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(Yahoo)   Given the state's terrible economy, failing schools, looming budget deficits, Kansas Democrats think they have hit upon a winning message to re-take the Governor mansion this fall: "We TOLD you this was gonna happen"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 211
    More: PSA, Sam Brownback, Democrats, Kansas, Kansas Secretary of State, Kansas House, kansans, House Minority Leader, tax collections  
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2014-07-30 12:10:50 PM  
At this point, what the fark else do you say? "Hey, things suck because these assholes are in charge and we've been disagreeing with them from the start" seems to be a reasonable tactic.
 
2014-07-30 12:43:26 PM  
I know it means people will get hurt, but we'll be much better off in the long run if we let this little project continue until Kansas is nothing but a smoking burn mark on the prairie. If we stop now, people in other states are just going to claim we pulled the plug on Kansas right before it was going to start working.
 
2014-07-30 01:02:49 PM  
Kansas...The Alabama of the prairie.
 
2014-07-30 01:04:27 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I know it means people will get hurt, but we'll be much better off in the long run if we let this little project continue until Kansas is nothing but a smoking burn mark on the prairie. If we stop now, people in other states are just going to claim we pulled the plug on Kansas right before it was going to start working.


Hell Gov Brownback's people are saying that NOW.   That sure the state's economy is collapsing around their ears but we just have to give their ideas TIME to work and you'll see them magically transform the state, nobody promised good things would happen overnight after all (except that is exactly what Brownback DID  promise)
 
2014-07-30 01:10:24 PM  
"Remember how I said sticking your hand on a stovetop would hurt?"
"Yes."
"Did it hurt?"
"Yes."
"Are you going to do it again?"
"Yes. I have to stick it to the libs."
 
2014-07-30 02:06:54 PM  
The Laffer curve does not work that way.
 
2014-07-30 02:15:06 PM  
I don't have high hopes with this working on the common clay of the New West but if it does...I fully endorse this as the running slogan of all democrats for the next 20 years

"Hey, we let them be in charge, DO YOU F*CKING REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!"
 
2014-07-30 02:17:03 PM  

somedude210: "Hey, we let them be in charge, DO YOU F*CKING REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!"


If memory of 1929 serves... no, no they do not.
 
2014-07-30 02:30:41 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Kansas...The Alabama of the prairie.


Nebraska's Mexico
 
2014-07-30 02:30:42 PM  

SilentStrider: "Remember how I said sticking your hand on a stovetop would hurt?"
"Yes."
"Did it hurt?"
"Yes."
"Are you going to do it again?"
"Yes. I have to stick it to the libs, now excuse me while I roll coal!"



fcdn.mtbr.com
 
2014-07-30 02:32:49 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Kansas...The Alabama of the prairie.


Hey, their ancestors came across the prairie and fought Indians, fought drought, fought locusts, fought dicks...
 
2014-07-30 02:33:00 PM  
img84.imageshack.us
"Shana, they cast their votes, they knew what they were getting into.  I say, let 'em crash"
/DNC Policy meeting minutes
 
2014-07-30 03:10:55 PM  
I'd like to submit the following slogans:

"There's no such thing as a free lunch, why do Republicans believe in free government?"

"Do you like clean air, clean water, firefighters, and police? Then help pay for them."

"We've seen what happens when a government tries collecting no taxes. Let's try the other way for a bit."
 
2014-07-30 03:36:09 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I know it means people will get hurt, but we'll be much better off in the long run if we let this little project continue until Kansas is nothing but a smoking burn mark on the prairie. If we stop now, people in other states are just going to claim we pulled the plug on Kansas right before it was going to start working.

 
2014-07-30 03:37:59 PM  
Heh... "Red State Model"

Another example of why I'm glad I live in Massachusetts.
 
2014-07-30 03:40:03 PM  

UberDave: Sin_City_Superhero: Kansas...The Alabama of the prairie.

Hey, their ancestors came across the prairie and fought Indians, fought drought, fought locusts, fought dicks...


How do you fight drought?

Pray for rain?
 
2014-07-30 03:40:57 PM  

SilentStrider: "Remember how I said sticking your hand on a stovetop would hurt?"
"Yes."
"Did it hurt?"
"Yes."
"Are you going to do it again?"
"Yes. I have to stick it to the libs. This time it will be different.  Libs are always wrong."


Hell, what's the little story about people going to TotalFark for advice?
 
