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2014-07-30 10:23:35 AM  
USPS has 190,000 delivery vehicles, and 142,000 of them will reach the end of their life expectancy before 2017. Price of stamps to rise to 75 cents 5 day delivery issue to rise again in in 3 ... 2 ... 1
 
2014-07-30 11:13:28 AM  
So the market is about to be flooded with right-hand-drive panel vans? That's kind of cool.
 
2014-07-30 11:37:11 AM  

Calmamity: So the market is about to be flooded with right-hand-drive panel vans? That's kind of cool.


A friend of the family got one of their old right hand jeeps from the 70s/80s, cool little jeep.
 
2014-07-30 11:44:05 AM  
I would think that the USPS might be a good place to use electric vehicles.
 
2014-07-30 11:51:30 AM  
stock up on forever stamps now!
 
2014-07-30 11:55:31 AM  
Meanwhile the Armed Forces pisses away billions upon billions on planes that catch fire whenever they are flown and no one gives a crap.
 
2014-07-30 12:04:56 PM  
1) Oh noes! Who can afford to send letters for $0.75?

2) The price of mail delivery is tied to overall inflation by law.
 
2014-07-30 12:05:36 PM  
Um, I though stamp price increases were limited and had to be approved by Congress?
 
2014-07-30 12:13:01 PM  
So we should totally let UPS and FedEx take over and charge us all $2.50 for a stamp!
 
2014-07-30 12:16:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: So we should totally let UPS and FedEx take over and charge us all $2.50 for a stamp!


Funnily enough the people who believe that live in more rural areas on average and would see their postage increase dramatically, while those of us in more urban settings might be better off.
 
2014-07-30 12:25:47 PM  
What is this "stamp" of which you speak?
 
2014-07-30 12:28:58 PM  
I was wondering about this... these USPS vehicles they've been using have been in service for twenty years or more. They still use that old GM Iron Duke 4 cylinder (those are near impossible to kill, so those may still have life left in them), so they aren't even all that efficient.

I also wonder if EVs might be worthwhile... maybe too expensive to purchase though- they need decent cargo capacity and enough range to handle a day's worth of stop and go.
 
2014-07-30 12:36:35 PM  

akula: I was wondering about this... these USPS vehicles they've been using have been in service for twenty years or more. They still use that old GM Iron Duke 4 cylinder (those are near impossible to kill, so those may still have life left in them), so they aren't even all that efficient.

I also wonder if EVs might be worthwhile... maybe too expensive to purchase though- they need decent cargo capacity and enough range to handle a day's worth of stop and go.


I was thinking the same thing, Coke has switched/tested, in some cities to electric vehicles.
 
2014-07-30 12:50:16 PM  

nocturnal001: Funnily enough the people who believe that live in more rural areas on average and would see their postage increase dramatically, while those of us in more urban settings might be better off.


I live in a "rural" area (if somewhere with a median home price of $500k can be called "rural"), and we don't have street delivery, we all have to have PO boxes. What blows my mind is that if I go in to the post office and mail a letter to someone else who has a PO box there, they send the mail down the hill to the Western Sorting Center in Reno, then it comes back up the hill and ends up in my neighbor's PO box. So a letter that needs to travel 20 feet instead travels 90 miles. How that is efficient is beyond me.
 
2014-07-30 01:04:07 PM  

akula: I was wondering about this... these USPS vehicles they've been using have been in service for twenty years or more. They still use that old GM Iron Duke 4 cylinder (those are near impossible to kill, so those may still have life left in them), so they aren't even all that efficient.

I also wonder if EVs might be worthwhile... maybe too expensive to purchase though- they need decent cargo capacity and enough range to handle a day's worth of stop and go.


They replaced those engines about every 250k miles.
 
2014-07-30 01:04:47 PM  

GaperKiller: nocturnal001: Funnily enough the people who believe that live in more rural areas on average and would see their postage increase dramatically, while those of us in more urban settings might be better off.

I live in a "rural" area (if somewhere with a median home price of $500k can be called "rural"), and we don't have street delivery, we all have to have PO boxes. What blows my mind is that if I go in to the post office and mail a letter to someone else who has a PO box there, they send the mail down the hill to the Western Sorting Center in Reno, then it comes back up the hill and ends up in my neighbor's PO box. So a letter that needs to travel 20 feet instead travels 90 miles. How that is efficient is beyond me.


Central sorting and organization in one area is required to make 95% percent of the post efficient. The cost in building, technology, and staffing sorting in every little branch would be in the many billions of dollars and lose time and efficiency massively on any packages that are moving out of the region.

Then again, it quite retarded to ship a letter by the postal service a distance of 20 feet.

Maybe remove the restriction that the post office is the only company in the world that have with their pensions to put away all the money for several decades for every employee hired, they could afford to get new vehicles and be massively in the black, instead of being used to bankrupt the postal service as a means to try and kill it. Then again how is Fedex supposed to charge $15/letter if someone can post it for under 50 cents and who will they use for the last mile delivery.
 
