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(Daily Mail)   Insurance Company: "Sorry 16 year old kid with cancer, but we're not paying for your dentures because you can live without teeth. Next"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 96
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2014-07-30 12:44:20 AM  
I would say not being able to eat solid food is definitely a farking medical issue.
 
2014-07-30 01:27:44 AM  
It is a feature, not a defect.
Look at how healthy Jack LaLanne is, Tiger.
 
2014-07-30 01:47:48 AM  
For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.
 
2014-07-30 03:24:07 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


Because fark you, that's why.
 
2014-07-30 04:00:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


Because dental care isn't real or necessary health care or some shiat and healthy teeth are a luxury.
 
2014-07-30 04:06:46 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


 Because what's he gonna do, gum us to death?
 
2014-07-30 04:10:16 AM  
Hopefully he keeps his chin up.
 
2014-07-30 04:11:13 AM  
Did I miss it, or did the article mention the insureance company in question? This is one of those times when they should definitely be called out and publicly shamed.
 
2014-07-30 04:18:54 AM  
Fark insurance companies. that is all.
 
2014-07-30 04:19:03 AM  
There have been a few threads lately about people saying "we deserve free stuff as our child has cancer!".
Not belittling such an Awfull trade by for these poor kids, but cancer kills lots of people, and that's an equal tradegy to the families of those people. But they rarely demand free stuff.
 
2014-07-30 04:26:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


Because Republicans.
 
2014-07-30 04:29:41 AM  
Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-07-30 04:31:42 AM  
I rise today in support of the "why isn't dental covered under regular medical insurance" cause. It is a fundamental right not to have your teeth fall out of your head just because you can't afford insurance against losing a limb AND losing a tooth. (Unless, of course, you simply abuse your mouth outright and refuse to brush your f*cling teeth--then it's your own damn fault.)

There are also serious dental conditions which can have horrifying effects on general health. Bacteria in an abscess in your mouth can easily relocate to your heart or liver, but health insurance won't pay for a dentist to fix an abscess. Brilliant.

Here's something else that's bugging me: doctors have to take rotations in psychiatry, oncology, and so forth. Why can't that include some basic dentistry as well? I'm not asking for an ER doc or an oncologist to be able to apply a crown or implant a false tooth, but it would be nice for a doc to be able to identify basic problems.

CSB: I was in miserable pain Saturday morning, so after five hours of abject shiattiness in my mouth I went to my local ER. Doctor comes in (he was playing solitaire on his tablet when I walked in), looks inside my mouth, and says he doesn't see anything wrong other than a shattered wisdom tooth which I knew about as it was. So he prescribes antibiotics "just in case" and pain pills (I had been out of vicodin anyway, so...thanks doc!)

Am I grateful the antibiotics fixed what was semi-clearly an infection? Of course! But it might have been nice if the guy had had some basic dental knowledge instead of just taking a wild-ass guess.
 
2014-07-30 04:34:09 AM  
When did the English start caring about teeth?

/I like my hanging fruit low.
 
2014-07-30 04:35:37 AM  

bekovich: There have been a few threads lately about people saying "we deserve free stuff as our child has cancer!".
Not belittling such an Awfull trade by for these poor kids, but cancer kills lots of people, and that's an equal tradegy to the families of those people. But they rarely demand free stuff.


First off, what is a "tradegy?" Is it like a tragedy, but mixed up?

Second: I've seen a lot of sick kids in several different conditions. I've been a sick kid myself. I've never see anyone demand free stuff just because of a condition, but I've seen a few people who think they deserve extra sympathy because their kid is worse than the one in the next room.

I'm hugely grateful that even my incredibly backwards Tate of Louisiana could offer free care when I needed it. No way would I be as relatively healthy as am I if that hadn't been the case.
 
2014-07-30 04:37:09 AM  

Mr. Ekshun: When did the English start caring about teeth?

/I like my hanging fruit low.


Anything to shiat on the stepchild. We don't even have  surveillance cameras every 5 feet on the street! And teenagers can buy butter knives. also, we're allowed to defend ourselves! Shock! Cavemen, we are.
 
2014-07-30 04:39:27 AM  
Can we just lynch all the insurers in this country already?
 
2014-07-30 04:40:30 AM  

robohobo: Mr. Ekshun: When did the English start caring about teeth?

/I like my hanging fruit low.

Anything to shiat on the stepchild. We don't even have  surveillance cameras every 5 feet on the street! And teenagers can buy butter knives. also, we're allowed to defend ourselves! Shock! Cavemen, we are.


Atf least three of you know your way around a car. (That fourth guy won't even take his helmet off, so I'm convinced he's an alien.) And one of the three even takes care of his teeth! Or...he artificially whitens them.

Now go about tugging your forelocks at the squire in your twee little vans.

/This joke brought to you by a fan of a motoring programme
//Stop that
///You know damned well which one
////And it ain't Fifth Gear
 
2014-07-30 04:41:55 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Can we just lynch all the insurers in this country already?