2014-07-30 03:41:21 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I know it means people will get hurt, but we'll be much better off in the long run if we let this little project continue until Kansas is nothing but a smoking burn mark on the prairie. If we stop now, people in other states are just going to claim we pulled the plug on Kansas right before it was going to start working.


Whole lot of this....a good 8 to 12 yrs of scorched earth policies is the only way people learn. And even then most dont.  Wisconsin will learn this too and probably New Jersey as well. I work with a bunch of people from Jersey. Most are lib as lib can be but LOVE Christie because he has a real Jersey attitude to dealing with problems. Me: you mean not keeping pension promises and huge budget deficits. Them: Well....we can just raise the gas tax, tolls, sales tax, beach tags price, etc...but not our income tax! Those other taxes dont affect us.
 
2014-07-30 03:42:21 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Oh gosh. You know, I'm not much on speeches, but it's so gratifying to... leave you wallowing in the mess you've made. You're screwed, thank you, bye.
 
2014-07-30 03:43:02 PM  
The stupidity crept over to Missouri and our legislature also enacted income tax cuts we don't need. When you're already a low-tax state, cutting taxes more won't magically create jobs or bring in more revenue. Now they want to increase sales tax to pay for roads, which only serves to hit the poor and middle class harder. Classic GOP move right there.

i47.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-30 03:45:36 PM  

fenianfark: The stupidity crept over to Missouri and our legislature also enacted income tax cuts we don't need. When you're already a low-tax state, cutting taxes more won't magically create jobs or bring in more revenue. Now they want to increase sales tax to pay for roads, which only serves to hit the poor and middle class harder. Classic GOP move right there.

[i47.photobucket.com image 560x464]



I love how the sunflower kind of looks like an asshole in that illustration...
 
2014-07-30 03:46:06 PM  

nmrsnr: I'd like to submit the following slogans:

"There's no such thing as a free lunch, why do Republicans believe in free government?"

"Do you like clean air, clean water, firefighters, and police? Then help pay for them."

"We've seen what happens when a government tries collecting no taxes. Let's try the other way for a bit."


Don't mention taxes, that what led these guys to get to the point of destroying Kansas.  Just tell the people that you'd like to bring back a functional government capable of providing people with the level of service they used to expect.
 
2014-07-30 03:46:23 PM  
Let me say this again for clarity:

TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK
TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK
TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK
TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK
TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK
 
2014-07-30 03:50:02 PM  
The Davis camp reported receiving $1.12 million from January through July 24, while Brownback received $744,000 in contributions.

Someone is running against Brownback in Kansas and he's outperforming him in campaign cash?

...showed Davis ahead of Brownback, 48 percent to 40 percent, with a margin of error of 2.9 percent.

And he's out-polling him?

So who is this guy? Some fresh new teatard upstart who's even derpier than Brownback?

 42-year-old Democratic nominee for governor in Kansas,

A Dem?

In Kansas?

*pinches self*

Ouchie.

Sure, why not?
 
2014-07-30 03:52:35 PM  
Is the campaign manager named  Cassandra?
 
2014-07-30 03:52:49 PM  

keylock71: fenianfark: The stupidity crept over to Missouri and our legislature also enacted income tax cuts we don't need. When you're already a low-tax state, cutting taxes more won't magically create jobs or bring in more revenue. Now they want to increase sales tax to pay for roads, which only serves to hit the poor and middle class harder. Classic GOP move right there.

[i47.photobucket.com image 560x464]


I love how the sunflower kind of looks like an asshole in that illustration...


Um...you see assholes with petals in your daily life?  Tell us more.
 
2014-07-30 03:52:58 PM  
What we need is for all the old farks to die in this state and the younger generation of sensible adults to take over.

/ah fark it, I'm moving to Idaho.
 
2014-07-30 03:55:06 PM  
Same here in NC.   And even when the individual counties agree to raise their own taxes to pay for schools and infrastructure (after the McCrory administration gutted both and has driven out the most experienced, educated, and qualified teachers), the State legislature blocks them from doing so:

http://www.govexec.com/state-local/2014/07/north-carolina-senate-coun t y-sales-tax-mecklenburg/89078/">http://www.govexec.com/state-local/20 14/07/north-carolina-senate-count y-sales-tax-mecklenburg/89078/

It's gotten so bad that other states are holding job fairs to lure away NC teachers for as little as $10-15k more per year.
 
