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(Gawker)   Apparently using your own property how you see fit is absolutely horrible and should be stopped at all costs. Yes, it's in San Francisco, how did you know?   (valleywag.gawker.com) divider line 228
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2014-07-30 08:34:15 AM  
If you convert an entire apartment complex to AirBnB, you have become a hotel and should be subject to the laws governing hotels.
 
2014-07-30 08:57:57 AM  
I could see a problem with converting an entire complex but I would bet that they're also farking over individual renters that are just trying to scratch together enough dough to cover there own rent when they are out of town.
 
2014-07-30 11:15:06 AM  
WHY ME NO CAN CONVERT CONDO TO SMALL SCALE PORK RENDERING PLANT!
 
2014-07-30 11:35:41 AM  
Good thing they weren't holding a plastic bag or a bottled water or they REALLY would have gotten in trouble.
 
2014-07-30 11:35:50 AM  
Most places have boarding house laws, not just liberal utopias, Subby.
 
2014-07-30 11:37:09 AM  
Why can't these whiners just sleep on heating grates and aggressively panhandle like everyone else?
 
2014-07-30 11:37:53 AM  

EvilEgg: If you convert an entire apartment complex to AirBnB, you have become a hotel and should be subject to the laws governing hotels.


Also:  zoning laws.
 
2014-07-30 11:38:04 AM  
Property is theft.
 
2014-07-30 11:38:08 AM  

brap: I could see a problem with converting an entire complex but I would bet that they're also farking over individual renters that are just trying to scratch together enough dough to cover there own rent when they are out of town.


Those working poor who live in San Francisco and take months-long vacations?
 
2014-07-30 11:39:33 AM  

The Muthaship: Property is theft.


www.aarondunlap.com

You can't...own property, man.
 
2014-07-30 11:39:37 AM  
This is the worse than the time I wasn't allowed to start a tire fire in my backyard.
 
2014-07-30 11:40:22 AM  
Easy there, subby. You haven't even started your freshman year of college yet, you're getting a bit ahead of yourself.
 
2014-07-30 11:40:33 AM  

The Muthaship: Property is theft.


Nazi Germany had zoning laws.
 
2014-07-30 11:42:06 AM  
What next? TAXES?!
 
2014-07-30 11:42:17 AM  
So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?
 
2014-07-30 11:42:51 AM  
Nothing to do with legal or illegal. The govt wants their scratch.
 
2014-07-30 11:43:03 AM  

James!: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

Nazi Germany had zoning laws.


And cats. Nazis loved cats.
You don't love cats like the Nazis...do you?
 
2014-07-30 11:43:13 AM  

The Muthaship: Property is theft.


Proper tea is delicious.
 
2014-07-30 11:43:31 AM  
I hate it when people do things. It makes me so angry.
 
2014-07-30 11:44:05 AM  

The Muthaship: Property is theft.


Look, property is theft, right? Therefore theft is property. Therefore this ship is mine, okay?
 
2014-07-30 11:44:34 AM  

EvilEgg: If you convert an entire apartment complex to AirBnB, you have become a hotel and should be subject to the laws governing hotels.


And if you don't, you don't have the protections that hotels get.  Wasn't there a thread back about someone who rented a place to a guy for the summer, and now has to go through a formal (long PITA) evection process because the "guest" now claims tennancy?

If you are running a de facto hotel without paying the taxes and such to run a hotel, you deserve to get screwed like that.
 
2014-07-30 11:45:07 AM  
with any luck the douche bag AirB-n-B squatter a few threads down will wind up there and stiff thelandlords, then have his stuff seized when he leaves the premises....
Wins for everyone
 
2014-07-30 11:45:25 AM  
Is there some kind of tax not being paid?  Well then, the city might have better things to do.
 
2014-07-30 11:45:49 AM  

bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?


They're specifically concerned about people being evicted so that apartments can be turned into Airbnb hotels. It's even in the article.
 
2014-07-30 11:46:09 AM  

bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?


Who knows. I think the majority of us have no problem with someone renting a spare bedroom via AirBnB. But when your renting an entire unit, you've just become a landlord and need to abide by basic laws. Shocking I know.
 
2014-07-30 11:46:37 AM  
If you use the ellis act to evict people, which you can only do if you plan not use it as a rental business any more, so you can just use it to rent on airBNB then you are in clear violation of the law. This type of person is shady, and their tenants deserve to be protected against that abuse.
 
2014-07-30 11:46:48 AM  
Im just glad the shiat I have nobody else wants, but then again I try not to act too happy that I have it. I dont want to bring attention to it.
 
2014-07-30 11:47:06 AM  

EvilEgg: If you convert an entire apartment complex to AirBnB, you have become a hotel and should be subject to the laws governing hotels.


Laws governing things are socialism.
 
2014-07-30 11:47:20 AM  

Katolu: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

Look, property is theft, right? Therefore theft is property. Therefore this ship is mine, okay?


Go bang your heads together four-eyes.
 
2014-07-30 11:47:30 AM  

Onkel Buck: Im just glad the shiat I have nobody else wants, but then again I try not to act too happy that I have it. I dont want to bring attention to it.


What kind of things do you have that I don't want? Hypothetically.
 
2014-07-30 11:48:10 AM  

MindStalker: bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?

Who knows. I think the majority of us have no problem with someone renting a spare bedroom via AirBnB. But when your renting an entire unit, you've just become a landlord and need to abide by basic laws. Shocking I know.


Unless or until laws actually address this case, I don't think pretending they do is a good idea. Let's not go all ex post facto here.