Even the black ones?

Also, how do you expect to pay the doctors who spent anywhere from 12-20 years in school?  Or should they just be free?
 
2014-07-30 04:45:01 AM  
 
2014-07-30 04:47:15 AM  

robohobo: insertsnarkyusername: Can we just lynch all the insurers in this country already?

Even the black ones?

Also, how do you expect to pay the doctors who spent anywhere from 12-20 years in school?  Or should they just be free?


I would not go to a physician that went to school that long, because that's a lot of failed classes
 
2014-07-30 04:52:29 AM  
I thought the free health care overseas was wonderful and magical...
 
2014-07-30 04:55:24 AM  

cretinbob: robohobo: insertsnarkyusername: Can we just lynch all the insurers in this country already?

Even the black ones?

Also, how do you expect to pay the doctors who spent anywhere from 12-20 years in school?  Or should they just be free?

I would not go to a physician that went to school that long, because that's a lot of failed classes


Um, do you know how long brain surgeons spend in school? I'm not talking some random GP at the bottom of his class. Specialists are in school for quite awhile.
 
2014-07-30 04:55:30 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


It's very easy, really. Tooth decay is a given. You might as well set up a special savings account for it, because any insurance will cost just as much.
 
2014-07-30 04:55:30 AM  

mdin2k: I thought the free health care overseas was wonderful and magical...


I must have missed the reports where they moved the state of California to another country with "socialist" healthcare.

/How does it feel to be the biggest dumbass in the thread so far?
 
2014-07-30 04:56:11 AM  

maram500: First off, what is a "tradegy?" Is it like a tragedy, but mixed up?


It's a traditional strategic tragedy. Like using your child's sickness to ask for free stuff.

/sorry, i had to
//it was right there
 
2014-07-30 05:08:13 AM  
And in the rest of the first world, this kid wouldn't have had to resort to charity to get teeth!

Farking Republicans.
 
2014-07-30 05:25:18 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


It's because it doesn't. You pay for Medical, you pay for Dental, and you pay for Optical, all separately.
 
2014-07-30 05:31:47 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


Because that shiat is expensive and will put a 0.00000000000003% dent in our profits. That's why.
 
2014-07-30 05:35:00 AM  
$11,000 for dentures?  WTF does he need, his jaws reconstructed or something?  No, did not read the entire article.
 
2014-07-30 05:44:16 AM  
IIRC, major medical insurance was the idea of a hospital administrator back during the Great Depression.  At that time, bad eyes meant you were either wearing thick glasses or had a cane.  Bad teeth were just yanked out.  Since neither case required a hospital, why would major medical cover it?  The closest analogy I've heard is car insurance covers accidents, but not preventive maintenance, and teeth and eyes are up to the owner of said teeth and eyes to care for properly, so if you get cancer or gum disease, sucks to be you.  Doesn't matter that science and medicine have advanced, we gotta keep insurance exactly as it was invented, just like we still drive Model T Fords.
 
2014-07-30 05:46:59 AM  

mdin2k: I thought the free health care overseas was wonderful and magical...


No you didn't.
F**k off, kid.
 
2014-07-30 05:57:38 AM  

mdin2k: I thought the free health care overseas was wonderful and magical...


It may well be, but this kid is from California so he'll never know.
 
2014-07-30 05:59:22 AM  

bekovich: There have been a few threads lately about people saying "we deserve free stuff as our child has cancer!".
Not belittling such an Awfull trade by for these poor kids, but cancer kills lots of people, and that's an equal tradegy to the families of those people. But they rarely demand free stuff.


So a kid that is 5 years old and dying of cancer is equal in your mind to a 80 year old dying of lung cancer from smoking his entire life?  Can't you see the difference?  One person lived a life the other is being cut short before they could experience even 1% of what the world has to offer.
 
2014-07-30 06:02:13 AM  
Another reason health insurance should be outlawed.
 
2014-07-30 06:03:36 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


It's because basically everyone needs dental and optical, often at regular intervals and it's expensive.

/In case no one noticed, insurance companies are in the business of making money, not providing access to quality healthcare.
 
2014-07-30 06:18:06 AM  

sjcousins: TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.

It's because basically everyone needs dental and optical, often at regular intervals and it's expensive.

/In case no one noticed, insurance companies are in the business of making money, not providing access to quality healthcare.


Dental and vision is very cheap.  My dentist has a plan for people that don't have insurance and it's like $100 a year for 2 cleaning and checkups per year.  Insurances cover fillings because that's fairly cheap also, almost all dental coverage pays next to nothing for bridges/crowns and the like.

Vision is cheap also it's just places like LensCrafters and everyone else needs a way to make money so they mark up lenses and frames by ungodly amounts.
 
2014-07-30 06:32:00 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.


because ...

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.

