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(Military.com)   The US military has a new contractor for shipping service member's personal vehicles when they get stationed overseas. Let's look in and see how that's going. "Unequivocally we have not lost any vehicles, they are in the system somewhere"   (military.com ) divider line
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2014-07-30 09:35:23 AM  
...International Auto Logistics

Managers in charge of military shipping:

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2014-07-30 10:16:26 AM  
Hmmmm, it would be interesting to see the performance of the previous contractor, and why exactly they changed.
 
2014-07-30 10:17:38 AM  
c2.staticflickr.com

This just in: Sometimes shipping companies misplace stuff.
 
2014-07-30 10:18:49 AM  
Sure that "system" may be the ecosystem at the bottom of the ocean or the "strip a car for parts" system but it's in the system nonetheless.
 
2014-07-30 10:19:40 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [c2.staticflickr.com image 200x150]

This just in: Sometimes shipping companies misplace stuff.


I think the article points out a little more than that.
 
2014-07-30 10:20:10 AM  
Do they know where they are,  No?

Then I count that as lost.
 
2014-07-30 10:21:26 AM  
I have a duffel bag "still in the system" from 1986. It should be delivered any day now.
 
2014-07-30 10:23:21 AM  
Ultra stupid question here....

"We left our car with AAL in 2011 and up until a week ago, assumed that's where it still was," she said

Wouldnt it just be easier to sell the vehicle and buy a new one when you get back 3 years later?

I know just from moving 3000 miles it was easier for me to sell my vehicle and buy a new one once I was settled in.
I cant imagine how its cost affective to ship or store vehicles for years unless the military is underwriting the cost at a huge loss...
 
2014-07-30 10:24:18 AM  
International Auto Logistics -- the Brunswick, Georgia-based subsidiary of the IAP Group -- to handle the shipping service.

But all the businesses down south are infallible because rigth-to-work, no regulations, free market, herp, derp, herp derp......

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.
 
2014-07-30 10:25:05 AM  
People have their cars shipped to Germany? I mean isn't that a lot more hassle with paperwork and stuff. Not to mention the right hand drive thing
 
2014-07-30 10:25:29 AM  
After RTA, this sounds familiar. New guys bid on a government contract. When they actually WIN the bid, they go, "oh, crap, NOW we need to staff up to execute the contract."
 
2014-07-30 10:25:38 AM  
This is a great big stinkpile to add to all of the other shiat involved in a transfer.

Back in my day, though, they couldn't tell me within a three month window as to when my motorcycles would make it from the Philippines to San Diego. I decided to sell them rather than have them sit on a dock somewhere for months.
 
2014-07-30 10:26:17 AM  

An Air Force Captain who recently changed posts from Germany to Minot, North Dakota, with his wife, 1-year-old son and two dogs and asked that his name not be used, said he shipped his car on May 21.

"I flew to the states to pick it up on July 3 like the company's paperwork told me to do. The website said that my car had made it to Norfolk port, and I thought I might have to wait a few days for customs," he said. "After 10 days of waiting on the East Coast being given every excuse in the book, I finally had to make the trip to North Dakota without my car. To date, the company still cannot tell me where my car is and when I might receive it."

He added, "We are out of pocket for the rental vehicle I had to get to make the trip, as well as the money I will need to spend to fly back to Baltimore to pick up the Jeep -- if it ever gets in."


Nice OPSEC, sir. No wonder you were shipped off to Minot.
 
2014-07-30 10:26:59 AM  

ani23: People have their cars shipped to Germany? I mean isn't that a lot more hassle with paperwork and stuff. Not to mention the right hand drive thing


I think the bigger issue is driving a Chevy Suburban or a Dodge Ram on the narrow streets in most german cities.  Hell, buy a cheap BMW while you are there, rather then ship your us vehicle.
 
2014-07-30 10:27:21 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [c2.staticflickr.com image 200x150]

This just in: Sometimes shipping companies misplace stuff.

I think the article points out a little more than that.


Well it is a government contractor so you should expect incompetence ramped up to 11.  A buddy was getting stationed in Hawaii, they never did find his dog.
 
2014-07-30 10:28:02 AM  

smerfnablin: Ultra stupid question here....

"We left our car with AAL in 2011 and up until a week ago, assumed that's where it still was," she said

Wouldnt it just be easier to sell the vehicle and buy a new one when you get back 3 years later?