2014-07-30 01:06:57 PM  

sdd2000: I would think that the USPS might be a good place to use electric vehicles.


Electric, or nat gas..

I think they actually have a few pilot programs for nat gas mail trucks
 
2014-07-30 01:07:46 PM  
The PO has been trying different versions of electric vehicles since the 1890's and to this day, they have a fairly sizable fleet of them, both as a matter of policy and as a testing ground for different mfg's and technologies.....in some areas, they work well and others, not so much.  Just as in private citizens lives, there is no "one size fits all" when it comes to modes of transportation.
 
2014-07-30 01:47:11 PM  
ZOMG!!!!   75 cents to send a letter pretty much anywhere in the north america in a few days?

The OUTRAGEE!!!!
 
2014-07-30 01:51:40 PM  
I would be happy to pay that. I have never had an issue with them. Can't beat the price when you actually have to mail something.
 
2014-07-30 01:52:51 PM  

GaperKiller: I live in a "rural" area (if somewhere with a median home price of $500k can be called "rural")


"Rural" has nothing to do with home price. Way to slip in a subtle brag. :)
 
2014-07-30 01:56:32 PM  

sdd2000: I would think that the USPS might be a good place to use electric vehicles.


Me too - Musk could sell them to the PS at cost, and include in that cost the $ needed to ramp up battery production. He gets a huge influx of sales needed to offset the battery infrastructure he's building, we get a deal on our new trucks.

/he also gets more "I'm saving the world" cred
 
2014-07-30 01:57:57 PM  
just make it a buck and call it a day..  upgrade to new electric vehicles and go to 5 days Tuesday-Saturday at home.. monday-friday for businesses

place ads on the sides of trucks and get a side contract from DHS to put in Radiation detectors in trucks
 
2014-07-30 02:10:52 PM  
I think it would be perfectly reasonable for stamps to cost $.75. It's still less than a candy bar to send a letter and it make a lot more sense than charging $.37 or whatever it is now. Hell just raise it to a dollar and be done with it for a few years. Although I suppose the spam mailers are their real customers, not the American public so a few cents a letter might have an impact on all that crap they send.
 
2014-07-30 02:18:04 PM  

GaperKiller: nocturnal001: Funnily enough the people who believe that live in more rural areas on average and would see their postage increase dramatically, while those of us in more urban settings might be better off.

I live in a "rural" area (if somewhere with a median home price of $500k can be called "rural")


I have a normal sized dick (if 12 inches can be called normal)
 
2014-07-30 03:02:44 PM  

GaperKiller: nocturnal001: Funnily enough the people who believe that live in more rural areas on average and would see their postage increase dramatically, while those of us in more urban settings might be better off.

I live in a "rural" area (if somewhere with a median home price of $500k can be called "rural"), and we don't have street delivery, we all have to have PO boxes. What blows my mind is that if I go in to the post office and mail a letter to someone else who has a PO box there, they send the mail down the hill to the Western Sorting Center in Reno, then it comes back up the hill and ends up in my neighbor's PO box. So a letter that needs to travel 20 feet instead travels 90 miles. How that is efficient is beyond me.


Gee, wait until you have to fly cross country.  Your friggen head will explode.
 
2014-07-30 03:09:27 PM  
Apparently these vehicles don't have AC.  Poor bastards.  No wonder the relatives (yes, plural) I know who work as mailmen hate their jobs.
 
2014-07-30 03:24:48 PM  
What responsible fleet operators do is to replace a certain percentage of their fleet every year, so it never comes down to "we have to buy all new trucks RIGHT NOW."

For instance, if you expect your average vehicle to last ten years, you might routinely replace 10% of your trucks each year.

Or you have a mileage limit, so you replace each vehicle as it passes that number.
 
2014-07-30 03:42:39 PM  
You mean this could negatively affect my daily delivery of garbage? Oh noes!!!

/kill the USPS
 
2014-07-30 04:57:19 PM  

bingethinker: What responsible fleet operators do is to replace a certain percentage of their fleet every year, so it never comes down to "we have to buy all new trucks RIGHT NOW."

For instance, if you expect your average vehicle to last ten years, you might routinely replace 10% of your trucks each year.

Or you have a mileage limit, so you replace each vehicle as it passes that number.


The problem with that (especially at a govt entity), is "Fleet" is one of the first things cut come budget time.  "Oh, you need to replace 100 vehicles this year?  Well, we need to trim 10% from the budget, so we're going to cut that down to 12 vehicles....you can do the others "next" year."  Repeat year after year after year, etc......

/I run a govt fleet....
//though nowhere near as large as the USPS's
 
2014-07-30 05:09:42 PM  
Who gives a damn? Shut it down & fire everyone.
 
2014-07-30 05:27:24 PM  
It's almost as though delivering packages to every address in the country on a daily basis is an expensive thing to do?
 
2014-07-30 05:48:51 PM  

umad: You mean this could negatively affect my daily delivery of garbage? Oh noes!!!

/kill the USPS


DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Who gives a damn? Shut it down & fire everyone.