2014-07-30 03:56:40 PM  

quatchi: The Davis camp reported receiving $1.12 million from January through July 24, while Brownback received $744,000 in contributions.

Someone is running against Brownback in Kansas and he's outperforming him in campaign cash?

...showed Davis ahead of Brownback, 48 percent to 40 percent, with a margin of error of 2.9 percent.

And he's out-polling him?

So who is this guy? Some fresh new teatard upstart who's even derpier than Brownback?

 42-year-old Democratic nominee for governor in Kansas,

A Dem?

In Kansas?

*pinches self*

Ouchie.

Sure, why not?


Before Brownback, the previous two elections fave the governor's seat to a Dem.
 
2014-07-30 03:57:19 PM  

quatchi: The Davis camp reported receiving $1.12 million from January through July 24, while Brownback received $744,000 in contributions.

Someone is running against Brownback in Kansas and he's outperforming him in campaign cash?

...showed Davis ahead of Brownback, 48 percent to 40 percent, with a margin of error of 2.9 percent.

And he's out-polling him?

So who is this guy? Some fresh new teatard upstart who's even derpier than Brownback?

 42-year-old Democratic nominee for governor in Kansas,

A Dem?

In Kansas?

*pinches self*

Ouchie.

Sure, why not?


Um... Sebelius was governor there not too long ago.
 
2014-07-30 03:57:25 PM  

keylock71: Heh... "Red State Model"

Another example of why I'm glad I live in Massachusetts.


Honestly though, I have found that the absolute best place to live is in a wealthy/more liberal enclave inside of a large bucket of Red derp. The KC suburbs are great. Top tier public schools, some of the best roads in the nation, plenty of green space etc.

Sure the rest of the state is going to hell, but my state taxes are fairly low. I am pissed that doctors and lawyers now pay zero state income tax, but I'm much better off* than someplace with high taxes like Mass or my home state of MD.

*better off in the short run, I'm not sure when this train will crash*

Bonus points when I argue with republicans about the Tea Party is that I can personally attest that they are full of shiat. Those tards run the state and I've yet to see any libertarian reforms. I can only buy low alcohol beer in a grocery store and until recently happy hours were illegal.
 
2014-07-30 03:58:18 PM  

LazarusLong42: Before Brownback, the previous two elections gave the governor's seat to a Dem.


I did not know that. Well, let's hope Kansas does not choose poorly this time around.
 
2014-07-30 03:58:59 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Don't mention taxes, that what led these guys to get to the point of destroying Kansas. Just tell the people that you'd like to bring back a functional government capable of providing people with the level of service they used to expect.


I disagree. I think treating taxes like an evil horrible thing is exactly the problem. Republicans actually kind have a double-think attitude towards taxes, by trying to avoid them at all costs, yet saying that the "47%" who don't pay federal income taxes are moochers who aren't really as American as those who do. I think the second part should be built on. Point to things that taxes make: Highways, bridges, the Internet, NASA. Say "we did this, we all played our part." Make paying for the great things a point of pride in country and in self.

If taxes are always bad, then Republlicans will always have an upper hand by arguing for less taxes. By saying that taxes are useful, you can maybe change the narrative to what taxes are for, instead of about the tax rate itself.
 
2014-07-30 03:59:20 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I know it means people will get hurt, but we'll be much better off in the long run if we let this little project continue until Kansas is nothing but a smoking burn mark on the prairie. If we stop now, people in other states are just going to claim we pulled the plug on Kansas right before it was going to start working.


The problem is that you're fighting against their short attention spans.  If you give them another election cycle, it switches from "Brownback really farked things up" to "This is the way things have always been.  Farking libs."
 
2014-07-30 03:59:39 PM  

Schmerd1948: keylock71: fenianfark: The stupidity crept over to Missouri and our legislature also enacted income tax cuts we don't need. When you're already a low-tax state, cutting taxes more won't magically create jobs or bring in more revenue. Now they want to increase sales tax to pay for roads, which only serves to hit the poor and middle class harder. Classic GOP move right there.

[i47.photobucket.com image 560x464]


I love how the sunflower kind of looks like an asshole in that illustration...

Um...you see assholes with petals in your daily life?  Tell us more.


I lead a strange life... : )

"Kind of" being the operative words in that post, I suppose.
 
2014-07-30 03:59:56 PM  
Whatever...Pat Roberts is probably going to get primaried for not being conservative enough. The Derp in this state is taller than the corn grows. This Davis thing is nice to dream about and all, but when voting day eventually comes around, it's going to be Brownback by double digits.
 
