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(io9)   The Dragonriders of Pern movie that was on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, may be on again   (io9.com) divider line 70
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2014-07-30 08:15:59 AM  
This thread will be about Thread, get it?
 
2014-07-30 09:43:07 AM  
So it's in between?
 
2014-07-30 10:36:25 AM  
Schrödinger's Dragon.
 
2014-07-30 11:06:42 AM  
Seriously cool. CGI and whatnot has advanced to the point where it could bring the books to life.

But who would be cast as Lessa?

Really not a sci-fi or fantasy fan, but I do love the Pern series.
 
2014-07-30 11:07:42 AM  
That's nice. I'm waiting for news on  Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell or the Bartimaeus Trilogy.
 
2014-07-30 11:11:17 AM  
I always thought Dragonriders of Pern might make a good anime.  Psychic dragons and riders fighting alien spores in a feudal setting.  It seems like the kind of thing the Japanese would go for.
 
2014-07-30 11:11:40 AM  
So, gang-bangs?
 
2014-07-30 11:12:14 AM  
A sci-fi feudal society on a future world far from Earth?  I guess it's not that far from GoT.

Dragons mating means their human riders also mate.. they can't help themselves.
 
2014-07-30 11:13:10 AM  
Go on....
 
2014-07-30 11:19:04 AM  
So yeah, this might have interested me 35 years ago, now, not so much.
 
2014-07-30 11:19:28 AM  
Never read the Pern series.  I was always under the impression it was geared toward girls.  Not so?
 
2014-07-30 11:19:33 AM  
I'm still waiting for the follow up to The Golden Compass.
 
2014-07-30 11:21:19 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Never read the Pern series.  I was always under the impression it was geared toward girls.  Not so?


Not really.

It's probably as close as you can get to hard science fiction with dragons.
 
2014-07-30 11:23:25 AM  
That's okay. I guess. Let me know when Peter Jackson gets started on the Temeraire series that he optioned.
 
2014-07-30 11:23:49 AM  

Wellon Dowd: That's nice. I'm waiting for news on  Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell or the Bartimaeus Trilogy.


I don't know, I feel like a lot of what made Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell so good was very specific to the way it was written. That's not really going to be translateable to a screen adaptation.

I'm down for a Bartimaeous movie, though. The footnotes were fun in that, too, but I feel like they weren't as integral to the storytelling from an adaptation perspective.
 
2014-07-30 11:30:30 AM  
I'm kind of surprised they haven't also looked at this series from her:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-07-30 11:32:03 AM  

devilEther: I'm still waiting for the follow up to The Golden Compass.


I seriously doubt that will ever happen. New Line Cinema thought they had another Harry Potter or Narnia series on their hands. Instead, they took Phillip Pullman's remarkable, deeply layered story and turned it into a miserable wet fart of a movie. And this is from someone who loved the trilogy, couldn't wait for the movie, thought all the right castings had been made (with the possible exception of the child actress who played Lyra), and was certain that CGI would be up to the challenge of rendering daemons and Iorek Byrnisson onscreen in all their animalistic glory. Instead we got this putrid abortion that in no way resembled The Northern Lights/Golden Compass novel...godawful pacing, butchered story, horrible expository dialogue, bad CGI (daemons and armored bears were  out-of-focus and/or fake-looking)...just awful on every level.
 
2014-07-30 11:36:40 AM  
The Crystal Singer series is way better. There, I said it.
 
2014-07-30 11:37:08 AM  

Delta1212: I don't know, I feel like a lot of what made Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell so good was very specific to the way it was written. That's not really going to be translateable to a screen adaptation.


That's true. It seemed like it was written in the Napoleonic Era, not just set in that time.
 
2014-07-30 11:38:52 AM  

Nogale: But who would be cast as Lessa?


One of the only times casting a waif as the badass leader makes sense.
 
2014-07-30 11:39:55 AM  

Wellon Dowd: That's nice. I'm waiting for news on  Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell or the Bartimaeus Trilogy.


"Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell" was one of the few books I couldn't finish reading.  Why were there footnotes that went on for several pages?!
 