Lets say we create your Randian dream world and the USPS is shut down. Do you really want to see what happens when you add 600,000 unemployed people to our barely recovering economy? That's direct postal employees and contractors. Add in businesses that rely on the USPS and you're probably up to 1 million unemployed.

What about UPS and FedEx? You know what keeps their planes busy during the day? Moving postal mail. Plus what about the UPS and FedEx stuff that rides on USPS trucks and planes and gets delivered by postal employees? Hope you like seeing your delivery charges double or triple when you order from Amazon.
 
2014-07-30 06:00:48 PM  

TheSelphie: Apparently these vehicles don't have AC.  Poor bastards.  No wonder the relatives (yes, plural) I know who work as mailmen hate their jobs.


You might want to get your DNA checked. I think you're part alien.

/neuralize
 
2014-07-30 06:36:28 PM  
Go ahead and jack the postal rates to whatever exorbitant level you want, I have a lifetime-and-beyond supply of Forever stamps, plus the only things I get in the physical mail these days are advertising pieces and the occasional Amazon package. I get all my bills, make all my payments, and deposit any checks I get via the internet, and if the USPS raises Amazon's rate too much, they'll just use FedEx, UPS, or their own delivery service, which dropped something off here just yesterday.
 
2014-07-30 06:40:47 PM  

mjohnson71: umad: You mean this could negatively affect my daily delivery of garbage? Oh noes!!!

/kill the USPS


DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Who gives a damn? Shut it down & fire everyone.


Lets say we create your Randian dream world and the USPS is shut down. Do you really want to see what happens when you add 600,000 unemployed people to our barely recovering economy? That's direct postal employees and contractors. Add in businesses that rely on the USPS and you're probably up to 1 million unemployed.


Do you really think that if the USPS vanished that alternatives wouldn't spring up and hire as many people as necessary? The nice thing about markets is that they'll fill a need when one arises.
 
2014-07-30 06:44:38 PM  

mjohnson71: Hope you like seeing your delivery charges double or triple when you order from Amazon.


Farking quintuple them for all I care. I just want my mailbox to stop constantly being filled with garbage. Consider it my contribution to save the planet. A system set up to waste resources moving garbage back back and forth across the country is no better than paying people to dig holes just to fill them up. Fark the USPS.
 
2014-07-30 06:47:05 PM  
I forgot to add: If the internet was as ad-driven as the USPS, all of you would be screaming bloody murder.

/fark the USPS
 
rka
2014-07-30 08:52:47 PM  

chevydeuce: bingethinker: What responsible fleet operators do is to replace a certain percentage of their fleet every year, so it never comes down to "we have to buy all new trucks RIGHT NOW."

For instance, if you expect your average vehicle to last ten years, you might routinely replace 10% of your trucks each year.

Or you have a mileage limit, so you replace each vehicle as it passes that number.

The problem with that (especially at a govt entity), is "Fleet" is one of the first things cut come budget time.  "Oh, you need to replace 100 vehicles this year?  Well, we need to trim 10% from the budget, so we're going to cut that down to 12 vehicles....you can do the others "next" year."  Repeat year after year after year, etc......

/I run a govt fleet....
//though nowhere near as large as the USPS's


My wife runs fleet at her company. She has a $30 million dollar request in just for replacement vehicles due to "cost" measures like you describe.

It's a nasty problem if it gets neglected for even one cycle.
 
2014-07-30 09:35:31 PM  

GaperKiller: nocturnal001: Funnily enough the people who believe that live in more rural areas on average and would see their postage increase dramatically, while those of us in more urban settings might be better off.

I live in a "rural" area (if somewhere with a median home price of $500k can be called "rural"), and we don't have street delivery, we all have to have PO boxes. What blows my mind is that if I go in to the post office and mail a letter to someone else who has a PO box there, they send the mail down the hill to the Western Sorting Center in Reno, then it comes back up the hill and ends up in my neighbor's PO box. So a letter that needs to travel 20 feet instead travels 90 miles. How that is efficient is beyond me.


The most efficient thing for your particular piece of mail is not necessarily the most efficient thing for the post office as a whole.
 
2014-07-30 09:41:03 PM  
Why are we not focussing on the fact that we are planning for massive expenditures for a organization rapidly becoming obsolete?
 
2014-07-31 06:53:57 PM  
Only 75 cents?  I think in Canada their postal system - also partly privatized, also a national joke -
charges more than $1 to mail the usual letter.  (Since the Canadian dollar has risen against the
US dollar, the one-time practice of Americans who live near the border but mail from Canada to
save on postage has pretty much been given up.)
 
2014-07-31 10:39:40 PM  

umad: mjohnson71: Hope you like seeing your delivery charges double or triple when you order from Amazon.

Farking quintuple them for all I care. I just want my mailbox to stop constantly being filled with garbage. Consider it my contribution to save the planet. A system set up to waste resources moving garbage back back and forth across the country is no better than paying people to dig holes just to fill them up. Fark the USPS.


Y U mad, though?
 
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