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(BBC-US)   If you thought British drivers sucked before, just wait 'til January   (bbc.com ) divider line
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2014-07-30 01:34:09 PM  
Riiiight...British drivers suck. Because they have no history with automobiles. At all.

EVER.
 
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2014-07-30 01:59:26 PM  
I think the roads will get better.
 
2014-07-30 02:06:16 PM  
The quicker we transition to all-automated driving, the better.  The increase in national GDP would probably be over 10%, easy.  Sooooo much time is wasted on the roads right now that could be completely avoided by intelligent traffic routing.
 
2014-07-30 02:07:52 PM  

UK to allow driverless cars on public roads in January


It's the worst idea... in the world.

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2014-07-30 02:08:01 PM  
But you can't roll coal in one of them...
 
2014-07-30 02:08:30 PM  
If the robots will we have to listen to techno
 
2014-07-30 02:10:07 PM  
Bring it.

/Looking forward to a long future drinking heavily at bars.
 
2014-07-30 02:10:27 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The quicker we transition to all-automated driving, the better.  The increase in national GDP would probably be over 10%, easy.  Sooooo much time is wasted on the roads right now that could be completely avoided by intelligent traffic routing.


The wealthy should be allowed to pay for the same expedited routing that emergency vehicles will enjoy
 
2014-07-30 02:10:55 PM  
British drivers suck? Since when? I've driven in London and the West Country, and I thought that in general they were better than American drivers. You don't get as many fast-lane hogs on the motorway, for one thing. They do go a bit swiftly on the country B roads, which is terrifying because a) those roads are about 15 feet wide and b) there's a ditch and a stone wall on either side, and no shoulder to speak of.
 
2014-07-30 02:11:06 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The quicker we transition to all-automated driving, the better.  The increase in national GDP would probably be over 10%, easy.  Sooooo much time is wasted on the roads right now that could be completely avoided by intelligent traffic routing.


But, that would take away the pleasure many farkers get from being hyper indignant that anyone in front of them on the freeway would dare drive anywhere but on the right shoulder!

/won't someone please think of the Farkers
 
2014-07-30 02:11:10 PM  
Horrible drivers is right!

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-07-30 02:11:35 PM  
I wonder if they did the darting animal test for the car. For you city people, that is where a deer, moose or what have you jumps in front of your car and you steer to avoid it and it counters the same direction. Like a drunken linebacker.
 
2014-07-30 02:11:48 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The quicker we transition to all-automated driving, the better.  The increase in national GDP would probably be over 10%, easy.  Sooooo much time is wasted on the roads right now that could be completely avoided by intelligent traffic routing.


yeah, but that gain will be offset by not giving people DUIs and other fines in the name of safety. Red light cameras make a lot of money.
 
2014-07-30 02:11:53 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The quicker we transition to all-automated driving, the better.  The increase in national GDP would probably be over 10%, easy.  Sooooo much time is wasted on the roads right now that could be completely avoided by intelligent traffic routing.


On commuter routes, sure. I still want the option of doing my own shifting and steering when I'm just out tooling around.
 
2014-07-30 02:12:16 PM  
With their stricter licensing and MoT standards, I would think British drivers, chavs and other jackasses notwithstanding, would on the whole be more competent than the typical North American. As a bicycle tourist in the south of England years ago, I felt safer on the English roads than I usually did at home, mainly because bicycles don't seem as such a big surprise to drivers as they do here, and they know how pass, er, overtake.
 
2014-07-30 02:13:53 PM  

Solty Dog: I wonder if they did the darting animal test for the car. For you city people, that is where a deer, moose or what have you jumps in front of your car and you steer to avoid it and it counters the same direction. Like a drunken linebacker.


That's what the lasers on the car are for.
 
gja
2014-07-30 02:14:32 PM  
"Hope you enjoyed the ride"


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2014-07-30 02:16:55 PM  
I'm curious about the first time a driverless car runs down a child.

Will the driver be cited for vehicular homicide, or the manufacturer?
 
2014-07-30 02:17:54 PM  

Solty Dog: I wonder if they did the darting animal test for the car. For you city people, that is where a deer, moose or what have you jumps in front of your car and you steer to avoid it and it counters the same direction. Like a drunken linebacker.