2014-07-30 11:41:36 AM  

KatjaMouse: Nogale: But who would be cast as Lessa?

One of the only times casting a waif as the badass leader makes sense.


True that.
 
2014-07-30 11:46:06 AM  
I've started Pern books several times and never managed to get into them.

I like several of the other series by the same author just fine. The Brain and Brawn series, Talent series, and Crystal Singer series are all quite good. Sometimes it works out funny that way.
 
2014-07-30 11:46:13 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: This thread will be about Thread, get it?


grokca: So it's in between?


media.giphy.com
 
2014-07-30 11:51:36 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Never read the Pern series.  I was always under the impression it was geared toward girls.  Not so?


I think because the original trilogy and then the first prequel and an additional trilogy about a musician revolved around strong, young female characters in leadership positions. Then there were the also the relationships between women that would absolutely pass the Bechdale test if put to film. And, of course, the heroines are always better than the whiney-ass b*tches McAffery tended to surround them with.
 
2014-07-30 11:51:37 AM  

Alphax: KatjaMouse: Nogale: But who would be cast as Lessa?

One of the only times casting a waif as the badass leader makes sense.

True that.


scarina.files.wordpress.com
Thread mostly comes at night... mostly.

/Okay, so she's blonde, and not black-haired.
//And much older now.
 
2014-07-30 11:53:08 AM  

Snarfangel: /Okay, so she's blonde, and not black-haired.


Jennifer Lawrence taught us that you can dye a blonde dark as long as she can carry the role.
 
2014-07-30 12:04:10 PM  
I'm cool with it as long as they do them in the order they were published. I would hate to see the dragon origins first.

/Don't forget the Dragon-sex
 
2014-07-30 12:05:53 PM  

ClintBartonWannabe: I'm cool with it as long as they do them in the order they were published. I would hate to see the dragon origins first.

/Don't forget the Dragon-sex



The Dragonriders of Porn.
 
2014-07-30 12:20:08 PM  

Alphax: Not really.

It's probably as close as you can get to hard science fiction with dragons.


Eh...

I know that the later books supposedly get into the sciency aspects of how the dragons came to be and all that.  But, in the first few books you have dragons.  That are psychic.  And teleport by going into some extra dimension.  Oh, and the dragons fight aliens that rain from the sky.

That's not really hard science fiction.

I actually liked the whole feudal society+dragons thing and thought that McCaffrey was a reasonably good author.  I just couldn't suspend my disbelief enough once you got into the whole psychic, teleporting dragons fighting space aliens phase of the first few books.  I like fantasy, but you can't throw too much crazy crap into it at once.
 
2014-07-30 12:55:18 PM  
Somehow I can't manage to work up any giva-a-damn on this. Burned out on the books when I was younger. Between the Riders, Drummers, and Singers books I felt like I'd fallen into some sort of Steven R. Donaldson hell.
 
2014-07-30 01:08:48 PM  
Given the history of this project I'm sorry to say, but chances are it's going to suck. Plus, just like every other movie based on a novel, or series of novels in this case, the fanboy butthurt will be over the top.

If they want to mine some old fantasy for a movie they should look at Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. Those books were just anthologies of short stories, which typically translate better into movies.
 
2014-07-30 01:20:34 PM  

Krazikarl: Alphax: Not really.

It's probably as close as you can get to hard science fiction with dragons.

Eh...

I know that the later books supposedly get into the sciency aspects of how the dragons came to be and all that.  But, in the first few books you have dragons.  That are psychic.  And teleport by going into some extra dimension.  Oh, and the dragons fight aliens that rain from the sky.

That's not really hard science fiction.

I actually liked the whole feudal society+dragons thing and thought that McCaffrey was a reasonably good author.  I just couldn't suspend my disbelief enough once you got into the whole psychic, teleporting dragons fighting space aliens phase of the first few books.  I like fantasy, but you can't throw too much crazy crap into it at once.


stop being so hidebound.
 
2014-07-30 01:27:53 PM  

Ed Grubermann: I felt like I'd fallen into some sort of Steven R. Donaldson hell.