/Too lazy to read all the laws about all the things
 
2014-07-30 11:48:20 AM  

James!: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

Nazi Germany had zoning laws.


You know who else had zoning laws?
 
2014-07-30 11:48:52 AM  

James!: bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?

They're specifically concerned about people being evicted so that apartments can be turned into Airbnb hotels. It's even in the article.


You should know better than to think someone RTFA.
 
2014-07-30 11:49:04 AM  
In other news, trollmitter, most cities of any substantial size have codes and ordinances that govern residential occupancy, whether long or short term.
 
2014-07-30 11:49:11 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: brap: I could see a problem with converting an entire complex but I would bet that they're also farking over individual renters that are just trying to scratch together enough dough to cover there own rent when they are out of town.

Those working poor who live in San Francisco and take months-long vacations?


A couple of points in addition to the one your head peaks in.

1) Everybody in San Francisco ain't rich.
2) They don't have to be month-long rentals.
3) Chowder in a sourdough breadbowl, you can't argue with that.
 
2014-07-30 11:49:25 AM  

James!: bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?

They're specifically concerned about people being evicted so that apartments can be turned into Airbnb hotels. It's even in the article.


Expecting people to read TFA? You must be new around here.

/jk
 
2014-07-30 11:49:35 AM  
I knew there was a reason the Fark headline didn't say "Apparently using your own property how you see fit when it causes no harm to others is absolutely horrible and should be stopped at all costs."

That's the thing a lot of property-rights absolutists avoid. Property rights, especially real estate property rights, are not absolute, or even part of nature. They are an artificial construct of human societies, a way of averting the tragedy of the commons by taking land out of common hands and allowing someone to be called it's "owner" so that the owner will treat that land with care - and when private ownership has adverse effects, like depriving the less fortunate of a place to live, we regulate private ownership.
 
2014-07-30 11:49:55 AM  

Slaxl: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

Proper tea is delicious.


It's not the wretched leaves I mind, but tea without milk is so uncivilized.
 
2014-07-30 11:50:04 AM  

James!: bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?

They're specifically concerned about people being evicted so that apartments can be turned into Airbnb hotels. It's even in the article.


That's what they'd like you to think; they are really a front group, funded by the Hotel Lobby. Duh.
 
2014-07-30 11:50:14 AM  

jayhawk88: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

[www.aarondunlap.com image 352x240]

You can't...own property, man.


www.aarondunlap.com

I can. But that's because I'm not a penniless hippie
 
2014-07-30 11:50:22 AM  

jayhawk88: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

[www.aarondunlap.com image 352x240]

You can't...own property, man.


www.aarondunlap.com
I can. But that's because I'm not a penniless hippie.
 
2014-07-30 11:50:55 AM  
The Pakistanis at the front desk gave them away.
 
2014-07-30 11:52:42 AM  

Mithiwithi: taking land out of common hands


That's a stupid assumption. Land isn't  naturally "in common hands" either. We have to decide how to get along, whether that's by allowing land to be property or otherwise. The  natural solution is to bea tthe shiat out of anyone who opposes you. The  civilized approach is to agree on something, be it common ownership, private property, or otherwise.
 
2014-07-30 11:52:55 AM  

brap: I could see a problem with converting an entire complex but I would bet that they're also farking over individual renters that are just trying to scratch together enough dough to cover there own rent when they are out of town.


Maybe I live in that building, too, and I don't want a new group of people partying until the early hours every week.

I lived in a student-friendly apartment complex many years ago and, while I enjoyed living across from the cute girl with the clothing allergy, I didn't care for the ragers every Tueday night.  And Wednesday.  And Thursday.  And Monday.  And Sunday...you get the idea.
 
2014-07-30 11:53:12 AM  
Most places have laws against illegal flop houses.

Neighbors tend to not like it.
 
2014-07-30 11:53:52 AM  
8-second simulpost for the win!
 
2014-07-30 11:54:35 AM  
I wonder how old you have to be to think making fun of San Francisco by calling people hippies still means anything.
 
2014-07-30 11:54:35 AM  

Nemo's Brother: jayhawk88: The Muthaship: Property is theft.

[www.aarondunlap.com image 352x240]

You can't...own property, man.

[www.aarondunlap.com image 352x240]
I can. But that's because I'm not a penniless hippie.


8 seconds. Damn.
 
2014-07-30 11:54:54 AM  

Wangiss: MindStalker: bugmn99: So, are these activists this concerned about ALL illegal occupancy or just THIS illegal occupancy?

Who knows. I think the majority of us have no problem with someone renting a spare bedroom via AirBnB. But when your renting an entire unit, you've just become a landlord and need to abide by basic laws. Shocking I know.

Unless or until laws actually address this case, I don't think pretending they do is a good idea. Let's not go all ex post facto here.

/Too lazy to read all the laws about all the things


Umm, how is there a "case" here. Your renting out an apartment or room. Just because you using "The Internet" to conduct your rental operations, and using AirBnB as a property management company, doesn't change the laws.
 
2014-07-30 11:54:56 AM  

jtown: brap: I could see a problem with converting an entire complex but I would bet that they're also farking over individual renters that are just trying to scratch together enough dough to cover there own rent when they are out of town.

Maybe I live in that building, too, and I don't want a new group of people partying until the early hours every week.

I lived in a student-friendly apartment complex many years ago and, while I enjoyed living across from the cute girl with the clothing allergy, I didn't care for the ragers every Tueday night.  And Wednesday.  And Thursday.  And Monday.  And Sunday...you get the idea.


But it wasn't your property and control over other people wasn't in your contract, so you had no right to stop other people from having a good time. How sad.
 
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