City people are completely hip to this. We have squirrels, and homeless people.
 
2014-07-30 02:18:53 PM  
This will be great for drug dealers, but now all the drug couriers will have to rely solely on their Chinese food delivery tips.
 
2014-07-30 02:20:23 PM  

LazyMedia: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The quicker we transition to all-automated driving, the better.  The increase in national GDP would probably be over 10%, easy.  Sooooo much time is wasted on the roads right now that could be completely avoided by intelligent traffic routing.

On commuter routes, sure. I still want the option of doing my own shifting and steering when I'm just out tooling around.


Sorry pal, the Motor Laws are gonna ban that Barchetta of yours.
 
2014-07-30 02:21:11 PM  
The drivers test for the UK is significantly harder than the US one for some reason. In the US they give just about anyone a license regardless at how awful they drive.

Heck, here in NC you can get your full license that includes manual driven cars when you take the test in a car with an automatic transmission. What the hell is wrong with these people?
 
2014-07-30 02:22:16 PM  
Even their trains drive on the wrong side.
 
2014-07-30 02:22:31 PM  

This text is now purple: I'm curious about the first time a driverless car runs down a child.

Will the driver be cited for vehicular homicide, or the manufacturer?


Microsoft.
 
2014-07-30 02:22:56 PM  

This text is now purple: I'm curious about the first time a driverless car runs down a child.

Will the driver be cited for vehicular homicide, or the manufacturer?


I'm sure some lawyer will cite Christine v. Repperton
 
2014-07-30 02:23:14 PM  
If you thought British drivers sucked before...

You mean that place where a driving test checks for more than a pulse?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_driving_test

Try living in the DC area, subby.
 
2014-07-30 02:24:27 PM  

This text is now purple: I'm curious about the first time a driverless car runs down a child.

Will the driver be cited for vehicular homicide, or the manufacturer?


Are passengers cited for vehicular manslaughter when a taxi strikes a pedestrian?  Not unless you can prove that the passenger was influencing the driver to disregard traffic laws.  Same concept with an automated driver.  If it is found that the passenger had overridden the safety mechanisms on the driverless car to enhance his ride, then he is liable.  If it was a failure of the system that the passenger had no part in, then it is the liability of the manufacture.  If the kid suddenly jumped in the middle of the road and the vehicle could not have reasonably avoided the collision, it is on the pedestrian.  Pretty much the same way it works now.  The fact that too many humans don't want to accept is that changing to an automated driving system in large cities would significantly reduce vehicular fatalities.
 
2014-07-30 02:31:31 PM  

Solty Dog: I wonder if they did the darting animal test for the car. For you city people, that is where a deer, moose or what have you jumps in front of your car and you steer to avoid it and it counters the same direction. Like a drunken linebacker.


They're much better than drivers. The computer has infrared & heat sensors as well, and can process information much faster than any human. 
Also the driverless car won't be checking email, Twitter, Facebook, and trying to apply make-up. 
Cars are safe. 
People are stupid.
 
2014-07-30 02:31:57 PM  

Solty Dog: I wonder if they did the darting animal test for the car. For you city people, that is where a deer, moose or what have you jumps in front of your car and you steer to avoid it and it counters the same direction. Like a drunken linebacker.

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2014-07-30 02:32:40 PM  
If you thought British drivers sucked before, just wait til January.

Came for dogging story, leaving unsatisified.
 
2014-07-30 02:34:21 PM  
Self drive could work on a closed circuit (e.g. an airport loop), and could have limited potential on semi closed roads like motorways although it probably couldn't cope with roadworks or similar. It would fail so frequently in urban driving that I expect most people would simply turn it off. I don't see any forseeable time when people can sleep behind the wheel, or be drunk or be not there at all because someone will have to resolve whatever problem the car can't solve for itself.
 
2014-07-30 02:36:11 PM  
Wonder how long before the Top Gear website has a downloadable Clarkson/Hammond/May driving style app you can install in your driverless car...

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2014-07-30 02:36:44 PM  

Solty Dog: I wonder if they did the darting animal test for the car. For you city people, that is where a deer, moose or what have you jumps in front of your car and you steer to avoid it and it counters the same direction. Like a drunken linebacker.