Oh man, the 10th Circle of Hell, Donaldson.
 
2014-07-30 01:43:08 PM  
Good! I can't wait!
 
2014-07-30 01:46:56 PM  
static.splashnology.com

If you're going to make a movie about dragons ....
 
2014-07-30 01:47:13 PM  
I remember starting on some of the Pern books back when I was 10 or so and liking them, they were the start of my love of fantasy novels back then. I'm not so sure how they aged though, or if they're enjoyable to an adult or not. I also think I read them out of order since the library didn't always have them in and I just grabbed whichever book and read it.
 
2014-07-30 01:47:20 PM  
The women characters of Pern aren't all that strong.  I mean, yes, Lessa kicks butt and saves the planet in the first book - but is mostly worried about F'lar being angry at her for a big chunk, and pretty much never does anything notable after that first book.  Menolly is similar: she's a great singer and character, but she's almost totally a supporting character to Robinton and Sebel (and even Jaxom) and rarely does anything on her own.  Except for Moreta's flight, Lessa's flight, and Sallah Telgar's thwarting of Avril Bitra, the main events of the stories are all from men.  It's F'lar who acts as the unifier and leader for the planet, *not* Lessa.  It's Jaxom who makes the critical steps in the goal of ridding the planet of Thread forever.  And while Sean and Sorka find the first fire lizards together, it's Sean and Admiral Benden who are credited with setting up the social structure of the planet.

Heck, until Mirrim is allowed to impress a Green (which takes place some 2550+ years after the planet is colonized), women aren't allowed to ride anything other than breeding Gold dragons.  And the feudal paradigm means that, outside of the weyrs, women are almost universally subjugated (examples: Lords having many wives, for example, and there only being one Hold that is matriarchal; women aren't allowed to be anything but singers in the Harper Hall until Menolly joins).  Yes, the stories pass the Bechdel Test, but that's a pretty basic test.  McCaffrey doesn't seem to do well with writing dominant, powerful women without turning them into dutiful wives who are there to support their husbands (she does the same thing in the Talent series with the two strongest women there - the Rowan and Damia - pretty much just becoming supporting characters).  An interesting note is that while she's written quite a few gay men (some better than others), I don't recall her having any characters in the Talent or Dragonrider series who are lesbians.

From the standpoint of strong women, Generation Warriors is much, much better - but that was co-written with Elizabeth Moon.
 
2014-07-30 01:52:46 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ed Grubermann: I felt like I'd fallen into some sort of Steven R. Donaldson hell.

Oh man, the 10th Circle of Hell, Donaldson.


It goes on and on forever and the "hero" never does anything but winge and eventually die.
 
2014-07-30 01:54:09 PM  
They should make it a series on the scale of BSG, but sticking with the story in the books.
 
2014-07-30 01:54:57 PM  
Cyclops there, Cyclopes there, Cyclops there...
 
2014-07-30 02:14:44 PM  
home.earthlink.net
 
2014-07-30 02:27:26 PM  
obenchainr:

Heck, until Mirrim is allowed to impress a Green (which takes place some 2550+ years after the planet is colonized), women aren't allowed to ride anything other than breeding Gold dragons.  And the feudal paradigm means that, outside of the weyrs, women are almost universally subjugated (examples: Lords having many wives, for example, and there only being one Hold that is matriarchal; women aren't allowed to be anything but singers in the Harper Hall until Menolly joins).  Yes, the stories pass the Bechdel Test, but that's a pretty basic test.

Isn't that the point though? The books were written at a time when women were still fighting for equal rights in North America and around the world and the stories reflected the traditional role of women in society and were a commentary on that inequality.  As a young gay man I empathized and identified strongly with the struggle against traditional mores that the female characters engaged in during the stories in the Pern series.

If your reading experiences are limited only to recently-written books where women are already strong independent feminist paragons of virtue then you're missing out on a whole swath of amazing literature.

/so psyched about this news! I LOVED these books in my teens. I'm going to go back and read them now.
 
2014-07-30 02:29:37 PM  
If they have the rights to the entire series then they may not follow it book by book. I think they might just want to use the Pern Universe. (Try not to think what they did to the I, Robot universe.)