2014-07-30 04:01:31 PM  

walkerhound: What we need is for all the old farks to die in this state and the younger generation of sensible adults to take over.


From your mouth to Indiana's ear.
 
2014-07-30 04:01:43 PM  

capn' fun: Same here in NC.   And even when the individual counties agree to raise their own taxes to pay for schools and infrastructure (after the McCrory administration gutted both and has driven out the most experienced, educated, and qualified teachers), the State legislature blocks them from doing so:

http://www.govexec.com/state-local/2014/07/north-carolina-senate-coun t y-sales-tax-mecklenburg/89078/">http://www.govexec.com/state-local/20 14/07/north-carolina-senate-count y-sales-tax-mecklenburg/89078/

It's gotten so bad that other states are holding job fairs to lure away NC teachers for as little as $10-15k more per year.


Friend of mine in WI is a teacher with 13 years of experience in teaching kids with ADD/ADHD as well as normal kids in grades 6-8. With the cuts lately he applied at schools in WA and MN and was getting offers of 20k more a year. He's waiting for this election to see if his family should move or not.
 
2014-07-30 04:02:00 PM  
Kansans have been voting against their own self interests for more than a generation. There's no reason to think they'll change now.
 
2014-07-30 04:02:06 PM  

keylock71: Heh... "Red State Model"

Another example of why I'm glad I live in Massachusetts.


What a "red state model" might look like:
static.tvgcdn.net
 
2014-07-30 04:04:58 PM  
Sounds viable to me. I mean, seeing as how they were right about everything, it sort of makes sense that they'd make that a talking point.
 
2014-07-30 04:05:11 PM  

nmrsnr: I think the second part should be built on.


To clarify, I don't think that if you are too poor to owe federal income tax you should be maligned. I meant building on the sense of worth and pride in contributing to public works inherent in the argument that paying your taxes makes you somehow better.
 
2014-07-30 04:05:23 PM  
Dr Dreidel:
 What a "red state model" might look like:

[static.tvgcdn.net image 495x350]


You don't know me!
 
2014-07-30 04:06:47 PM  

jayhawk88: Whatever...Pat Roberts is probably going to get primaried for not being conservative enough. The Derp in this state is taller than the corn grows. This Davis thing is nice to dream about and all, but when voting day eventually comes around, it's going to be Brownback by double digits.


I really don't know if Pat Roberts will get primaried. He's still leading Wolfbama in the polls I've seen by 20 points. That's a huge gap to make up in a week. As for Brownback, I don't think he'll win by double digits, but I do think he's still going to win. I desperately hope I'm wrong though, or my donations to Davis are going to shiat.
 
2014-07-30 04:07:08 PM  

Schmerd1948: keylock71: fenianfark: The stupidity crept over to Missouri and our legislature also enacted income tax cuts we don't need. When you're already a low-tax state, cutting taxes more won't magically create jobs or bring in more revenue. Now they want to increase sales tax to pay for roads, which only serves to hit the poor and middle class harder. Classic GOP move right there.

[i47.photobucket.com image 560x464]


I love how the sunflower kind of looks like an asshole in that illustration...

Um...you see assholes with petals in your daily life?  Tell us more.


PNSFW
 
2014-07-30 04:08:24 PM  
I was watching Bill Maher the other day and they had some token GOP guy  going about how the Kansas fail isn't a real fail... we just haven't given times for these economic policies to work. He said this minutes after he was biatching about how Obama's economic recovery was so slow.
 
2014-07-30 04:09:35 PM  

quatchi: LazarusLong42: Before Brownback, the previous two elections gave the governor's seat to a Dem.

I did not know that. Well, let's hope Kansas does not choose poorly this time around.


Also chose poorly.

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-30 04:10:04 PM  
This is all Obama's fault.  Checkmate libs!
 
2014-07-30 04:10:22 PM  
One of the general advantages of having an extreme philosophy/plan is that it is never put into practice so you can never be called wrong.

When it inevitably does fail the proponents of these philosophies generally devolve into arguments of "we're not following the philosophy rigidly enough", "it just needs more time", or in the case of Soviet-style communism "we're being undermined from within".
 
2014-07-30 04:11:10 PM  
If Davis wins the next thing the GOP will complain about is that within a short period of time is that he hasn't completely fixed the mess Brownback caused fast enough.
 
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