take someone to jail and incarcerate them.  They only have the ability to detain someone until law enforcement arrives and then law enforcement takes the person, places them under arrest and takes them to jail.  So a security guard only adds a visible presence that is meant to deter crime.  I think most criminals are aware that all walmart employees are constantly on the look out for shop lifters, so in essence, all employees are security guards/loss prevention specialists.  So, what is hiring another person with a different uniform going to add to the mix exactly except putting another link in the chain?  The end result is still going to include the police coming to wrap up their end.  It's just an added cost the way I see it to have a security guard there.
 
2014-07-31 09:16:37 AM  
Nice spell check there news team:
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2014-07-31 09:18:16 AM  

AirForceVet: Casselberry? That's in Seminole County. I would have thought such a Walmart would be in Polk, Pasco, or Hernando Counties.


I was expecting the Westside Mal*Wart over off Lem Turner or 103rd Street in Jacksuckvile. A murder a day guaranteed or your money back!
 
2014-07-31 09:19:50 AM  

fusillade762: The store now has a zero-tolerance policy. Instead of being given a court date, anyone caught shoplifting will go to jail.

So the store gets to dictate how these cases are handled? How does that work?


It's called pressing charges, even for petty items.
 
2014-07-31 09:20:43 AM  
A Walmart spokesman told Channel 9 that the unusual number of arrests prove that their efforts to thwart crime are working.

Not if people are STILL doing it, you asshole.
 
2014-07-31 09:27:25 AM  

johnboy2978: Nice spell check there news team:
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whoa the Walmart is on "See Moran Boulevard"  no wonder they need to get a brain.
 
2014-07-31 09:34:04 AM  
And knowing how cheap Walmart is, and how they like to cut corners, here's who'll most likely be doing security and chasing down the criminals:

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-07-31 09:36:25 AM  
Probably why this Wal-mart is getting agressive on "shoplifting," is it is tied to the manager's bonus, to limit leakage.  My son worked at a Wal-Mart while attending college.  Their electronics department lost $250,000.00 a year due to shoplifting and employee theft.  If management can limit shoplifting it will increase their bonuses.  Apparently it is huge problem at this particular Wal-Mart.
 
2014-07-31 09:46:49 AM  
That's the kind of walwart when you're walking down the isle and a herd of goats crosses your path you don't bat an eye or you see an illegal cock fight in process?  Just move along, that's normal.
 
2014-07-31 09:47:18 AM  

johnboy2978: Nice spell check there news team:
[img.fark.net image 621x431]


Par for the course, it seems.  The entire article read like some journalism student's notebook entries for an investigative reporting assignment.
 
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