I know just from moving 3000 miles it was easier for me to sell my vehicle and buy a new one once I was settled in.
I cant imagine how its cost affective to ship or store vehicles for years unless the military is underwriting the cost at a huge loss...


I believe you just answered your own question.
 
2014-07-30 10:28:30 AM  

Fissile: International Auto Logistics -- the Brunswick, Georgia-based subsidiary of the IAP Group -- to handle the shipping service.

But all the businesses down south are infallible because rigth-to-work, no regulations, free market, herp, derp, herp derp......

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.


Brunswick is a big automobile port. Probably a Union shop (Longshoremen). Savannah (also run by the State) is ILA. On mobile, so I can't double-check.
 
2014-07-30 10:29:23 AM  
It would probably be cheaper (for whoever is paying for this, whether that be individuals or the government) to just use the cash to buy a used car at the destination than to load one on a ship and send it halfway around the world (and back, at the end of their overseas service).

What does it cost per car, anyway?
 
2014-07-30 10:29:50 AM  
Fissile:

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.

Maybe because it's not about "How much can I get" and more about serving your country.

And I've gotten really good health care, and I'm going to be netting 3k or so a month in retirement here quite soon. Thanks for the taxes, chump.
 
2014-07-30 10:31:41 AM  
Why not just give each person who needs a car shipped an allowance for that need  and let the individual and the free market deal with shipping their own personal vehicle.
 
2014-07-30 10:31:55 AM  
That's a new low, Jack.
 
2014-07-30 10:33:16 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-30 10:33:16 AM  

ani23: People have their cars shipped to Germany? I mean isn't that a lot more hassle with paperwork and stuff. Not to mention the right hand drive thing


Clearly you have never been to Germany.
 
2014-07-30 10:35:54 AM  

ani23: People have their cars shipped to Germany? I mean isn't that a lot more hassle with paperwork and stuff. Not to mention the right hand drive thing


Not sure if serious.
 
2014-07-30 10:37:08 AM  

Unobtanium: Fissile: International Auto Logistics -- the Brunswick, Georgia-based subsidiary of the IAP Group -- to handle the shipping service.

But all the businesses down south are infallible because rigth-to-work, no regulations, free market, herp, derp, herp derp......

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.

Brunswick is a big automobile port. Probably a Union shop (Longshoremen). Savannah (also run by the State) is ILA. On mobile, so I can't double-check.


Private sector incompetence is always because unions. Always.
 
2014-07-30 10:37:26 AM  
I don't believe that's what 'lost' means. Lost implies you can't find it, not a violation of the law of conservation of mass.

So yes, it is lost.
 
2014-07-30 10:38:17 AM  
Where was the last place you had them?
 
2014-07-30 10:38:22 AM  
How are you going to throw up a Nazi salute without right hand drive? Study it out.
 
2014-07-30 10:38:33 AM  

mrmopar5287: ani23: People have their cars shipped to Germany? I mean isn't that a lot more hassle with paperwork and stuff. Not to mention the right hand drive thing

Clearly you have never been to Germany.


Clearly he has never been to Germany sober.
 
2014-07-30 10:38:47 AM  
My coworker's not going to be happy about this when he has to have his 2012 ZR-1 shipped overseas ...
 
2014-07-30 10:39:51 AM  

BafflerMeal: smerfnablin: Ultra stupid question here....

"We left our car with AAL in 2011 and up until a week ago, assumed that's where it still was," she said

Wouldnt it just be easier to sell the vehicle and buy a new one when you get back 3 years later?

I know just from moving 3000 miles it was easier for me to sell my vehicle and buy a new one once I was settled in.
I cant imagine how its cost affective to ship or store vehicles for years unless the military is underwriting the cost at a huge loss...

I believe you just answered your own question.


I was questioning why you would store a vehicle for 3 years and let it depreciate. Lets say she owned a 2010 Chevy Malibu..


In 2010, she would have been able to get $20,000 more or less
In 2011 she would have been able to get $15,000 more or less
In 2014 she would be be able to get $10,000 more or less

She basically lost $5000 in value with no additional mileage or wear by just letting her car sit and devalue.

Why not sell it for $15k when she left, roll her money over at 2% for 3 years in a CD and come back to the states with $16,000 and buy something nice

Sorry if I am missing something here....
 
2014-07-30 10:40:06 AM  

MFAWG: Unobtanium: Fissile: International Auto Logistics -- the Brunswick, Georgia-based subsidiary of the IAP Group -- to handle the shipping service.