Straight line breaking and just hit it if you don't stop in time.  Never heard of anyone dying from hitting a deer, have worked several fatal crashes where they have tried to avoid a deer/dog/etc though.
 
2014-07-30 02:37:18 PM  
This completely unhackable tech is gonna be great. No way it could go wrong and it is inevitable that it becomes required in the USA.
 
2014-07-30 02:42:01 PM  
As an American briefly living (4 years) in the UK who is in the process of getting a UK license, I'm getting a kick out of this thread. The driving over here is much better than what I've seen in the US. The drivers are much more patient and competent since driving here can be unpredictable with lots of narrow, curvy roads and cyclists.
 
2014-07-30 02:44:04 PM  

LazyMedia: British drivers suck? Since when?

I wouldn't say they suck, but some of them are either crazy, or are following crazy laws.

Here in the states, the general rule for a 3+ lane highway is that the middle lane(s) are for cruising, the inside lane is for passing, and the outside lane is for slow vehicles and people who are entering/exiting the highway. It doesn't always work that way, but it seems logical.

Over there, what I experienced is that everyone is apparently supposed to cruise in the outside lane, and the other lanes are for varying degrees of passing. It also appears that passing on the outside (left) lane must be punishable by death. I was cruising in the middle lane of a not-very-crowded 3-lane motorway, and periodically, some jackass (usually in a BMW) would shoot up the left lane, but since he can't pass me, he would jump all the way across to the inside lane then back again.

Just couldn't see the logic in it all. Would love a UK farker to explain.
 
2014-07-30 02:48:19 PM  
This text is now purple: "I'm curious about the first time a driverless car runs down a child."

What's to be curious about?  Each party will deny responsibility and sue every other party and the courts will sort it out on a case-by-case basis.
Just like what happens today.

Drivers will claim it was all a software fault -- just like they claim their accelerator "stuck" or brakes "didn't work".  Manufacturers will claim the driver erred, disabled safety features, installed unsupported modifications, ignored advised practices/maintenance/etc.  The grief-stricken parents insurance company/companies will sue everyone they can, because that's just how they operate.

And, in the end, auto insurers will insure driverless cars *far* more cheaply than human-piloted cars. Because, while driverless cars will doubtlessly be involved in accidents, the rates are going to be far, far below those of human drivers.  And the damage from unavoidable collisions will be, on balance, less than that of human drivers.  And software and sensors and best-practice strategies for reacting to various collisions in an optimal manner will only improve. (No driver will swerve to avoid wildlife.  Every driver will brake optimally for their speed, road surface, etc. No-one will accidentally stomp the accelerator when trying to brake.)
 
2014-07-30 02:48:32 PM  
UK has produced the largest amount of Formula 1 drivers in the world.

Also has less than half the road fatalities per motor vehicle than the USA.

Who green lights this shiat?
 
2014-07-30 02:48:38 PM  

drxym: Self drive could work on a closed circuit (e.g. an airport loop), and could have limited potential on semi closed roads like motorways although it probably couldn't cope with roadworks or similar. It would fail so frequently in urban driving that I expect most people would simply turn it off. I don't see any forseeable time when people can sleep behind the wheel, or be drunk or be not there at all because someone will have to resolve whatever problem the car can't solve for itself.


Driving isn't that complicated. It's just physics, and computers are way better at that than people. Combine radar, sonar, laser, g-force and TV sensors, a motherboard and some decent software, and a driverless car will out-perform a person 10 times out of 10. Default failure mode will be to stop without hitting anything. Issues with bad GPS/map matches can be fixed by networked learning software after the first encounter. What computers can't do is understand speech worth a crap; you'll need a touchscreen interface for the early models.

The problem will be when they get a little older and the sensors start to fail. Unlike a modern car, you won't be able to just drive it with the Check Engine light on if it's a non-serious code.
 
2014-07-30 02:49:05 PM  
ABS is common now, but cars without ABS are still on the road
Airbags are standard now, but older cars without them are still on the road
Seat belts are required now but cars before the were required are still on the road.
Turn signals are required now, but older cars without them are still on the road.