Also, I don't think that Leesa is the big question. I want to know who will be the MasterHarper Robinton? I think he is one of the most interesting characters out there. The right casting will make it a hit. But sadly, he doesn't come into his own until later in the series.
 
2014-07-30 02:35:24 PM  

Tyrosine: Given the history of this project I'm sorry to say, but chances are it's going to suck. Plus, just like every other movie based on a novel, or series of novels in this case, the fanboy butthurt will be over the top.

If they want to mine some old fantasy for a movie they should look at Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. Those books were just anthologies of short stories, which typically translate better into movies.


Pern might work better as a series (HBO ,etc). There's a strong story to be the backbone, and easy enough to tell stories about the characters. Plus you can tease the "pre-story" over the course of a few seasons.
 
2014-07-30 02:36:58 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I'm kind of surprised they haven't also looked at this series from her:

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J Michael Strazynski (sp?) already did something with a singing space ship.

(I know, I know, BFD.)

KatjaMouse: PhiloeBedoe: This thread will be about Thread, get it?

grokca: So it's in between?

[media.giphy.com image 500x281]


Yeah, I've never even read any of the books and I got the jokes.

/there was a Pern "plane" on TinyTIM
 
2014-07-30 02:38:32 PM  

Snarfangel: ClintBartonWannabe: I'm cool with it as long as they do them in the order they were published. I would hate to see the dragon origins first.

/Don't forget the Dragon-sex


The Dragonriders of Porn.


Rule 34.
 
2014-07-30 02:41:04 PM  
I have the internet, I can watch the ongoing adventures of the Kittens of Pern and their ongoing daily battle with the deadly threat of Yarn anytime I want.  It's at least as exciting as movie based on those books would be, and probably more so.

/Some fandoms belong in their embarrassing past.
 
2014-07-30 03:15:09 PM  

Max Awesome: Isn't that the point though? The books were written at a time when women were still fighting for equal rights in North America and around the world and the stories reflected the traditional role of women in society and were a commentary on that inequality. As a young gay man I empathized and identified strongly with the struggle against traditional mores that the female characters engaged in during the stories in the Pern series.

If your reading experiences are limited only to recently-written books where women are already strong independent feminist paragons of virtue then you're missing out on a whole swath of amazing literature.

/so psyched about this news! I LOVED these books in my teens. I'm going to go back and read them now.


I'm not limiting myself.  But relying on historical context for literature only gets you so far.  For example, "Watchmen" has extremely limited appeal outside the Cold War mindset; part of the reason the movie wasn't a hit is because of the fact that the major issue it was centered around isn't relevant any more.  Singer's insight with X-Men was updating it from race (which while still an issue doesn't resonate with modern populations as much) to sexuality.  Superman continues to struggle because the Boy Scout concept isn't really motivating any more.

I've read most of the Pern books.  I like most of them them, and some of them a lot.  But without significant updates, it's not something that people of today will look at today and see as a strong movie for women, in spite of how it may have been perceived 46 years ago.  That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done (as-is or with updates), but I was more addressing KatjaMouse's statement of "strong female characters in positions of leadership".  None of them really is, though they certainly could (and possibly should) have been.
 
2014-07-30 03:15:44 PM  

Hebalo: Pern might work better as a series (HBO ,etc). There's a strong story to be the backbone, and easy enough to tell stories about the characters. Plus you can tease the "pre-story" over the course of a few seasons.


Good point and it's s true for most fantasy series. Given the current popularity of the genre I wouldn't be surprised if series like The Belgariad, Rift War Saga, some of Michael Moorcock's stuff, Thieves' World, etc. are being looked at for potential development. All would be better served as a series rather than as movies, providing the production budget doesn't hobble them.

Game of Thrones has been an exceptionally good adaptation, largely because it had a wider appeal than fantasy fans and it's aimed squarely at an adult audience, but it also has high production values. At no point when watching it do you get the impression that compromises were made to save money.  In comparison, The Walking Dead, another well received adaptation has suffered due to budget limitations.
 
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