But all the businesses down south are infallible because rigth-to-work, no regulations, free market, herp, derp, herp derp......

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.

Brunswick is a big automobile port. Probably a Union shop (Longshoremen). Savannah (also run by the State) is ILA. On mobile, so I can't double-check.

Private sector incompetence is always because unions. Always.


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2014-07-30 10:42:18 AM  

smerfnablin: Ultra stupid question here....

"We left our car with AAL in 2011 and up until a week ago, assumed that's where it still was," she said

Wouldnt it just be easier to sell the vehicle and buy a new one when you get back 3 years later?

I know just from moving 3000 miles it was easier for me to sell my vehicle and buy a new one once I was settled in.
I cant imagine how its cost affective to ship or store vehicles for years unless the military is underwriting the cost at a huge loss...


Well, sometimes it's a pretty good deal.

CSB:
My wife and I bought her a brand new soft top convertible when she came home from Iraq in 2009.  When she was at Career Course in Arizona and language school in California, it was great.  However, we got sent up to Alaska, and decided it wasn't a good idea to take it up with us.  We had a 0% interest loan, so it wasn't costing us anything extra to make the payments.  We put the car in storage up on jack stands near my in-law's house in PA,  shipped our older sedan up to Fairbanks, and we bought a used SUV when we got up there.  The storage place near the in-laws let you rent a locker for car storage for 65 bucks a month.  Whenever we would fly back to visit on her leaves, we'd pull the car out of storage so we didn't have to rent a vehicle.  When we got back down here in 2013, we had a paid off vehicle, with very low mileage.  If we had wanted to use military storage we could have, but we wouldn't have been able to use the car when we came down.
 
2014-07-30 10:42:18 AM  

smerfnablin: BafflerMeal: smerfnablin: Ultra stupid question here....

"We left our car with AAL in 2011 and up until a week ago, assumed that's where it still was," she said

Wouldnt it just be easier to sell the vehicle and buy a new one when you get back 3 years later?

I know just from moving 3000 miles it was easier for me to sell my vehicle and buy a new one once I was settled in.
I cant imagine how its cost affective to ship or store vehicles for years unless the military is underwriting the cost at a huge loss...

I believe you just answered your own question.

I was questioning why you would store a vehicle for 3 years and let it depreciate. Lets say she owned a 2010 Chevy Malibu..


In 2010, she would have been able to get $20,000 more or less
In 2011 she would have been able to get $15,000 more or less
In 2014 she would be be able to get $10,000 more or less

She basically lost $5000 in value with no additional mileage or wear by just letting her car sit and devalue.

Why not sell it for $15k when she left, roll her money over at 2% for 3 years in a CD and come back to the states with $16,000 and buy something nice

Sorry if I am missing something here....



I agree with you.  I was just pointing out that is *is* subsidized.

Regarding your line of thought here:  Most people cannot make a budget, let alone do rational depreciation and value judgments of material possessions.  So they just 'keep their stuff', and the taxpayers ship it around for them.
 
2014-07-30 10:42:49 AM  

vudukungfu: That's a new low, Jack.


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2014-07-30 10:43:40 AM  

wxboy: It would probably be cheaper (for whoever is paying for this, whether that be individuals or the government) to just use the cash to buy a used car at the destination than to load one on a ship and send it halfway around the world (and back, at the end of their overseas service).

What does it cost per car, anyway?


Ocean freight is actually spectacularly cheap.  It costs me something like $107 to send a 2,000 kg pallet from China to east coast USA.

Cars are a little bit more complicated since you have to drain the fluids etc before loading, but yeah.
 
2014-07-30 10:43:51 AM  
Count me in the why would you ship your car in the first place category. Especially when I see someone trying to get their left-hand drive Suburban (or, in one case, a H2) through some of the narrow lanes over here in the UK.

/ While burning $8.00 per gallon gas at 8 M.P.G.
// so they can take up four parking spaces once they get to Tesco.
 
2014-07-30 10:44:42 AM  

MythDragon: Fissile:

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.

Maybe because it's not about "How much can I get" and more about serving your country.

And I've gotten really good health care, and I'm going to be netting 3k or so a month in retirement here quite soon. Thanks for the taxes, chump.


$3K huh?  That Kool-Aid must really taste good.  Is it the purple flavor?   This guy's pension is $13.5K per month.  Who do you think did more work and took more risks?  http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/07/bayonne_police_chief_retir e s_with_big_payout_scianni_peninsula_city_retirement_pension_funds_new_ jer.html

The average Wall St bonus for ONE YEAR is more than all you've earned in the military COMBINED.  Think anyone was shooting at those Wall St guys?