So where is this precedent for ALL cars being required to do something?

/Biker
//Try to put us in cages and the beatdowns will come like you've never felt them before
///Also offroader
////We ain't going away either biatches
 
2014-07-30 02:52:48 PM  
Look at how many people got killed by airbags.  There was a kid in a car Utah that was parked and it rolled into a curb detonating the airbags decapitating the kid and the top comment was "Too bad."  If the overall death rate is down then no one will care.
 
2014-07-30 02:53:22 PM  
Read the headline, clicked the link thinking.

Wouldn't it be something if they just decided that on January 1, 2015 everyone in Great Britain has to start driving on the correct (read American) side of the road.

I would rather like to be observing the ensuing chaos from a helicopter.

Left disappointed.
 
2014-07-30 02:54:45 PM  

ImpendingCynic: LazyMedia: British drivers suck? Since when?
I wouldn't say they suck, but some of them are either crazy, or are following crazy laws.

Here in the states, the general rule for a 3+ lane highway is that the middle lane(s) are for cruising, the inside lane is for passing, and the outside lane is for slow vehicles and people who are entering/exiting the highway. It doesn't always work that way, but it seems logical.

Over there, what I experienced is that everyone is apparently supposed to cruise in the outside lane, and the other lanes are for varying degrees of passing. It also appears that passing on the outside (left) lane must be punishable by death. I was cruising in the middle lane of a not-very-crowded 3-lane motorway, and periodically, some jackass (usually in a BMW) would shoot up the left lane, but since he can't pass me, he would jump all the way across to the inside lane then back again.

Just couldn't see the logic in it all. Would love a UK farker to explain.


That's how it's supposed to work HERE, but people are too stupid to follow the law. No passing on the right (left in Britain). NO cruising in any lane if there's an open lane to the outside. Move over, so that BMW guy can pass in the proper lane.
 
2014-07-30 02:56:10 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: ABS is common now, but cars without ABS are still on the road
Airbags are standard now, but older cars without them are still on the road
Seat belts are required now but cars before the were required are still on the road.
Turn signals are required now, but older cars without them are still on the road.

So where is this precedent for ALL cars being required to do something?

/Biker
//Try to put us in cages and the beatdowns will come like you've never felt them before
///Also offroader
////We ain't going away either biatches


You probably don't believe Obama is going to take our guns and put us in FEMA camps, either. Sap.
 
2014-07-30 02:58:51 PM  

OscarTamerz: Look at how many people got killed by airbags.  There was a kid in a car Utah that was parked and it rolled into a curb detonating the airbags decapitating the kid and the top comment was "Too bad."  If the overall death rate is down then no one will care.


You don't watch a lot of cable news, do you? The first person who gets killed by a driverless car will cause such a televised shiatstorm you'll think a rich, blonde girl child is on a Malaysian Air flight that's gone missing in a hurricane.
 
2014-07-30 03:00:08 PM  
The only way to see if this will work is to hand over the job of conducting a field test to a tame racing driver.

Some say he invented water, and that the character of Kasuga Ayumu is based on a dream he had after eating some peculiar mushrooms. All we know is....
 
2014-07-30 03:01:16 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: ABS is common now, but cars without ABS are still on the road
Airbags are standard now, but older cars without them are still on the road
Seat belts are required now but cars before the were required are still on the road.
Turn signals are required now, but older cars without them are still on the road.

So where is this precedent for ALL cars being required to do something?

/Biker
//Try to put us in cages and the beatdowns will come like you've never felt them before
///Also offroader
////We ain't going away either biatches


You sound upset because someone wants to do something differently than you do.

The horror, the horror.
 
2014-07-30 03:05:10 PM  
Truly driverless?
I don't WANT to take over, I'll be drunk!
And I'd better not get arrested for drink-driving!!
I'm not driving!
 
2014-07-30 03:09:11 PM  
Uncontrolled_Jibe:
Biker //Try to put us in cages and the beatdowns will come like you've never felt them before ///Also offroader ////We ain't going away either biatches

No need for cages.  We'll just keep on getting rid of helmet laws and geniuses like you will take care of problem for us.


Darwin biatches
 
2014-07-30 03:11:27 PM  
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