Because fark you, that's why.


oh, nevermind, it's been covered.

Our insurance setup in this country is a cluster fark.
 
2014-07-30 06:35:21 AM  

TNel: sjcousins: TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.

It's because basically everyone needs dental and optical, often at regular intervals and it's expensive.

/In case no one noticed, insurance companies are in the business of making money, not providing access to quality healthcare.

Dental and vision is very cheap.  My dentist has a plan for people that don't have insurance and it's like $100 a year for 2 cleaning and checkups per year.  Insurances cover fillings because that's fairly cheap also, almost all dental coverage pays next to nothing for bridges/crowns and the like.

Vision is cheap also it's just places like LensCrafters and everyone else needs a way to make money so they mark up lenses and frames by ungodly amounts.


You don't even have dental insurance, do you? Or maybe have never used it. Unless you have super expensive dental, from a large carrier, it's next to junk. Sure you get a negotiated rate for the dental work but most plans pay 50% for major dental (crowns, bridges, etc) with a $1500 per year MAX.

So, brush your teeth, and don't get into any accidents or fights that may require you have multiple procedures done in the same plan-year.
 
2014-07-30 06:39:57 AM  
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2014-07-30 06:44:33 AM  

SDRR: You don't even have dental insurance, do you? Or maybe have never used it. Unless you have super expensive dental, from a large carrier, it's next to junk. Sure you get a negotiated rate for the dental work but most plans pay 50% for major dental (crowns, bridges, etc) with a $1500 per year MAX.

So, brush your teeth, and don't get into any accidents or fights that may require you have multiple procedures done in the same plan-year.


I go every 6 months and it's free, I've had 1 filing with the new dentist and it cost me nothing.  He also removed an old filling that was silver and put in the color match material and it cost me nothing.  Had 2 wisdom teeth pulled out and cost nothing..... but according to you my dental is junk for some reason.  Hell I only pay $1 a year for dental/vision added to my insurance and that's for family coverage.  The plan pays 20% I believe for major dental but very few people ever get into that situation.
 
2014-07-30 06:46:09 AM  

JonnyBGoode: Thanks, Obama!


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2014-07-30 06:49:37 AM  

bekovich: There have been a few threads lately about people saying "we deserve free stuff as our child has cancer!".
Not belittling such an Awfull trade by for these poor kids, but cancer kills lots of people, and that's an equal tradegy to the families of those people. But they rarely demand free stuff.


So edgy there, Ayn. So edgy.
 
2014-07-30 06:52:45 AM  

chrylis:


Nice.
 
2014-07-30 06:53:29 AM  

Need_MindBleach: And in the rest of the first world, this kid wouldn't have had to resort to charity to get teeth!

Farking Republicans.


Just remember that in November, when drooling imbeciles will vote to put even more of them into power. The gop politicians are just the symptom, but it's the right wing voters out there who really deserve to have their asses kicked.
 
2014-07-30 06:56:16 AM  
But Obama will bring us death panels.
 
2014-07-30 06:58:42 AM  
TNel:

Vision is cheap

Um, no. They're not. They are very, very much not cheap.

also it's just places like LensCrafters and everyone else needs a way to make money so they mark up lenses and frames by ungodly amounts.

Watch this video and if you do not want to declare war on Italy afterwards (or at least on smug bald CEOs), then you are a stone-hearted monster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUiWOGv8ec

PS: zennioptical.com is your friend.
 
2014-07-30 07:03:05 AM  

cherryl taggart: IIRC, major medical insurance was the idea of a hospital administrator back during the Great Depression.  At that time, bad eyes meant you were either wearing thick glasses or had a cane.  Bad teeth were just yanked out.  Since neither case required a hospital, why would major medical cover it?  The closest analogy I've heard is car insurance covers accidents, but not preventive maintenance, and teeth and eyes are up to the owner of said teeth and eyes to care for properly, so if you get cancer or gum disease, sucks to be you.  Doesn't matter that science and medicine have advanced, we gotta keep insurance exactly as it was invented, just like we still drive Model T Fords.


You're in a family of health insurance lobbyists, aren't you?
 
2014-07-30 07:09:46 AM  

bekovich: There have been a few threads lately about people saying "we deserve free stuff as our child has cancer!".
Not belittling such an Awfull trade by for these poor kids, but cancer kills lots of people, and that's an equal tradegy to the families of those people. But they rarely demand free stuff.


Okay, I'll bite...

His family's insurance company covered part of the procedure but will not cover his dentures because they say it's not a medical issue

They PAID for the insurance, this is 100% the insurance company's fault.  Don't try and pretend otherwise, whether you're trolling or not.
 
2014-07-30 07:16:13 AM  

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: For whatever reason dental and optical care don't seem to fall under traditional insurance.  I don't know why it is, or think of any reason it should remain that way, but such is life.

Because fark you, that's why.


This sums up just about everything, everywhere.
 
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