/Sucker
 
2014-07-30 10:45:23 AM  
You know, it might actually be cheaper, simpler, and better for everyone, if the government would purchase used cars from soldiers deployed overseas, when they go stateside, and then resale them to guys who are still deployed there at a reasonable price, with no interest, since they can just deduct said money from the troops who sign up for the program.  Why does this sound familiar?  Oh yeah, it's what they used to to back in the 40s and 50s, before someone lobbied congress so they could make a bunch of money shipping cars.
 
2014-07-30 10:45:50 AM  

Fissile: International Auto Logistics -- the Brunswick, Georgia-based subsidiary of the IAP Group -- to handle the shipping service.

But all the businesses down south are infallible because rigth-to-work, no regulations, free market, herp, derp, herp derp......

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.


-1/10

/rigth ???
 
2014-07-30 10:46:29 AM  
Bilko!!!
 
2014-07-30 10:47:46 AM  

Road Rash: Fissile: International Auto Logistics -- the Brunswick, Georgia-based subsidiary of the IAP Group -- to handle the shipping service.

But all the businesses down south are infallible because rigth-to-work, no regulations, free market, herp, derp, herp derp......

Yep, supporting troops.....unless they need health care, or any kind of assistance to get back into civilian life, then, "Fark you, 47% parasite."  Why anyone would volunteer for the military is beyond me. Suckers.

-1/10

/rigth ???


Nope. No trolling at all.  You can't handle the troof.
 
2014-07-30 10:48:56 AM  

tiiger: ani23: People have their cars shipped to Germany? I mean isn't that a lot more hassle with paperwork and stuff. Not to mention the right hand drive thing

I think the bigger issue is driving a Chevy Suburban or a Dodge Ram on the narrow streets in most german cities.  Hell, buy a cheap BMW while you are there, rather then ship your us vehicle.


The military will ship one vehicle.  Most families that go overseas ship one, then pick up a cheap used one wherever they wind up.  Or they're 22 year old E-4s with a wife and two kids who doesn't have enough leftover cash at the end of the month to buy an extra bus pass, let alone a car.  And the military will ship that truck you are still paying off for free, so why not send it?
 
2014-07-30 10:49:40 AM  

wxboy: It would probably be cheaper (for whoever is paying for this, whether that be individuals or the government) to just use the cash to buy a used car at the destination than to load one on a ship and send it halfway around the world (and back, at the end of their overseas service).

What does it cost per car, anyway?


In 2002, I was quoted 1500 one way from Savannah to Le Havres in France. Supposedly, if you'd owned your cart for at least six month s, there were no taxes to pay.
 
2014-07-30 10:53:40 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: A Chair Force Captain *fartsound*."

Nice OPSEC, sir. No wonder you were shipped off to Minot.


Yeah, when you get orders to a place like Mosquito Bay... it's time to rethink that next reenlistment.
 
2014-07-30 10:58:24 AM  
Just in case....you guys do know Germany and the USA drive on the same side of the road, right?  I know, I might be missing the joke, but....


And hell yeah ship, rather than buy.  Trying to buy used on the economy from a dealer will destroy your pocketbook on the conversion.  Soldiers and nationals will gouge the hell out of you too, if you need a vehicle.

There's also that damned mechanical inspection.  You can't just go buy a crap beater for 3 years, coz Germany requires very in-depth mechanical inspections before they issue/renew a tag. My NCO's year old Jeep got parked for two weeks, because of ONE drop of oil falling from the rear diff while it was up on jacks.  She had to present accredited receipts from a repair shop and have a new inspection before they'd give her new tags.
 
2014-07-30 10:59:48 AM  
Lot of people posting in this thread like they're angry about soldiers being taken care of when moving as part of a tour of duty.

Wait until they hear about all the free vacations soldiers take aboard space A!
 
2014-07-30 11:00:35 AM  
The only thing dumber than shipping your car is having it chained to the flight deck. That sure was a clusterfark. Everybody who did it lost their insurance. The insurers were all like "A carrier? Don't those things get attacked?"
 
2014-07-30 11:03:49 AM  
"Things that must be together to work, usually can't be shipped together." - Supply Training Manual
 
2014-07-30 11:04:08 AM  
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

"Unequivocally we have not lost any vehicles.  Never!"
 
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